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Apple: We Would Never Degrade the iPhone Experience To Get Users To Buy New Phones
Apple today responded to reports that the Justice Department and Securities and Exchange Commission are probing its decision to throttle older iPhones, confirming that the U.S government has asked questions. From a report: Apple said it would never intentionally "degrade the user experience to drive customer upgrades." Apple acknowledged in December that it was secretly slowing the speeds of iPhones in an effort to help preserve aging batteries. In response to consumer backlash, the company dropped the price of battery replacements for the iPhone 6, iPhone 6s and iPhone 6s Plus from $79 to $29.
Seriously there is a much easier alternative. Just do what most other phone makers do and not provide security or bug fixes. Customers will have to buy new phones to avoid not joining botnets and getting hit by drive-by malware. Apple is putting way too much effort in.
Apple only has the best interests of its customers at heart.
Apple: "We would never intentionally degrade the user experience! All that we did was secretly and with no notification to the phone user throttle down the processor depending upon the life of the battery. "
Yes perfectly legal accounting techniques are stealing.
That must be why most Macs cannot have their memory upgraded after purchase, or that you need to disassemble 90% of the computer to get to the RAM slots, because it makes for a better user experience... somehow.
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Then why did it take several 3rd party sources to confirm what was going on? Why did Apple wait until several 3rd party sources confirmed before they came forward and admitted what was going on? Every step of the way Apple missed the opportunity to get ahead of this and make it a non-issue. Now they want everyone to just take their word for it that there wasn't an ulterior motive? The sad thing is that I expect that many will.
Either they are playing people for chumps or they are grossly incompetent.
Fuck you.
...outside the typical no-so-much-a-conspiracy-theory-anymore side of things, it's quite possible Apple got a HUGE influx of bad batteries that went out into millions of their phone models. I do remember a small window last year about specific models of iPhone 6/6s having recalls for batteries, which caused hardware instability (e.g. unexpected shutdowns, phone reboots, etc.).
If there is anything honest and plausible I'll put my intuition on, it would be that those batteries were FAR reaching outside that. Apple tried a small recall to make it 'look good' but in essence, it was fucking everything on the mobile side. So they tried to cover it up with throttling hacks to preserve the batteries in future iOS releases and got caught by some tech savvy folk on reddit.
... use flushing toilets.
I really feel like Apple needs a Jobs infusion, stat.
The PC lineup has stagnated.
They don't see the value of continuing the iPod (something Mr. Jobs was passionate about).
The phones are continuing on a modest growth path in terms of performance/Flash size but nothing disruptive (ie iPhone X falling flat).
They're dropping the server line.
Their stores are nice and, to be fair, getting better.
Mr. Cook has always been a competent CEO but they need somebody who looks at things differently and sees where things can be amazing, not just better.
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A liar will not be believed (or even not believed), even when he speaks the truth.
That's the problem with businesses these days, and why corporations are hated so much. It's not the concept of a coproration or business itself, but that it seems to be all about how to get away with taking as much money as they can and giving as little as possible, aka maximizing profit, above all else.
Making the amount of obfuscation basically the only difference from straight up stealing, robbery, fraud or racketeering.
Zero conscience, even though social behavior has a huge strategic advantage that even a psychopath should get,
and less forethought than a monkey, even harming the very resources one needs to survive, shitting right where they eat.
The ICD description of psychopathy fits their behavior quite well.
In the past, it was easier to get away with it, because one could hide in the anonymity of big societies, but now, with the Internet, that shit flies less and less.
This sounds like a reasonable explanation but I don't see how a corporation as large as Apple could effectively cover it up for this long. Especially in light of the recent backlash. One disgruntled manager or well placed employee could topple the scheme. Still, I like the theory.
Why don’t you use them if they are perfectly legal? How come everyones doesn’t use them? I find it funny how you who Im sure pay all your taxes think its fine for others not to.
When I read "Apple said it would never intentionally "degrade the user experience to drive customer upgrades," I laughed out loud. I wonder if the Apple spokesperson was able to get this out with a straight face. They don't design their phones to make repairs harder either...
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It's about people not realizing there's a problem until the warranty runs out. Saving millions on batteries and replacements. Also if you get a new battery at 2yr-1w, that's another 2 years before you upgrade... How come no one sees this?
Wording is so important; Apple's wording in this is terrible; they shouldn't ever have mentioned "driving upgrades" at all. Apple should have maintained that it was in their self-interest to make the phones operate as well as possible at all times, and that it was a *policy* decision that "at all times" meant tipping the balance towards stretching the battery life. And that their only mistake was not making this an explicit setting, so that even people with NEW batteries could adjust their performance to extend battery life. ( I wish I could reference the SIGPLAN article in the 1980s that said "This limitation was removed by renaming it as a feature . . ")
yeah well they did force me to buy a new phone. I was perfectly happy with an iPhone 5 and noticed as soon as the update hit the phone sucked. I had to tools to know if it was just a mega bloated updated or what but I was pushed into an SE. The thought did cross my mind if they were gimping older phones to force sales but I figured Apple was above this. Guess I was wrong.
"Never believe anything until it's been officially denied".
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I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
I have a order from a Federal Bankruptcy Judge for Apple to unlock property.
Apple's answer was to pay a fee to have the device shipped to them and replaced,
So yea, Apple *WILL* request money VS just going into their "reported lost" database and reset a flag.
Apple isn't being honest.
We would never use loops holes to steal from the American people.
So you don't take ANY deductions when you fill out your taxes every year?
