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Ajit Pai's FCC Can't Admit Broadband Competition Is a Problem (dslreports.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from DSLReports: While the FCC is fortunately backing away from a plan that would have weakened the standard definition of broadband, the agency under Ajit Pai still can't seem to acknowledge the lack of competition in the broadband sector. Or the impact this limited competition has in encouraging higher prices, net neutrality violations, privacy violations, or what's widely agreed to be some of the worst customer service of any industry in America. The Trump FCC had been widely criticized for a plan to weaken the standard definition of broadband from 25 Mbps down, 3 Mbps up, to include any wireless connection capable of 10 Mbps down, 1 Mbps up. Consumer advocates argued the move was a ham-fisted attempt to try and tilt the data to downplay the industry's obvious competitive and coverage shortcomings. They also argued that the plan made no coherent sense, given that wireless broadband is frequently capped, often not available (with carrier maps the FCC relies on falsely over-stating coverage), and significantly more expensive than traditional fixed-line service.

In a statement (pdf), FCC boss Ajit Pai stated the agency would fortunately be backing away from the measure, while acknowledging that frequently capped and expensive wireless isn't a comparable replacement for fixed-line broadband. "The draft report maintains the same benchmark speed for fixed broadband service previously adopted by the Commission: 25 Mbps download/3 Mbps upload," stated Pai. "The draft report also concludes that mobile broadband service is not a full substitute for fixed service. Instead, it notes there are differences between the two technologies, including clear variations in consumer preferences and demands." That's the good news. The bad news: the FCC under Pai's leadership continues to downplay and ignore the lack of competition in the sector, and the high prices and various bad behaviors most people are painfully familiar with.

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  1. Because it's not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's all the collusion that is a problem.

    1. Re:Because it's not by Xenx · · Score: 1

      It may not be the only problem, but lack of competition is very much a problem.

    2. Re: Because it's not by Xenographic · · Score: 1

      A lot of places don't have that much competition to choose from. And many of the choices end up being kinda crappy. We really need both ways to increase real competition and to stop the ISPs from controlling who can visit what online, or we'll end up with some nonsense like long distance internet charges in a generation.

    3. Re: Because it's not by supremebob · · Score: 2

      In my area, we have Comcast for cable (eww), Frontier for VDSL (that tops out at 24 MB/sec, and doesn't even qualify as broadband given the current FCC rules), or some sort of overpriced satellite or cellular connection with an insanely low data cap. Frontier is near bankruptcy, and hasn't attempted to improve their network in our area (coastal Connecticut) since they bought it from at&t a few years ago.

      So, basically the choices in my area are Comcast or shit. You know that they're bad when Comcast comes out as the only good option.

      I'm still wondering when the municipal gigabit broadband connections are coming. The state promised investments in this a few years ago, but nothing ever came of it. It seems that Google Fiber is vaporware as well.

    4. Re: Because it's not by EvilStein · · Score: 1

      "I'm still wondering when the municipal gigabit broadband connections are coming."

      They've probably been banned, thanks to Comcast.

      That's something that I would love to see just go away. There's no reason whatsoever that municipal broadband projects should be banned anywhere. NO reason at all, other than "Comcast and their campaign contributions."

      My power company should be able to provide internet access if they want to, for example.

    5. Re: Because it's not by ananamouse · · Score: 1

      >My power company should be able to provide internet access if they want to, for example.
      Hold on. Have you seen what broad band over powerlines does to the HF spectrum? That is not just frumpy old geezers operating their ham radios but there is also medical equipment among other things that get wiped out by it.

  2. Smell Smoke by jwhyche · · Score: 2

    Ajit Pai couldn't admit his ass was on fire even he smelt smoke.

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    1. Re:Smell Smoke by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      Because when he's bought, he stays bought. I guess there's a twisted sort of integrity there, but it's not a good thing.

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    2. Re:Smell Smoke by gorbachev · · Score: 1

      That's not fair. If Verizon asked him to admit it, he would.

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  3. Ajit Pai is an industry shill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ajit Pai is an industry shill. He will not admit to anything that is not in the interest of his industry masters.

