Slashdot Mirror

← Back to Stories (view on slashdot.org)

AMD Unveils 2nd Gen Ryzen and Threadripper CPUs, 7nm Vega Mobile GPUs At CES (hothardware.com)

Posted by msmash on from the next-up dept.

MojoKid writes: AMD is unveiled a number of upcoming chip products for the new year at CES 2018, including updated next-generation Ryzen and Threadripper desktop processors covering every market segment from mobile to HEDT, and an array of Vega-based graphics products. AMD will be releasing a pair of Ryzen 3-branded mobile APUs for mainstream notebooks. The quad-core / quad-thread Ryzen 3 2300U has base and boost clocks of 2.0GHz and 3.4GHz, respectively, while the dual-core / quad-thread Ryzen 3 2200U clocks-in at 2.5GHz and 3.4GHz, base and boost. Desktop Ryzen APUs, codenamed Raven Ridge, are inbound for the AM4 platform as well. Launching on February 12 are the upcoming Ryzen 5 2400G and Ryzen 3 2200G. The Ryzen 5 chip is a quad-core / eight-thread machine with an on-die, 11 CU Vega graphics core, priced at $169. The Ryzen 3 2200G is a quad-core / quad-thread chip with and 8 CU Vega-based graphics engine for only $99. CPU core frequencies on the Ryzen 5 2400G range from 3.6GHz -- 3.9GHz (base / boost) and the Ryzen 3 2400G clocks-in at 3.5GHz -- 3.7GHz. 2nd-generation Ryzen desktop processors are on the way as well and will be manufactured using an advanced 12nm+ lithography process, leveraging the Zen+ architecture, which is fundamentally unchanged from current Zen-based processors, save for a few tweaks and fixes that improve cache and memory speeds and latency. 2nd-Generation Ryzen processors are NOT based on the Zen 2 architecture. AMD also mentioned that these new processors will be used in a new line-up of 2nd-Generation Threadripper processors. Finally, the company disclosed two new Vega-based GPUs, a Vega Mobile part with a svelte 1.7mm Z-height and second Vega-based chip, which will be manufactured at 7nm that specifically targets machine learning applications. The low-profile Vega Mobile GPU will find its ways into ultra-thin notebooks and mobile workstations, but speeds and feeds weren't disclosed. AMD also announced that it will be supporting variable refresh rate over HDMI 2.1 in the future as well.

97 comments

  1. The Eagles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lost there exclusivity of Hell Freezes Over!

  2. I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Admittedly I haven't bought any of them since the Athlon XP but it's clear that when AMD is competitive Intel produces better chips.

    And hopefully the current Intel problems with Meltdown will give them a shot in the arm.

    The only problem AMD currently have is that they are not really competitive with Intel for low power mobile chips.

    The worst case is that AMD announce they're concentrating on the embedded market like MIPS.

    Also it would be good to see Via do some chips which are aimed at the mainstream laptop market.

    --
    echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    1. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why would AMD suddenly start concentrating on the embedded market (where they don't have a presence to speek of) now that they finally have desktop and server CPUs that are competitive again?

    2. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      They won't now but 'We're going to concentrate on the embedded market' is the traditional way for companies to stop competing in the desktop/server markets where they need to do an expensive microarchitecture respin every couple of years to stay competitive.

      E.g. it's what MIPS said when they stop trying to compete in the workstation market.

      --
      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    3. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      I hadn't bought any AMD chips since the Athlon days as well, but I picked up a Ryzen 1600 a few months ago and am very pleased with the performance. AMD is once again back within shouting distance of Intel's best and for way less money. And as you mention competition is never a bad thing for the end users.

    4. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's also what IBM said after the NetBurst + Opeteron/Athlon 64 steamrolled the G5 without even noticing it.

    5. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Yup.

      If AMD ever says this we're fucked, because it will mean Intel will have a monopoly on desktop/server CPUs. And all the signs are that means desktop and server CPUs will stagnate.

      In that case ARM might help a bit, but Intel are way ahead of ARM in single core performance. So they'd be able to rest of their laurels until there's a competitive ARM implementation.

      --
      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    6. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      but it's clear that when AMD is competitive Intel produces better chips.

      No, they don't. What they do is resort to anticompetitive behavior. You clearly do not know the history of Intel.

      --
      Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
    7. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      The only problem AMD currently have is that they are not really competitive with Intel for low power mobile chips.

