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Tech Bros Bought Sex Trafficking Victims Using Amazon and Microsoft Work Emails (newsweek.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Newsweek's National Politics Correspondent reports on "a horny nest of prostitution 'hobbyists' at tech giants Microsoft, Amazon and other firms in Seattle," citing "hundreds" of emails "fired off by employees at major tech companies hoping to hook up with trafficked Asian women" between 2014 and 2016, "67 sent from Microsoft, 63 sent from Amazon email accounts and dozens more sent from some of Seattle's premier tech companies and others based elsewhere but with offices in Seattle, including T-Mobile and Oracle, as well as many local, smaller tech firms." Many of the emails came from a sting operation against online prostitution review boards, and were obtained through a public records request to the King County Prosecutor's Office.

"They were on their work accounts because Seattle pimps routinely asked first-time sex-buyers to prove they were not cops by sending an employee email or badge," reports Newsweek, criticizing "the widespread and often nonchalant attitude toward buying sex from trafficked women, a process made shockingly more efficient by internet technology... A study commissioned by the Department of Justice found that Seattle has the fastest-growing sex industry in the United States, more than doubling in size between 2005 and 2012. That boom correlates neatly with the boom of the tech sector there... Some of these men spent $30,000 to $50,000 a year, according to authorities." A lawyer for some of the men argues that Seattle's tech giants aren't conducting any training to increase employees' compassion for trafficked women in brothels. The director of research for a national anti-trafficking group cites the time Uber analyzed ride-sharing data and reported a correlation between high-crime neighborhoods and frequent Uber trips -- including people paying for prostitutes. "They made a map using their ride-share data, like it was a funny thing they could do with their data. It was done so flippantly."

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  1. Legalize prostitution by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Informative
    Legalize prostitution: If you prohibit something that has demand, illegal/black markets *will* be created. It would also be easier to help the women who want to quit and don’t manage on their own. Health controls could be done, which benefits both clients and sellers.

    Not to mention, you could tax it. Just make it a job like an artist or a performer.

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    1. Re:Legalize prostitution by jawtheshark · · Score: 4, Informative
      Children conscent to child pornography? The victim of the murder did conscent?

      Prostitution can be done between two conscenting individuals/adults. Selling sex between two conscenting individuals hurts nobody. Contrary to your two “counterexamples”.

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    2. Re: Legalize prostitution by TuballoyThunder · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I do not think legalizing prostitution will stop sex trafficking. Even in Amsterdam, which has legal prostitution, still has sex trafficking problems (one example https://nltimes.nl/2017/05/18/...).

    3. Re:Legalize prostitution by paiute · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a fine line between consent and coercion. You have no idea what is pressing against the other person's head who is willing to "consent" to sex with you.

      You just summed up decades if not centuries of family pressure on daughters to 'make a good match'.

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    4. Re: Legalize prostitution by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What if it only stops half of it?

    5. Re:Legalize prostitution by jawtheshark · · Score: 4, Informative

      According to the law, there is no fine line. The person got threatened? Not consensual. The point is: if you have a legal market for a certain service, the illegal markets become less profitable.

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    6. Re: Legalize prostitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's almost like you're both idiots who think in black and white!

    7. Re:Legalize prostitution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You have no idea what is pressing against the other person's head who is willing to "consent" to sex with you.

      You also have no idea what is pressing against the other person's head who is willing to "consent" to a soul-destroying office job, yet no one seems to bat an eye there. Perhaps instead of trying to second-guess everyone's reasons for doing what they do, we could go after the people who are threatening harm if they don't do the thing?

    8. Re:Legalize prostitution by gweihir · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And in any sane country, that has happened a long time ago. It is also patently false to think that most women in prostitution are forced into it. Or at least not more forced than anybody that has to work for a living. They just look at their options and decide that it is this one they like best. In countries were prostitution is legal or decriminalized, it is extremely rare to find anybody forced into prostitution, and it is usually one of the first few customers (often the very first one) that calls the police and gets the victim freed. Of course that only works if said customer does not need to fear prosecution....