And you wind up giving more money to the government than you legally have to?
Why do I think you're a fucking hypocrite?
Also we would never eliminate a standard headphone plug which works with generic $2 headphones in order to try to sell our wireless $160 headphones, which under any normal and reasonable conditions are completely unnecessary.
If you don't pay the money to the government and you're an US-based individual, at least that money still stays in the US economy. I'm not sure that Apple sitting on international piles of cash is completely comparable, though.
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He probably doesn't use them because corporate tax law is completely different than personal tax law. I think you're struggling with the difference between "unethical" and "illegal". Note that I am not defending the loopholes (I think they should all be closed, but I suspect that is part of what the new tax bill is supposed to do).
Think of it this way: If you were running a corp with a market cap of $900B and your tax lawyers and accountants were not taking advantage of every loophole they possibly could to reduce your company's tax burden you would fire them or you wouldn't be the CEO of a $900B company. Sorry Mr. Fabriciom, we thought you would rather see that $500M go to the US governments list of stupid programs rather than off-shore R&D to keep us competitive. We'll do better next time...
The root of the problem is election funding and lobbying. If you want to change the system you need to change the funding model and turn lobbying into nothing more than boardroom presentations. IMHO.
I am not interested in articles about life extension advancements.
I heard tech companies black ball people from each other's companies. Pretty sure on /.
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Why don’t you use them if they are perfectly legal? How come everyones doesn’t use them?
Because it's not worth my/their time? Or I/they don't make enough money for it to be worth it?
I find it funny how you who Im sure pay all your taxes think its fine for others not to.
Could you please rewrite that in English? Thanks.
Regardless of intention, anybody with a brain can see how such a practice might give consumers the incentive to purchase a new phone. I wonder if a conversation was had about what effect their design decision would have. Obviously, somewhere in the conversation, they thought it was best to conceal the battery degradation as well as the slowdown from the user.
Should intention be the most important factor in the discussion? People can lie about their intentions. There could be many different intentions ascribed to a given action. If a good intention and a bad intention can be ascribed to the same action, maybe that action is questionable.
If I was a sociopath trying to get away with performing an action with bad intent, I would choose an action that could also be defended with a good intention for the sake of plausible deniability.
Apple said it would never intentionally "degrade the user experience to drive customer upgrades."
And yet they were caught doing exactly this. And besides that, Apple has sealed in the battery and made the cost / terms of replacement so onerous that it could have no other expected effect than drive customer upgrades.
If Apple cares so little about supporting users on older phones, why does it put so much time into designing OSes that are compatible with its older phones for years longer than competitors do? Hm?
I know it's fun to play the conspiracy game and blame a big company, but do you think they would be bothering to spend years on this stuff if they were trying to disable your phone? There are easier ways to do it, just stop writing iOS updates for out of date equipment. But they don't, they keep supporting it, years after other manufacturers or OS teams would.
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Maybe do a little independent thought before signing onto the lazy conspiracy theory and jumping on the mindless bandwagon?
Are loop holes legal?
Do you consider stealing to be illegal?
How do you put these two together?
No we degrade your experience to get you to throw out your old phone. What you do after that is entirely your business.
I am not defending the loopholes (I think they should all be closed, but I suspect that is part of what the new tax bill is supposed to do).
Too late, you drank the Kool-Aid.
No, the new tax bill is not supposed to "close loopholes," it is solely to reduce corporate taxes and punish residents of states with high tax rates (i.e. California, New York, and other "blue" states"), while at the same time adding an irresponsible increase to the federal deficit and kicking the can down the road for a future congress to deal with
Hate me if you will, but I'm guessing Apple management never realized how the software update would be perceived by the public. The optics are terrible and now they have a situation to deal with.
Business is business. You, and everybody else, will do whatever is necessary within the law (and without the law, when one can get away with it) to increase your bottom line. It is just a matter of undertaking a cost analysis study on each of you major steps. You know it and we know it. Please spare us the self-virtuous, good-goody statements and do not insult our intelligence, OK?
Apple is highly marketing-savvy. If they did something a certain way, you can bet it was discussed and every decision calculated for its effect on the consumer. For them to make the oversight to ask the owner before slowing down the device, they may be able to claim ignorance but I don't buy it.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
You can make your personal tax corporate. All you have to do is create a company and say all your expense are related to the company. A lot of people do this every day. Is it unethical, yes, is it illegal, yes. Problem is that everyone in the US thinks that everything is a corporation and its fine what the corporate world does. Not taking into account that that taxes companies evade are taxes not going to your police, fire department, streets, city maintenances, etc. People see the government at evil, when the true evil are that people in government.
That me buying 2 new iPhones due to performance degradation is just a happy coincidence, right? And before you ask a they're for my kid. Posting this from a $220 Android that I won't upgrade until 5G gets cheap.
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amazing how many people defend the orange turd pile.
Then why don't they offer the last compatible version of apps for devices from the store? 0/10 would not buy Apple products again.
Apple acknowledged in December that it was secretly slowing the speeds of iPhones in an effort to help preserve aging batteries.
Apple, why would you secretly slow the speeds of iPhones? Something stinks about this and I'm glad you are being investigated!
Circle the wagons and fire inward. Entropy increases without bounds.
For bullshit!
More like they ran the cpu at too high a clock so that benchmark reviews with new hardware would show them much faster then competition. (everytime a new ishit comes out the ishitfanboys exclaim how much faster it is!)
