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Big Tech and Democracy Need To Work Together, Microsoft Executives Say (axios.com)

From a report: It's not often that Big Tech calls for more government action. But two top Microsoft executives -- Brad Smith, president and chief legal officer, and Carol Ann Browne, director of executive communications -- write in a tech trends forecast out today. "2018 will be a year when democratic governments can either work together to safeguard electoral processes or face a future where democracy is more fragile. [T]his needs to include work to protect campaigns from hacking, address social media issues, ensure the integrity of voting results, and protect vital census processes," they wrote.

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  1. Pull up that ladder. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Big tech is well established and politically connected now and so naturally they want more regulation that donâ(TM)t add much aggregate cost to them but make it impossible or at best improbable for a âoekid in a garageâ to start something that replaces them.

    1. Re:Pull up that ladder. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Well, they did actively lobby against them, and those rules did nothing that would have prevented competition. In fact, all models that have real competition are those with even more regulation, including leasing requirements.

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    2. Re:Pull up that ladder. by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      make it impossible or at best improbable for a "kid in a garage" to start something that replaces them.

      I read someplace where Bill Gates said the thing that worries him the most is a startup in a garage developing something that will make Microsoft obsolete.

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  2. embrace, extend, extinguish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wouldn't want Microsoft, or any other software giant for that matter, near my government. As if legalized corruption in form of lobbying wouldn't be enough...

    1. Re:embrace, extend, extinguish by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      If the federal budgets that go to Microsoft were spend on FOSS development, we'd be considerably better off.

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  3. Like in Mussolini's Italy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because that worked out so well THERE....

    Seriously though, Big Tech should be as far away from Democracy as possible, but the voting masses also need to take it upon themselves to learn about the benefits and pitfalls of technology sufficiently to make an educated vote on whether they want/need more or less tech in their voting process. There are benefits and pitfalls to each option and they both require massive amounts of manpower to verify that the chain of trust for the vote talling hasn't been breached.

    1. Re:Like in Mussolini's Italy? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      You do need to remember that before he linked up with Hitler Mussolini was considered one of the good guys. And he only linked up with Hitler because nobody else was standing up against him.

      That said, he was a dictator. But he wasn't a particularly vile one before he came under the Nazi influence. His main intent was to "Make Italy great again!". If Britain or France had stood up to Hitler before the Czechoslovakia election, he would probably have been counted among the allies.

      OTOH, modern Italy would never have been born. And Mussolini did have militaristic desires. (Look up the invasion of Ethiopia.) He just wasn't very good at them.

      So when you say "Look how well that worked out before", you need to look at the larger picture than just WWII, because that wasn't inevitable. It was caused because France and England wanted German fascism to combat Russian communism...but Hitler had bigger plans.

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  4. No they absolutely do not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Take your threats elsewhere "big tech". The government (we the people) do not need to work with you for democracy. The government (we the people) will set the terms and if you don't like it then you can do business in another country.

  5. Translation by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Democratic governments need to spend their time and resources cracking open the door in closed markets for us to make more money and not pay taxes on."

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    1. Re:Translation by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      It's gonna be the small churches that protect us. Call them faith-creators. The man in the pulpit has rightfully taxed his flock, it doesn't belong to some dictator in Rome!

  6. Big tech will not protect the electoral process by fustakrakich · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Only paper ballots can facilitate that. So, if "Big Tech" can make a better crayon, go for it!

    As for majority rule hitting the brick wall due to an ignorant and antipathic majority, well, that's something that needs fixing pronto. We still haven't reached the bottom of that trench yet.

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    1. Re:Big tech will not protect the electoral process by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      As for majority rule hitting the brick wall due to an ignorant and antipathic majority, well, that's something that needs fixing pronto. We still haven't reached the bottom of that trench yet.

      Well, at least you're recognizing that the electoral college's role in 2016 was a vital one.

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    2. Re:Big tech will not protect the electoral process by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      :-) You sneaky pete, you!

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    3. Re:Big tech will not protect the electoral process by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Pay him no mind. He's just making a play on words. In vernacular it's what you call the easy *cheap shot*. He's a partisan trying to offend the non-partisan. IOW, he's trolling, and he's pretty good at it, can really draw a crowd... It's all in good fun, wouldn't be prudent, or healthy to take it any other way.

      Like you said, everybody knew and accepted the rules going in. But the democrats still have their heads way up their ass, so, more lessons lost... Quid pro quo doesn't suffer a scratch.

