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NSA Deletes 'Honesty' and 'Openness' From Core Values (theintercept.com)

An anonymous shares a report: The National Security Agency maintains a page on its website that outlines its mission statement. But earlier this month, the agency made a discreet change: It removed "honesty" as its top priority. Since at least May 2016, the surveillance agency had featured honesty as the first of four "core values" listed on NSA.gov, alongside "respect for the law," "integrity," and "transparency." The agency vowed on the site to "be truthful with each other." On January 12, however, the NSA removed the mission statement page -- which can still be viewed through the Internet Archive -- and replaced it with a new version. Now, the parts about honesty and the pledge to be truthful have been deleted. The agency's new top value is "commitment to service," which it says means "excellence in the pursuit of our critical mission." Those are not the only striking alterations. In its old core values, the NSA explained that it would strive to be deserving of the "great trust" placed in it by national leaders and American citizens. It said that it would "honor the public's need for openness." But those phrases are now gone; all references to "trust," "honor," and "openness" have disappeared.

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  1. They're being honest about one thing.... by DewDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They never cared about any of that shit before...they're just now being open about the fact the only thing they care about is fucking the american public and violating our foruth admendment rights.

    this government is invalid.

    1. Re:They're being honest about one thing.... by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Funny

      Out of all the people in government, those are the only ones?! Amazing!! How did you find out about it?

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    2. Re:They're being honest about one thing.... by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Insightful

      By all means! If you've got evidence that anything even APPROACHING the behavior on display under Obama was done by, say, Bush (like the Clinton campaign and DNC paying a British operative to compile a fictional narrative from Russian operatives to use as a phony excuse to get a FISA warrant to eavesdrop on political rivals) ... then by all means, let's hear it!

      Yes, the narrative that Trump was working with the Russians to "hack the election" and whatnot is, indeed, a delusion. The entire notion was trotted out as a feeble excuse for why the Democrats' insanely bad choice of candidate lost the election. You know it, we all know it, and even the highly partisan Clinton-supporting FBI guy who got her off the hook on her felony mishandling of classified information knew and said there's no there, there. Yes, fantasy delusion. The people who are still saying, "Trump's going to prison for treason with the Russians!" started out looking silly, and have been going farther off the rails ever since.

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    3. Re: They're being honest about one thing.... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What we now know, as of this moment, is that you are a moron. For the rest we'll have to wait for Mueller to complete his task. Well that, and we know Trump is out for himself and doesn't give a fuck about anyone but himself. Time will tell with regards to the consequences of his sociopathaty fueled by the ignorance of dumbfuck like yourself.

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    4. Re: They're being honest about one thing.... by ScentCone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can always tell when someone is uncomfortable with things like the testimony from Fusion GPS and the other related information that's right in front of them - because instead of addressing the actual facts and substance of the matter, they go right to the childish, lazy, craven "you are a moron" ad hominem in order to demonstrate their mastery of the matter. Well done! The evidence you've provided to show that the Clinton campaign, DNC, Fusion GPS, and related records available for your own perusal are in fact fiction - well, you're very compelling, I must say. I especially like your use of "ignorance" and "dumbfuck" to characterize people who didn't want to vote for the wildly corrupt, serially lying Hillary Clinton to put her and her husband back in power after they'd already enriched themselves to the tune of millions of dollars selling access while in office.

      I know, you LIKED that about her. You wanted the Clintons back in power because even though they are corrupt liars, they were your kind of corrupt liars. It is funny, though, for you to be railing about sociopathy (even you can't spell it) on Trump's part, while pretending that Clinton's actual acute case of it wasn't one of the reasons that millions of two-time Obama voters turned their backs on the Democrats a year ago. But please, carry on with the vitriol, the ad hominem, and the meltdown hysterics - because that sort of fit-having and display of hatred towards others is exactly why the Democrats lost nearly a thousand legislative seats, both houses of congress, most of the governorships, the White House, the Supreme Court, and a lot of good will from millions of their own party members. Please, more! You've been doing excellent work so far. Ramp it up as much as possible before the mid-terms, if you don't mind. Be sure to keep telling people they're morons - that works wonders. Pro tip: you should try telling millions of women that they're "irredeemably deplorable," too. They love that. Always makes them want to vote for the person you insist they vote for.

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      Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
    5. Re:They're being honest about one thing.... by funky49 · · Score: 2

      Joni Mitchell.

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      --- rapper/producer/bachelorette party stripper
  2. Honesty dictated removing those words by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's nothing "open" about a spying agency, and to be effective spies they need to be dishonest (at least in the field).