So they fucked the customer over and hid the fact and the ishitfanboys are still defending them (rather like trump and his idoit followers)
Actually, if you live in California you can donate money to the state (California has a 501 non profit charity) and pay your taxes through that, which make the taxes you pay federally deductible. But that's not the point. Unless this individual is earning a significant sum from sales of good abroad, they can't benefit from Apple's accounting tax system. Apple is not doing anything illegal, that would be stupid. They are doing something that tax policy didn't intend, but is allowed. This is the difference between tax evasion, and tax avoidance. Doing tax evasion is illegal. Doing tax avoidance is not. Corporations are REQUIRED to do tax avoidance. It's the management's fiduciary duty to shareholders to save money where possible and not illegal. If apple knew how to save cash and didn't, they would be sued by their shareholders, unless doing so improved their operations. Tax does not.
I find it funny how you, who Iâ(TM)m sure pays all your taxes, think itâ(TM)s fine for others not to (pay all their taxes).
Planned obsolescence is Apple's norm. The battery issue is nothing compared to what you have to go through as a developer. They'll nag you to update iOS on your test devices and once you do, you can magically no longer build apps on them without upgrading Xcode. In order to upgrade Xcode, you may need to purchase an entirely new dev machine because they won't let you install it on your current OS and they won't let you upgrade the current OS any further. That's their entire life cycle of creating profit and e-waste.
Cook, please stop insulting us and take your punishment like a man.
Cook and Apple are so full of bullshit but I do admire their cunningness.
Google has "Do no evil" as a marketing trick. It is much shorter and to the point. Just as much bullshit (I learned when they raped Dejanews way back in 2001) but shorter.
I am waiting for the company that goes all Newspeak. "We are doubleplus good" But then, why should they? They have bought the politicians and the laws, so they should be allowed to say what is right and what is wrong.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
That Apple has to be aware that their action would have that impact and that they didn't tell folks (e.g., they hid it) negates that their intention may have been 100% legitimate.
Their intention can be 100% legitimate but they were aware of the issue and how people would react e.g., this topic has been the popular press for years..
Air bags have reactive chemicals in them to help them deploy.. Govt. & manufacturers are not intentionally putting harmful reactive chemicals into cars - their intent is to rapidly deploy the air bag, and to do so safely. The intent is 100% legit but they know that harm may be caused.
They are not intentionally trying to hurt, harm or kill children but they aware that air bags designed for adults could harm small children. *its not their intent* but it COULD happen.. so that's WHY among other steps they put in warning labels.
Most engineering has trade-off including reliability, price and safety -- Apple may well have made the best choice - but since they would also know that the phones would perform worse and worse -- that they didn't discuss or recommend replacing the battery implicitly indicates that they knew and where happy about folks buying a new phone when there was an option far cheaper available.
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Using a loophole should be considered an admission of guilt.
My iPhone 4S needed a new battery. It was happily running iOS 7, it wasn't the best for surfing the internet but all my applications ran (at the time) and it still made phone calls.
Apple outright refused to replace the battery unless they updated the software to iOS 9. No amount of complaining and offering to outright buy the battery could change this. Since the phone was useless without a new battery, I let them do it.
That phone was never the same. Post upgrade, I could only have one application running at once, everything else relaunched when I'd switch back to it. Mail, music, and the phone app were painfully slow to open and use, animations were janky and the whole thing took considerably longer to boot up and shut down.
So whatever they did worked, because I eventually got fed up with it and bought a new iPhone 5. That phone is showing similar signs of performance defredation via software updates, so I'm now looking at switching to Android.
Apple has and always will slow down your hardware with an iOS update. They might not go out of their way to do it (well, most of the time anyways), but they sure as shit know that their crappy code and iOS bloat is going to slow these devices down, and they let it happen regardless.
Stolen shitty java dalvik 'secure' tech and "OI VEY" only ringtone available (lol) cheap stolen from Linux OS (all they do is 'despoil' steal) by JUDENoidz!
Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion & Spain 1492 (Christopher Columbus the jew https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22C... sailed to the US for them to create it), France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):
Maria Abramovic satanist spirit cooker pal of Hillary Clinton the Voodoo queen is a jew https://www.google.com/search?... just like Hillary Clinton's mentor Saul Alinsky author of rules for radicals book dedicated to Lucifer
"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer â" so I wasnâ(TM)t lying â" and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much aliveâ Harold Rosenthal http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...
Jewish rabbi openly admits to satan worship use white children's blood they kill for passover bread, infiltrating and subverting the catholic church, creating the Jesuit order https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
Rabbi A. Finkelstein ADMITS their greatest enemies are ARABS and WHITES (blacks too) whom they wish to kill one another in a 'theater of war' which they find AMUSING https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Finkelstein also admits JEWS DID 9/11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?... profiting by it (and that 3,000 jews employed there did not show up for work that day knowing about it beforehand).
Finkelstein also admits JEWS are going to destroy the U.S. Dollar and dumping it for other world currencies and gold to destroy the United States.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
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Expensing non-business-related expenditures in order to evade taxes is illegal, but that's not what actual corporations do. Problem is that you conflate what you want to be illegal with what actually is.
By definition, loopholes in laws allow for unintended, but legal behavior. Otherwise, it's not a loophole, it's an illegal behavior.
What does that have to do with the tax rates on tea in China? Taxes are not a moral obligation, they are merely legal. If the law allows paying less, you are generally stupid (or lazy) for paying more.