    4. Re:Big tech will not protect the electoral process by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      Paper ballots don't help anyone but "the people", who as you noted, don't particularly care right now. Much better for the players involved to keep the question of election security open, so you can plausibly claim fraud if it doesn't go your way. Or, maybe you even get to commit the fraud yourself - that's a perfectly logical progression once playing by the rules goes out the window. It's already been demonstrated that a huge chunk of the population would simply ignore any election shenanigans. Either they don't care, or their team won anyway, and stopping for any kind of thought or analysis would disrupt the cheer routine.

      Take a look at the solutions being offered to questions about the last election:
      (1) Ignore the issue, or divert attention to something else (boogeyman army of illegal Mexicans voting for example)
      (2) Contest the results after the fact.

      Neither of these solves the problem of election integrity. But they do create great spin opportunities. And as we know, these guys are way more practiced at cultivating an image than doing anything useful. Most everyone involved feels it would be easier for them to compete on PR than on actual reforms. And they're probably right. Real reforms cost them money from donors. PR costs them comparatively nothing. Style prevailed over substance in the 2016 election - and the same would have been true had the electoral college done their job and threw out the unqualified candidate.

  7. Facebook, Google and Microsoft... by grnbrg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    safeguarding our elections.

    That makes me feel soooooooo confident.

    1. Re:Facebook, Google and Microsoft... by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      We should always let the inmates run the asylum. What could possibly go wrong?

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  8. Governments don't run on typewriters by sjbe · · Score: 2

    I wouldn't want Microsoft, or any other software giant for that matter, near my government.

    A) They already are involved in the government (or were you under the delusion that governments still run using typewriters and mimeographs?), and B) they could hardly make it worse. Democracies require everyone to be involved to work and that includes big tech companies whether or not you like it.

    1. Re:Governments don't run on typewriters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Quit being obtuse. Purchasing and using software is not the same as having an active role in the drafting of legislation, and that is exactly what these wolves in sheep's clothing are after.

    2. Re:Governments don't run on typewriters by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Democracies require everyone to be involved to work and that includes big tech companies whether or not you like it.

      Er, no, "require everyone to be involved whether or not you like it" actually is not the sound of democracy.

  9. Who do you prefer? by sjbe · · Score: 1

    safeguarding our elections. That makes me feel soooooooo confident.

    And who exactly would you prefer be involved? The folks in Florida who gave us hanging chad? Honestly I trust those companies as much or more than I do companies like Diebold.

    I understand the hesitation against needless tech influence in elections but we can do without the knee jerk reactions.

    1. Re:Who do you prefer? by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure democracy managed just fine with paper ballots for a couple hundred years. I'd say calling out the rare problem with them is as knee-jerk as going after big tech, if not worse.

      The problem with initiatives like this from a for-profit company like Microsoft is that their number one goal is the short term enhancement of executive compensation, followed closely by fiduciary responsibility to shareholders.

      Any time an organization with those kinds of priorities calls for "working with democracies to safeguard elections" you have to wonder where the real agenda is.

      I guarantee you neither Microsoft the corporation or its executives are willing to donate hundreds of millions of dollars in equipment, software and expertise for the good of democracy. I'd imagine anything they would be willing to give away is motivated by some kind of lock-in to their platform and recurring revenue from constant updates and upgrades, tax deductions or influence peddling.

      The day Carol Ann Browne is willing to turn over millions of her own wealth to safeguard democracy as an initial pledge, I might be willing to take MS at face value. Until then, it's all bullshit designed to make MS, its executives and shareholders wealthier and more influential.

    2. Re:Who do you prefer? by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      I trust the people counting hanging chads a lot more than I trust any tech company. And I work for a tech company!

    3. Re:Who do you prefer? by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      I'd love to see some hanging chads. That way you discount the votes of individual idiots who don't know how to punch holes in paper. Or if you're concerned with them getting counted the wrong way deliberately by individual election officials, it's not hard to shuffle the boxes and/or the people.

      With digitized voting, one bad actor can affect all the votes. And you won't be able to tell. And they might not even need a plant on the inside of the election commission. Give me hanging chads any day.

  10. Democracy and ownership by Max_W · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the past I felt that I owned my OS and my programs. Nowadays, it feels like renting a patch from a feudal lord.

    I could install the OS on my computer, then on another one. Not anymore, at least not all of them.

    Democracy appeared in the Ancient Greece where people owned land of their farms. And only owners could participate in the democracy. So if Big Tech really wants a democracy let them make us owners again.

    1. Re:Democracy and ownership by erapert · · Score: 1

      Or you could practice what you preach and use Linux.