    I just hope "respect for (US) law" is really still a thing over there. Things don't look so good over at other agencies...

    1. Re:Honesty dictated removing those words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Posting Anonymously for obvious reasons. Many many years ago I did some intelligence work. I would be completely honest about who I was, who I worked for, why I needed the information and what I wanted. I never once had someone who was unhelpful to me. They might not have given me everything that I wanted but even then they might forward me to someone further up who would help. Respect, honesty and saying please goes a long way.

    2. Re:Honesty dictated removing those words by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      A diode that blocks current in both directions is defective.

      Absolutely wrong.

      There's TVS protection diodes that use the avalanche effect which do exactly this.

  3. Refreshing by ScentCone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, now their mission as a surreptitious spy agency dealing with lots of information they can't talk about is no longer being lied about on a PR page. Good. That earlier silliness is especially ironic, given its presence during the previous administration, which appears to have been using that agency's tools against domestic political rivals. Yeah, that was all warm-and-fuzzy "being honest with one another" and "completely transparent" behavior. Unless the agency's executive branch bosses didn't like you, in which case it was the exact opposite. Not that that's the NSA's fault, as an agency - that's entirely on their then-management in the White House, and those in the White House granted the power to troll through signal intelligence and the ability to unmask citizens from their collected communications. Here's looking at you, Susan Rice.

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    1. Re:Refreshing by fustakrakich · · Score: 3

      Yeah, well, you know, when a country puts itself so high up the *freedom, truth, and justice* pedestal, you might expect them to play the part, but I guess that's asking too much in the game of battling empires.

      So now it's Highlander. There can be only one

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    2. Re:Refreshing by tbannist · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's always interesting, when you're deliberately doing everything you can to ignore the facts in front of you (there's no need to unmask names like Kislyak's, because the NSA provides that in clear text for their audience - it's the US citizens associated with political rivals that Rice was gunning for) that your first reaction is to start obsessing about homosexuality. What an odd reaction on your part. I understand that you can't trouble yourself to deal with the facts, because you don't like where those facts point. But what's with your fetish, here? Have you considered getting some help with how to communicate about unrelated matters while keeping your sexual fantasies out of the conversation?

      Rice has already testified about why she unmasked those people who turned out to be Trump associates. Before they were unmasked she wouldn't have known who they were, and unmasking isn't the same as publishing their identities. They were unmasked because they met with an important foreign dignitary who had chosen not to notify the American government that he was travelling to New York. The U.S. Government does have a legitimate interest in knowing what a foreign dignitary who is making an unannounced visit is up to. But you don't have to take my word for that, you can take reported words of the Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee:

      "I didn't hear anything to believe that she did anything illegal," Republican Florida Rep. Tom Rooney told CNN of Rice's testimony.

      South Carolina Rep. Trey Gowdy, who is one of the lawmakers spearheading the House investigation, told the Daily Caller "nothing that came up in her interview that led me to conclude" that she made inappropriate unmasking requests.

      "She was a good witness, answered all our questions," Rep. Mike Conaway, the Texas Republican who took over leading the House Russia investigation after Nunes stepped down, told CNN. "I'm not aware of any reason to bring her back."

      That's three Republicans, who are in a better position than you to judge the matter, who seem to think their is nothing to your accusations.

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      Fanatically anti-fanatical
  4. Big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please tell me how an agency which violates the constitution and spies on Americans can be allowed to exist? They're worse then the sexual assaults the TSA illegal does daily.

    1. Re:Big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Citation - https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/fourth_amendment

      It doesn't take Rand or Ron to read the 4th amendment and tell that the NSA and TSA are regular violators.

    2. Re:Big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Okay, you haven't been. A lot of women have been touched inappropriately. Regardless of the sexual aspect of it, a government agency searching you for boarding a plane in and of itself is a violation the 4th amendment. If it were a private agency, then we can deal with it. Heck, but security where you board. Then we could have two airlines, AMERICAN Airlines with no searches and SISSY Airlines for those that are afraid. Problem solved.

    3. Re:Big surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      so you think secret fisa courts with secret gag orders that you aren't allowed to challenge are all constitutional?

    4. Re:Big surprise by rogoshen1 · · Score: 2

      how do those boots taste?

    5. Re:Big surprise by lgw · · Score: 2

      "their persons and papers" .... it still takes a warrant to pull the NSA data.

      I want to live in a country where a US citizen can't be spied on without a warrant. I don't want to live in a country where the government spies on everyone as a matter of course, but pinky-swears not to look at the data unless they need to.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
  5. And this means what? by bobbied · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe these things should simply be assumed and don't need to appear in every mission statement know to man?

