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Want to Be Happy? Think Like an Old Person (nytimes.com)

The New York Times: Older people report higher levels of contentment or well-being than teenagers and young adults. The six elders put faces on this statistic. If they were not always gleeful, they were resilient and not paralysed by the challenges that came their way. All had known loss and survived. None went to a job he did not like, coveted stuff she could not afford, brooded over a slight on the subway or lost sleep over events in the distant future. They set realistic goals. Only one said he was afraid to die. Gerontologists call this the paradox of old age: that as people's minds and bodies decline, instead of feeling worse about their lives, they feel better (Editor's note: the link may be paywalled; alternative source). In memory tests, they recall positive images better than negative; under functional magnetic resonance imaging, their brains respond more mildly to stressful images than the brains of younger people. John Sorensen, who liked to talk, brought cheer to every conversation, even those about wanting to die. Helen Moses and Ping Wong knew exactly what they wanted: for Ms Moses, it was her daughter and Mr Zeimer; for Ms Wong, it was mah-jongg and the camaraderie it entailed, even if the other players spoke a different dialect or followed the rules of a different home region. Mr Jones, Ms Willig and Mr Mekas all spent their energy on the things they could still do that brought them satisfaction, not on what they had lost to age.

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  1. Get off my lawn!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wow. I do feel better!

  2. I can vouch for this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm in my late 30's but I don't own a smartphone, don't partake of social media, don't have a dozen credit cards, don't have tens of thousands of dollars in college loan debt, don't buy into all the latest electronics fads, don't live beyond my means, don't act like I'm married to my job, don't have countless hollow relationships with people I don't care about, et cetera.

    I never thought about it before, but I'm way less stressed than most people my age.

    P.S. It helps that I also don't have kids or a significant other. And no plans to have either of course of my life. So add freedom to the list.

    1. Re:I can vouch for this. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Early 70s here. I have a smartphone, high-end tablet and large desktop. All debts are paid. I buy into whatever interests me the most, whether or not they interest anyone else. I use social media to keep up with what other people are thinking about a variety of topics, such as this one right here. I live in a small rural town and have more friends than I ever had time for when I was working corporate consulting. I still run my residential IT service business as a sideline, helping my fellow chrono-Americans keep up with the new century. And yes, I'm still handling IT for my mother, who at age 95 runs a business of her own with her MacBook Pro.

      I have always been an optimist, but what seems different right now is a strong sense of living in the future that comes from contrasting life as we live it now with life as it was lived when I was a child. In those days China and India were famous purely for starvation and everyone assumed, whatever their politics, that Communism and the Cold War would be around forever. Conservatives back then admired Muslim societies because of their rigorous punishment of criminals, applauding whenever the Saudis cut off some thief's hands. Meanwhile liberals, and I swear I'm not making anything up, were in favor of sex, with both their men and their women believing that we should have more of it. In those days the Republican Party had principles, such as balanced budgets, and the Democrats had vision. I find it difficult to explain to young people how public thought has changed since then.

    2. Re:I can vouch for this. by lucasnate1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I am 32 and I remember how liberals were pro sex. When i try to explain it to younger people they think i am making it up.

    3. Re:I can vouch for this. by lucasnate1 · · Score: 2

      Some of the left (who used to be called Liberal) in my country (Israel) is now working with religious groups to increase gender segregation, supposedly in order to fight against sexual harassment. In the past, leftist/queer parties used to be place where there was lots of sexual freedom. Here in Israel, right now, right wingers are somehow more sexually liberal than leftists.

      I got the impression that something similar is happening in the US too.

  3. I mastered that in my 30s by Baron_Yam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Let me tell you, not stressing about things you can't control while letting yourself stress a bit about the stuff you can control, and prioritizing positive social interaction over negative... that's about the best first choice for improving your life.

    There's tons of other stuff, but you start there. Remember you're a social primate with a finite lifespan, so relax as much as you can and enjoy your time.

    1. Re:I mastered that in my 30s by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 4, Insightful
      God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,

      Courage to change the things I can,

      And wisdom to know the difference.

    2. Re:I mastered that in my 30s by eddeye · · Score: 4, Funny

      God, give me coffee to change the things I can
      And wine to accept the things I can not.

