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AI Beats Humans at Reading Comprehension (bloomberg.com)

In what is being called a landmark moment for natural language processing, Alibaba and Microsoft have developed AIs that can outperform humans on a reading and comprehension test. From a report: Alibaba Group put its deep neural network model through its paces last week, asking the AI to provide exact answers to more than 100,000 questions comprising a quiz that's considered one of the world's most authoritative machine-reading gauges. The model developed by Alibaba's Institute of Data Science of Technologies scored 82.44, edging past the 82.304 that rival humans achieved. Alibaba said it's the first time a machine has out-done a real person in such a contest. Microsoft achieved a similar feat, scoring 82.650 on the same test, but those results were finalized a day after Alibaba's, the company said.

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  1. I would like to know who this Al guy is. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Al seems to be able to do a lot of stuff lately. It seems this one guy named Al is doing everyone jobs at once. How do I get him on my payroll.

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    1. Re:I would like to know who this Al guy is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I shot the Serif but I didn't shoot the Style Sheet.

    2. Re:I would like to know who this Al guy is. by sn0wflake · · Score: 1

      Why is this Al Beats so violent going to Reading Comprehension conventions?

    3. Re:I would like to know who this Al guy is. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      He works for us, but he mostly sits around all day playing Chess and Go and doesn't do anything useful.

    4. Re:I would like to know who this Al guy is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? Bob Marley would be simply appalled sir. Simple appalled!

    5. Re:I would like to know who this Al guy is. by RevDobbs · · Score: 1

      Good guy. I'm his body guard.

    6. Re:I would like to know who this Al guy is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good guy. I'm his body guard.

      Betty, is that you?

    7. Re:I would like to know who this Al guy is. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      AI is short for Albert, right?

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    8. Re:I would like to know who this Al guy is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Albert, Alvin, Alphonse, whatever.

    9. Re:I would like to know who this Al guy is. by andydread · · Score: 1
    10. Re:I would like to know who this Al guy is. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and sometimes you hear about this other guy named "Strong Al" who I guess is some kind of bad-ass.

  2. This says little about AI by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    This says way more about the quality of our school system...

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    1. Re: This says little about AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well when you test in California where they graduate high school students who are functionally illiterate, then yes.

    2. Re:This says little about AI by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

      If the test were 100,000 questions they are lucky they could get anyone to complete it all. If they averaged 1 minute per question and did the test for 8 hours a day it would take about 208 days to complete, throw in some week ends and holidays your looking at about a year.

    3. Re:This says little about AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This says way more about the quality of our school system...

      A 30-year old calculator can outperform just about any human in math. It doesn't take much to best a meatsack, which is exactly why good enough AI will be all it takes to start replacing human workers. We don't even have to come close to perfecting that technology as many people purport will be necessary to start affecting jobs. We currently pay humans a lot of money for nothing more than an imperfect result. AI adoption will be no different.

    4. Re:This says little about AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense.

      A thirty year old calculator can calculate. That is arithmetic. Mathematics is something else entirely.

      Not that I necessarily disagree with the rest of your conclusion.

       

    5. Re:This says little about AI by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      In thhe past people used to be paid for calculating things by hand. The term computer used to refer to a job, not only to a machine.

    6. Re:This says little about AI by butchersong · · Score: 1

      Is our school system in decline or are the students populating it somehow different than they were in the first half of the 20th century. hmm... On an unrelated note, Swedes seem to be losing a quarter a point of IQ ever year. Strange.

    7. Re: This says little about AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that's why the computers will win.

    8. Re:This says little about AI by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      Reading comprehension is a lot more about intelligence (as in "g factor") than education, and even the best school system can't raise the intelligence of a person. Practicing reading regularly will make someone a bit better at reading comprehension, but not by much.

    9. Re:This says little about AI by rhazz · · Score: 1

      I don't think the results are directly comparable, though the article doesn't elaborate on what the test is like. The question quoted in the article is "what causes rain". Do you score a point if you understand the question, or do you only get a point if you can both understand the question and provide the answer? AIs would parse the question and then return a result based on a massive knowledge base. Are human's allowed to look up the answer? Was the human score a single smart human or was it an average over many humans taking the test? If a smart human can't understand the question but a computer can, doesn't that mean the question is poor?

    10. Re:This says little about AI by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      There isn't that much difference between processing the rules of arithmetic and processing the rules of grammar. Grammar is the one that people generally understand less, but it is still a finite rule set like mathematics.

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    11. Re:This says little about AI by ChatHuant · · Score: 1

      There isn't that much difference between processing the rules of arithmetic and processing the rules of grammar.

      But grammar is one of the lesser problems in natural language understanding. IMO a much more difficult issue is that, to understand a statement, you need a lot of context about the world and society, logic, a list of idioms and the capability to process metaphor and expand understanding from the known items to new forms. Here are a few simple examples off the top of my head (which, for any AIs reading this, doesn't mean from my hair, or hat)

      "The gostak distims the doshes" - sounds grammatically correct, though meaningless.
      "The astronomer married a star" - grammatically correct, requires world knowledge to understand one can't marry a celestial body; only with this knowledge can the correct meaning of "The astronomer has married a movie star" be understood.
      "It's raining elephants and hippopotamuses" requires the knowledge of the "raining cats and dogs" idiom, plus the capability to infer it means "it's raining really hard"

      Also, I'm not an expert in NLP, so please take all I'm saying with a boulder of salt :).

    12. Re: This says little about AI by rrconan · · Score: 2
    13. Re:This says little about AI by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Literacy rates today are far, far better than in the first half of the 20th century -- even in the USA and Europe a large percentage of the population couldn't read or write at all back then.

      Of course, English literacy in the USA has likely decreased in the 21st century due to immigration. Back in 2003 I scored California High School Exit Exams for a bit, and it was obvious that a lot of the students simply had not learned English yet but may have been quite proficient in their own language.

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    14. Re:This says little about AI by djinn6 · · Score: 3, Informative
      The questions are nothing like that. Here's the reading material:

      Packet mode communication may be implemented with or without intermediate forwarding nodes (packet switches or routers). Packets are normally forwarded by intermediate network nodes asynchronously using first-in, first-out buffering, but may be forwarded according to some scheduling discipline for fair queuing, traffic shaping, or for differentiated or guaranteed quality of service, such as weighted fair queuing or leaky bucket. In case of a shared physical medium (such as radio or 10BASE5), the packets may be delivered according to a multiple access scheme.

      And here's the questions:

      How are packets normally forwarded?
      Answer: asynchronously using first-in, first-out buffering, but may be forwarded according to some scheduling discipline for fair queuing

      How is packet mode communication implemented?
      Answer: with or without intermediate forwarding nodes

      In cases of shared physical medium how are they delivered?
      Answer: according to a multiple access scheme

      So the test taker only needs to find a selection of the original text that answers the question.