Of course Apple only thinks about Apple. Every read about the mountain of cash Apple is sitting on. The iPhone is now Apple's bread and butter and don't tell me they didn't slow down your iPhone to nudge you into buying a new model. This all started when it was clear that any performance improvements with its chips were not revolutionary but rather incremental. In the end, Apple had to find a way to make users of iPhone's feel their phone was simply slowing down and needed replacement. No conspiracy here, just plain old smoke and mirrors marketing to move product.
Yes they abide by all the laws of Ireland...
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...outside the typical no-so-much-a-conspiracy-theory-anymore side of things, it's quite possible Apple got a HUGE influx of bad batteries
I don't see how you consider this "honest", the honest thing to do would be to disclose it to the customers. Selling customers a defective product and then covering it up by making it even more defective is pretty far from my definition of honest.
It is just retard Alexander Peter Kowalski acting out and showing everyone he is retarded as he can't stand it when people prove him wrong.
He actually lacks the mental facilities to realize that his statements have been proven wrong so instead he lashes out.
I would however be cautious of commenting about him unless posting as AC as he will stalk and harass you.
All in all he is mostly harmless but caution is advised.
Out of curiosity, do you consider someone who is patriotic and takes pride in their country, to be stupid or are they lazy?
Fanatically anti-fanatical
I don't think it has to do with older phones, but warranty replacements for current phones. By slowing down the CPU for these phones, the user will not see crashes due to failing, but warranty replaceable, battery.
This could even be averting a recall of a bad batch...
Stolen shitty java dalvik 'secure' tech and "OI VEY" only ringtone available (lol) cheap stolen from Linux OS (all they do is 'despoil' steal) by JUDENoidz!
Jews believe this of all they call goyim/gentiles (any non-jew): Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Argentines in the 1940 under Perrone, Spanish inquistion & Spain 1492 (Christopher Columbus the jew https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22C... sailed to the US for them to create it), France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (pre & post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No. Driven into DESERTS ages ago! Don't wonder why after all those exilings above. Should anyone doubt any of this see Jacob Javits' crony Rosenthal spill the beans on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4zMVZ8HnFI/ where he called all Christianity fools for helping Israel and the biggest scam of all time per their beliefs below from their Talmud. This is the province of the synagogue of Satan (Khazar/Pharisees whom Jesus Christ himself kicked to the curb out of the temple & they killed him for it. Jeremiah did the same to them also + the Essenes could not stand them either breaking away from the pharisee corruption):
Maria Abramovic satanist spirit cooker pal of Hillary Clinton the Voodoo queen is a jew https://www.google.com/search?... just like Hillary Clinton's mentor Saul Alinsky author of rules for radicals book dedicated to Lucifer
"Most Jews do not like to admit it, but our god is Lucifer â" so I wasnâ(TM)t lying â" and we are his chosen people. Lucifer is very much aliveâ Harold Rosenthal http://www.thetruthseeker.co.u...
Jewish rabbi openly admits to satan worship use white children's blood they kill for passover bread, infiltrating and subverting the catholic church, creating the Jesuit order https://www.youtube.com/watch?... and https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Barbara Spectre, a jew, tells everyone it's jews orchestrating the muslim migrant problem in Europe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ/ . No migrant raping of women in Poland. Tons in Sweden. Do the math. Use common-sense. This is to get muslims and other goyim/gentiles to wipe one another out as incompatible cultures that will clash and always have.
Rabbi A. Finkelstein ADMITS their greatest enemies are ARABS and WHITES (blacks too) whom they wish to kill one another in a 'theater of war' which they find AMUSING https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Finkelstein also admits JEWS DID 9/11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?... profiting by it (and that 3,000 jews employed there did not show up for work that day knowing about it beforehand).
Finkelstein also admits JEWS are going to destroy the U.S. Dollar and dumping it for other world currencies and gold to destroy the United States.
George Soros who funds groups to create division in the USA?? A jew. One who sold his own jew people into death for the nazis. Zucker @ CNN is another frying publicly for lying about "russians" and John Bonifield a producer @ CNN said it is bs. Van Jones did also.
What World-famous Men have said About the Jews
Wow, did you think of this all on your own??
Did you mom pat you on the head? Did you Dad hand you a lollipop in his panties and bra???
pull your head out, realize thre following:
1. you pay a Jewish person for your house and or your apt. Jews Own EVERYTHING at some level..
2. the lead Treasurer of the US is Jewish
3. you Laugh at them on the TV and in Movies..
4. You look at them when you hear certain people in the middle-east are kicking ASS.
Didnt you know the NAZI Belief System Died with it's leader.
I believe it was the US that Canceled that European Tour.
As others have mentioned here and other places,
"May you suck cock for coke and choke on the Produced By-Product."
It also would not be a bad idea to go back on your Medication, right?
such hateful, obscene, ignorance..
Do you suck your Wifes penis with that mouth?
Do you French kiss your children with those lips and tounge?
do you face fuck, fornicate with others in a laytex GIMP suit?
Are you a Jizz Mopper at as local "NUT HUT"
do you frequent or "inspect" adult movie theaters on a regular basis, looking for "free samples"?
No go pay the nice Jewish person before he kicks you out of the domicile..
And Apple is to be cheered for paying as little in taxes as possible. If an armed robber comes to your house, don't you want him to take as little as possible?
Taxes: pay up or we'll kill you
Mafia: pay up or we'll kill you
Taxes: It's for your protection
Mafia: It's for your protection
Taxation is theft.
See your so pissed off you cant even type..
I think you were trying to say..
Such hateful, obscene, ignorance..
Do you suck your Wifes' penis with that mouth, while she calls you a "trick??"
