Amazon's YouTube Workaround on Fire TV Works Just Fine (geekwire.com)

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Amazon's YouTube Workaround on Fire TV Works Just Fine (geekwire.com)

Posted by msmash on Wednesday January 3, 2018 @07:22AM from the check-mate dept.

Last month, a notification that YouTube would no longer be available through Fire TV and Fire TV Stick devices starting Jan. 1 popped up, threatening to leave a huge hole in Amazon's streaming lineup. But just last week, Amazon added the ability to surf the web and get to YouTube via a browser. But does it work? GeekWire thinks so: The result is a simple path to YouTube, circumventing Google's move to pull it from Fire TV. Web browsing probably wasn't a direct response to Amazon's issues with Google, which owns YouTube, but it provides a convenient alternative to keep the service accessible for Fire TV users. The first step is downloading one or both of the web browsers. Opening Firefox leads to this home screen with easy access tiles to both Google and YouTube. On Silk, the home screen defaults to Bing search. But as I poked around, I noticed that YouTube for TV showed up in my bookmarks even though this was the first time I opened the browser. A YouTube interface optimized for TV, the same one you would see on other streaming devices, pops up on both browsers. To sign in, YouTube prompted me to activate YouTube for TV through a phone or computer. Once that process was complete, YouTube showed the same personalized recommendations as my phone and computer.

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thanks by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 07:29 · Score: 0

thanks for the review. I am excited that I have to open a browser now instead of just an app. I cannot believe how efficient it is!
1. Re:thanks by Kenja · 2018-01-03 07:31 · Score: 2
  
  thanks for the review. I am excited that I have to open a browser now instead of just an app. I cannot believe how efficient it is!
  It's one extra click, you'll live. And bad news, odds are the app was just a wrapper for a web browser anyhow.
  
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2. Re: thanks by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 07:41 · Score: 0
  
  Indeed most apps are like that. And YouTube weighs in at 80MB that can't be removed from the Android image :(
3. Re: thanks by wardrich86 · 2018-01-03 07:59 · Score: 1
  
  YouTube weighs in at 80MB that can't be removed from the Android image
  Anything is removable if you're rooted!
4. Re:thanks by cayenne8 · 2018-01-03 08:09 · Score: 1
  
  Actually, I clicked the old YouTube app....it took me to the browser download links.
  I installed both browsers, I still click the YouTube app and then choose which browser and it works.
  I tried with FireFox and it locked up my FireTV box....but Silk seems to run ok.
  
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5. Re: thanks by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-12 12:02 · Score: 0
  
  No sÃlo es un click extra, es una porquerÃa!!! Anda muy mal, se tildan los canales de streeming, una vergÃ¼enza lo de amazon. No comprar jamÃs estas segundas marcas
YouTube casting by aicrules · 2018-01-03 07:33 · Score: 2, Interesting

While it may not be a huge deal, YouTube casting to Fire TV/stick doesn't work with this method. It was something I used, but now I can't. Wish I could, but not going to cry about it.
1. Re:YouTube casting by sobachatina · 2018-01-03 08:45 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, I wish Amazon would cast to my Chromecast. But they don't.
  I'm sad and wish Amazon hadn't starting this petty fight.
2. Re:YouTube casting by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 11:19 · Score: 0
  
  ...and wish Amazon hadn't starting this petty fight.
  That's because most corporate leaders have the emotional maturity of a 12 year old.
For Now... by Frosty+Piss · 2018-01-03 07:36 · Score: 1

It works "OK" for now, but it will be no problem for Google to deploy another block. Amazon needs to work something out with Google, otherwise this just keeps going: Fix->Block->Fix->Block and so on...

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1. Re:For Now... by Tailhook · 2018-01-03 07:54 · Score: 1, Troll
  
  Fix->Block->Fix->Block
  Pretty hard to support the arguments of Google et al. re Net Neutrality while this kind of nasty shit is going on. I fully appreciate the fine distinctions, but I also know explaining these subtleties to normals is nigh on impossible. At the end of the day it has every appearance of being just another bunch of corporate rent seekers squabbling with each other, none more obviously noble than the others, and safely ensconced in that stink the Senators from Comcast can back Comcast's FCC chairman with a straight face.
  