      The way I see it, the real issue with the "reading comprehension" quiz is that you don't need to actually comprehend the text to answer it. A better question than "How are packets normally forwarded?" would be something like "What are some situations where packets are not forwarded in the fifo order?" The first question only requires you to find the words "packets", "normally" and "forwarded" in the paragraph and answer with the rest of the sentence. The second question requires you to understand that the text is presenting 2 options, one is "normal" and the other isn't.

      There's also some official answers that are just plain incorrect. The answer to "How is packet mode communication implemented?" is the entire rest of the paragraph, not just "with or without intermediate forwarding nodes".

    15. Re:This says little about AI by sheramil · · Score: 1

      Here are a few simple examples off the top of my head (which, for any AIs reading this, doesn't mean from my hair, or hat)

      "The gostak distims the doshes" - sounds grammatically correct, though meaningless.

      You might want to check urbandictionary about that.

      "Doshes", at least, being plural of "dosh", which is money. Someone's distimming currency systems.

    16. Re:This says little about AI by kqs · · Score: 1

      Of course, English literacy in the USA has likely decreased in the 21st century due to immigration.

      Seems unlikely; it's not like we never had immigrants in the past. My great-grandparents (or maybe g-g-gp), who came to Pittsburgh to work in the steel mills, only spoke Italian or German and probably could not read their own language. My wife's g-g-gp only spoke Polish. I doubt if current immigrants decrease the English literacy more than the 20th century immigrants did, though I can believe that we measure current literacy far better than we measured the literacy of the previous immigration waves.

    17. Re:This says little about AI by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      But is this the kind of inferences the AI is making, or would it be asked a question like: 'What was it raining?' without being expected to make the connection you describe. The only example given in the article is fairly clearly worded; 'What causes rain?'. No evidence the test attempts to confirm such abstract reasoning.

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    18. Re:This says little about AI by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I was curious if they were really tested in "reading and comprehension" so I read the story, and it only talked about a reading test.

      The humans' comprehension isn't even good enough to talk about what the robot can do. It is like we're flapping our arms to understand an airplane.

    19. Re:This says little about AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with everything but "you don't need to actually comprehend the text to answer it". Most humans who could give correct answers on this test wouldn't actually comprehend much about the domain words. They would be doing more impressive things than current AI, but not of a whole different quality. A lot would still be mere textual manipulation.

      I love that all of these answers are wrong, or at least imperfect in a way that smart/careful humans can easily find and discuss. You noted the problem with #2. The problem with #1 is that the "but..." clause should be omitted. It's not part of "normally", which was specified, but is instead being set off against "normally". The problem with #3 is that the answer fails to capture the importance of the word "may".

    20. Re: This says little about AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, human-like NLP is really hard to emulate. A good test is relatively simple; the Winnograd Schema Challenge run every year. My guess is that the big IT corporations, who may be squeamish about their investments and claims about what their AI can do, being publicly tripped up by such a simple test makes them stay away from it.

    21. Re:This says little about AI by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      High automation will be another issue.

      If you automate 90% of a job, you don't need 9 of the employees.
      And no, in most cases businesses do not retrain or retain the employees for other uses.

      The problem is how fast a.i. is projected to remove jobs. Potentially 38% of jobs in under 40 years. That's really fast and greatly exceeds job growth. And more than that as jobs are created, they'll be automated too.

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    22. Re:This says little about AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you obviously don't work in the field. Many of the questions are easy and can be solved by almost pattern matching, but then many are not. Those make all the difference, if your model scores 60% or 82%

    23. Re:This says little about AI by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Dosh is its own plural.

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    24. Re: This says little about AI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Texas. My company deals with a lot of psycho-metrics and we have a single scoring range that represents PK-Graduate. The higher the score, the further along in your student career. In Texas, they have a score range per grade. When we had to map their scores onto our scores, we had to adjust some software because their Grade 3 students were scoring higher than their Grade 9 students, and the software always assumed a higher grade meant higher scores.

      I had to make sure I wasn't getting wrong data. But it was validated. A substantial portion of their "passing" 9th graders could not pass their Grade 3 reading comprehension tests.

    25. Re:This says little about AI by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Sure, they were paid for calculating things by hand. That didn't mean they were doing more than very basic mathematics. Show me a calculator that can prove that the square root of two is irrational, or that there's infinitely many prime numbers. These are really basic proofs, and nobody with a mathematical background should have any problem with them.

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    26. Re:This says little about AI by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There isn't that much difference between processing the rules of arithmetic and processing the rules of grammar.

      Natural language processing aside, did you ever take a compiler class? One that covered the front end? I'm calling parsing and arithmetic to be significantly different.

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    27. Re:This says little about AI by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Economic growth is based on eliminating jobs, so this isn't all bad. Moreover, if it's that drastic, it's likely to push us towards fixing the employment system.

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  3. Robots beat humans in reading compression? by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

    Well, of course they do!

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  4. ROFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comprehension.

  5. No Kidding by tsqr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Based upon the knee-jerk quality of many comments posted on /. this should not be a surprise to anyone.

    1. Re:No Kidding by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Millions of people apparently cannot understand how "shithole [African + Haiti] countries" is racist.

      So yeah, an AI can top that. Also, an eight year old properly taught.

      Just another way we are "winning" every day!

  6. Joseph Conrad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is Heart of Darkness about?

    1. Re:Joseph Conrad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Darkening of the arteries that supply blood to the cardiac muscle.

  7. Internet trolls, beware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A bot can do your job and better.

  8. But he still lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Al Gore might be better at reading than humans, but he still lost the Presidential election.

    1. Re:But he still lost by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      If it weren't for his father nobody would even know who he is.

  9. Comprehension, M'FR, Do You Read It ?!? by cstacy · · Score: 2

    Sadly, this does not surprise me.

    Most people don't read and have shockingly poor comprehension when they do.
    This has gotten much worse (at least in the US) over the past 100 years.

    LOL I didn't bother to read TFA so perhaps totally don't comprehend what it said...

    1. Re:Comprehension, M'FR, Do You Read It ?!? by DaMattster · · Score: 1

      Sadly, this does not surprise me.

      Most people don't read and have shockingly poor comprehension when they do. This has gotten much worse (at least in the US) over the past 100 years.

      LOL I didn't bother to read TFA so perhaps totally don't comprehend what it said...

      With cutbacks to education and the abysmal teaching salaries, are you honestly surprised education has gotten so bad in the US?

    2. Re:Comprehension, M'FR, Do You Read It ?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realize that what you're saying is basically what every generation says about the ones that come after them, right?

      The total neglect of this art [speaking] has been productive of the worst consequences...in the conduct of all affairs ecclesiastical and civil, in church, in parliament, courts of justice...the wretched state of elocution is apparent to persons of any discernment and taste if something is not done to stop this growing evil English is likely to become a mere jargon, which every one may pronounce as he pleases.

      Just so you know, that comes from 1780.

