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Tesla Will Sell Solar Panels, Powerwalls At Home Depot (bloomberg.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the tesla-branded dept.

Tesla is bringing photovaltaic panels and Powerwall batteries to U.S. retail giant Home Depot. According to Bloomberg, "The tech pioneer is beginning to roll out Tesla-branded selling spaces at 800 of the retailer's locations. The areas, which will be outfitted during the first half of this year, are staffed by Tesla employees and can demonstrate its solar panels and Powerwall battery." From the report: Lowe's -- the second-largest U.S. home-improvement chain, after Home Depot -- has also been in discussions with Tesla about selling its solar products, said people familiar with the situation. At some point, Home Depot may also offer Tesla's much-anticipated solar roof, said one of the people, who asked not to be identified because the deliberations are private. [The products] will be highlighted in high-profile displays, which are 12 feet tall and 7 feet wide. Some locations will be fitted with visual demonstrations that show how the products work.

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  1. Marketing in the 21st Century by dj245 · · Score: 1

    Lowe's -- the second-largest U.S. home-improvement chain, after Home Depot -- has also been in discussions with Tesla about selling its solar products, said people familiar with the situation. At some point, Home Depot may also offer Tesla's much-anticipated solar roof, said one of the people, who asked not to be identified because the deliberations are private. [The products] will be highlighted in high-profile displays, which are 12 feet tall and 7 feet wide. Some locations will be fitted with visual demonstrations that show how the products work.

    Totally not a press release. The marketing department at Tesla is truly top-tier.

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    1. Re: Marketing in the 21st Century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uh maybe youâ(TM)re just a poor? I have nice poured concrete walls, a pool, three golf courses with a less than 10 minute drive, and a shitload more if I feel like driving 20 minutes, cool neighbors, yard waste, trash and recycling pickups on p much every week day. Life is good

    2. Re: Marketing in the 21st Century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Oh honey, get off Slashdot and let me fuck you in the ass again.

    3. Re:Marketing in the 21st Century by amiga3D · · Score: 0

      I don't know, I'm pretty happy with my little house and yard. It's nice and it's mine and I don't have to deal with anyone else's shit. I lived in an apartment for a year after I got married and we moved out just before I was about to slit my neighbor's throat. I told my wife I'd live in a fucking tent by the river before I ever lived in an apartment again. 30 years later and I'm still living in my own house. You do you, I'll do me.

    4. Re: Marketing in the 21st Century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol youâ(TM)re a poor too

    5. Re:Marketing in the 21st Century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Condos and apartments - never again. Once you have privacy and a house, you realize how stressful and horrible condos are.

    6. Re:Marketing in the 21st Century by AK+Marc · · Score: 0

      I've lived in lots of non-shitty houses. Get out of the trailer park sometime.

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    7. Re:Marketing in the 21st Century by DogDude · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, I kinda' agree with this off-topic AC troll.

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    8. Re: Marketing in the 21st Century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sounds like an apartment complex with a pool to me. The waste pickups every week day kind of gave it away, plus that's a lot of city noise.

    9. Re: Marketing in the 21st Century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are more of an exception than a rule. Also, good luck convincing the authorities to allow you build a concrete residential building anywhere in the Silicon Valley.

      I have lived in a few countries around the world and went to the depth of learning fluently their languages and engaging with their policymakers and local governments. What I found is that universally around the world a vast majority of politicians are ignorant greedy well-willing (!) idiots.

    10. Re: Marketing in the 21st Century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having three cock sucking butt buddies around you as your neighbors doesn't count as a social life, you piece of shit. America is much bigger than your stupid piece of stolen property.

    11. Re:Marketing in the 21st Century by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Adding vulgar language to to a bunch of nouns doesn’t really make a point.

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    12. Re: Marketing in the 21st Century by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Yeah but he's living on the 4893th floor so he doesn't really hear the city noise that much.

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    13. Re:Marketing in the 21st Century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My lawn isn't shitty.

  2. Needs Amazon with free delivery, B&M? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're missing out on the drunk shoppers, Elon. Tsk tsk...

  3. Closes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The loop. This is the answer to no carbon emissions. Not just EVs alone. Hope it works out!

    1. Re:Closes... by Rei · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The solar roofing products are more interesting to me because they're not a "retrofit" tacked onto a house that was never designed for said product. When you're building a home you have to put a roof on either way, so with a well-designed solar roofing product (similar installation labour and design constraints), it's pretty much a no-brainer to go with it. While the solar shingles won't beat asphalt on price, they're reportedly priced similar to clay tiles and the like - and they should have tile-like lifespans, if not better.

      Combined with a Powerwall it gives you A) timeshifting (beneficial if you have time-of-use power rates), a grid-tied inverter (incl. selling back to the grid), and a home battery backup (simple grid-tied inverters go down when the grid goes down and you use your solar; with a battery backup and secondary signal to drive the grid-tied inverter, however, you can get full power in the day and keep a limited subset of your appliances on at night until the grid comes back up.

      I'm in a place where there's no sun all winter and grid power is both cheap and clean, and the house I'm building is underground anyway... so it's not for me. But most people aren't in my situation.