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2. Re:For Now... by 91degrees · 2018-01-03 08:30 · Score: 1
  
  Blocking it would be abuse of monopoly though. Not supporting an app is legal - no company is expected to make an active effort to support every platform - but actively preventing another company's products from working would be illegal.
3. Re:For Now... by butchersong · 2018-01-03 08:42 · Score: 1
  
  I doubt Google will actively block anything. This whole mess is on Amazon as far as I'm concerned though so I'm not super concerned. They started this and Google has just been reacting to each new dick decision from them.
4. Re:For Now... by magzteel · 2018-01-03 08:44 · Score: 1
  
  It works "OK" for now, but it will be no problem for Google to deploy another block. Amazon needs to work something out with Google, otherwise this just keeps going: Fix->Block->Fix->Block and so on...
  How do you block a web browser?
5. Re:For Now... by stephanruby · 2018-01-03 08:53 · Score: 1
  
  Are users really complaining? I think you can already get Youtube on SamsungTV, SonyTV, LG TV, Chromecast, etc.
6. Re:For Now... by squiggleslash · 2018-01-03 09:08 · Score: 1
  
  Given the type of workaround, where the user is using a plain old web browser, I really don't think Google are going to block it. It would be setting a precedent I don't think they'd want to set. It's one thing to block custom apps they have little control over, quite another to ban access via the standard, supported, way of accessing their content.
  They're pissed at Amazon, sure, but even non-cooperation has its limits.
  
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7. Re:For Now... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 09:14 · Score: 0
  
  I'm complaining. Not really for myself, but for a senior family member for whom I recently purchased a Fire TV stick. I have both a Roku and Chromecast at home (along with a slew of other things), but I saw a deal for the Fire TV stick with an Echo dot (which can turn things on, change channels, play/pause/stop/etc), so I got that. Making it more difficult to get to youtube makes it just difficult enough that she can't remember how to get to it now.
  On the other hand, I should have known better. Got her a Fire tablet last year, and quickly found out those blow if you have any desire for integration with anything Google does. Want youtube? open the browser, go to bookmarks, find it, go there. Want hangouts? ditto. Want google search? ditto. I knew half the story going in, but what I didn't know is that there is no means of putting a bookmark on the home screen anywhere (as I have been able to do on every android device since they came out).
  That bookmark issue is also apparent here. If they allowed a simple bookmark where the apps are, then you could launch right into any web app. That's a limitation imposed directly by Amazon, and there's no good reason for it. I like an awful lot of what Amazon does, but there always seems to be some catch that ruins it (for my use cases, at least).
  BTW, you don't "get Youtube on ... Chromecast"; Chromecast doesn't have any apps on it (besides the wallpaper). You have to use some other device to cast to it. While that is a nearly useless difference to many people, it's huge to someone that doesn't have a smartphone nor ipad nor android tablet (but does have a computer in another room, and a Fire tablet).
8. Re:For Now... by GWXerog · 2018-01-03 09:16 · Score: 1
  
  Amazon has for the longest time blocked the mobile browser(s) on Non-Kindle Android tablets from watching any of their Prime content. They made you go download the App, which then told you to go buy a Kindle. Amazon started this and they deserve it IMO
9. Re:For Now... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 09:17 · Score: 0
  
  Careful. Fire is the product. Google isn't disabling the product or its OS or the browser.
  I do believe you lose control over any information you openly broadcast* (ie freely accessible pages on a public-facing server**) but Google can keep their servers from delivering on requests before the matter.
  *including public-visible license plates
  **a subtlety lost in courtrooms or in poor analogies to "you can't just say it was unlocked" re: doors on property designated private
10. Re:For Now... by d0rp · 2018-01-03 09:17 · Score: 1
  
  How do you block a web browser?
  Refuse connections that include the user-agent string of the device that you are trying to block.
  But of course that only works if the browser "properly" sets it's user-agent. You could just then change your user-agent to report itself as a windows computer and then there's nothing they can do (assuming they don't want to block all windows computers from accessing YouTube).
11. Re:For Now... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 09:28 · Score: 0
  
  It works "OK" for now, but it will be no problem for Google to deploy another block.
  At this point, it is impossible for Google to block it without interfering with non-Amazon devices (like a Windows PC). Because at this point, the only way for them to tell that the browser is not running on a Windows PC, is to ask it. And there is no way for Google to know if the browser is telling the truth.
12. Re:For Now... by magzteel · 2018-01-03 09:34 · Score: 1
  
