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Rupert Murdoch Pushes Facebook To Pay For News To Guarantee Quality (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Rupert Murdoch, the media billionaire who controls the Wall Street Journal, called on Facebook to begin paying publishers fees to carry the news that its users post and share online in a sign of the print industry's growing frustration with social media. "If Facebook wants to recognize 'trusted' publishers then it should pay those publishers a carriage fee similar to the model adopted by cable companies," Murdoch, the executive chairman of News Corp. said Monday in a statement. "The publishers are obviously enhancing the value and integrity of Facebook through their news and content but are not being adequately rewarded for those services." "Facebook and Google have popularized scurrilous news sources through algorithms that are profitable for these platforms but inherently unreliable," Murdoch said. "Recognition of a problem is one step on the pathway to cure, but the remedial measures that both companies have so far proposed are inadequate, commercially, socially and journalistically." Murdoch, who also leads 21st Century Fox, called for a system similar to that in cable television, where large distributors like Comcast and AT&T pay fees to the TV network owners that attract their viewers.

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  1. Come on by mrclmn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do the world a favour Rupert and just die already.

    1. Re:Come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I doubt the evil he currently stands for will stop with him. His organizations will continue as usual as long as they bring in the money.

      But the headline does raise a question.
      Have Murdoch ever indicated that he is capable of providing quality news? He seems to only push tabloid "news" that are more lies and gossip than not.

    2. Re:Come on by lucm · · Score: 1

      NPR is probably the most unbiased and go-to radio news source

      I guess in the process of being an unbiased news source NPR forgot to report that the former NPR CEO confessed that NPR has a liberal agenda. And the guy doesn't talk about a conspiracy, but simply of NPR being a liberal echo chamber. See:

      When you are liberal, and everyone else around you is as well, it is easy to fall into groupthink on what stories are important, what sources are legitimate and what the narrative of the day will be.

      https://nypost.com/2017/10/21/...

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    3. Re:Come on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      At this point most news organizations have lost credibility.

      A lot of them are bad, but it appears to be mostly because of laziness.
      Sometimes you see other newspapers print something that was reported by RT without doing any form of verification if the info was correct.
      That is how lies and propaganda finds its way into most newspapers.

      When it comes to Murdoch he directly instructs his "journalists" to not do research and instead pushes information he knows is incorrect.

      Anything Murdoch touches really takes a dive to the bottom.
      You can pick anything that he doesn't have his hands on and it will likely be a better alternative.

      If you can't see the difference you should probably not vote, but I guess you do, consistently for the same party while claiming that "they are the same"

    4. Re:Come on by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Cunt should've died fucking years ago. I love that he think he knows 'quality' news. You won't find a paper he owns that contradicts his wankerish views on anything, ever.

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  2. Rupert Murdoch and Quality News? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the same sentence?

    Is that supposed to be a joke?

    There's a reason we call it Faux News.

    1. Re:Rupert Murdoch and Quality News? by youngone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Rupert also owns The Sun. Rupert also spends more time and effort influencing governments than the Russians.

    2. Re:Rupert Murdoch and Quality News? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Both Russia and Rupert have similar motivations: break up large western countries into fractions. For Russia, it's to prevent opposition to their reforming the USSR (well, in size). For Rupert, it's to better manipulate the populace and make money.

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    3. Re:Rupert Murdoch and Quality News? by mjwx · · Score: 2

      Rupert also owns The Sun. Rupert also spends more time and effort influencing governments than the Russians.

      This is what I was saying about Brexit. It was propaganda from the leave side... but the Propagandists weren't Russian. We know damn well who they were and that they weren't Johnny Foreigner.

      Murdoch hates the EU, he was once said (I'm probably paraphrasing a little):
      "When I go to Washington, they listen. When I go to Whitehall, they listen. When I go to Brussels, they ignore me".

      Murdoch is quickly losing his position as kingmaker... and it's about damn time.

      However the consequences of the likes of Fox News and the Sun disappearing from Facebook are? And nothing of value was lost, some racist Rednecks may actually be forced to read some credible news for once and if I really get the desire to see some page 3 girls... there's no shortage of unprotected profiles of Peta, 23 from Essex... hashtag selfie.

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  3. Slow to post by Pop69 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sorry, I was laughing so much at the idea of Murdoch and quality news being in the same sentence that I passed out...