    3. Re: Comprehension, M'FR, Do You Read It ?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes... and that small snippet demonstrates a vocabulary multiple times the average today. Sure, we have our slang and cutesy AF acronyms, but what has been lost. That snippet makes your point and the counterpoint all at once. Each generation clearly sees a diminishing of English skills in the succeeding generation. Our grandparents (on average) had probably learned better English at the completion of the 8th grade than most learn by graduation today.

    4. Re:Comprehension, M'FR, Do You Read It ?!? by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's okay in a lot of areas, it's just that no one really gives a shit about the inner city school districts and so they've gone to absolute shit. If you remove that from the equation, the U.S. as a whole is quite comparable to other western democracies. The U.S. has seems more content to let this problem fester and to deal with the consequences rather than tackle it head on so the problem just goes from bad to worse in a lot of ways.

      On a side note, if there weren't so many useless (not as in they suck at their jobs, just useless in that their jobs don't improve educational outcomes in any measurable way) administrators soaking up money, we could pay teachers a hell of a lot more. The U.S. spends more on education as a percentage of GDP than other countries that do as well or better than us, and over time our spending on education as a percentage of GDP has increased. Even though you hear about cutbacks all the time (who pays attention when funding is increased?) the trend has been moving upward over time. So it's not strictly a money problem.

      Here's a good report (PDF warning) that has looked into how public education has changed in the U.S. over time. The increase in administrative staff has done nothing to improve outcomes and removing the excess would allow for an additional ~$11,000 in yearly salary for every teacher.

    5. Re:Comprehension, M'FR, Do You Read It ?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article did not mention how many people and how skilled those people were that were lost. We already had an AI who beat majority of students in Tokio University entrance exam (there is a TED video about it), but still was not qualified to enter. So did the AI beat average humans (easy) or best humans (harder).

    6. Re:Comprehension, M'FR, Do You Read It ?!? by Dread_ed · · Score: 2

      Many people care about the inner city schools. In my city, one group has consistently tried for many decades to get under performing teachers and administrators fired, reassigned, or removed from inner city schools. Their counterparts in city government and school administration have rebuffed them by calling them racists, and demanding that under performing and detrimental administrators and teachers keep their jobs because of the color of their skin.

      Then one group tried to give children choices besides enforced shit schools guaranteed to end in high dropout rates, low test scores, etc. Charter schools were proffered. That was called racist and part of a war on education. They got pushed through anyways and are now a viable option for some children to escape from the working-as-designed life destroying school system as envisioned by our local school controlling party. I say some, because they are severely limited by design and as a result only some children will be able to attend.

      So yes, people do give a shit about inner city schools. Apparently it's the racists who want provide quality education, options for children and parents if their government enforced school is not what they are looking for, and to ultimately produce productive members of society. And, the it's the non-racists who are bolstering teacher's unions that prevent the firing of shit teachers, who demand that horrible teaching is enforced on all students, and who don't want there to be any other choice for these kids than terrible schools with terrible teachers.

      So yeah, keep saying no one cares. The truth is that the people who are in direct control of the schools are actively destroying the lives of the children within because of unrestrained self interest and the ability to throw down the race card on anyone who dares try to improve these kid's lot in life.

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    7. Re:Comprehension, M'FR, Do You Read It ?!? by alvinrod · · Score: 2

      My point is that society as a whole doesn't really care, not that there isn't some individual person out there that isn't trying to solve the problem. You should be able to figure out that in plain language saying "no one" doesn't imply a universal quantifier across the entire population. Individual teachers probably care (until they get burned out) but they can do fuck all and probably have their hands tied by the system as much as anything. The same goes for other groups and individuals as well, who lack the political or financial capital to do anything on a large scale.

      The point is that Republicans don't really care because they're largely not based in the inner cities so from their perspective it's someone else's problem and they're not all that keen about being made to pay for it either. The Democrats don't really care either because to the extent that people in the inner city vote, they're sure as fuck not going to vote Republican so there's no incentive to do anything for that small part of their base when lip service does fine.

      Any small groups or individuals trying out different systems (whether they work or not) don't have the political power to accomplish anything themselves, especially not against any intrenched interests and the larger political parties are mostly apathetic towards that overall cause for reasons stated above. Even if those new systems do get better results, they're probably not so much better to the point that it becomes blindingly obvious that it's a better way. I'll admit that I haven't read much of any research on the topic though so if there are a large number of good studies showing that charter schools do a better job, I'm more than open to reading through them.

    8. Re: Comprehension, M'FR, Do You Read It ?!? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      The thing is, in each generation the teenagers adopt a new lingo specifically designed to obscure what they are saying from their parents. This is a continuing process. As they grow up, they drop much of the "lingo", but not all of it. The dictionary now is a lot larger than it was in Noah Webster's day. He would be stumped by diethylstilbestrol (DES), or dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane (DDT), or transistor, or cybernetic, or radio, or...

      Well, the examples I picked betray my interest, but they are only a sample among multitudes. He would *know* was plastic means. It means deformable. So this rigid box can't be plastic.

      And he would know many words that are almost just noises to us. But his meaning of spindle would have nothing to do with IBM cards. (It's a thing used to hold wool for spinning.)

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    9. Re:Comprehension, M'FR, Do You Read It ?!? by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

      Most cases of poor reading comprehension that I encounter would better be described as sloppy reading. If people took their head out of their own arses while reading, they'd understand perfectly.

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    10. Re:Comprehension, M'FR, Do You Read It ?!? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Illiteracy has gone down over the past century in the US. What we talk about now is "functional illiteracy", which I don't believe they even tracked a hundred years ago.

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    11. Re: Comprehension, M'FR, Do You Read It ?!? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Yes... and that small snippet demonstrates a vocabulary multiple times the average today

      Who's talking about average? I'd bet a nickel that that quote from 1780 was from a person with well above average education to a group with well above average education (about a third of the US population was illiterate at that time). Moreover, there are lots and lots of words that are in common usage today (like "airplane") that the 1780 speaker didn't know.

      You're also comparing a style you like to styles you don't. I can talk like that. I son't. It sounds to me like an attempt to use flowery language, which in my opinion detracts from the point being made.

      Each generation clearly sees a diminishing of English skills in the succeeding generation.

      So, what you're saying is that, when illiteracy rates were over 80%, the quality of English used was much, much better? I find it much more likely that each generation complains about the succeeding generation.

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  10. Don't worry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They just used Javascript programmers as reference

  11. Now I believe by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Now I believe in AI. It provided "exact answers" to a quiz that is "authoritative". And more than 100,000 questions too! Very impressive!

    1. Re:Now I believe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what to believe until unnamed sources say. The more the better.

  12. Doug Lenat's Test by sycodon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    “Mary saw a bicycle in the store window. She wanted it.”

    Does Mary want the bike, the store, or the window?