  How do you block a web browser?
  Refuse connections that include the user-agent string of the device that you are trying to block.
  But of course that only works if the browser "properly" sets it's user-agent. You could just then change your user-agent to report itself as a windows computer and then there's nothing they can do (assuming they don't want to block all windows computers from accessing YouTube).
  Exactly. It is very common to spoof the user-agent
13. Re:For Now... by tepples · 2018-01-03 13:53 · Score: 1
  
  Chromecast doesn't have any apps on it (besides the wallpaper). You have to use some other device to cast to it. While that is a nearly useless difference to many people, it's huge to someone that doesn't have a smartphone nor ipad nor android tablet (but does have a computer in another room, and a Fire tablet).
  Then install Google Chrome on the computer and cast from that. Why else would it be called a Chromecast?
14. Re:For Now... by zabbey · 2018-01-03 15:24 · Score: 1
  
  Years ago I remember watching hulu in the ps3's browser just fine and then one day hulu's website claimed it no longer worked in the ps3's browser. So I wrote a website that scraped all the direct links from hulu and accessed that page on the ps3's browser. Videos worked fine. Until hulu realized people were doing this, then they had the flash player check the useragent and all of sudden the videos were gone. I don't recall any antitrust lawsuits resulting from their actions.
15. Re:For Now... by 91degrees · 2018-01-03 20:28 · Score: 1
  
  YouTube's market share is massive. Hulu has never had more than about 3%. You need a monopoly before anti-monopoly laws come into play.
16. Re:For Now... by JackieBrown · 2018-01-04 05:12 · Score: 1
  
  Pretty hard to support the arguments of Google et al. re Net Neutrality while this kind of nasty shit is going on. I fully appreciate the fine distinctions
  
  They want to be the only ones (not the ISP) preventing you from using their service. I know you get the difference and agree that it feels very hypocritical on Google's part.
  On the flip side, it helps Google's push for net neutrality from people who don't understand the issue
  https://slashdot.org/comments....
Here's Another Workaround by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 07:43 · Score: 0

Just buy a small, cheap, media PC.
1. Re:Here's Another Workaround by MachineShedFred · 2018-01-03 08:04 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, spend shedloads more money and add complexity because Google and Amazon are in an anticompetitive pissing match. That'll show 'em, especially if you buy all your small, cheap, media PC parts from Amazon!
  
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2. Re:Here's Another Workaround by 91degrees · 2018-01-03 09:27 · Score: 1
  
  A fire stick is $39.99, comes with a remote, and works out of the box with minimal configuration required. It's small enough to be easily hidden behind the TV, or reasonably unobtrusive coming out of side port.
  
  And people who want one already have one.
3. Re: Here's Another Workaround by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 10:00 · Score: 0
  
  And TVs come with a YouTube app preinstalled these days. The one on my bros tv works very well, even seeking is smooth which has always bugged me in most YouTube apps.
4. Re:Here's Another Workaround by drinkypoo · 2018-01-03 15:16 · Score: 1
  
  It doesn't have enough RAM, and Amazon has actually made it use more memory in updates. For example, if you let the screensaver display more than just a few images, whatever you were actually running gets kicked out of memory. Whether this is the Youtube app (well, was) or Firefox, you wind up having to wait for it to totally reload before you can get back to watching things. And since Youtube loves to shuffle recommendations, whatever you were planning to watch has probably vanished.
  The Fire TV stick is shit. The only good thing about is the remote.
  
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5. Re:Here's Another Workaround by 91degrees · 2018-01-03 20:30 · Score: 1
  
  It may well be. But it's not shit enough to justify buying a media PC to replace it just because it no longer supports youTube.
6. Re:Here's Another Workaround by drinkypoo · 2018-01-03 21:59 · Score: 1
  
  It may well be. But it's not shit enough to justify buying a media PC to replace it just because it no longer supports youTube.
  If what you do is mostly watch Youtube, I disagree, at least in part. I wouldn't buy a "media PC", but I might well buy another STB or stick. Preferably one that is less shite. If Amazon works on it these days, I might be better off actually going back to my MK908.
  
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i don't think.... by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 07:51 · Score: 0

I don't think "Jut Fine" means what you think it means.
1. Re:i don't think.... by DontBeAMoran · 2018-01-03 08:28 · Score: 1
  
  I'm pretty sure msmash knows what "Just Fine" means.
  You, on the other hand, should give us a definition of what "Jut Fine" actually means.
  