Do you French kiss your children with those lips and tounge? Did you register for Megan's law yet?
do you face fuck or fornicate with others in a laytex GIMP suit, or wearing your KKK outfit?
Are you a Jizz Mopper at a local "NUT HUT?"
Do you frequent or "inspect" adult movie theaters on a regular basis, looking for "Free samples" or other form's of "DNA?"
Now, go pay the nice Jewish person before he kicks you out of his domicile..
Not avoiding taxes would be likely to get the CEO fired, but they wouldn't be in trouble for failing their fiduciary duty. Management can do just about anything legally, as long as there is a remotely possible business explanation. So, in regards to paying taxes, they could argue that it's good PR or that it's to avoid punitive changes to the law. The shareholders probably wouldn't by it, but they'd be okay legally.
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He goes to the Nut-Huts and Adult theaters looking for his wife, perhaps because he is hungry. ;)
You do know that around 70% of households take standard deductions, right? Slashdot skews a bit higher up economically, but there are plenty of people who pay exactly what they legally have to.
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These iCrapp users should be punished. I even saw many SUV's with Apple logo behind their vehicles. I mean, WTF! Showing off you're an Apple user? And you're proud of your stupidity?!!
Ergo states with 1%ers. Isnt that what Dems wanted? Theyve been yelling raise our taxes right?
Taxes are payment for services the government renders, and giant corporations like Apple are the biggest users of those services. It is unsustainable for them to not be paying appropriate levels of taxes.
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IOS 7 on an iPhone 4 - nuff said.
...ourselves humbly apologizing.
Care killed the cat, but satisfaction brought it back.
They got caught with their hand in the cookie jar, it's time to come clean...
Exactly. Someone doesn't understand language.
The check's in the mail, I'll respect you in the morning, it's not you it's me, and (my favorite) "we believe in diversity." Oh, and before I forget..."Don't Be Evil." People lie. If a corporation can make a buck, it will be done. "There are things no whore will do, regardless of the money. Politicians and CEOs don't have that problem."
The time between this becoming public and Apple's statement that they wouldn't do that intentionally, is just how long i guess it would take them to cover their tracks that it was intentional. This statement would be trustworthy if it had been published right away. Now it just confirms what many suspect: planned obsolescence.
If there is anything honest and plausible I'll put my intuition on, it would be that those batteries were FAR reaching outside that. Apple tried a small recall to make it 'look good' but in essence, it was fucking everything on the mobile side. So they tried to cover it up with throttling hacks to preserve the batteries in future iOS releases and got caught by some tech savvy folk on reddit.
There is nothing about Apple that is honest and plausible. Furthermore, small recalls are cheaper than large ones.
If they were slowing the phones to preserve battery, then there is zero reason to do so secretly is there ?
Be upfront with the folks paying $$$ for your hardware and all os well in the world.
Be all secret about it and you risk pissing your customer base off.
My iPhone 6 got painfully slow so I upgraded to an 8.
there is no doubt that Apple didn't handle this right, they should have announced it up front and given users the option to turn the feature on/off
but that being said, what they did is the EXACT opposite of force obsolescence, it was actually a very real attempt to keep degraded hardware working and I cannot for the life of me see why people can't understand that
Why would you pay through a 501(c)3 unless you are well into the AMT thing, though? Or have a SALT above $10K? With a charitable deduction, you only get $0.33 on the dollar, so unless you have a $30K SALT due, it's better to just pay directly. Which, I think for 99% of all /. folks, would be the better option.
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Given that the corporate tax rate cut just passed brought our corporate income taxes into line with most of the rest of the OECD (including the EU), I don't see how they are NOT paying appropriate levels of taxes. Unless your contention is that all companies, everywhere, aren't paying enough in taxes?
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Riiiiight!
American companies don't pay that tax though...Looking at your data American corporate taxes are way higher than in Canada for example. The actual money collected tells a very different story.
The U.S. corporate income tax, as a share of GDP, averaged 2.2 percent of GDP for the 2000 to 2011 period. This is in sharp contrast to its northern neighbor, Canada, which collected far more corporate income tax revenues than the United States at roughly 3.4 percent of GDP during the same period (Chart 2)
https://taxfoundation.org/us-c...
You still (conveniently) forget about VAT payroll taxes and social security etc that are higher for businesses in other countries.
So not only do Americans pay less tax than you keep claiming, other places pay more in other corporate taxes as well.
From your own link:
US Marginal Effective Tax Rate: 35.3%
Canada Marginal Effective Tax Rate: 19%
OECD average Marginal Effective Tax Rate: 19.4%
Your own link shows my point; the US used to hit corporations at nearly twice the rate of our neighbors, and everyone else in the OECD. So what's your point, again? You claim they do NOT pay that tax - so what do they pay, if they are not paying the tax claimed in the data which you provided?
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And yet the actual money collected tells a very different story.
The U.S. corporate income tax, as a share of GDP, averaged 2.2 percent of GDP for the 2000 to 2011 period. This is in sharp contrast to its northern neighbor, Canada, which collected far more corporate income tax revenues than the United States at roughly 3.4 percent of GDP during the same period (Chart 2)
https://taxfoundation.org/us-c...
They don't actually pay that because there are so many loopholes deductions and subsidies. They pay a much smaller amount of tax because of this. As shown repeatedly in the data.