    1. Re:Slow to post by epine · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I was laughing so much at the idea of Murdoch and quality news being in the same sentence that I passed out...

      I was too busy picturing the Australian supervillain Cyberswine swinging into battle on a long rope, emitting a leather-lunged battle cry of "scuuuuurilouusss".

    2. Re:Slow to post by i286NiNJA · · Score: 3

      What's his point? In 2018 nobody would read shitty news sites and see their crap ads or promote murdoch's political agendas without social media.

    3. Re:Slow to post by lucm · · Score: 1, Funny

      What's his point? In 2018 nobody would read shitty news sites and see their crap ads or promote murdoch's political agendas without social media.

      Correct, except it's not just murdoch's political agenda, it's also the clinton agenda which currently dictates headlines in mainstream media (case in point, russiagate).

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    4. Re:Slow to post by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      Horse shit, Trumpster.

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    5. Re:Slow to post by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Over a year after Clinton lost and with her being largely an irrelevance now, and you are still blaming them for the media's interest in POTUS's possible links to Russia? This is a pretty lame conspiracy theory.

      I know she was an warmongering crook, literally hitler and all that, but it's a bit much blaming her for Trump's problems in 2018.

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    6. Re:Slow to post by zlives · · Score: 1

      i quote
      "." "Facebook and Google have popularized scurrilous news sources through algorithms that are profitable for these platforms but inherently unreliable," Murdoch said. "Recognition of a problem is one step on the pathway to cure, but the remedial measures that both companies have so far proposed are inadequate, commercially, socially and journalistically.""

      all this is valid criticism of Facebook and google.
      it of course does not take away from the hypocrisy of "fair and balanced". If these statements were made by Times, or Guardian or washington Post... they would be just as valid.

    7. Re:Slow to post by lucm · · Score: 1

      Over a year after Clinton lost and with her being largely an irrelevance now, and you are still blaming them for the media's interest in POTUS's possible links to Russia?

      Yes.

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    8. Re:Slow to post by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should blame Muller. When he interviews Trump it's going to be a media circus, 24/7 non-stop.

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    9. Re:Slow to post by lucm · · Score: 1

      Maybe you should blame Muller. When he interviews Trump it's going to be a media circus, 24/7 non-stop.

      Clinton launched this idea as a hail mary to bury the embarrassing contents of the leaked DNC emails. I don't think they expected this to snowball that much, but for all intents and purposes I suspect Trump himself isn't too angry about this. Think of it; it's a bullshit story - after a year if there had been anything there it would have rocked the white house already - and it keeps the haters busy who otherwise would have been looking for something else to freak out about.

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  4. Build a Wall by jblues · · Score: 4, Funny

    Brilliant. It will be like building a wall between the consumers and a fair and balanced view, and making the consumers pay for it.

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    1. Re:Build a Wall by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      Brilliant. It will be like building a wall between the consumers and a fair and balanced view, and making the consumers pay for it.

      So... why not take this idea then? That way we can tell facebook to shove it and not pay him, thus blocking his news articles from showing up.

      To me, it seems like a great idea, Murdoch requires payment, facebook doesn't pay, Murdoch blocks facebook, everyone benefits.

  5. Rupert Murcoch is the definition... by blahplusplus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... of fake news. I love this bullshit that mainstream media has been pushing. The reality is the elites have lost control of the public mind and don't like it.

    1. Re:Rupert Murcoch is the definition... by fafalone · · Score: 1

      If only the public mind translated to the publics votes, it might be worth something. (R) or (D) the country is still controlled by the elites, and they even elected the worse of the two for house, senate, and presidency, because trickle down will surely work this time if we just give the ultra-rich a little more and get rid of the brown people interfering with that. Nope, the elites are still firmly in control and people continually vote against their own interests, thanks to the little 'us versus them' side show the media is doing.

  6. Re:So... by gravewax · · Score: 2

    with Rupert you already get the best news money buys. To be fair though I can't think of any news source that is independent of financial or political influence, just Rupert's organisations bias is so blatantly obvious it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. Most of the media long ago sold out.

  7. We don't negotiate with Australian Terrorists by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    And I actually buy a print copy of the WSJ once or twice each week.

    Just say NO!