      With the thoroughly insane idea of making prostitution illegal in the US, the prohibitionists get to design the narrative, and they are shamelessly lying to promote their evil agenda. Suddenly, everybody selling sex is "trafficked", when that is very far from the truth indeed. And suddenly there are incredible masses of underage prostitutes, when in actual reality they are very rare. The "average age entering the sex trade" becomes 13, when in actual reality it is more like 22. And do not forget that prostitution being illegal correlates with significantly higher rates of rape. This evil has to stop.

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    9. Re:Legalize prostitution by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

      In countries were prostitution is legal or decriminalized, it is extremely rare to find anybody forced into prostitution

      The data doesn't seem to support that assertation.

      The studyâ(TM)s findings include:

      • Countries with legalized prostitution are associated with higher human trafficking inflows than countries where prostitution is prohibited. The scale effect of legalizing prostitution, i.e. expansion of the market, outweighs the substitution effect, where legal sex workers are favored over illegal workers. On average, countries with legalized prostitution report a greater incidence of human trafficking inflows.
      • The effect of legal prostitution on human trafficking inflows is stronger in high-income countries than middle-income countries. Because trafficking for the purpose of sexual exploitation requires that clients in a potential destination country have sufficient purchasing power, domestic supply acts as a constraint.
      • Criminalization of prostitution in Sweden resulted in the shrinking of the prostitution market and the decline of human trafficking inflows. Cross-country comparisons of Sweden with Denmark (where prostitution is decriminalized) and Germany (expanded legalization of prostitution) are consistent with the quantitative analysis, showing that trafficking inflows decreased with criminalization and increased with legalization.
      • The type of legalization of prostitution does not matter â" it only matters whether prostitution is legal or not. Whether third-party involvement (persons who facilitate the prostitution businesses, i.e, âoepimpsâ) is allowed or not does not have an effect on human trafficking inflows into a country. Legalization of prostitution itself is more important in explaining human trafficking than the type of legalization.
      • Democracies have a higher probability of increased human-trafficking inflows than non-democratic countries. There is a 13.4% higher probability of receiving higher inflows in a democratic country than otherwise.
  2. Sex trafficking is a supply and demand problem. by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not that there aren't people who want to work in the sex industry - there absolutely are. However, as studies repeatedly bear out, the number who want to is far below the demand; most people who work in the sex industry don't want to be there, and abusive trafficking is an inevitable consequence of this situation.

    Making prostitution symmetrically illegal doesn't solve the problem. By making it illegal and aggressively policing it, yes, you cut down on part of the demand. But you also cut down on the supply. And since the ratio of clients to sex workers is far greater than 1, it's much easier to crack down on the "supply" side of the equation, thus increasing the trafficking motive. On the other hand, making it fully legal causes a boom in demand (and especially sex tourism), which usually is associated with a trafficking boom.

    I'm personally a fan of the Nordic system: purchasing sex is illegal, as is pimping, but selling sex is perfectly illegal. After all, if your goal is to stamp out trafficking and protect abused women, why would you throw them in jail? The Nordic system cuts demand without cutting supply, thus heavily damaging the trafficking motive; it's been very successful. There are some things you have to be careful about, of course - for example, in the first version of the Swedish laws they had problems with landlords kicking prostitutes out, out of fear that they'd get caught up in anti-pimping / anti-brothel laws (the laws were later amended to address this). But in general it's been shown to work well. It also makes it so that prostitutes are unafraid of having to deal with the police, which means better crime reporting and an all-around better environment for them.

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    1. Re:Sex trafficking is a supply and demand problem. by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

      I don't know every country which has it, but I can tell you that it's that way here in Iceland, too. And Finland. Denmark is the only Nordic which doesn't use it.