      There, FTFY.

      --
      Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.
  4. Don't have to go Amish to be happy by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm in my 40's, generally really happy, and...

    I don't own a smartphone,

    I do! But I decide when I want to interact with it. I treat it as a tool for my benefit.

    don't partake of social media

    I do! But again I use it mostly as a tool to help others, and don't let it define what I do or listen to demands that I feed it. Like any petulant child you must raise social media right.

    don't have a dozen credit cards

    I do! Well, almost. But I carry balances on NONE. Because again, I control the tool, I don't let the tool control me. And along the way I've gotten lots of nice benefits like flights where I flew business for very little cash out, on flights I would have been flying coach otherwise.

    don't have tens of thousands of dollars in college loan debt

    Well I'll mostly agree with you on that one, except that it can be reasonable to incur that kind of debt for a handful of jobs - software development among them. Now hundreds of thousands in debt, there are very few jobs that warrant that debt burden.

    don't buy into all the latest electronics fads

    I do! But not ALL of them. There's nothing wrong with owning some cool electronics as long as you stay well within your income (and savings).

    don't act like I'm married to my job, don't have countless hollow relationships with people I don't care about,

    Kind of the same thing, in the. But I think there can be value in such relationships, and sometimes you find things that are hollow really are not. Being married to your job when you are younger for a time, can have real value in advancement of career that will benefit you the rest of your life.

    P.S. It helps that I also don't have kids or a significant other. And no plans to have either of course of my life. So add freedom to the list.

    I think for a lot of people it does not help to have no SO. Even though I personally am with you on kids I think there are a lot of people who are a lot happier with kids than without. All of that depends on the person... also with an SO in your life there can still be a lot of freedom (as an individual), in addition to having someone to share the results of that freedom with.

    don't live beyond my means

    That's the thing. None of the items you posted really matter besides this one, which is why I moved it to the last item. Pretty much anything you do will be OK if you don't end up placing a huge burden on yourself doing so, and in todays modern age debt is a very huge burden because of the legal overhang above you. It's also true that if you feel the same way and you want an SO you had better make sure you are on the same page about money and debt, because it removes a huge point of stress between two people.

    Basically Spock was right - live long and prosper. But you can't prosper spending more than you take in.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
  5. The advice is sound, but .... by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It hasn't really been my experience that the elderly really are that content with their lives? I look at people like my wife's mom, who currently lives with us. Ever since she lost enough eyesight and motor skills to be dangerous behind the wheel and had her drivers' license taken away, she doesn't want to venture outside anymore. She's still old-fashioned enough in her ways so if I, as the "man of the house", suggest we all go out for dinner or to a store, she'll agree and go along with us. But otherwise, she always chooses not to. Her day consists of sleeping a lot and watching a lot of game shows on television, plus a little talking on her phone to any of her relatives or friends she can reach.

    I experienced the same thing with my grandfather on my mom's side of the family. As soon as he had some health problems, he went into a depression and funk that he never really got back out of.

    I do know exceptions to this rule ... older folks who just seem overly positive and oblivious to things that would otherwise bring them down. But I view that as more of a defense mechanism than a true state of contentment and peace? They seem a little "out of touch" to people who observe them for long enough.

    IMO, the bigger question is, "Are you actually DOING things that you like doing, or things that give a sense of accomplishment for completing?" Social media isn't really a bad thing, in and of itself, and neither are smartphones. But the danger is that you can get sucked into doing a lot of living vicariously through others instead of doing things for yourself. Keeping up with all of the "news" can be addictive and burn a lot of free time that you could have invested in actually doing some home improvement project, fixing up your car, or any number of other activities.

    1. Re:The advice is sound, but .... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I do know exceptions to this rule ... older folks who just seem overly positive and oblivious to things that would otherwise bring them down. But I view that as more of a defense mechanism than a true state of contentment and peace? They seem a little "out of touch" to people who observe them for long enough.