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  8. Fox News is a beacon of journalistic integrity?? by riley · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And we are supposed to believe that the owner of Fox News is the guardian of quality information presented in an unbiased format? Really?

  9. sounds like sour grapes by nimbius · · Score: 2

    from a guy who bet the world on traditional media, paywalled all his assets, and cant seem to figure out why he cant monetize news the same way he did 40 years ago.

    buying your news doesnt guarantee its quality, only that there will be money to produce more of the news youve chosen to consume. Independent editors, journalists, and newsrooms all ensure quality news but Murdoch wouldnt know anything about that as hes spent his life famously buying these outlets up and transforming them into nothing more than neoconservative political bullhorns.

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  10. If anyone did journalism, I'd probably pay for it by Riceballsan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Right now it seems like we've got 2 real camps for news. The mainstream media, which 99% of the time their extent of "journalism" is to read the press releases/talking points of the corporations, politicians, political parties etc... that help fund them, and expend zero resources finding out whether any of it is actually true or not. Then we have the wild west of free media. A world where they take the same press releases, then pull out of their ass whatever interpretation and guesses they can make from that fit the bias's of the target audience. Neither type is worth the pixels on the screen they are written on

  11. Babbys first troll by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

    Sasha's first day on trolling job, please go easy on him.

    1. Re: Babbys first troll by M0j0_j0j0 · · Score: 1

      Ah ah epic

  12. Because Rupert Murdoch epitomzes quality! by GerryGilmore · · Score: 2

    Seriously, that is some 100% Pure, Organic, Dolphin-Free QUALITY Bullshit he peddles. You gotta hand him that.

  13. Re:You're a disgrace to trolls. by theweatherelectric · · Score: 2

    How exactly is he in the US? He's an australian.

    Murdoch became an American citizen in 1985.

  14. Re:Fox News is a beacon of journalistic integrity? by Powercntrl · · Score: 2

    And we are supposed to believe that the owner of Fox News is the guardian of quality information presented in an unbiased format? Really?

    During the election, I actually had no trouble finding Fox's coverage of the same stories Trump supporters refused to read because it came from the "biased liberal media". Of course, once I posted a link to Fox, they still wouldn't read it, because that's cognitive dissonance for you.

    Heck, it wasn't even that hard to find an article on Breitbart where they're not exactly singing the praises of Trump's tax plan. But I'm sure those drinking the kool aid just see it as an acceptable casualty of making sure the country isn't ruined by those damned snowflake liberals, or something like that.

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  15. Re:Fox "News" by lucm · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Meh. We have yet to see right-wing snowflakes in real life; meanwhile they're a dime a dozen on the liberal side.

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  16. He doesn't get it by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

    Rupert doesn't get it. The news companies that he owns are some of the perpetrators of the fake news. Facebook paying him when facebook's users post a link to something isn't going to improve the quality.

    It would make him some extra cash, but it wouldn't improve anything other than his bottom line.

  17. Re:Fox "News" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What are you talking about? We saw several hundred in Charlottesville, about 200-300 in the Shelbyville/Murfreesboro TN protest, and a handful more at other rallies. You can't see the snowflakes because they are white and blend in with the natural snowflakes. Try harder, n00b.

  18. Re:Fox "News" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Donald Trump is a right wing snowflake who whines and threatens to sue when he is triggered by good journalism.

  19. Re:Fox "News" by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

    Meh. We have yet to see right-wing snowflakes in real life; meanwhile they're a dime a dozen on the liberal side.

    Here you go: On Campus, Trump Fans Say They Need ‘Safe Spaces’

    Lots of dimes and dozens on both sides.

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  20. Re: If anyone did journalism, I'd probably pay for by ljw1004 · · Score: 1

    BBC does real journalism, as you describe it.

    They have a huge network of reporters around the world, embedded in the local cultures for years at a time, picking up the kind of fascinating news stories that I don't see elsewhere.

    Listen to the programme 'From Our Own Correspondent' for a taste. US listeners don't need to worry. Most of what's covered hasn't reached the US level of attention needed to give it partisan spin yet...

    True there are other bits of the BBC that don't do real journalism as you describe. But anyone who decides to attack that side of it as a means to attack the real journalism is being pointless.

  21. I'm confused... by wardrich86 · · Score: 1

    I mean, the people publishing news under the Murdoch empire are getting paid, and yet, there's no precedence for quality there.