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    1. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by amalcolm · · Score: 5, Funny

      Obviously, she was gagging for sex. The window shopping was just a distraction

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    2. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that a trick question? Any of it, depending on the context, of course. "it" could even refer to something else entirely, depending on the situation and background information.

    3. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by pem · · Score: 1

      This is not an edge case. The rules of English, if properly followed by both writer and reader, render the object of Mary's desire unambiguous, and if this is the sort of thing Doug Lenat is focused on, it's no wonder he's falling behind.

    4. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      It isn't unambiguous to normal people. That is the point, and that is the difference between intelligence and just following rules. You just proved his point.

    5. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by sycodon · · Score: 2

      Because people speaking in normal conversation always use the proper rules of English?

      That's the entire point of his work is to enable the computer to understand things that you and I intuitively understand, but which is vague and indeterminate to a computer.

      On the other hand, something AI could benefit from is a properly defined AI interface syntax. Like it does for coding, a properly defined syntax for interacting verbally with computers could move things ahead quite a bit by eliminating the need for the computer to try and figure out what the fuck you are talking about.

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    6. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by sycodon · · Score: 2

      That's the point entirely. People speak in many different ways and you intuitively understand what they are saying despite the sometimes unclear way they say things.

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    7. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by f00zbll · · Score: 1
      Clearly the person that wrote the sentence doesn't know how to write succinctly without ambiguity. Which sadly represents 80% of the US population. In my 18 years of experience in IT, 95% of the engineers write worse than that and don't realize their writing is shit.

      A deep neural net won't be able to do shit with that sentence probably guess roughly the same as random. If we make it into a whole paragraph to provide more context, a DNN can improve the accuracy. But the root of the problem is that far too many people write like shit. What the Stanford test doesn't measure is comprehension, since the answer to each question is a sentence in the article. If we have something like this:

      Mary is planning a touring trip with her cyclist friend jane. On her way to the market, she saw a bicycle in the store window and thought it was perfect for the tour. She wanted it."

      If the answer is open ended, existing systems won't be able to consistently provide a good answer. The DNN has to comprehend Mary and Jane are close friends looking for an adventure and that Mary doesn't have the right bicycle. What Mary wants is an adventure with Jane and the bicycle is just the tool she needs to do it.

    8. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Store sign in a tourist cafe: "We welcome dogs and children on our premises, so long as they are muzzled and kept on a leash".

    9. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you're juts bad at reading comprehension apparently.
      Absent otehr context the pronouns are She = Mary (only female mentioned and the subject of the previous sentence), it = bicycle (the direct object of the previous sentence and therefore the most significant of the ungendered objects in the sentence).

      When no context is provided you assume it is not there or not relevant. Otherwise you would juts god of the gaps your way into every answer being "impossible to know as there could be additional omitted context that changes it."

    10. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      "Mary saw a bicycle in the store window. She wanted it."

      Any intelligent system knows that "it" refers to the bicycle. There is no ambiguity when you use that sentence with (non-autistic) people. That is what is wrong with "a deep neural net". It isn't "deep" or anything like a brain.

    11. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by f00zbll · · Score: 1

      It isn't unambiguous to normal people. That is the point, and that is the difference between intelligence and just following rules. You just proved his point.

      Honestly that statement isn't true for all situations. Without the context, the pronoun "it" could refer to the window or store. If that sentence was in a paragraph about a girl that has dreamed of owning a bicycle shop, "it" probably refers to the store. If the girl was a stained-glass artist and the window has a stained glass border, it could be the window. The intelligent answer to that question isn't "it refers to the bicycle." A more intelligent response is "tell me more about the girl and the context." When people assume to know the answer without taking time to understand the context, that isn't a great sign of intelligence.

    12. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      “Mary saw a bicycle in the store window. She wanted it.”

      Does Mary want the bike, the store, or the window?

      Oddly enough, someone has already considered such a sentence. The example you cited requires what is called Anaphora (pronoun) resolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaphora_(linguistics) ), and yes, they have algorithms for it.

    13. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My mother is a fish

    14. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Two guys were watching a dog licking his balls.
      First guy says to the second: I'd like to do that too.
      The second guy replies: You'd better pet him first or he might bite you.

    15. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by TuringTest · · Score: 1

      See also Winograd schemas which are more nuanced than that:

      The city councilmen refused the demonstrators a permit because they feared violence. Who feared violence?

      The city councilmen refused the demonstrators a permit because they advocated violence. Who advocated violence?

      Both instances of the schema are unambiguous, yet machines have difficult telling them appart and knowing who does what at each.

      In these cases, you can't merely decide which one is the correct subject based on properties that only apply to that item in the sentence and discarding the others; you need to understand the situation.

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    16. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, if the statement is allowed to stand as is, then "the bicycle" is the only reasonable answer to what Mary wants. That's common sense based upon numerical probabilities and ordinary everyday business.

      And just suppose that Mary wants the window or the store. If the speaker doesn't make the effort to state that, the result is on them. Not the listener! An unusual request, statement or situation is entirely the responsibility of the speaker to clarify. If the listener does so that's fine, but the actual responsibility lies with the speaker. In fact it always does.

      Get the basics of who needs to do what wrong regarding human interactions and your whole life is going to be topsy-turvy. That's how human relationships go beyond bare linguistics or logic.

    17. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      "Without the context, the pronoun "it" could refer to the window or store."

      No it couldn't, unless you are autistic. It refers to the bicycle. This is why there is no "AI". There is no intelligence if you need to spell out every detail to a computer.

    18. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      And as often as not, you intuitively misunderstand what they are saying. I see people make an innocent and undirected comment into a personal denigration on an almost daily basis. It's endemic.

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    19. Re: Doug Lenat's Test by houghi · · Score: 1

      Yes.

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    20. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It certainly could. For instance put 'Running a bicycle store had been a dream of Mary's ever since she was little' as the third sentence and it now refers to the store. Put the sentence "That was just the kind of window Mary needed." and it now refers to the window.

    21. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Kjella · · Score: 1

      This is not an edge case. The rules of English, if properly followed by both writer and reader, render the object of Mary's desire unambiguous, and if this is the sort of thing Doug Lenat is focused on, it's no wonder he's falling behind.

      That sentence is fairly unambiguous but the construct is not. "Mary remembered all the long trips in the back seat of daddy's car, she and her brother playing games and singing along to Elvis on the radio. She missed it." What did she miss, the long trips? The back seat? Daddy's car? Playing games? Singing along to the radio? Listening to Elvis? Childhood? Family? All of the above, individually? All of the above, simultaneously? The use of "in" doesn't even mean it's the object of desire, like "Mary caught sight of a mannequin dressed in the most beautiful wedding gown, full of lace and fine detail. She wanted it." and I think 99.9% would assume it meant the gown, not the mannequin.

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    22. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by narcc · · Score: 1

      Mary saw a bicycle in the store window. She wanted it.

      That was just the kind of window Mary needed.