      I suppose it depends on what you mean by low power. AMD doesn't have anything that competes against Atom in the ~5W range, but at that power threshold it seems like most people just go with an ARM SoC anyways.

      However, AMD did just release their mobile Zen-based APUs a few months back and they've been trickling out into the market. These are all 4-core/8-thread chips with onboard graphics in a ~15W TDP envelope. That's the same as Intel's U series processors. I think that they're reasonably close in terms of CPU performance but I haven't seen a lot of benchmarks yet, but AMD wins hands down on the GPU side.

    8. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well AMD already did their whole diversification strategy to "Enterprise, embedded and semi-custom" which I thought would be their final "if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen" move, it created other revenue but it also diverted more resources away from competing with Intel. Back in Q2 2016 their "traditional" CPU/GPU unit was down to $435M in revenue and hemorrhaging money (-$85M) and I thought it was only a matter of time before they threw in the towel at least in the CPU market. Sure they hyped Zen but AMD had a long history of promising the world and not delivering.

      Fortunately for all of us, probably most of all AMD they actually had a winner. Last quarter (Q3, Q4 is not out yet) they had $70M in profit on $819M in sales in the same unit, that turnaround is pretty much all Zen in different variations. It was like seeing a boxer battling on the ropes being battered, bruised and dazzled making one last Hail Mary knockout attempt and hitting hard. Now if only they could do the same in the GPU market, after the GTX 9xx series totally crushed them they never quite recovered. More important than low power mobile anyway.

      --
      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    9. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Don't knock low power mobile. A lot more people buy laptops with integrated graphics than a typical gaming rig.

      And Intel are making pretty good money in that market - look at the prices on these chips. It's $300 to $500 for an i7.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      --
      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    10. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      Last time slashdot covered AMD's mobile offerings they didn't seem all that compelling. Basically if I was going to buy a Windows laptop I'd pretty much have to buy an Intel one.

      https://hardware.slashdot.org/...

      The CPU performance of a Ryzen 5 2500U is better than a i7-7600U but worse than a i7-8550U or an i5-8250U

      The GPU performance of an Ryzen 5 2500U/Vega 8 is worse than a i5-8250U/Geforce MX150 but it's faster than integrated Intel HD620 in an i7-8550U

      The power consumption is clearly worse than a either an Intel IGP or even the GeForce MX150. E.g.

      We noted that the Acer Swift 3 with a Core i7-8250U 8th Gen CPU and GeForce MX150 pulled about 9 Watts at idle and 13 - 16 Watts under the light duty load of our HD video loop test. The HP Envy x360 15z with Ryzen 5 Mobile pulled about the same 9 Watts at idle and with similar panel brightness, but under the load of video playback with VLC, pulled 20 Watts with peaks to 30 Watts in spots. We also quickly tested CPU utilization whether running VLC or the Windows 10 video player, and saw Ryzen 5 2500U CPU utilization oscillated at a low 4 - 12 percent. So, it appears at least with respect to VLC and video playback, that Ryzen Mobile with Vega 8 graphics is more power-hungry or perhaps has a bit more driver maturity to undergo to be fully optimized.

      Generally PC laptops have two major customer groups

      1) People who don't care about GPU performance but do care about battery life, price, power consumption etc

      2) People who do care about GPU performance.

      People from group 1) are going to get a machine with an Intel CPU and use the integrated GPU.

      People from group 2) are going to get a machine with an Intel CPU and a discrete GPU. And not a GeForce MX150 either - more like a Geforce 1050 Ti.

      In which case where does the Ryzen 2500U/Vega 8 combo fit in? It doesn't have enough GPU performance for groups 2). It's not low power enough for group 1).

      If they'd managed to build something which had more performance than a MX150 they'd be fine. If they could beat Intel IGPs for power they'd be fine. But something with less performance than a MX150 and more power usage too isn't going to do well.

      Now maybe some of this could be fixed with a driver update. Still based on current performance we're going to see these machines being sold a deep discount. And if they're not commercially successful, why would AMD spend time optimising drivers?

      It's a shame really. AMD Ryzen CPUs on the desktop are actually pretty competitive with Intel. It's a shame the mobile stuff has failed to find the right market niche.

      It's a shame really - when AMD bought ATI I thought it would give them more options than Intel have given that Intel and NVidia are separate companies that get on like cats in a sack.