    Why is this so hard to understand ?

  4. Pai's FCC knows broadband competition is a problem by Burdell · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And they're doing everything in their power (and beyond) to stamp out such competition.

  5. None of which has anything to do with NN by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    NN would not give us more ISPs. It would not have a diversity of companies laying cable.

    And absent more choices in who are our ISPs are from the wire up level... it is pointless.

    To solve the problem we need Right of Way for poles and conduits. Absent that, this is just monopolists arguing for their monopoly.

    The corporate monopolists want to be the only people that are allowed to run cable in the last mile and the socialist monopolists merely want the government to monopolize it.

    The only non-monopolist option is Right of Way to poles and conduits.

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    1. Re:None of which has anything to do with NN by Xenx · · Score: 2

      Net neutrality via FCC didn't solve all of the problems. However, it was a stop-gap for a few big problems. All other factors being equal, we are better off with net neutrality than without. The right solution would be to fix the problems before getting rid of it.

    2. Re:None of which has anything to do with NN by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      Fix the right of way to conduits and poles and the problem goes away.

      Everything else is a sad argument for one monopoly over another. They're both toxic.

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    3. Re: None of which has anything to do with NN by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      Poles and conduits should be like roads... with any company able to gain access to it by following some reasonable regulations and paying a reasonable and equally applied access fee.

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    4. Re:None of which has anything to do with NN by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      I knew you'd be here somewhere, spouting your nonsense.

      You keep saying "over the years", as if the NN rules were in place for decades. It was only 2015! Where was all this crap you're talking about over the 20 years that I had broadband before 2015? I think this might be the 3rd time I've asked you this exact question.

      You're going to have a lot of crow to eat when in another decade rural communities still don't have broadband. Add another to the list!

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    5. Re:None of which has anything to do with NN by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      But that's a little like saying:

      "Feed the people and hunger will no longer be a problem."

      Sounds nice. Means very little.

    6. Re: None of which has anything to do with NN by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      Why roads are publicly operated instead of privately operated is well understood and contrary systems have not shown themselves to be effective at actually maintaining and operating robust transport infrastructure as regards roads.

      As to the existing system being the same as my proposition, nope. If you want to run last mile cable you generally cannot unless you sign a franchise license agreement which amoungst other things tends to obligate you to provide internet access to a set area and tends to require that free ISP service be provided to certain parties etc. There are a whole series of agreements that actually are not reasonable and are clearly not reasonable.

      This is not comprehensive but two very common conditions for franchise license are that you provide access to the full scope of the territory that the regulating authority oversees. So for example, if you have a city or a county that is under regulation, to gain a franchise license, you often have to provide access to everyone in that territory if you want to provide service to anyone at all. This is a little like saying you have to build 1000 sandwich shops in a city if you want to build 1. It is not reasonable and is one of the many reasons why only very large companies ever get franchise license agreements.

      A more reasonable position would be that service must be provided along the route that wires are run by that a service provider can decide which poles or conduits to run service through and is not obligated to run them otherwise than their desires.

      This would allow given service providers to pick and choose which areas they wanted to serve. Smaller companies could compete by taking on smaller service areas and incur less capital expense. What is more, new service could be concentrated where it is needed rather than being required everywhere at once at roughly the same level. This would allow very high quality service in areas that demanded and could pay for it whilst more modest investment in areas that have more modest abilities to pay.

      The second condition that franchise agreements tend to have to satisfy is free service... typically to government buildings. Just as it is unreasonable for the government to get free food from local businesses, free power from local power utilities, it is unreasonable for them to get free internet access. This is however typical of franchise agreements. Generally it means free internet to schools, the police, city hall, etc. Demanding free service in exchange for a license to obtain the right to run and operate cable is obviously extortion.

      The policy I'm proposing here is not a failure. It has not been attempted. I also don't think you appreciate what actual franchise agreements look like.

      If you want to learn more about them, ask me and I'll provide some links for you.

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    7. Re: None of which has anything to do with NN by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      No, it's normal, not unconstitutional. When you buy land you generally have a strip you're allowed to maintain but are required by law to give allow utilities to have access to. Those are the laid out in the deed. It's how utilities work, they wouldn't be able to wire up your neighbors otherwise if you chose to be an asshole and prevent them from having access.