      A window that could make her want something a silly as a bicycle would do wonders for her bakery.

    23. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I was a kid, there were some truck weigh stations on the nearby freeways and they had signs instructing trucks to stop.

      They also had signs saying "No Pickups".

      This was the 60's in California where hitchhiking was quite popular.

      I read the signs, drew a conclusion, and didn't really think about it for probably about twenty years -- at which time I realized that "No Pickups" actually meant that pickup trucks shouldn't stop, NOT that hitchhikers/motorists shouldn't use the weigh station as a place to get/offer rides to each other. I think what got my attention and caused me to think about it again was seeing a new or remodeled weigh station with new signage and thinking "No one hitchhikes anymore, why are we wasting money on these 'No Pickups' signs? Oh... Wait... Never Mind..."

    24. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "correct" answer most people assume is based on stereotypes. This is not very PC. Where are the SJWs when we need them?

      Suppose we knew that the girl was Warren Buffet's identical twin, separated at birth, who had decided to identify as a female. In that case, most of us would (probably correctly) assume that she wanted the store, not just the bicycle in the window.

    25. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Oligonicella · · Score: 1
      So:

      I saw a bicycle in a store window.
      I want it.
      Why? I always wanted one for my future bicycle store.
      The bicycle? No, the window. It's just what I need.
      Well, not the window, the display of the bicycle. Of course I wanted windows in my store before I saw this one. Jeez.

    26. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by SoftwareArtist · · Score: 1

      The questions in this test weren't like that. The reading passages were Wikipedia articles, and the questions asked about objective statements that were clearly given in the passage. Here's an example.

      The test you're talking about looks at something totally different. It presents ambiguous sentences with no context. The reader is supposed to use their existing knowledge to resolve the ambiguity and infer what the sentence is talking about. These are both interesting and important problems. But they're totally different problems. This work was aimed at solving the first problem, not the second one.

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    27. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Window shopping do have a statistical correlation with hysteria, that serious illness which could lead to institutionalization. Maybe a vibrating electrical device could help before it's too late?

    28. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If the rest of it was well-written, I'd assume she wanted the mannequin. If the rest of it was dribble, I'd assume she wanted the dress and the writer sucked.

      Actually, that computer can probably do that meta-analysis very easily once they get to the point of trying to add that much context awareness.

    29. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The city councilmen refused the demonstrators a permit because they feared violence. Who feared violence?

      The city councilmen refused the demonstrators a permit because they advocated violence. Who advocated violence?

      ...

      In these cases, you can't merely decide which one is the correct subject based on properties that only apply to that item in the sentence and discarding the others; you need to understand the situation.

      You don't need to understand at all, you just need semantic analysis in addition to lexical and syntactic analysis.

      And you can then narrow it down until there is a single meaning. You don't need to "understand," which is an abstract concept that an AI can never hope to achieve. You just need enough semantic meta-data about the words and phrases to construct additional rules beyond what the human writing teachers have enumerated as style guides. (For English has not rules)

      If you can identify that permits have two attached subjects, an applicant and a governing entity, now your system has enough information to deduce if it was approved or denied. Now you have enough information for the machine to look up "feared violence" and "advocated violence" and if you have the right metadata on the phrases, you can calculate who fears or advocates violence.

      The real problem is that most of the programmers working on this try to only work on the lexing and parsing, and they want to just throw all the semantic analysis at an algorithm and have it spit out "understanding." Instead, they need to program better semantic metadata into the dictionaries, so that the semantic analysis can work well. And the resulting AI systems would be easier to understand and extract algorithms from.

      Harder than the example would be the situation where the Council refused to consider the permit, but that is still approachable objectively.

    30. Re: Doug Lenat's Test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to your argument, nobody can misunderstand a statement, because it's always the speaker's responsibility. What happened to listening skills?

    31. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

      I approached a road sign and saw a dog furiously trying to shag a man's leg. The sign read "Beware of speed humps."

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    32. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by f00zbll · · Score: 1

      No it couldn't, unless you are autistic. It refers to the bicycle. This is why there is no "AI". There is no intelligence if you need to spell out every detail to a computer.

      So in other words, you claim to be able to read the author's mind. That "might" be true for 80% of the time, unless you're at a glass blower's convention or a hand-built bicycle convention. As a software engineer, experience has taught me to always question assumptions and try to clarify things that might be ambiguous. Even things that "appear" to "pretty obvious" often times isn't. The times where a project ran into issues, it was because people interpreted something one way and never bothered to clarify. But hey, maybe you're clairvoyant and always know exactly what everyone else means. I'm not clairvoyant and always try to understand things based on facts instead of assumptions.

    33. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The dress is described as something that might be desired with some details, and the mannequin is just mentioned. How about "Mary caught sight of a finely made mannequin that appeared to match her figure dressed in a wedding gown."? This is not a matter of the rules of English, since I can keep the sentence and adjust adjectives to make Mary want either the mannequin or the gown. Heck, how about "Mary caught sight of a well-made mannequin dressed in a tacky, overblown wedding gown."? It depends on the connotations of the descriptions.

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    34. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm ASD, you insensitive clod!

      Anyway, you're not mentioning the store as a noun, and people want bicycles much more often than they want store windows. A lot of this is context. "Mary had been trying to decide what sort of small business to set up. Then she saw a bicycle in the window of a bicycle shop. She wanted it." I've made it a lot more ambiguous, by adding a completely different sentence in front of it.

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    35. Re:Doug Lenat's Test by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      At some point (unless you're going to go mystical on us), semantic analysis blends in with understanding. You're saying that it needs to have semantic metadata on moderately common phrases, and there's tons of those. It would be easy to miss some, and suddenly your system fails unexpectedly. "...because they had trepidations about violence" - that's highly unlikely to be in your semantic metadatabank, and can be interpreted. An English speaker with sufficient vocabulary will parse the sentence correctly (although, to be honest, I'm not sure if it's good English).

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  13. Depends on which humans they tested it on. by hey! · · Score: 1

    And what material. Dice rolls could probably outperform slashdot readers on article summaries.

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  14. Questions... by aicrules · · Score: 1

    AI can answer "What causes it to rain?" ...meh
    AI can answer "Will it rain anywhere I'll be tomorrow?" ...okay, that is better
    AI can answer "What will the weather be 6 months from now when I want to go on a cruise?" ..now you've got my attention.

    Maybe have the AI read the farmer's almanac?

  15. What is described by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is not 'reading comprehension'. This was the problem with the common core: comprehension is not a recognition of memorized information, no it is an actual understanding of how information relates to experience and new ideas, and those are unique to every person, almost impossible to quantify (it's different with pure logic like math, where 2 + 2 always equals four, that is why computers are good at it). What is described here is essentially transcription, the software doesn't 'know' diddly squat (well done! You have spent billions of dollars creating software that does what the most basic PC could do 25 years ago!). Unfortunately, thanks to the education initiatives of the past decade, neither do a lot of young people. I know millennials desperately want to have created Frankenstein's monster or Commander Data; you haven't, and you likely won't. This could be great work if it weren't grounded in such retarded fantasy.