      --
      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    11. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      I'm hoping eGPU's start getting more adoption, because there's an option for a 3rd type of laptop
      Beefy CPU with integrated graphics while mobile, with the option to connect to an external video card for more performance when needed.

      This would be perfect for a college kid for example. Light, portable laptop for going to class; but back in the dorm they'd just plug it in to an eGPU and it can be used for gaming.

    12. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2

      True. But that means people will buy type 1) machines with a Thunderbolt port (and possibly a non U CPU). I.e. they'll still want something with low power consumption when it's not linked to an external GPU. Which means AMD will still get hit by the "It's not low power enough for group 1)" issue with their solution.

      In fact Type 1 machines with a Thunderbolt port are going to be really, really common. And eGPU prices will continue to drop.

      I reckon Apple might push eGPUs. They're apparently supported well by High Sierra and Apple don't have any affordable Macbooks with a discrete GPU. Even the high end 15 inch model is very underpowered in GPU terms compared to Windows machines.

      https://www.apple.com/shop/buy...

      $2,799.00 and you only get a Radeon 560.

      That's not a very high end GPU

      https://www.videocardbenchmark...

      --
      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    13. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Don't knock low power mobile. A lot more people buy laptops with integrated graphics than a typical gaming rig. And Intel are making pretty good money in that market - look at the prices on these chips. It's $300 to $500 for an i7.

      I wouldn't trust Intel's list prices on BGA processors because nobody knows what they actually sell for. Maybe that's the price for start-ups that want to buy a tray but I think Lenovo, HP and Dell pay far less the same way list price and OEM price for Windows is very different. I have seen laptop models for sale where the CPU would be a ridiculous share of the total if those prices were actually true.

      --
      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    14. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. But then the people who get cheap CPUs are selling them in enormous volumes. All that's happening is that if you commit to buying 10,000 CPUs you pay a lot less than someone who only wants to buy one.

      Also soldered CPUs tend to be cheaper than socketed ones.

      --
      echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
    15. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. But then the people who get cheap CPUs are selling them in enormous volumes. All that's happening is that if you commit to buying 10,000 CPUs you pay a lot less than someone who only wants to buy one. Also soldered CPUs tend to be cheaper than socketed ones.

      All good points, but I think you're far more dependent on the whole ecosystem to get at that profit. Not just the things AMD controls but third party chips, OS support, put in a premium model with good screen, design, keyboard, ergonomics and so on. They're quite typecast as the "value" brand and I think OEMs would have to work pretty hard to make it sell. Whereas with desktop and server components it's a lot easier to sell on benchmarks, you deliver the FPS? It's a good gaming card. Stick it in the box of your choice, use the monitor and accessories you want.

      It's also the part of the market most threatened by a disruptive change like Apple making an ARM-based Mac, success of ARM-based Win10 laptops or ARM-based Chromebook or just the evolution of smartphone/tablet/docking solutions to reduce future demand. I think AMD can make a lot more money being the alternative to Intel/nVidia than getting into that crossfire. They kinda already did when they got out of the "big CPU" game in 2012 and continued with their APUs, it was not a success. And they kinda need to keep up with graphics in order to remain the preferred console partner.

      --
      Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
    16. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Why would AMD suddenly start concentrating on the embedded market (where they don't have a presence to speek of)"

      Uhh, console gaming systems are embedded systems. Guess what the entire current gen runs?

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
    17. Re:I hope AMD keep making desktop/server chips by ShamblerBishop · · Score: 1

      Ya, when AMD get competitive Intel strips off all those pesky security checks hampering performance.

  3. Buy now or wait? by admin7087 · · Score: 2

    *sigh* Always the same. I was about to buy a 1600X or 1800X based Ryzen System today, and now I'm unsure again. Should I buy or not? Will the motherboard change with Zen 2?

    1. Re:Buy now or wait? by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      I would wait until some fixes come for Meltdown and Spectre.

    2. Re:Buy now or wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depends, AMD tends to be overclock-friendly, so an 1800X today will probably last you a good while with some overclocking.

    3. Re:Buy now or wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      AMD is generally quite good about not changing the socket all the time like Intel does. My AM3 socket has lasted 6+ years with one CPU upgrade 3 years after I got it. It still runs great. I just acquired the 1700X, and I don't see any real reason to hold off. Sure the 7nm and improvements are nice, but if you wait for Zen 2, then you will probably consider waiting for Zen 3. I was on FX for a long time waiting for Zen, that was a worthwhile upgrade.