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  6. For those of you wondering why they backed down by rsilvergun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    it's because the Republicans can't afford to piss off rural voters. The US system of government gives them a disproportionate amount of voting power and their interests don't often align with the city voters, making them a prime candidate for politicking.

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    1. Re:For those of you wondering why they backed down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Also, can't get all that youtube & facebook propaganda out to those impressionable voters if they don't have sufficient bandwidth.

    2. Re:For those of you wondering why they backed down by AHuxley · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Every citizen gets a vote. Why should the party politics of a few elite coastal big cities get to disenfranchise all the people in states all over the USA?

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    3. Re:For those of you wondering why they backed down by AHuxley · · Score: 1, Troll

      Did the years of new NN rules and federal rule changes bring about new innovative community networking all over the USA AC?
      Did existing telco network monopolies stay protected from competition thanks to NN rules?
      Could some private sector state and city competition build better networks once federal NN rules got lifted?

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    4. Re:For those of you wondering why they backed down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Every citizen gets a vote.

      But not all votes are equal. And that is where the problem lies, because in aggregate, a vote for congress in a rural district has more influence than a vote in a city.

      In 2016, 45.2 million Americans cast a vote for a democratic Senate candidate, while 39.3 voted for a republican, but the senate still went 52/48 for republicans.

      Same thing with the house of representatives, republicans got less than 50% of the popular vote, but still won more than 55% of the seats.

      BTW, this same phenomenon happens even more strongly in state legislatures where republicans from rural districts regularly vote to over-ride local city-only policies like minimum wage, transgender bathroom usage and, apropos to this topic - 21 state laws to quash broadband competition.

    5. Re:For those of you wondering why they backed down by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Those poor powerless people! It's so horrible our system of government gives them a voice!

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    6. Re:For those of you wondering why they backed down by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Nobody's arguing for that. What they're arguing for is that a small group of rural voters shouldn't get to disenfranchise the vast majority of voters, who are non-rural.

      The majority of Americans are no where near as right wing as Congress. We have a right wing congress solely because the system weighs the votes of those outside of cities as more important than those within them. That's not right, and needs to stop.

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    7. Re:For those of you wondering why they backed down by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      The only reason people like you make this argument is because you're happy with the result.

      I've never lived on the east (or west) coast. It's NOT just them. Most of us live in big cities. Why should we be "disenfranchised" (to use your term) by voters in Wyoming whose vote carries more weight than mine?

      I believe the reason we cannot rid ourselves of the electoral college is because too often it has benefited one party over the other. And while the east and west coasts certainly helped push Clinton over the top as far as the popular vote goes in 2016, it only took a few counties and a few thousand votes to push Trump over the top in the EC.

      Why should the party politics of 70-80 thousand rural voters in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania get to disenfranchise all the people in the states all over the USA?

      But that's not right either. People all over the US voted for both Dems and Republicans. It wasn't just 3 counties. It was people all over the US. Like you said:

      Every citizen gets a vote.

      And I say it's time to start counting them equally. We're not a loose confederation of states anymore. We're a united country. I've freely moved among several states as have many others. My loyalty is to the USA, not to the state where I was born or even currently live in.

      No, I'm not trying to overturn the last election. Those were the rules then. We can change things in the future though.

      And why do you use the term "elite"? Do you think people on the East Coast are "elite"? I certainly don't. Sure, some of them are but you'll find elite people right in my town near the middle of the country as well.

      And is being "elite" a bad thing?

      Do you wear your (perceived) inferiority as a badge of honor?

  7. Re:There is no problem. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

    And yet, Charter / Spectrum decided it would be a good idea to raise my bandwidth to 230 mbit/sec and charge me less than I was paying for 60 mbit.

    Maybe they understand simple economics better than you think. A regional telco has been rolling fiber here, and it's got the cable company improving service without increasing price... sounds like competition might actually be a thing, and may actually be paying off for the subscribers.