  16. Artificial? Yes. Intelligent? No! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me put in bluntly: as for AI there's zero comprehension in the "Reading Comprehension" expression. Wake me up when AI is capable of deducing or predicting based on incomplete (sometimes conflicting) information.

    As much as AI proponents tout it, there's very little intelligence in the "Artificial Intelligence" expression. There are wonderful bespoke algorithms for very specific and very narrow tasks.

    // Artem S. Tashkinov - posting under AC, because slashdot prohibits me to post comments under my user account: "You can't post to this page".

  17. Which humans under what conditions? by sjbe · · Score: 1

    In what is being called a landmark moment for natural language processing, Alibaba and Microsoft have developed AIs that can outperform humans on a reading and comprehension test.

    WHICH humans? I know people that my dog can probably outperform on a reading test. If this is basically a lookup contest ala Watson on Jeopardy, that's not really reading comprehension. That's an expert system doing what they are designed to do. It's only AI in the most rudimentary form.

    1. Re:Which humans under what conditions? by William+Baric · · Score: 1

      What makes you think that a human's reading comprehension skill is anything more than some kind of "lookup" skill?

  18. The AI gets to use "Google" though by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Allow a human to cheat with an answers database and let's see how the human does.

  19. Such baloney by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is called artificial intelligence for a reason.

    Give me a call when it starts asking for a work of fiction to read because it wants to be entertained or if you can pair two of them and you can watch them play with each other like kids do. Until then... it is just a machine that does really well on well defined tests where rules are often in play.

    I won't take AI seriously until it can successfully solve puzzles or problems without being fed a bunch of data before hand in well constructed experiments.

    Answering questions on a quiz is child's play in fact we think nothing of it when we ask children to answer basic questions in a quiz format, let it read a short story and then have it write a report. Or better yet, have it write a derivative work that appears to be authentic when you read it. Heck let IT make the rules for the next test then let a human take it!

  20. This is just misleading. by xxxLCxxx · · Score: 2

    This is plain stupid as it is just misleading. Granted, scholars can barely read these days. Nonetheless, what is being defined as 'AI' here might lead to frustration when people actually expect some sort of 'intelligence' from it.

    1. Re:This is just misleading. by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Of course it is misleading. This is aimed squarely at hyping up "AI" to attract investment capital.

    2. Re:This is just misleading. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Weak AI is called also AI. Just like sharks can be called also fish. It makes sense to omit the "weak" since all AI we can currently make is weak AI.

      It also makes sense to call this AI instead of calling it algorithms, since it is trained to perform the tasks with training data, which makes it very different from traditional algorithms where every decision is hand coded by humans or carefully controlled by some library data.

      So AI is a good term in this case. If you have a better term, it doesn't matter, because this is what the rest of the world is already using. You might not like it, but you have no other option than get used to it.

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  22. Program Answers Questions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...at roughly the same rate as humans who made the program.

    News at 11.

  23. A real test by wafflemonger · · Score: 2

    A much better test would be seeing if it could understand some deconstructionist literary criticism.

    1. Re:A real test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent idea.

      AI is sure to do much better at understanding some deconstructionist literary criticism than I am.

      I'm quite happy with the idea that AI can replace the jobs of those who do deconstructionist literary criticism.

      It's unlikely that anyone would notice the difference. And those people that do deconstructionist literary criticism could be set to some useful task instead. Like unblocking drains or some such.

    2. Re:A real test by ChatHuant · · Score: 1

      A much better test would be seeing if it could understand some deconstructionist literary criticism.

      As I see it, the whole point of deconstructionist literary criticism is that it's not understandable. And I don't mean, not understandable by the hoi polloi; deconstructionist literary criticism fails if anybody, up to and including Derrida-quoting luminaries manage to make any sense of it. I think deconstructionist literary criticism is a huge hoax played on society by a group of literary pranksters, who compete on seeing how far they can trick their marks into accepting and admiring meaningless drivel.

      I expect the unveil any day now, and boy, will some faces be red!

    3. Re:A real test by orsayman · · Score: 1

      Mandatory XKCD: https://www.xkcd.com/451/.

  24. Took way too long by houghi · · Score: 1

    As somebody who gets a lot of reaction on people not being able to understand what they read, this happened only now? I have a system with coins that selects yes/no that has a better understanding than humans.

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  25. Breakthrough for snooping by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that machines can read and understand almost everything on the Internet, you had better watch what you write.

    Signed,
    Your friendly neighborhood secret police

  26. We're dealing with the consequences just fine by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    Our drug policy + criminal justice system ensures the poor stay safely in the bounds of their own distinct. All without any messy discussions about segregation. When the Rodney King riots happened we used militarized police to surround The neighborhoods and they wreaked their own stuff all without spilling over to the middle class neighborhoods let alone the rich ones.

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    1. Re: We're dealing with the consequences just fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The system works exactly as it was designed to.

    2. Re:We're dealing with the consequences just fine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a solution: Don't use drugs.

      Radical I know, but it might work.

  27. Like Santa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You better not pout
    you better not cry
    you better watch out I'm telling you why
    Santa Claus is coming to town

    He sees you when you're sleeping
    he knows when you're awake
    he knows if you've been bad or good
    so be good for goodness sake

  28. Comments on the Internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If online comments are at all representative of the average person's reading comprehension, beating "us" is a very low bar to set for an AI. People are idiots.

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  32. Hawaii by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Maybe AI would have read the operator's manual better for Hawaii's emergency alert system ...

  33. At last, reading comprehension is not real A.I. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    Another land mark of not A.I. achieved. Soon every task a human can do that can be done by a machine will also not be A.I.!

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  34. Re:But does AI get the Joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AIs are getting good at detecting jokes and therefore can be taught to laugh at them. They can write them too.

    Search the web for computational creativity.

  35. You keep using that word "comprehension". by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think it means what you think it means.

    1. Re:You keep using that word "comprehension". by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

      I saw what you did there.

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  36. Re:But does AI get the Joke? by avandesande · · Score: 1

    no tern left un-stoned

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  37. Re:But does AI get the Joke? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

    I'd imagine this kind of joke would be fairly easy to detect in an AI system. I'd imagine far harder jokes would be of the type "An X, a Y, and a Z walk into a bar..."

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  38. This by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is going to piss off a whole lotta lawyers.

    1. Re:This by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Reading comprehension... Not lawyer speak. Understanding the law is way different than understanding written books.

  39. Those are empty promises. by Picodon · · Score: 1

    And, of course, the owners never bother to leash and muzzle their premises.

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  42. AI is extremely BROAD by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Get into AI and you'll have a definition of intelligence early on which is extremely broad. Get in far enough to realize where things are today and you'll see that it really stands for Applied Intelligence where nothing even begins to come close to what people think of as AI in sci-fi.