    4. Re:Buy now or wait? by mandark1967 · · Score: 2

      AMD has stated on multiple occasions that AM4 is going to be supported until at least 2020.

      Buy now.

      I'm dropping $1600+ on a new Ryzen 5 1600x based system this week as well (Technically, it's $1100 for the system and $549 for the case)

      --
      Sig Follows: "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain
    5. Re: Buy now or wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      AMD isn't vulnerable to Meltdown and Spectre isn't a real threat is you on single user machines.
      Get a 1700. 8 cores, 16 threads, 65watts. $300+$100mobo.
      ITX options are around too.

    6. Re:Buy now or wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really, I'm still using a i7 920, so I thought it's about time. Basically, I've had 9 years to save for this. Not rich at all.

    7. Re:Buy now or wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a few weeks at least. Either buy a better cpu or pay less for the one you were going to buy.

    8. Re:Buy now or wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rich people often don't believe they're rich.

    9. Re:Buy now or wait? by tdelaney · · Score: 1

      I'm in a similar situation - i7 860 for my gaming machine (video card has been upgraded a few times - GTX 1060 6GB now).

      Built a machine for my brother using a Ryzen 1500X and been very happy with it (his identical i7 860 machine finally died). I'm hoping mine survives until the Zen+ parts come out (hopefully April, although AMD only said Q2 so could be as late as June).

      It's not that I haven't had the money, but there's no point spending if it's not needed. I've covered the difference in electricity usage from 45nm to 14nm by installing 10kW of solar panels with a 6.5kWh battery ...

    10. Re:Buy now or wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you are getting 128GB of ram you are doing something very wrong. My Ryzen 5 1600 system cost only $430 for the 32g ram, the R5 1600 cpu and a B350 mobo. All other components were available in my drawers (550W modular PSU, case, 2x 480gb ssd, Nvidia 960, case fans). The Ryzen 5 2400G sounds really attractive though.

    11. Re:Buy now or wait? by tdelaney · · Score: 1

      ACtually, several places are saying that AMD committed to April - guess the initial report I read was incomplete.

    12. Re: Buy now or wait? by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. That's like the price for just 32GB of 3200MHz ram. Add CPU and mobo? Probably not even for Black Friday. Fuck off.

    13. Re:Buy now or wait? by mandark1967 · · Score: 0

      Asrock X370 TaiChi
      1600x
      G.SKILL Flare X Series 16GB
      GeForce 1080Ti
      EVGA SuperNova 850Watt PSU
      Win10 Pro X64
      Corsair H110i
      TTCore W200 + Core P200
      (4) HGST 8Tb Drives

      go away plebe

      --
      Sig Follows: "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain
    14. Re:Buy now or wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The AM4 platform is slated to be supported through 2020, with at least three generations of Zen based cores per the press releases when Ryzen launched. It's nice to see the second generation already on the horizon but it does appears to be coming on a 12nm process whereas the original roadmap appears to have claimed it would be 7nm.

    15. Re:Buy now or wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are dropping the prices of the 1600X and 1800X significantly currently now after the announcement, so it's still a good buy.

    16. Re:Buy now or wait? by Aquaseafoam · · Score: 1

      You're thinking of Zen2, which is supposed to be 7nm. Zen+ is whats coming next, it's a refresh of their current 12nm chips.

      --
      09-F9-11-02-9D-74-E3-5B-D8-41-56-C5-63-56-88-C0
    17. Re:Buy now or wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just buy it.

      If Zen2 is a beast and you gotta have it, sell the Zen1 stuff on ebay or whatever.

    18. Re:Buy now or wait? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      R7-1700 owner here. Love it, Glad I purchased it even know i would have preffered waiting for Zen+ due to a few bugs in architecture and microcode. Other than that it works great, overclocks great, and runs cool while doing so. Granted some of that is the silicon lottery at play, but I've played with 5 chips and they all work well. the 1600x is a great buy especially if you plan to overclock. As far as I know and can tell the Zen+ architecture will work in current AM4 motherboards. It wont be until Zen 2 that there may be a socket change. Other than that AMD's long term goal is to do the same thing they did with AM3, while also adding APU's to the AM4 socket lineup.