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  8. Re:There is no problem. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

    Some areas have competition, some areas do not... Compare the service between those areas.

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  9. Re: Are we doing this again? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    AC then run for local political office. Do a great job and run again for city and state level.
    Allow locals to do community broadband and design the networks needed. No more federal NN monopoly rules to hold back community broadband in a city, state.

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  10. Sweet promotional deal bro by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    Too bad your temporary discount doesn't reflect actual competition. Every consolidation of ISPs results in their creating a patchwork of non-competition. The isps are actually more in coordination on availability with each other than they are with you.

  11. Re: Are we doing this again? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

    Allow locals to do community broadband and design the networks needed.

    What does that have to do with NN?

    No more federal NN monopoly rules to hold back community broadband in a city, state.

    NN does not restrict community broadband efforts. It restricts what the big players can do with traffic. And that just might include what the big players do with traffic that passes through, oh say, community broadband efforts.

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  12. The ultimate solution by kilodelta · · Score: 2

    Is rule saying the last mile is a public right.

  13. Re:Ajit Pai was brought to the FCC by Obama... by dszd0g · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, Obama technically appointed Pai, but he didn't pick him.

    In November 2011, Obama appointed Jessica Rosenworcel for the Democratic seat and Ajit Pai to the Republican seat. Ajit Pai was picked by Mitch McConnell who was minority leader at the time. Only 3 FCC commissioners may belong to the same political party.

    I don't really understand how much say the president has over the seats belonging to the other party. In practice, I believe the senate leader of the other party picks them, but I don't think that is a requirement by law. However, even if it isn't the law and the other party is in the minority, you can only piss them off so much without grinding things to a standstill (Trump hasn't figured this out).

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  14. Re: There is no problem. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    You would discover if you explored history, that the people who advocating shooting for ideological reasons have generally been the brownshirts.

  15. Re: There is no problem. by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

    Odd that it took the threat of competition to get better service.

    Meanwhile Spectrum just increased my cost by $10/ month with no benefit and in the evenings the bandwidth is shit. My only other choice is frontier dsl.

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  16. Re:Broadband competition. by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    Essentially its local Governments granting monopolies to companies in exchange for money and promises. This isn't an issue that can be solved at the Federal level, since it does not cross State lines. This is a local Government issue, with the Government having too much control.

    I have a choice of exactly ONE broadband provider - Spectrum (cable). It is good and affordable (400 Mbps down, ~35 Mbps up, 3 TVs, wife has ~200 cable channels, for about $160 per month) but my other alternative is Windstream ADSL at 1.5 Mbps symmetric. That's it, unless I want poor satellite coverage (Frontier is around, but it's a patchwork and they do not service my area). And it's because the local Governments (Ventura County, Oxnard, Ventura, Port Hueneme, Camarillo) granted monopolies to the providers.

    It's not so much a free market when the Government picks who can even participate in that free market, and then restricts your options to essentially one. It's more of a fascist thing - Government deciding for you what's best, then enforcing its will via regulation and the power of law to shape the market.

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  17. Regulation won't solve this by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 1

    This is an engineering problem at it's core. Right now, you have cable and DSL. Both are physical infrastructures and both need to secure rights of way. Until you remove that physical limitation, you're not going to get a bunch of ISPs willing to pony up the cash to not just buy and install all the equipment but to pay fees for the rights of way.
    The solution is long range mesh wireless. Note that wifi exploded onto the market because it operated in the unlicensed (translation: unregulated or free of charge) frequency ranges.

  18. Surrrrreeeeee by DewDude · · Score: 1

    I have......one option for wireline broadband where I live...Comcast and Verizon. I have to get Verizon because they are the only ones willing to run lines back to my house. Comcast says my house is "too far from the road" and outright refuses to connect me unless *I* foot the bill for it.

  19. Consumers by ruddk · · Score: 1

    According to his video, you can still be a good little consumer.

  20. Upton Sinclair nailed it. by nerdonamotorcycle · · Score: 1

    “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

  21. Re:Broadband competition. by ZosX · · Score: 1

    Its more complicated than that. The UK also has the advantage of having a high population density in a small constrained area.