      Well your contentment is reality vs expectation, not reality vs past performance. I find a lot of old people expected they'd suffer a decline in vision, hearing, motor skills etc. and even though they're obviously in worse shape than ten years ago they've just accepted that as natural. Hell, I'm not even 40 yet but I realize I'm not 20 anymore and I expect being 60 or 80 will be considerably worse. If you're going to be miserable just because your body is aging and eventually can't do everything you used to then you're pretty much doomed to be miserable. If I tripped and fell ending up in a wheelchair in a nursing home tomorrow it would be utterly terrible. If I'm in a wheelchair in a nursing home when I'm 90... that's being 90. There's no point in having unrealistic expectations about being 20 forever.

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      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    2. Re:The advice is sound, but .... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 2

      When I was 20, I couldn't imagine declining. I thought if I couldn't run in 102 degree summer heat, that was just one step above being in a wheelchair. About 4 decades later, I'm certainly not where I used to be physically. I don't run much at any temp, and I don't even walk at extreme temps, and in good weather I don't walk nearly as fast or long as I used to. But it doesn't really bother me much. I'm probably happier than I've ever been, though I'll still thump you with my cane if you annoy me.

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      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
  6. 10 ways to think like an, "Old Person" by sycodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember these things.

    1. No one gives a shit what you think.
    2. No one gives a shit how you feel.
    3. You aren't as smart is you think you are. If you are, keep your fucking mouth shut about it.
    4. Don't bother trying to save the World. The World doesn't give a fuck about you or your efforts.
    5. Take responsibility for the dumb fuck things you've done and don't do them again.
    6. Don't treat people like shit.
    7. Remember it's not about you.
    8. It's none of you fucking business.
    9. Don't leave a mess
    10. Don't Whine.

    --
    When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
    1. Re:10 ways to think like an, "Old Person" by mnemotronic · · Score: 2, Funny

      Remember these things.

      Or these alternatives

      1. No one gives a shit what you think.

      1. We do care about what you think but we know we can't change your mind because you're probably just as old, stubborn and crotchety as we are.

      2. No one gives a shit how you feel.

      2. We actually do care about what you feel. Been there. Felt that. And yes it's no fun. Let's get together over coffee some time and talk about it.

      3. You aren't as smart is you think you are. If you are, keep your fucking mouth shut about it.

      3. Maybe you know more about that than I do, but I'd rather talk about my hip replacement.

      4. Don't bother trying to save the World. The World doesn't give a fuck about you or your efforts.

      4. We tried to save the world and gosh darnit, just ended up screwing it up more. Good thing the youngsters have so much energy and attitude. Maybe they can straighten out the mess we made. Now it they'd only get off their phones and stop swatting each other.

      5. Take responsibility for the dumb fuck things you've done and don't do them again.

      5. Take responsibility. Clean up the wreckage of the past. Try not to do the same stuff again, but frankly I'm too old to be doing protest marches and getting run down.

      6. Don't treat people like shit.

      6. Some folks don't deserve the treatment they get; others don't get the treatment they deserve. Ain't our job to fix that. Wanna play Scrabble until "Wheel" comes on?

      7. Remember it's not about you.

      7. Have I told you about my hip replacement? I'll make this short ....

      8. It's none of you fucking business.

      8. From what you've told me, sounds like something I did back in the 60s. I can see you don't want to talk about it right now.

      9. Don't leave a mess

      9. I made a mess. Sorry. I wish I could help clean it up but my hip is locked up.

      10. Don't Whine.

      10. I apologize for all the moaning. Kids don't have an appreciation of just how painful cancer and arthritis is. I hope they or their loved ones never have to learn that lesson.

      --
      The Russians have won. They have made the world a cesspool of distrust, greed, fear and hate.
    2. Re:10 ways to think like an, "Old Person" by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      So, basically, don't do anything.

      Just do whatever you feel like doing. One thing I have learned as I aged, is that all the stuff I worried about when I was young turned out to not really matter very much.

      Tomorrow, I am going to sleep late, have a leisurely brunch, and then go hiking with my dog.

    3. Re: 10 ways to think like an, "Old Person" by houghi · · Score: 2

      11. Get of my lawn.

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      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
    4. Re:10 ways to think like an, "Old Person" by vtcodger · · Score: 2

      The nice thing about being old (I'll be 79 in 2 months) is that no one much expects you to do anything. Just managing to breath regularly and occasionally manage an upright posture is considered to be doing well.