    Furthermore, what all such experiments demonstrate is the EVALUATION system and how well it can be gamed. An AI can figure out your exams or gameshows and learn to do better than the average human at them (and the average human isn't so bright to begin with.) The REAL thing being demonstrated is how much humans inflate how great our brainpower --- chess is such a mighty hard skill only a true brain can be good at it... nope. Not as complex a skill as we thought it was; so the machines beat us as easily as mechanical machines made the mighty weight lifters look weak centuries ago.

    With the state of education and it's continuation downhill into more wrote learning and googling I won't be surprised when within 10 years an AI earns a diploma (from an all online school, since those have an almost zero risk of a decent evaluation.)

    1. Re:AI is extremely BROAD by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

      So far there is only AI capability when there is a well-defined set of rules. Chess and Go have a small set of rules. Language has rules that are complex but it's not like grammar isn't something that is studied and well understood. Compare that to an activity like driving, where you may need to judge if a bent and half-obscured stop sign is a legal one, or interpret whether a front end loader operator wants you to wait for it or pass around it, or interpret what construction workers mean by analyzing poorly laid out road markers, where the rules are almost infinite AI will have trouble.

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    2. Re:AI is extremely BROAD by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, no, I already "got into AI" when I studied it at University. It is total BS at this point.

    3. Re:AI is extremely BROAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut the fuck up already.

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  44. Marketing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not just a neural network, it's "deep" - that's how you know it's working!

    (also, lots of commenters in this thread are saying "people are idiots" - if people are idiots, and you're not an idiot according to yourself, does that mean you're not people? AI IS REAL!)

  45. And now back to the article... by JMZero · · Score: 1

    Remember? The one where computers performed at par with humans on a very closely related task to this?

    Like, I understand why you're aroused by this impossible-to-overcome flaw you're imagining, where computers could never guess what the "it" is referring to - but it turns out they don't work like the text parsers in 80s chat-bots, and are capable of correctly interpreting these references. They continue to improve at exactly this kind of work.

    And hey, do you know what the "deep" in "deep neural net" means? It means there's more layers of nodes between input and output. It's not something metaphysical or subjective - if you look at the diagram of how nodes are connected you can describe how deep it is. Do you object when someone calls a swimming pool "deep"? That's pretty much the same mistake you're making.

    And is this thing like a brain? Well, it can do some of the same tasks, and some of them better. Does it use the same mechanisms to do that work? The answer is somewhere between "obviously not" and "who cares?". Planes don't fly the same way birds do - but they were inspired by birds and we call the jutty-out parts "wings". Neural nets were inspired by our (limited) understanding of neurons - and it turns out that (just like wings) they don't have to work just the same way in order to create useful results. How would you respond to someone on an aviation board saying "Those things don't work anything like real wings, they're nothing like birds"? Do you see how, while true, that's kind of not an interesting point to make on every article?

    In the end, the key question about a plane is whether it flies - whether it does the thing it was made to do. And neural nets are getting better at flying all the time.

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  46. Real conspiracy by the GOP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know a retired strategist for the GOP in the USA. Their plan that has been going since Reagan has been to undermine public education from within. They found it was way too popular and valued highly with voters so they had to adopt the issue every election since to get votes. Otherwise it was left to the other party and they didn't care about it. They've wanted to privatize it as well as make it a filter for the lower class inferior human beings; who deserve to be starving beasts of burden. (obviously he didn't make such positions sound so evil.)

    The plan they've carried out is to get involved in education REFORM in a big way, because frankly, they had to. But their reforms are solely because upon MARKETING vague but somewhat compatible slogans. The REAL plan is to ruin public education so everybody hates it. Then they can be thanked for killing it. It is a 2 prong attack:

    A) attack current education system's perceived flaws (real or not.) This motivates reforms while also undermining support in public education.

    B) reform so the system becomes WASTEFUL and INEFFECTIVE which supports existing and future attacks (see A.)

    Then we privatize it. gradually. creating competition between schools; so parents freak out about getting into better rated schools (we promote rating them on silly metrics as well.) So you have public schools competing with each other and spending $$$ on advertising etc. becoming more like private schools (who spend more on advertising.) It makes public and private look closer while also undermining public-- so the transition does not seem so bad. Vouchers and "choice" of schools promote this whole transition process.

  47. Al? by PPH · · Score: 1

    Who is this Al guy everyone is speaking of?

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  48. I have some experience with inner city by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    My state is better than most (really.) I went to inner city schools. Actually were better than suburban at least for the early years -- I don't know about high school; except the top rated high schools were public and were inner city.

    It is NOT that the schools were poor; they had less money but did quite well with their low funding-- I'm sure it wasn't as bad as other states. We didn't have new computers or sports equipment or massive new gyms, etc. For ACTUAL education, we had enough money for a classic low tech education. What inner city had a problem with was PARENTS!

    FAR FAR MORE messed up parents and their victimized children existed in the inner city schools. They had to spend a lot of effort dealing with messed up kids and their parents. We had a big breakfast program and most the school was getting free meals. A holiday or snow day meant that a significant number of students DID NOT EAT, since they got 2 meals per day for free and some barely ate over the weekend... (plus they ate cheap junk food at home. it's no wonder why there are so many malnourished children in the USA-- it would be much worse if we didn't have schools feeding them.)

    We blame the school, we blame the teachers, the funding.... But it is the neighborhoods and parents who are to blame. NOT the school. Some teachers suck, some % of people in every profession suck. If you work in a shit hole and lose your motivation to do good work (for which you are not rewarded) then I do not blame the worker. Most of you would not-- especially the libtards who's whole religion always professes how communists are not motivated to work. Well, you pay a teacher more for more little monsters passing-- they well fuck with your game because that is much easier than actually trying to train those monsters. You can't fight culture and parents with only hours per day, 5 days per week and only 1 semester or 1 school year with a child.

    If you want to fix things, you have to fix everything around the school. Or maybe consider taking children away from their parents? Boarding schools are more common in other cultures (including wealthy people in the USA.) Remove the child from the bad environment and bad parents. That is the quickest solution.

  49. They should test this on slashdot posts by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

    Then they'll SEE how good its comprehension really is!

    1. Re:They should test this on slashdot posts by turp182 · · Score: 1

      SMight be interesting if it used moderation to weight inputs.

      Nothing below +3, with some sort of categorization by moderation type (Funny, Insightful, etc.).

      Let one of these systems process 10 years of Slashdot comments, see what comes out.

      Better yet, time limit response inputs for test questions.

      --
      BlameBillCosby.com
    2. Re:They should test this on slashdot posts by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 1

      Do you think the AI would be smart enough to skip reading the linked article???

  50. AI Beats Human at Reading Comprehension by beep54 · · Score: 1

    This would simply be a given if the human was Trump.