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Breaking News by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 07:58 · Score: 0

Website accessible from web-browser
More at 11.
1. Re:Breaking News by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 08:11 · Score: 0
  
  In this case it is news. When you open the YouTube website, the interface is actually the same as the app it is replacing. It is not the normal web based interface.
2. Re:Breaking News by DontBeAMoran · 2018-01-03 08:30 · Score: 1
  
  I'm pretty sure they're seeing the "TV version" of YouTube, similar to the differences when viewing youtube.com on a smartphone, a tablet or a laptop/desktop computer.
  
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Does this mean I need to enable Amazon updates? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 08:05 · Score: 0

Because seriously, the lack of updates are the only thing keeping be on the platform because newer versions block root access. I like root access and the ability to control the hardware I own.
1. Re:Does this mean I need to enable Amazon updates? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 08:12 · Score: 0
  
  Root access to a FireTV ??
  Just curious as to why you need it and what you do that requires it??
2. Re:Does this mean I need to enable Amazon updates? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 09:06 · Score: 0
  
  Has two major benefits. First, you can download any movies, as well as watch them. The other is you can unlock additional channels. We have HBO and Showtime on our FireTV and don't subscribe to either, you just modify /sdcard/Android/com.amazon.video//settings.xml, add them to the subscriptions section, and write protect the file.
  Also you can install FireWeb, and control the stick using a web browser, which is awesome because you can even stream the video to your PC that way. I often log in from my browser at work (I have a port forwarded to the FireTV), and watch stuff from Amazon Prime that way. Nice!
3. Re:Does this mean I need to enable Amazon updates? by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 09:21 · Score: 0
  
  GP didn't use the words "need" nor "require". They said that they, "like root access and the ability to control the hardware I own".
  Nobody "needs" a Fire TV at all. IE. you're framing a question so that the answer can't possible be acceptable.
  Somewhere in there, I do share a similar curiosity. Besides the ability to be root and possible replace the software someday, is there anything useful that root access to a Fire TV provides today? (ex. any compelling 3rd party apps that need root, or things you can remove or disable as root, etc)
thought google was smart by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 08:16 · Score: 0

did they just forget that youtube is a website?!
Enough was Enough by CrashNBrn · 2018-01-03 08:20 · Score: 1

When Amazon force updated YouTube on the FireStick ahead of the Jan.01st deadline, and interrupted YouTube that was already playing.
We went to Best Buy the next day and replaced all the Amazon Sticks with Roku's. Everything about the Roku is just plain better.
1. Re:Enough was Enough by eliphalet · 2018-01-03 08:27 · Score: 1
  
  Still waiting for Prime Video to support ChromeCast.
2. Re:Enough was Enough by ArhcAngel · 2018-01-03 08:36 · Score: 1
  
  But have you tried the new Prime Video for Android TV? OH wait, not compatible with ANY of your devices...damn.
  
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3. Re:Enough was Enough by reboot246 · 2018-01-03 08:37 · Score: 1
  
  I have Roku and Fire TV. Each is better in its own way. Fire TV is faster and smoother and plays better games. Roku has tons more "channels" + YouTube. I can switch back and forth between them.
  
  They're cheap enough. Just get both.
4. Re:Enough was Enough by squiggleslash · 2018-01-03 09:00 · Score: 1
  
  Try a newer Roku. I bought a Roku stick two years ago, and loved it, but certain applications seemed to be ridiculously slow, and others, such as Netflix, started off OK but just became unusable over time.
  So we bought a newer standalone Roku, a Roku Premiere+ (sadly discontinued but I'm sure you can find the current equivalent on their site), and it was like night and day. The responsiveness is perfect now. Plus this model you can connect to the Internet using Ethernet rather than Wi-fi (less interference, and using powerline ethernet you don't have much extra wiring.)
  I have to admit to finding the improvement in speed absurd, the user interfaces aren't that complex, a Commodore Amiga should be able to render them quickly, but I suspect they're written in Javascript and HTML, using 17 layers of frameworks, all probably by contractors who have never heard of "for()" loops and have no idea why they'd want to use one...
  