If I had an aged phone and its performance was prevented from degrading too much, wouldn’t I be disinclined to replace it, not encouraged, let alone forced to replace it? Isn't slower but capable of more better than faster and of limited use and ability? And if someone doesn't want to be forced [sic] into an upgrade, what's wrong with needing to replace the battery? I know one of the mainstream media's preferred storylines is Apple bashing, but this whole thing's kind of stupid. And wrong. And maybe the reason Apple is so fast to make the so-called throttling capable of being turned off is because that's what in the end may force [sic] more people into buying new phones than the so-called throttling.
"We would never do what it's really, really obvious that we're doing, and we're hoping this variant of The Big Lie makes you all shut up about it."
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Why don’t you use them if they are perfectly legal? How come everyones doesn’t use them?
Because it's not worth my/their time? Or I/they don't make enough money for it to be worth it?
I find it funny how you who Im sure pay all your taxes think its fine for others not to.
Could you please rewrite that in English? Thanks.
It's English. It could use some punctuation but it's fine. Maybe you should just read more slowly, or trying saying the words out loud.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
My iPhone 6 had water damage, so apple service center gave a new (refurbished one I guess) on paying a pretty hefty sum. It was slow from the beginning and battery went really bad after 3 to 4 months, just after its 90day warranty expired.
Had this feature not been there, I would have known that there is a battery issue. Most people would have found their new phones sluggish and instead of getting the battery changed, they just thought that phone is performing poorly.
Wording is so important; Apple's wording in this is terrible;
Yes, they never "intended" to slow down your phone to make you pay £600 for a new one... that was just an added benefit.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Nobody is yelling to raise taxes. Republicans constantly batter about how great cutting taxes will be for the economy, with zero examples of that happening despite myriad examples of the opposite. Dems are more like: Look at western Europe. High taxes, a thriving wealthy class, strong economies, and much less poverty, death from preventable disease. Effectively, an equitable society where more people describe themselves as happy then in the good oleâ(TM) land of the free and modestly taxed.
Don't trust the marketing department when they talk to you about their companies business plans.
Reminds me of another company who's marketing team said "You're doing this to build trust!". They were refering to a multi week process of performing repetitive tasks using their online service. This 'trust building' is needed to unlock a pre-order bonus for pre-purchasing their next big product release. (This pre-order sold so well it brought the companies payment service to it's knees by the way)
More than likely, it's intended to prop up subscriptions at a time the service is notorious for losing customers who temporarily halt their subscription to wait for the next product release. Can't drop your subscription if you have to keep coming back weekly to 'build that trust' for a couple months in order to get any use out of that 'pre-order bonus'.
Is it the same as slowing down older devices and claiming it's because of expiring batteries? I think it fits the pattern at least, one is for planned obsolescence, the other is as an attempt to extort more fees from customers.
Here's the problem as I see it. Even if Apple seriously, no joke didn't intend for this to shorten phone life. How hard would Apple work to lengthen phone life? Given the choice to fix a problem in the deployed phone fleet or work on a new phone, how would Apple choose to expend it's resources?
Employee: "Boss, this change in the code could kill the battery life by up to 20%!"
Boss: "We're doing it to preserve phone performance and don't you forget it! Now shut up and deploy that patch!"
6 Months Later: "Executive bonuses all around because revenues are better than ever!"
Is Apple making decisions in the customer's best interest, or for Apple's best interest? In the past I think a lot of Apple customers were happy to answer "the customer". Now those issues seem more murky and the customers are long longer sure.
Apple: Us, We, Oh please we would never suck dick for coke.
US: really, whats that white shit under ur nose, and dribbling off the corner of your lips?
The builtin batrtery thing, is crap all the way around..
let these individuals die a natural life..
Sure they would.
You can lead a man with reason but you can't make him think.
I can't even get my three-year-old iMac to shutdown normally anymore after one of their OS updates. I have to power it off. Then, when I turn it back on, it takes literally (and I mean that in the literal sense of the word) five minutes to boot back up. Remember when Mac software was hailed for being simple and just working?
My two year old MacBook Pro's screen is falling apart, despite never being damaged, nor even leaving the living room. Remember when Apple's hardware was quality stuff? Before their "your holding it wrong" and "we're courageous" attitudes?
If Jobs could see the sorry state of the crap this company is pumping out -- both on a hardware and software level -- he would go fucking ape-shit.
You've known me long enough to know I don't do that (unless it's merited & though you & I had diffs over time, I don't razz you for no reason). The Cause?
I've got an unidentifiable stalker (months of it now) impersonating me too all due to my blowing him away here https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=11679505&threshold=-1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&pid=56039569/ with fact & truth!
I.E. - He constantly stalks me & keeps telling me he's "so great" in security & writes 'real securityware' & has 'secured systems for 21 yrs' (I've not only done it longer but also write wares FOR SECURITY that others here like & use too praising its quality & efficacy)!
YET WHEN I ASK HE PROVE HIS BS, he RUNS every single time (hence his 'butthurt' childish impersonating me & more).
* Being reduced to impersonating me in every article on /. (in some attempt to make others 'not like me' (big deal - I'm not here to 'comfort people' OR win a popularity contest (that's for FAKEBOOK fools) by him quoting something I wrote AmiMojo (which was due him/her for wisecracks) is all ANYONE NEEDS TO SEE to evidence his childish butthurt antics.
That & my post link above that 'set him off' (rightfully so - I ask my stalker merely back up his BLOWHARD bluster (& he can't, lol)).
APK
P.S.=> Just stating facts with proof I can provide to back them up... apk
There's no way in hell they didn't know this would wreak havoc on the 6. The company has tens of billions of dollars sitting in the bank and *supposedly* pride themselves on the user experience, and *nobody* knew this would happen?