    19. Re:Buy now or wait? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, i have a few old FX cpu's i have re-purposed for other things, like a small gaming rig for my girl, home server for files and a few other things I keep running.. But depending on benchmarks i may be upgrading her pc to a R7-1700 im typing on now and buying me a new toy to play with and learn the new overclocking quirks.

    20. Re:Buy now or wait? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Current Ryzen is 14nm, zen+ is supposed to be 12nm+ and I thought they were going to 10nm after but i guess they're jumping right to 7.

  4. IOMMU? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All fine and well but will they fix the IOMMU and other virtualization issues for Threadripper? I have home use cases that can use lots of ECC memory and tons of PCIe lanes in a VM host - getting that in Intel is expensive, I'm not a corporate user who thinks its OK for a server to cost $1m...

  5. Re:The specter of Spectre. by coolmoe2 · · Score: 1

    nope but im sure intel will be happy to help you out.

  6. Threadripper boards with IPMI? and 1p epyc borads by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Any Threadripper boards with IPMI? and more 1p epyc boards are needed.

  7. need ryzen-pro with IPMI like intel xeon-e3 by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    need ryzen-pro boards with IPMI like intel xeon-e3

  8. Spyware by Errol+backfiring · · Score: 1

    Do they come with spyware like Management Engine / Trustzone / <insert buzzword here>? If so, why would I want to buy one? Wake up. Nowadays, we don't want extra features, we want to get rid of them.

    --
    Nae king! Nae laird! Nae yurrupiean pressedent! We willna be fooled again!
    1. Re:Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why would I want to buy one?

      Because you can't rely on old CPUs forever. Lightweight linux distros can breathe some new life into aging hardware, but most websites aren't going to pare down their js bullshit to run on C2Ds to appease the holdouts.

    2. Re:Spyware by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      All new processors come with those. But I've got an old P4 based machine I can let you have cheap. It's only about 14 years old...

    3. Re:Spyware by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Both Intel and AMD CPUs do. You don't have any other practical options.

    4. Re:Spyware by foxx1337 · · Score: 1

      It's called PSP for AMD and yes, it's there and as far as I know at the time, impossible to disable.

    5. Re:Spyware by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Bios modders are working on this as we speak. there is already a few that have succeeded but I think thats what spurred the PSP exploit that was just released a few weeks back.

  9. Might consider next time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have to say I have mostly bought Intel based computers. I did have a AMD small form desktop once that used a Sempron. I typically have always assumed mobile AMD's were short on performance and power savings. Now that we have had the Meltdown/Spectre stuff, I probably will consider a AMD for a laptop or desktop solution next time. Although I am not really concerned the latest flaws are anything significant but more hyped by a media looking for a story. So far its been much to do about nothing. But its nice to see a alternative to Intel and yet we will also see some ARM Windows stuff too which may mute any success AMD might had. We may see a splintered demand between three CPU's down the road AMD,Intel, ARM.

    1. Re:Might consider next time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for meandering, pointless story bereft of noteworthy details. I enjoy wasting my life.

  10. Re:Threadripper boards with IPMI? and 1p epyc bora by theendlessnow · · Score: 1

    IMHO, this is the "problem" with AMD. Sure, sounds nice and "competitive", but I can get a plethora of Intel hardware with the options I want and same or better performance at a cheaper price. Volume matters. I hope to see that from AMD, but hasn't happened yet.

  11. AMD could always out engineer Intel by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AMD has for years been the only one to push the X86 platform (well, there are really only 2 companies). They gave us the AMD64 (a.k.a., X86_64). They gave us a CPU + integrated memory controller. They gave us the APU (a combined CPU+GPU chip).

    And now they give us something that alludes Intel, a reliable CPU.

    1. Re:AMD could always out engineer Intel by erapert · · Score: 0

      And now they give us something that alludes Intel, a reliable CPU.

      Read.

  12. 549$ for a case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, that is a pretty expensive case!

    1. Re:549$ for a case? by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

      Thermaltake Core W200 Dual System Capable Extreme Water Cooling XL-ATX Fully Modular/Dismantle Stackable Tt Certified Super Tower Computer Case CA-1F5-00F1WN-00 at Amazon

      https://www.amazon.com/gp/prod...

      This will let me put both my computers in one case. I'll have my 4770K-based system for 3D Design and 3D Printing and my 1600X based system for my HTPC and Oculus Rift

      --
      Sig Follows: "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain
    2. Re:549$ for a case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have the 1600x also.

      It is pretty much the sweet spot for value.