      Dying. Odds favor it sooner or later. Doubt I'll beat them.

      Life after death? I certainly hope not. Why would I want to spend eternity associating with people who think either Donald J Trump or Hillary R. Clinton are qualified to vote, much less run a country? (Recommended reading Captain Stormfields Visit To Heaven by Mark Twain -- http://www.pagebypagebooks.com... )Captain_Stormfields_Visit_to_Heaven/)

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      You can't see ANYTHING from a car, You've got to get out of the goddamned contraption and walk...Edward Abbey
    5. Re:10 ways to think like an, "Old Person" by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      That's valid if you are satisfied with being mediocre.

      You are going to end up mediocre whether you worry about it or not.

      When you are older, you will realize this.

  7. Damn hormones! by Evtim · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Few year ago I read an article about how different abilities, of the mind and the body peak at different ages. The question was "is there an ideal age". Some things I knew (e.g. endurance peaks about 40).

    The most interesting graph was the last one where happiness and sexual desire/ability were plotted versus age. Happiness is the lowest around 40 (stands to reason - you begin to reevaluate your life and will always find many things to regret). Around 60 you are as happy as you were around 20. And then happiness goes up to infinity, cut short only by death. However, exactly at that point where you become happier than ever in your live your sexual desire/ability is gone. So there it is - sexual desire is a hassle. Or rather the behaviors, desires and frustrations that it generates.

    Anecdote: one of my best friends told me once " I can't wait until the moment I won't be interested in women. What a bloody distraction, like a constant buzz in your head and body!" While I frankly cannot imagine what it is to live without craving women I begin to think it might not be that bad...

  8. correction by Evtim · · Score: 2

    Found the article:

    http://www.bbc.com/future/stor...

    I remembered wrong - there is a decline in happiness around 70-80 yrs and your sexual desire lingers on for longer than I though. Still it is interesting....

  9. Re:Oh for !$#@s sake by anyaristow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is the opposite of my experience. Until recently, every modern US generation had it better than their parents, and knew it. It's only been this century that the realization has sunk in that the standard of living is no longer going up, when things like healthcare, job opportunities, housing costs and debt are considered. We have cheap toys and internet. Everything else is starting to suck.

  10. This sounds like (literal) survivorship bias. by AtariEric · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Those who did not succeed with those challenges probably died.

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    Don't trust any concentration of power.
  11. Yeesh by Quirkz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm going to suggest a lot of this is backwards. A young person learns to think like an old person by actually living and getting there. In the meantime, a lot of other stuff happens.

    1. Plans and dreams and wants disappear, because you either successfully get them, or you learn after decades that you're not going to get them, and give up. This includes the belief that you can still do better than you've already done. Letting go of that lets off a lot of pressure.

    2. You have more actual accomplishments and memories to fall back on as you age. These don't exist when you're young.

    3. Don't have a job they don't like? How many of them are retired? That's the "job" I want most. Of course I'd be happier doing that. Or, by the time I'm old enough, unless I'm in really dire straits, whatever else I'm doing is probably more out of a sense of fun than for the money.

    4. Decreasing sex drive. It may sound sad to the young, but I bed it a ton of ways it's a relief (or at least removes a source of dissatisfaction) from those who are older.

    5. Do other appetites decrease? I'm not sure. Certainly the range of possible activities does decrease as you get older. You've learned stuff you don't like, or have ruled out because it's dangerous or no longer interesting. When I was 20, I stayed up late nights wishing I had the money to try skydiving, and being sad that I didn't. At 40, I'm already past the temptation.

    There's probably more, but that's what came to mind just reading the summary.

  12. Simple filtering by argStyopa · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think it's simply learned filtering.
    There are hundreds of things to get upset about every single day, from "is my child ever going to pick up their toys?" to "that guy cut me off in traffic" to "I hate our president"...the older people get, they start to likely recognize the secret: not much of that shit really matters. Theresa no reason to let it get to you in a way that affects your happiness.
    It's pretty Zen, actually.

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    -Styopa