I'm one of those affected and have had a terrible experience since I was forced to upgrade. I'll finally get the opportunity to fork over 30 bucks to fix it in three weeks -after the replacement batteries finally come in. Pre-update I had very few problems with battery life and had already spent the money on an external power pack. They should be paying me to have the battery replaced.
No, that is irrelevant. You can have a high tax rate, and yet pay a small amount relative to the GDP. Here is an example:
Country A has a 30% tax rate, and a GDP of $1,000,000. Country C has a 20% tax rate, and a GDP of $500,000.
A company that makes $100,000 per year is looking to relocate to either of these countries. In country A, they would pay (0.3 * $100,000) $30,000 per year. In country C, they would pay (0.2 * $100,000) $20,000. So the company chooses country C, because it would pay less tax.
Outside observer AC notices this, and does a quick calculation. In country A, the company would pay $30,000 in taxes; but that would only be 3% of the GDP. In country C, the company would pay $20,000, but that would be 4% of the GDP.
In his wisdom, observer AC declares the company is paying less taxes in country A! Why? Well, the fact that the company pays $10,000 more in country A doesn't matter to AC, he looks only at the share of GDP. Because country A's GDP is twice that of country C, the higher taxes paid by the company accounts for a smaller share of the GDP. But then, that doesn't matter to the company - because relocating in country C saves the company $10,000 - even if the $20,000 they pay is actually more of the GDP.
Does that clarify it for you? The US economy is huge compared to Canada; in fact, California and Texas both have GDPs greater than Canada! Paying $100,000 in corporate income taxes in Canada is definitely lower than paying $500,000 in corporate income taxes in the US. But if you look at the irrelevant statistic of "scaled by GDP", Canada has a bigger number. It means nothing - $100,000 in Canada is a higher percentage of the Canadian GDP than $500,000 is of the US GDP. But that's $400,000 difference - and cannot be ignored.
And once again, the data you link to explicitly states that the EFFECTIVE TAX RATE - that is the tax rate paid after all the deductions, loopholes, and such - is HIGHER in the US than in Canada. It says so right in black-and-white in your own reference. If you choose to ignore it, that is your loss. The fact is that the US had one of the highest marginal, average, and effective corporate income tax rates in the world. And now we've come down to about the OECD average, putting us on a more even playing field with the rest of the world.
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And yet the actual money collected tells a very different story.
The U.S. corporate income tax, as a share of GDP, averaged 2.2 percent of GDP for the 2000 to 2011 period. This is in sharp contrast to its northern neighbor, Canada, which collected far more corporate income tax revenues than the United States at roughly 3.4 percent of GDP during the same period (Chart 2)
https://taxfoundation.org/us-c...
They don't actually pay that because there are so many loopholes deductions and subsidies. They pay a much smaller amount of tax because of this. As shown repeatedly in the data.
That is all the companies in the whole country. Not some made up company that is paying 2.2% of the entire countries GDP in tax. LOL
What single company do you think is paying half a trillion dollars of tax in the US??
You have no idea what you are talking about.
Total company tax actually paid to the US government by all companies is only 2.2% of US GDP
Total company tax actually paid to the Canadian government by all companies is 3.4% of Canadian GDP.
This is also averaged over a decade, not just one year cherry picked to prove a point.
Americans actually don't pay anywhere near the 'effective tax rate' Due to subsidies, deductions, loopholes etc.
Face facts
Lets look at a simple example
2016 GDP 18.6T
2016 Tax on corporate income 400B
Oh look its about 2.2%
Your deduction from Salt is off your income, not your tax bill. Top vs bottom line. Same thing goes for a 501. You shave the same either way.
A very pretty post, well formatted, lots of words. Did your supervisor finally approve the overtime or did you do this in your own time because you're looking for a raise?
Perhaps your indoctrination was so complete you don't even realize when facts go against what you have been brainwashed into believing.
It's clear that you are unable to comprehend the words, or perhaps they are just unable to sneak into your little fact proof bubble.
But what if we look at the pictures? Maybe your knee jerk reactions can be avoided and a fact or two can sneak in. Possibly you really are a complete idiot, don't worry, use the pictures, and I'll do my best to hold your hand the whole way step by step and guide you into understanding for yourself.
Look at the first pretty picture, it's called chart 1. Have you found it? It's under the heading that says "The U.S. Corporate Tax is a Poor Revenue Collector" It looks like a graph, it's a picture, and it has a few different coloured lines on it. Don't worry it's not too hard, we don't even need to worry about most of the colours.
See the blue line? That is called the 'Statutory Corporate Income Tax Rate'. It's the number that is written down in very important places, and people like you who like to claim American corporate taxes are 'very high' use it to show American taxes are 'very high'. It's nearly 40%, very important people tell us 'it's over 39%' it's 39.1% It does look big doesn't it.
Now see the yellow line underneath it? First thing to notice, is that this yellow line is under the blue line. That means the number for the yellow line is smaller. Second thing to notice is that the yellow line isn't straight like the blue one, it goes up and down. Sometimes it's near the blue line, sometimes it's much lower. This yellow line is the amount of tax American companies actually did pay. It's called 'Effective Corporate Income Tax Rate'
{Smart people can jump ahead now, notice chart 2 (for Canada) has the same blue and yellow lines. But those lines are much closer together. Smart people will notice how Canadian companies often pay a higher percentage of tax, the yellow line, than America. Even though the blue line is higher for America.}
If you haven't realized by now, let me show you. Notice the yellow line in chart 1, see how many times it dips below 25%. Now look at chart 2, this is Canada. See the yellow line here, it is also the actual tax paid by Canadian companies. Notice how many times it dips below 25%. Ok sorry I didn't mean to trick you by throwing you in the deep end. Look again and see that the yellow line never goes under 25%. This means the actual tax rate paid by Canadian companies was always over 25%.