      After Sweden introduced their ban on purchasing sex, violence against sex workers reportedly went up

      This is a lie based around this report. The short of it: Since the law passed, the following reports of changes have occurred:

      Verbal abuse: +17%
      Hair pulling: +167% (but still only a third of those surveyed reported any hair pulling)
      Being struck with a fist: -38%
      Rape: -48%.

      Because when you consider them all together and equal, it's a net increase of 7% (52% to 59%), that's "violence is up". But most of those cases are verbal abuse. The most extreme examples, such as rape, went down by half.

      Street prostitution decreased by 50% and indoor prostitution by 16% since the law was passed. The rate of prostitutes seeking help from the police decreased by 41%, but rather than this being some sort of "afraid of the police" situation (they're not legally liable for anything), rates of seeking help from ProSentret decreased by 54% - an even greater amount. The simple fact is, severe violence dramatically decreased since the Nordic Model was adopted.

      The estimates on the number of prostitutes operating in Sweden dropped significantly after the law was passed, and are 1/10th the number as in (lower population) Denmark. A study by Durex found that Sweden had the lowest percentage of the population (among 34 countries surveyed) of men paying for sex, at 3%. But as for:

      as did the number of "johns" going to Denmark for sex.

      Obviously, just on the face of this, this is stupid. The concept that you'll get the same rate of people visiting prostitutes when they can get it where they live vs. where they have to drive for hours (Stockholm to Copenhagen = 10 hours round trip) and pay ~$50 each way to cross the bridge (let alone the super-expensive Nordic gas prices) is nonsense. Furthermore, the rate of people going to Denmark to buy prostitutes has not increased. A large majority of the population in countries with the Nordic model strongly support it, not just "politicians". Only 25% of Swedish men and 7% of Swedish women support repealing it.

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  3. Trafficking now interchangeable with prostitution by George_Ou · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's a story about prosecutors throwing people in jail for talking about prostitution by intimidating them with trumped up charges to get them to plea. Many got fired from their jobs. Others lost their friends and family and one man committed suicide. It's like how some cities resort to public shaming Johns which is such a horrific practice that even 18th century America stopped doing it. http://reason.com/archives/201...

    All of these anti-trafficking organizations use Superbowl TV commercials of women and/or child being sold as slaves (which is extremely rare) but if you read what their true goal is, they want to stop all prostitution. They even consider 100% voluntary prostitution as trafficking. Amnesty International has the right solution which is to legalize prostitution so that women aren't forced into the underground where they are victimized by their Pimps and by the Police.

  4. Re:Trafficking now interchangeable with prostituti by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    On one those 'anti-trafficking' organisations, the National Center on Sexual Exploitation* (better know by their old name of Morality in Media, they rebranded because they were a laughing stock) features a 'dirty dozen' list every year of the twelve organisations they consider most destructive to sexual morality. Amnesty International is on the last two lists because they support decriminalisation of prostitution.

    They also list the American Library Association (for opposing government-mandated filtering), Amazon (for selling pornography), youtube, Comcast (for not blocking pornography by default) and HBO (for making Game of Thones, with "with copious amounts of gratuitous nudity, sex, and sexual violence.").

    There's a lesson to be learned here: Sometimes organisations try to veil their real goals. The National Center on Sexual Exploitation sounds like an organisation dedicated to protecting women, superficially, and their front page supports this interpretation - boldly claiming "NCOSE has a proven track record of changing corporate and government policies that previously facilitated sexual exploitation." But dig a little deeper and you find that their definition of 'exploitation' includes not only trafficking, but consentual prostitution and even the very absolute softest titillation of pornography - they have called upon Steam to ban Mass Effect: Andromeda as too racy. Dig a bit deeper still and you find they have campaigned for schools to block gay rights websites for 'promoting the homosexual lifestyle.'

    *Abbreviated NCOSE, by their own choice. Probably to avoid confusion with the NCSE, the National Center for Science Education.

  5. Re:All Prostitution is now 'sex trafficking' by Halo1 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Every notice how you never or rarely heard of sex trafficking before yet starting a few years ago

    Not really, even if you limit yourself to the US and "modern day history".

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