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5. Re:Enough was Enough by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 09:01 · Score: 0
  
  It also bites them in the ass, in Canada when I tried their prime trial to checkout the video library I found precisely zero convenient ways to watch their content on the TV since they also inexplicably region locked applications. None of Chromecast, Xbox 360, PS3, WiiU or Xbox One could access their service.
  End result, I didn't watch their content and I didn't bother with prime.
6. Re:Enough was Enough by reboot246 · 2018-01-03 10:56 · Score: 1
  
  I have a Roku Premiere +. It's much better than the original Roku I owned years ago, but it's still not as good with games as Fire TV is. Roku's YouTube interface is a little clunky but works great.
7. Re:Enough was Enough by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 19:46 · Score: 0
  
  Actually they are written in Brightscript, which is basically an enhanced javascript.
DOS ain't done until Lotus won't run! by Thud457 · 2018-01-03 08:23 · Score: 1

Youtube ain't done until Fire won't run!

The land was stalked by monsters back in those days...

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Re:#NOTYOUTOO by DontBeAMoran · 2018-01-03 08:26 · Score: 0

What about 2D women, though? They're fake to begin with so how do you know which ones have fake boobs?

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It does not work fine by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 08:35 · Score: 0

Using youtube via the browser is slower and causes jittery video playback.
I would like google to walk me through how terminating youtube on these devices punishes amazon and not the end user. I had a youtube red subscription and I canceled it due to this nonsense. I made sure google knew why.
Ill Pass by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 09:41 · Score: 0

I'm glad i dont deal with the amazon eco system. This is such a hack work around. The web version is in no way going to be user intuitive to use and navigate compared to a proper app for a TV streaming device.
So let me guess you have to open the browser, type in youtube.com with the limited input options on a remote, then navigate to the search bar, find your video. Once the video is playing I am assuming it is going to be in a little box in the browser window with all the other crap around it just like in the desktop web version. You will now have to use the limited navigation options to work your way to the full screen video button on the video player and select that.
Yeah, no thanks.
Ill stick to youtube on my phone with the chromecast on my TV. Find video on phone, hit cast button, done.
Amazon started all this BS with pulling all of google's products off their retail site because they competed with their offerings. Can you imagine if a retail or grocery store pulled all of the name brand products off their shelves to only push their in house branded version of the products or food? I imagine they would quickly loose business. The same needs to happen to Amazon till they pull their head out of their ass. This is exactly why you don't let companies expand and dip their feet into every possible business segment where it creates conflicts of interest. If you are going to be a retail site carry everyone's reasonable product that is willing to pay whatever fees come with doing commerce on your platform.
Hopefully Walmart and Target uping their online game will put a fire under amazon's butt, because guess what I can go buy a google chromecast or google home device on their sites, and have done so, so fuck you amazon.
1. Re:Ill Pass by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 11:24 · Score: 0
  
  3 Pass?
2. Re: Ill Pass by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-07 12:00 · Score: 0
  
  The app is exactly the same. The YouTube "app" was a wrapper for the tv version of the main YouTube site. This is identical, same interface, same playback capabilities. All full screen.
I hope this upgrade comes to Android too by JMZero · 2018-01-03 10:03 · Score: 1

I never open the Youtube app, and only end up on Youtube through a link.
And I never want to open random links to Youtube (or Twitter or Facebook - or any of the preloaded apps I can't remove) with some dumb special app - the browser version is fine, doesn't force me to log in, and stays in its tab where I put it.
Hopefully Google gets in some fight with everyone else (and, uh, itself) so that all this garbage stays in browser tabs where it belongs.

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Re:#NOTYOUTOO by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-03 10:18 · Score: 0

Double-D are fake unless you are 400 LBS. Are you 400 LBS?
How about screwing with the browser ID by guruevi · 2018-01-03 13:08 · Score: 1

If Amazon just spoofed its user agent, it wouldnâ(TM)t have such trouble. The Fire is just an Android system, there are plenty of YouTube apps for Android.

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YouTube still works fine. by jdharm · 2018-01-04 05:02 · Score: 1

The YouTube app on my FireTV Stick Gen2 still works fine. I get a popup saying it won't work on 1/1/2018 but I just OK out of the popup and keep going as normal.

I did try the FireFox/YouTube combo on the Stick and it as nearly indistinguishable from the app.
Title Punctuation by Anonymous Coward · 2018-01-04 05:42 · Score: 0

These days, I'm so used to reading punctuation-free posts and mentally adding my own periods that I read the title as:
Amazon's YouTube Workaround on Fire. TV Works Just Fine.