  22. But does he have a point? by sabbede · · Score: 1
    I see a lot of knee-jerk flaming, so let's forget who said it and just ask if maybe he's on to something.

    If money was changing hands, would it help the "fake news" problem on facebook?

    1. Re:But does he have a point? by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      You can buy fake news as well as real news... but I'd say that if you've chosen to pay, at least you're going to choose what you're paying for.

      So if Facebook had paid news feeds, you'd have some confidence that they were feeds Facebook had approved. What that is worth depends on your assessment of Facebook.

    2. Re:But does he have a point? by coofercat · · Score: 1

      I'd argue it'd make the problem worse (although as an ex-FBer, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about).

      If the only 'reliable' news sources (as marked by FB) were actually paid for, then FB would probably avoid chosing the more expensive ones if they could. Thus, the only 'reliable' sources of news will be the cheap ones. "Cheap" and "reliable" aren't usually synonymous.

      For example, let's say both the BBC and Fox News have coverage of (say) Trump's 30% tariff on solar panels. The BBC generally do a pretty good job of being as unbiased as possible (although sometimes don't go very deep into a story), whereas it's generally thought that Fox are rather biased and partisan (and some say unreliable, erroneous etc).

      Now, one of my friends posts a link to the BBC and another to the Fox coverage of the same story. Of all the people that view those two posts, exactly 50% click on one but not the other, and so both get the same number of clicks. However, the BBC costs FB $0.01/click more than Fox, and that news is starting to go crazy-viral and it looks like it's spreading throughout FB rapidly. FB would (obviously) realise that if 50% of their users click the BBC link, it'll cost them hundreds of thousands more than if people clicked the Fox links. As such, the Fox one gets surfaced more than the BBC.

      Now, if you're the owner of a crappy news outlet like Fox, then you're doing very well - even though you're cheaper than the BBC, you're making more money than them. You've also managed to get your skewed view of the world in front of more eyeballs, and maybe had a few secondary clicks and whatnot too (all at the expense of the BBC).

      As the outside observer, does this sound like a good outcome? Is it better than what we have now?

    3. Re:But does he have a point? by sabbede · · Score: 1
      If they were paying for certain sources, it's likely they would also mark them, distinguishing them from literal fake news (ads/BS that look like news reports).

      Though I also assume that more than anything, Murdoch wants to get paid. Doesn't mean he doesn't have a point, but it is certainly worth noting.

  23. Wallstreet content should be free then to users by lightningstorm53 · · Score: 1

    If facebook ends up paying for Wall Street Journal content, then the full content should be available to all facebook users. Not just a couple sentences like it is today.

  24. Re:Fox News is a beacon of journalistic integrity? by coofercat · · Score: 1

    Fox News - as watched (and regularly praised) by the US President!

    Tells you all you need to know ;-)

  25. congratulations by lucm · · Score: 1

    If you can't see the difference you should probably not vote

    There we go.

    Step 1: only allow people who think like you to vote
    Step 2: force people who don't think like you to wear a visible mark on their clothes
    Step 3: start sterilizing them

    You lovely tolerant liberals have started your journey to pure evil, and to the bitter end you'll keep thinking that you were right. What a bunch of self-righteous hypocrites.

    Used to tell people like you to go to hell, but lately I've started to wonder if we're not there already.

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  26. Re:Fox "News" by lucm · · Score: 1

    Either way, Trump IS a motherfucking snowflake.

    He's not. You're corrupting the meaning of words in your quest for insults. Donald Trump is a liar, a ruthless businessman, and tacky as they come. But he's not a snowflake, or a nazi, or a dictator.

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  27. Re:Fox "News" by lucm · · Score: 1

    snowflake

    Idiots like you who use "snowflake" as a generic insult are like fat girls who start wearing yoga pants; just ruining a good thing for everyone.

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  28. Re:Fox "News" by VisceralLogic · · Score: 1

    So what's wrong with that? Leftists needed safe spaces. It seems like you're arguing against your own side. How's it OK when you do it, but suddenly wrong when others do it. I really do not understand.

    He didn't say there's anything wrong with it; he said they're snowflakes, which the parent asserted do not exist on the right. If you need a "safe space," you're a snowflake.

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