  11. False choice! by Comboman · · Score: 3, Informative

    Trump has proven that we can have both at once.

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  12. Arab Spring Revisited by tomhath · · Score: 1

    How much credit should "Big Tech" get for Arab Spring, Brexit, Trump? How about the protests going on in Iran right now? Could similar political waves happen in China or North Korea?

    Those who want to control what can go on in social media need to be very careful what they wish for; fake news and government propaganda are the same thing.

  13. What color should we paint the nuke. by geekmux · · Score: 1

    Every election the American People are forced to choose between the lesser of two evils. 300 million Americans seem to enjoy electing cow shit to battle against horse shit in one hell of a crappy race to the bottom.

    Worrying about social media election issues is like arguing over what color to paint a nuclear warhead.

  14. Oligarchy by DarkRookie · · Score: 1

    The only thing the big tech companies want is an Oligarchy controlled by them.

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  15. Voting is already just a placebo for the masses by JustNiz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    >> safeguard electoral processes or face a future where democracy is more fragile

    Look around. Nearly all so-called "democratic" governments are already working towards replacing democracy with dictatorship. Doing nothing in this case just speeds up their actual agenda.

    1. Re:Voting is already just a placebo for the masses by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      UK, USA, Australia, any EU country.

  16. I thought they already did. by houghi · · Score: 1

    It is called lobying. Do they want to cut out the other middleman, the lobyists?
    Normally the public should be the middleman. Fun times for the few years they pretended that that actually worked.

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  17. Re:Watch Slashdot embrace Microsoft by Merk42 · · Score: 2

    Literally nothing would make Slashdot embrace Microsoft.
    Microsoft could meticulously do differently all the things that Slashdot complains about and it still won't be enough. The goalposts wlll contantly move.

    Microsoft could have the cure for cancer and Slashdot would still be against them, claiming they are trying to EEE cancer treatment centers.

  18. No. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    What we need is to limit the amount of money that any one entity can spend on political causes and require that 100% of funds for Political Action Committees are from donations. This would drastically reduce the amount of political corruption in this country.

    That said, websites that are not dedicated to carrying news need to stop carrying news and those that do need to be held accountable for it's accuracy or lack thereof.

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  19. Won't address any of the obvious issues by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Like when a town of 3k people has 4.5k votes cast in it. That's about the number in one county that Roy Moore lost in Alabama. That's third world level brazenness in terms of voter fraud in a country that prides itself on the "rule of law." Someone please provide a logical reason why state and federal law enforcement have never gone into places like this and announced that the entire election officiating organization is under criminal investigation. You can't because the reason is really simple: politics.

    If you want to "safeguard democracy," I have a really simple suggestion: make any sort of organized voter fraud like this covered under the charge of "attempted overthrow of the United States Government." That's what it is: an attempted bloodless coup against the elected government through voter fraud.

    1. Re:Won't address any of the obvious issues by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Like when a town of 3k people has 4.5k votes cast in it. That's about the number in one county that Roy Moore lost in Alabama. That's third world level brazenness in terms of voter fraud in a country that prides itself on the "rule of law." Someone please provide a logical reason why state and federal law enforcement have never gone into places like this and announced that the entire election officiating organization is under criminal investigation. You can't because the reason is really simple: politics.

      If you want to "safeguard democracy," I have a really simple suggestion: make any sort of organized voter fraud like this covered under the charge of "attempted overthrow of the United States Government." That's what it is: an attempted bloodless coup against the elected government through voter fraud.

      Bordalama is not a real city. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20171228203049AAVE5ma

    2. Re:Won't address any of the obvious issues by Puls4r · · Score: 1

      The other two replies to this currently are buried - so I'll add one more that has some karma attached and might make it past the zero-filter.

      The 'town' that you are citing was made-up and fake, and created by a website like The Onion.

      http://www.politifact.com/pund...

      Had you really care, instead of being either a knee-jerk fool or a paid shill (I vote for shill) you'd check those internet-emails you get before positing them on websites.

  20. the right thing by cmaurand · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't need to legislate to get corporations to do "the right thing."

  21. Re:All that is needed for Evil men to triumph... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What will you do when immigrants show up at your door step? What will you do when armed governments make demands?

    It's not that I don't love the idea but unless you are willing to gun down the unwashed masses that show up wanting help while also keeping big governments from meddling in your affairs (no clue how that's possible), it won't really work.

    Also, if you do try gunning down all the unwashed masses, you'll probably piss off some of the nanny states. Definitely need to pay off all the governments you don't have enough firepower to deter.