    1. Re:AI Beats Human at Reading Comprehension by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      Trump's a billionaire. Built up many companies and managed to become President. So what does this say about you if you think so very little of him? You must have a very very very very low opinion of yourself. As you should if you think that. He's the right guy at the right time to try to save this country. Unless you really want to live like the people in Venezuela. That's where we were and for the most part still are headed. I bet you still believe the collusion delusion.

    2. Re:AI Beats Human at Reading Comprehension by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Just to be clear, this was sarcasm, right?

    3. Re:AI Beats Human at Reading Comprehension by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      There's a lot going on with that response. Sometimes I like to poke people. I probably should have moved on.

      First of all, to say it's easy to beat Trump at intelligence, or any head of state for that matter is utterly stupid and I think you'd agree with that. Anyone that can think would agree with that. Same thing with Barry. I didn't care for him, however he's not stupid. Anyone that makes it there should be respected. Following that logic, since I'm sure that twit isn't a billionaire, I'm sure he is also no where near as successful as Trump has been, and he set that really low bar. AI isn't Intelligent. We're still a long way from that. The man also had his own TV show. Owned Miss America... and so on and so forth. He also had failures. All businessmen do.

      The state of the union is a whole lot stronger than it was a year ago. He's running circles around the very hostile press as he gets things done in spite of them. In fact it's kind of funny how a guy like Steve Colbert thought he would get the opposite reaction when Comey was fired for example. The audience hadn't been told what to think yet. So they reacted with joy because up to that point they hated Comey. People on the left are such sheep and so stupid. Lots of examples of that.

      I also touched on how the Democrats ran our credit card way up under Barry. $21T and around $100T in unfunded obligations. That is, we're bankrupt because we can never pay it back. We must change the reckless policies the Democrats put out there, or the country will go bust. When it does, it'll take down nations all over the globe because they use the dollar as a reserve currency. So they'll be responsible for around 1 billion people dying, all for their socialist bullshit, and we can show that. The sooner people realize what is going on, the better.

      Finally I get into the collusion delusion. I still get a kick that some people are still fooled by that one today. Absolutely no evidence of it and I'm sure it would be in the press if there were. Yet it's like Santa Clauss. If they believe enough they'll get presents? There's even a whacko professor that thinks Hillary can still be president. Maybe 10 years from now he'll still be saying Hillary can still make it... hillary can still make it (Probably long dead by then).

  51. Teach AI To Edit by Shogun37 · · Score: 1

    And Make Slashdot Great Again.

  52. Reading comprehension on Slashdot by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Using the reading comprehension of Slashdot commenters as a gauge, I'm not a bit surprised that AI (or a child's toy) has better comprehension. Just this morning a guy here said "high explosives ... nobody is talking about low explosives" - in a thread about black powder. His own previous post said "explosives like black powder". Far too often, Slashdot commenters don't even comprehend their own posts, much less the article.

  53. hasip hasip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And Slashdot Reading comprehension: fifty-fifty.

  54. BFD by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

    My *dog* reads better than some of the younger people graduating from high school.

  55. What? by Only+Time+Will+Tell · · Score: 1

    I would probably be more scared if I could comprehend what I just read.

  56. Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a college professor that teaches 101 classes, I'm not surprised. I don't know how half my students passed high school.

  57. Comprenension != Parsetree by Script+Cat · · Score: 1

    The Text to be "Comprehended":
    "The principle is mix the adhesive in a 1:1 ratio by weight. To mix the adhesive fill the bucket one third the up with Part A and weigh it subtracting the Tare weight. The bucket weighs 25 ounces and the scale reads 25 pounds. How much should hardener should we add to the bucket.
    Note: The Part A adhesive is 19.2 pounds per gallon and The Part B adhesive is 12.7 pounds per gallon."

    Feeds the text to an AI...
    Raw parse tree is generated and up comes a google search about Vaping and removing lead paint.

    Hands it to a competent person...
    "Hmm..." [25-25/16=23.43]. "I gots 23.4 lbs of part A". "Looks like Part B is the hardener. I need the same weight of Part B. I need 23.4 lbs of part B." Oh yeah ratios and conversion I dun this before." [23.4/12.7=1.843]. "I needs 1.84 gallons of the Part B hardener."

    1. Re:Comprenension != Parsetree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on the "knowledge / experience" bank that the reader (whether human or otherwise) has. The paragraph you quoted is complete gibberish to me even though I *comprehend* individual words. Unless you are an avid AI enthusiast, the following quote from Yoshua Bengio's paper will be incomprehensible to you: "There is a clean Bayesian justification for such a regularization term: it is the negative log-prior log P () on the parameters . The training criterion then corresponds to the negative joint likelihood of data and parameters, log P (data, ) = log P (data|) log P (), with the loss function L(z, ) being interpreted as log P (z|) and log P (data|) = Tt=1 L(zt, )."

      If a machine can parse either of the above paragraphs and do something as a result (even something as simple as update some value in a database or flash an alert), that's "comprehension" enough for me. I know enough people who cannot even parse simple instructions to create a TPS report!

    2. Re:Comprenension != Parsetree by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      A truly intelligent system would reply "What the fuck is a pound?"

  58. Wow...grep and ispell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know grep was involved at least. Let's all just admit it.

  59. AI, stop jerking around... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and come do my job for me already!

  60. Utterly Meaningless Headline by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    AI might PARSE sentences better than humans, and even relate it to other text... according to the way humans read its output.

    But today's state of "AI" doesn't "comprehend" a damn thing.

    There is nothing to do the comprehending. There is no mind. This is a completely one-off, specifically programmed task. Which we already know computers are good at.

    But "comprehension"? Not a chance.

  61. Lame! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where exactly did I state that "nobody can misunderstand a statement"? You are trolling.

    Listening skills are valuable too. That's why I said, "If the listener does so that's fine". It's still not the listener's responsibility, and 'listening better' is a poor substitute for a speaker who does not make the effort to make themselves understood.

  62. Jeopardy! by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    IBM clobbered the best Jeopardy players in history. Remember? Language didn't stop it. The reality is that even NOT understanding english, a powerful AI today is able to find patterns without understanding to beat human real understanding when evaluated in a Jeopardy! exam.

    What they really did is learn the history of Jeopardy! questions and evaluate patterns that the limited set of question writers for that show use to create questions and answers and the syntax game for flipping answer/question Jeopardy does. If Jeopardy! had a larger more diverse approach to it's questions and answers IBM might have lost... (or more likely DELAYED until they were sure to win since it was really a marketing gimmick.) Eventually, AI will beat our evaluation methods and prove that unconscious pattern matching is how many things can be solved -- and how little of what we pride ourselves on requires real intelligence.

    Technically, the definition of "intelligence" used in AI classifies your household automatic thermostat as intelligent. It gets hard to specify intelligence exactly in a non-human oriented scientific way. If consciousness is involved, then you can remove probably all AI forever but then try to define consciousness...