      You get the top speeds from the Ryzen flagship 1800x (3.6 GHz, 4.0 turbo).
      But 75% the cores of the 1800X, but less than half the price.

      Great value.

    3. Re:549$ for a case? by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

      I was going to get the 1800X initially but, with the debut of the refreshed lineup, I decided to get the 1600X now and upgrade later this year to a "refreshed" CPU if it's warranted.

      I'm really looking forward to putting together the system this weekend. It "feels" like it's been years since I last built a system...

      Oh...the Core W200 case can also use a second "pedestal" case underneath it so I decided to turn the knob to 11 and get it too, lol. It's gonna be ~$700 total for the case alone but it should last me for the rest of my life, lol.

      --
      Sig Follows: "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain
    4. Re:549$ for a case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 1600X is awesome, I have G Skill RAM running at 3200MHz, and a Samsung NVMe boot drive.
      The system handles anything I throw at it, and with a linux 4.10 kernel, totally stable for 45 days.

    5. Re:549$ for a case? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You misspelled "porn".

      Hope this helps!

    6. Re:549$ for a case? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Man, that looks like a nice case, but they have one almost like it.. but 3 glass sides! https://www.frys.com/product/9... Then put that extra money to some nice looking custom loop.. once i get sick of the AZZA case I have, or need more space(doubtful lol) thats the one im picking up.

    7. Re:549$ for a case? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Yes! Fast ram and NVMe is a must for ryzen! Especially the 1600x when overclocking.. much better scale-ability since the cache overclocks with the cpu, and it has the same amount of cache as the R7 cpu's..

    8. Re:549$ for a case? by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

      I originally had that case in my cart but decided to go with the other one since it will hold both systems and all the drives I have in them (I have 8 in my current system and will ultimately have another 6 in the Ryzen, so I need at least 14 bays. That case you linked is a seriously beautiful case though...

      --
      Sig Follows: "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain
    9. Re:549$ for a case? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      The current case I use my wife found next to a dumpster at her friends house. i brought it inside and looked it up, was a $180 case at the time(3 years ago) and it has served me well! Also, thats a lot of drives, kindof limits you to what you can build. whynot just setup a system with SMB and NFS and throw it in a large black box with tons of drive space, then you can still build a pretty rig..

    10. Re:549$ for a case? by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

      I used to have an old Ubuntu File Server using SAMBA and I kept having issues with it (turns out the drives themselves were just crap and kept corrupting.) Then I moved to a pretty decent NAS unit but when the 4TB drives were released I ordered all new drives and it couldn't recognize any of them. (and there were no updates available for it so I ate that loss.) Then I picked up a Drobo 4 or 5 bay unit hella cheap from a going out of business sale and it died and took all my data with it...

      I finally came to the conclusion that I haven't really ever had any luck with dedicated storage devices in general so now I just load up each new system with as much storage as possible and use PowerShell scripts I've set up in task scheduler to automagically synch the data between all my computers so if one goes down I have the data on another.

      I went a little overboard last night with this order and added four HGST 8TB drives, a Samsung 960 EVO 500GB M.2 for the boot drive, (8) blue Corsair ML120 Pro fans (for the Intel system and (8) Red ML120 Pro fans for the 1600X to the list above when I ordered it all this morning. (and since the AMD system is going to need more USB ports than the TaiChi has I swapped that board out on my order and got an ASUS ROG Hero VI X370. I also bought a Toshiba RD400 PCIe Card that comes with a 256GB M.2 SSD on it which I plan to use for my Path of Exile installation

      It upped the cost significantly (total system cost is now $2913 ) but I should be set for a while.(I hope)

      The motherboard choice is kinda funny (at least to me) because my Intel 4770K system is also on an Asus ROG Hero VI board, too.

      --
      Sig Follows: "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain
    11. Re:549$ for a case? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Thats a nice list, But you seem like you would benefit from a RAID 5 array.. not so much loss of data. And if you have full control of the linux box, you should have no issue with it losing data like in the past. Other than that i think the HGST 8tb drives are still the absolute best drive available as far as failure rate goes.

      This is my first system with an M.2 slot, and i will never look back. That being said looks like you got one of the best of those also.