    I know folks will make this into "See They don't CARE about being honest! They took it out of their mission statement!" but I think that's a bit of overreach. Maybe they just assume that honest and ethical activity is always required and they want to highlight what the organization actually does in its mission statement, not how they do it.

    And if you think about their activity... Openness and transparency might not be a good thing to put in a mission statement where it could be misconstrued by individuals in the organization dedicated to the clandestine collection of information.

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    1. Re:And this means what? by houghi · · Score: 2

      Privacy is something that is assumed. In fact it is assumed so much that is is not even included in most things, because it is obvious.

      Without privacy all other rights are nullified as they become meaningless.

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      Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
  6. Not exactly a long-held core value by Lucas123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since at least May 2016 (whoa... that long!), the surveillance agency had featured honesty as the first of four "core values" listed on NSA.gov. They're being more honest now by not attempting to deceive people into believing that they'll open about their work above other values, such as "commitment to service." Just because they removed the feel-good language doesn't mean they'll not continue to be working in the nation's best interests and within the law. But, publications need page views, and this is certainly click-bait worthy.

  7. It's an improvement by RJBeery · · Score: 2

    It's much more dishonest to speak about honesty and transparency when they aren't actually embraced to achieve your mission.

  8. Oh, the irony! by jenningsthecat · · Score: 5, Funny

    By removing honesty and truthfulness from their mission statement, they are being honest and truthful - perhaps more so that ever!

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  9. It's like making warrantless searches legal by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    It's not a change in protocol, it's just admitting what has been reality for a long time.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  10. Retrospective Acknowledgement... by Archtech · · Score: 2

    ... of what we all knew long ago.

    You can tell that NSA is inhabited by a lot of super-nerds. It's actually a quiet little in-joke. They are virtue signalling by honestly admitting that, not only are they not honest, it isn't even on their "to-do" list.

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    I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
  11. No EXECUTIVE oversight by micahraleigh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The ENTIRE department of Justice and PLENTY of intelligence agencies run without any oversight from ELECTED officials.

    Chuck Schumer himself mentioned the week Trump was elected the intelligence community has six ways past sunday to fight anyone they don't like.

    That includes voters.

    That includes the American people.

    The president will get held accountable based on what he can pull off, but he has NO control over these organizations that are supposed to operate in his branch of government.

    The DoJ and the intel orgs see it as their job to attack anyone in the party they don't like. This is why there are all these removed text messages among the high ranks of the FBI. They are trying to cover up the Russia style corruption going on.

    That means these are POLITICAL offices now and need to be scrapped with every change in office.

    Trump should be able to do with all these guys what Clinton did with the US attorneys when he took office: fire them all!

    If there is any conflict between what the FBI wants and what the voters want, the FBI MUST LOSE. Voters know better!

  12. More honest by Clear2Go · · Score: 2

    Technically, by removing those items, maybe the are in fact being more 'honest' in the sense that they are letting everyone know they are not or can not be.

  13. Don't tell me, let me guess by FudRucker · · Score: 2

    The NSA had to remove it because they were threatened to be sued for False Advertising.

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    Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
  14. Well they are being honest then by XXongo · · Score: 2
    Exactly.

    Back in the day, it was joked that "NSA" stood for "No Such Agency," because even the name of the agency was secret. It's silly for an agency whose entire mission is secret to put in their purported mission statement that "honesty", "openness", and "transparency" are their objectives; that would be a contradiction, and the only thing it would do would be to make the people who work for the agency understand that they are required to ignore the mission statement to do their jobs.

    So, I applaud their honesty and openness in removing honesty and openness from their mission statement. This is, in fact, not their mission statement.

  15. Re:Idiot by bobbied · · Score: 2

    Ad hominem attacks are not valid logic...

    You may think they make you look good, but in reality they just expose your lack of thought on the subject in question. Maybe you just don't have a valid argument? Maybe you just want to throw mud? I don't know. But it's apparent you have nothing substantive to add...

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  16. Re:Serious question by turkeyfish · · Score: 2

    A series of middle eastern wars since the Balfour Decrlation created a "jewish homeland", proves that Jews are preety much like everyone else when it comes to pacifism and warmongering. The trick is to find away out of the cycle of violence and put such animosity and hostility behind us, so that we can focus on bigger problems, like keeping planet Earth habitable in the latter half of the 21st century and the 22nd century. Unless this is done, humanity is very unlikely to experience a 23rd century.