Remember from before that America's yellow line was below 25% quite a bit.
Realize now that even though the blue line for America looks big and scary. Actual companies in America only pay the yellow line. And that yellow line is quite similar to other countries, often it's even smaller. This is because of tax credits, subsidies, tax breaks etc.
No one is going to read this now, being so late and deep. And no one is likely to mod it up, so it will remain hidden.
But the next time you go and try and claim America is a 'very highly taxed country'. Any one can just link to this post. And show that you have had the facts explained to you before, but still choose to believe your lies over the evidence.
In conclusion. Even though America has a high statutory corporate tax rate, actual American companies very rarely pay anything like that amount in actual taxes.
When you lied and said America pays nearly twice the rate of your neighbours and everyone else in the OECD here using numbers you are now claiming you knew all along were wrong..
And also all the times you were told they don't pay that amount and you kept saying over and over that yes they did. Knowing all along that the US often paid a lower tax rate than Canada.
They are the most obvious places where you were wrong...
So now you are claiming again that you don't know they don't pay those amounts. We already know you were told...here
Or were you just too stupid to read the graph even with step by step instructions...
America pays no where near twice Canada, and often times less as shown by all the time Canada paid less than 25% ie zero, and the times America paid less than 25% ie lots of times.
We've put up with your lies long enough.
Time for you to shut up.
Those are rates that no company pays, you have seen the actual data numerous times now, but each time you deny it, change your story and pretend you knew all along, only to forget again the next time it suits you.
Look at the first pretty picture, it's called chart 1. Have you found it? It's under the heading that says "The U.S. Corporate Tax is a Poor Revenue Collector" It looks like a graph, it's a picture, and it has a few different coloured lines on it. Don't worry it's not too hard, we don't even need to worry about most of the colours.
See the blue line? That is called the 'Statutory Corporate Income Tax Rate'. It's the number that is written down in very important places, and people like you who like to claim American corporate taxes are 'very high' use it to show American taxes are 'very high'. It's nearly 40%, very important people tell us 'it's over 39%' it's 39.1% It does look big doesn't it.
Now see the yellow line underneath it? First thing to notice, is that this yellow line is under the blue line. That means the number for the yellow line is smaller. Second thing to notice is that the yellow line isn't straight like the blue one, it goes up and down. Sometimes it's near the blue line, sometimes it's much lower. This yellow line is the amount of tax American companies actually did pay. It's called 'Effective Corporate Income Tax Rate'
{Smart people can jump ahead now, notice chart 2 (for Canada) has the same blue and yellow lines. But those lines are much closer together. Smart people will notice how Canadian companies often pay a higher percentage of tax, the yellow line, than America. Even though the blue line is higher for America.}
If you haven't realized by now, let me show you. Notice the yellow line in chart 1, see how many times it dips below 25%. Now look at chart 2, this is Canada. See the yellow line here, it is also the actual tax paid by Canadian companies. Notice how many times it dips below 25%. Ok sorry I didn't mean to trick you by throwing you in the deep end. Look again and see that the yellow line never goes under 25%. This means the actual tax rate paid by Canadian companies was always over 25%.
Remember from before that America's yellow line was below 25% quite a bit.
Realize now that even though the blue line for America looks big and scary. Actual companies in America only pay the yellow line. And that yellow line is quite similar to other countries, often it's even smaller. This is because of tax credits, subsidies, tax breaks etc.
You were already shown here that that is not the case. You already know it isn't true. Why continue with the lie?
Those numbers are not the amounts of tax actual companies actually pay. Why do you still claim that they are?
You lie has already been noted, show to be false, yet you still persist.
The tax rate actually paid is not much higher in America, and is often smaller, notice the above and below 25% data from before.
2002, 2009, 2010 and 2011 all show American companies paying less than 25% tax. Canada was never less than 25% for the whole graph 2000-2011.
Keep denying it, you only look stupider and stupider.
When you lied and said America pays nearly twice the rate of your neighbours and everyone else in the OECD here using numbers you are now claiming you knew all along were wrong..
And also all the times you were told they don't pay that amount and you kept saying over and over that yes they did. Knowing all along that the US often paid a lower tax rate than Canada.
They are the most obvious places where you were wrong...
It is you who is incapable of understanding.
Here is an example:
Country A has a 30% tax rate, and a GDP of $1,000,000. Country C has a 20% tax rate, and a GDP of $500,000.
A company that makes $100,000 per year is looking to relocate to either of these countries. In country A, they would pay (0.3 * $100,000) $30,000 per year. In country C, they would pay (0.2 * $100,000) $20,000. So the company chooses country C, because it would pay less tax.
Snipped your irrelevant nonsense.
Country C is Canada so they end up paying 19.9% because they qualify for a few deductions. Canada is much better at actually collecting the taxes.
Country A is America and they only end up actually paying 14% after all the deductions tax breaks etc etc.America is basically a tax haven for Canadians.Many can't wait to retire there and pay much less tax than back home in Canada.
Only an idiot would look at the statutory rate and not work out what other things will lessen the tax you have to pay. Thanks for playing though.