      When i originally purchased my setup I had the C6H board, It was fucking awesome! but I couldn't get it to boot with 2 video cards in it that were not identical cards, and after a week or two of waiting for bios update and trying everything possible to make it work... I returned it and got the Gigabyte board. Which worked great out of the box. Kind of wish I had an external clock on it. but sine I knew it was only temporary until this upcoming release was out I didn't mind too much. It is still a hell of an overclock board and has awesome VRM. I'm hoping asus brings out a new crosshair for x470, as that will probably be my board of choice when it happens. Their CS is garbage, but their motherboards and GPU's are great, high end stuff atleast. I had one of their headsets and on the 2nd day I got it it literally started on fire on my head. Here is a link to the pictures... https://imgur.com/a/mwJuq Wasn't very happy. To say the least, Motherboards and GPU's are the only ASUS item I will purchase anymore.

  13. POWER by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    You always have the POWER option from IBM. Although those boxes have the management systems out in the open. I'd love to do more with my POWER6 box but nobody writes optimized code for them. Hell they clock at 5Ghz and were designed for running Virtual Machines. The hypervisor actually partitions the memory and processor resources in the hardware. AIX runs well but nothing ever compiles on it. Linux runs decently but slower in comparison because nothing is optimized.

    --
    Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
  14. Re:Threadripper boards with IPMI? and 1p epyc bora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Threadripper is a desktop processor, I wouldn't expect IPMI. IPMI uses a special video card. On the other hand you can find SuperMicro single and dual processor motherboards for EPYC with IPMI: SuperMicro EPYC mostherboards.

  15. I am the only one?? by eclectro · · Score: 1

    I would expect that AMD would make some statement on how they plan on dealing with the Spectre vulnerability which their latest CPUs are vulnerable to.

    Don't ask me to buy your net generation CPU if it is vulnerable.

    --
    Take the cheese to sickbay, the doctor should see it as soon as possible - B'Elanna Torres, "Learning Curve"
    1. Re:I am the only one?? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Spectre is going to require a redesign of the CPUs for everything that does speculative execution. Someone commented that it might be enough to freeze the clock during speculative execution, but to me that sounds pretty major, and potentially crippling.

      OTOH, *so far* nobody has demonstrated a use of Spectre to break confinement, so it may be handleable in software. Perhaps without undue costs.

      But ALL the main chips are vulnerable to Spectre. Sorry about that. (I think someone said the Rasberry Pi chip wasn't vulnerable, and there are lots of older chips that aren't vulnerable. Like the i6502, or the z80. ... Well, OK, that's a bit extreme, but I'm not sure which SMP capable chips aren't vulnerable.

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  16. Still stuck in 3.x gigahertz ghetto. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not just AMD, but Intel too. Why the brick wall? Why can't these CPU clowns reliably breech 4 gigahertz, say 4.1 base 4.7 boost frequencies?

    AMD (and Intel's) numbers are hardly different from what was available 10 years ago.

    1. Re: Still stuck in 3.x gigahertz ghetto. by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      We get more cores instead.

  17. Re:Threadripper boards with IPMI? and 1p epyc bora by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

    Epyc is basically the server version of Threadripper. Threadripper and Ryzen are desktop only.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/c...

    --
    I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
  18. Might make a big splash by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    in gaming with the new APUs. They're not extraordinary, but they'll play dozens if not hundreds of older steam games at 60 fps and even some of the newer ones at 30 fps. If nothing else it'll be good news for Latin America which seems to favor the APUs (I think because of how their tariffs work).

    --
    Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
  19. Re:The specter of Spectre. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

    I'm pretty sure you'll get a free Spectre with every HP Spectre x360.

    --
    Ezekiel 23:20
  20. AMD Secure Processor now, not PSP... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And the recent exploit in it, if you can get motherboards before they are revised (making it difficult to replace with the older firmware images) has an exploit which gets you fTPM access to the TrustZone/Secure Processor core, allowing you to either poke around or close the holes in the TrustZone core, so long as you don't install a newer version of the bios for your board.

    Personally I would rather have cpu SKUs with no vendor key present and the ability to run unsigned or user/administrator signed, but it looks like this will be the best opportunity outside of spending an arm and a leg on IBM POWER gear this generation (for reference, the quad core IBM chips are only ~400 dollars each, but the TALOS II motherboard being referenced in 'Just buy POWER!!!' is 2300 dollars, making the total cost upward of 4000 dollars after including the minimum other components.

  21. AMD *is* unveiled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    English much?

  22. Re:Threadripper boards with IPMI? and 1p epyc bora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would you need those. There are plenty of ilmi solutions that connect to the outside of the system. Also 1p, why?

  23. Re:Threadripper boards with IPMI? and 1p epyc bora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IPMI on a consumer chipset doesn't make sense because normal consumer's don't need to monitor their computer from another computer. It's meant for servers and so it's present on server chipsets.

    Server boards with only a single processor probably don't sell well because companies are looking to host a lot on each server so they need multiple processors on the board.

    Basically you're asking for niche components that wouldn't sell well so AMD probably won't make them.

  24. intel has desktop class server cpus the E3 ipmi by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    intel has desktop class server cpus the E3 ipmi boards as well.

    Small nodes don't need a 2P system or even some thing like E5 (it's hard to find 1P boards for sale)

    Also a say I want an 1U file sever I don't need $2K+ for a 8 core 8 ram channel monster when I just need say a $1K-1.2K system with ECC and IPMI.

    1. Re:intel has desktop class server cpus the E3 ipmi by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      That is a good point. I have a server board (cheap, no IPMI) that can support Celeron and Xeon. In fact I had to buy a cheap Celeron so I could flash the bios to make it support the newer Xeon.

      I think the main stopping point for AMD is that Ryzen and Eypc are not pin-compatible. But I feel like they could make a socket that supported both desktop and server pretty easily.

      --
      I'm a good cook. I'm a fantastic eater. - Steven Brust
    2. Re:intel has desktop class server cpus the E3 ipmi by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      can support Celeron and Xeon-E3.

        Ryzen and Eypc are not pin-compatible???? EYPC is a lot bigger then Ryzen

    3. Re:intel has desktop class server cpus the E3 ipmi by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Just about 4x larger..

  25. intel has e3 xeon that is good for low end servers by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    intel has e3 xeon that is good for low end servers (say small site host) / some storage nodes that don't need a lot of power other them maybe more then pci-e X16. Sill X8 HBA card and X8 network can fit.

  26. CPUs tend to have a high resale by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    and I doubt Meltdown/Spectre will much change that. Heck, an i7 2600 + mobo will still set you back $150 on ebay and that's a 7 year old CPU.

    --
    Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
  27. Always cute when somebody says "plebe" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but uses a consumer toy operating system.

    Bro, do you even code?

    1. Re:Always cute when somebody says "plebe" by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

      I code in Assembly and have since about 1980. go away n00b.

      --
      Sig Follows: "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain
    2. Re:Always cute when somebody says "plebe" by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      I hope the ram you have is atleast 3000Mhz, youre better off with the highest speed ram you can get with ryzen. just a heads up. Other than that looks like a decent build.

    3. Re:Always cute when somebody says "plebe" by mandark1967 · · Score: 1

      It's the 3200Mhz RAM from GSkill. I originally wanted some Corsair Vengeance DDR4 but I've heard it has issues running at 3200Mhz with the Asrock X370 boards. (which is kind of odd since it's listed on Asrock's QVL list as compatible)

      --
      Sig Follows: "Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself." -- Mark Twain
    4. Re:Always cute when somebody says "plebe" by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      I have the Gigabyte AX370-Gaming 5. Corsair Vengence RGB(8x2) ram 3466 rated, without tweaking it i can only get it to run at 3200. but if I play with timings and voltage i can get 3466. All of the motherboard manufacturers are having issues with their boards because most of them didn't think AMD would have a product worth a large lineup.. And we are all paying for it now. I'm hoping the X470 boards have a little more thought put into them. That being said, I love my system and it has handled every task I have thrown at it. And from my experience Ryzen overclocks better than Deneb did.

  28. That is *precisely* Intel's anticompetitive strate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember when the Athlon came out, and there were no mainboards because Intel threatened all the manufacturers that they would never get an Intel chipset again if they sold Athlon mainboards?

    I had a real fucking hard time buying one anyway back then. There were only 4 (!!) boards even when faster models appeared, and 3 of them sucked.
    I bought from the 4th company.
    Which went bankrupt soon after precisely because of Intel!!

    So fuck I Intel forever! I'd bet money this is precisely the same thing again.
    After all, they got awa with their shit every last time. Like, every eight years, both US lobby groups ... err, I mean "parties".

  29. Because physics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The brick wall is real, but it has a rubber padding, so the more you push, the exponentially harder it gets.

    And "thanks" to psychopathic me-capitalism, IBM doesn't just share its 5GHz magic.