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    2. Re:Closes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Okay if you put up a partition in your mom's basement its not "building a house underground" Agree with the rest

    3. Re: Closes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how you equate asphalt tiles and clay tiles like itâ(TM)s no big deal

      also funny how you say labor cost is the same

      you actually have no clue what you are taking about

    4. Re:Closes... by larryjoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Tesla’s Solar Roof, which is just now hitting the market, is about $52,000 for an average home."

      I'm not sure where the affordability (i.e., volume market viability) threshold is for this type of solar roof, but I imagine that it's less than $52,000, probably way less.

    5. Re: Closes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $52k for a roof is pretty damn expensive on a $350k home. But not so much for an $800k home, especially considering the electric rates that usually go with areas where homes cost that much. This roof could actually pay for itself over its lifespan - no other roof can claim that.

    6. Re:Closes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you live in a place with hail, high winds, fires, etc and would use a clay tile, then those roofs have similar costs to this. As such, Tesla is by far the much better deal.
      OTOH, if you live in a place where you have simple shingle or even cedar shakes, then chances are this roof is a bit much for you, for now.

      I live south of Denver and we are one of the hail capitals in the world. When next hail storm hits and destroys our hail resistant shingled roof, we will switch to this so as to drop our 5000/year insurance, with 2000 deductible and bring it back to 400/year with 500 deductible.

      Windbourne (moderating).

    7. Re:Closes... by rahvin112 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Its value is in new construction hence why they are getting an end aisle demo in the home improvement stores. In comparison to a brand new roof on a brand new house, the price is comparable to standard construction. It's not cost-effective in a retrofit because it replaces the decking, underlayments and several other features of a conventional roofing system which you'd have to remove and throw away on a retrofit. Those system changes are what bring its cost into line with conventional roofing systems. Though not as cheap as asphalt it's cheaper than clay or concrete tile and near the price of a metal roof and it's got similar durability to cement tile or clay.

      It's a competitive product if you are building a new house and want solar, it saves the cost of all the racking and other costs in a solar installation by placing the solar cells under the roof while being essentially cost competitive with a conventional roofing system. This combined system ends up being signficantly cheaper than a conventional roof and external solar panels because the racking and heavy protection systems on a conventional panel aren't needed.

    8. Re: Closes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most roofs in the us are not clay or tile. Tesla roofs are significantly more expensive than a normal roof with solar panels

    9. Re: Closes... by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      have you got any research that shows that?

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    10. Re: Closes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From https://news.energysage.com/how-much-does-the-average-solar-panel-installation-cost-in-the-u-s/

      How Much Do Solar Panels Cost in the U.S. in 2018?

      (Solar panels cost in the U.S.) You’ve probably heard about how solar energy can reduce your electricity bills, but how much do solar panels really cost? The easiest way to calculate the average cost of solar panels is to look at its price in dollars per watt, which is relatively consistent across the United States.

      How much do solar panels cost?
      In 2018, most homeowners are paying between $2.87 and $3.85 per watt to install solar, and the average gross cost of solar panels before tax credits is $16,800. Using the U.S, average for system size at 5 kW (5000 watts), solar panel cost will range from $10,045 to $13,475 (after tax credits).

      That’s nine percent lower than it was a year ago, and solar panel system costs are continuing to fall. However, to really understand what a single solar panel will cost and what a complete solar system will cost, it’s important to compare prices quoted to homeowners in your area – total costs can vary depending on the state that you live in.

      The cost of solar is dropping across the nation. See prices in your area and get free solar quotes on the EnergySage Marketplace.

      Average cost of solar panels based on system size

      Knowing the average cost per watt is helpful, but what does $3.16/watt actually mean for you? The cost of installing solar on your home or business depends on how much electricity you want to generate – a bigger system will cost more, because you’ll need to buy more equipment and more labor will be needed to install it.

      The average solar energy system size in the U.S is approximately 5 kilowatts (kW). Based on the average price of $3.16/watt, a 5kW system would cost $11,060 after tax credits. Below are some average 2017 quotes for other solar energy systems by size:

      6kW solar energy system cost: $13,300

      8kW solar energy system cost: $17,700

      10kW solar energy system cost: $22,100

      These prices reflect the cost of a solar energy system after deducting the federal solar tax credit, which reduces your solar system cost by 30 percent. Some states, local governments, and utilities also offer rebates and other tax incentives that can further reduce the solar system costs in your quotes from solar installers.

      The price of solar panels will also vary from state to state. EnergySage analyzed quote data from the EnergySage Solar Marketplace to develop a range of solar panel system prices for top solar states:

    11. Re: Closes... by Rei · · Score: 1

      I think you need to try reading better. Nowhere did I say that asphalt and clay tiles are equivalent; I said precisely the opposite. And nowhere did I say that clay tile and asphalt roofs have similar labour. I said that solar shingles and clay tiles should have similar labour with a well-designed solar roofing project, which is absolutely true.

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    12. Re: Closes... by morethanapapercert · · Score: 1
      I used to be a roofer, I used to be an electricians apprentice. I've done retro-fit PV panels, stand alone fixed arrays, trombe walls and passive solar pool heaters., I've done pretty much all residential construction tasks from foundation pours to roofing (flat hot roof and shingles), with the exception of installing pre-hung windows. So I feel comfortable in voicing my opinion on the matter of PV panels in new build vs retrofit.

      You're correct in saying that clay tiles are not equal to asphalt. They are typically 25% to 35% more costly in materials, but only about 5% more in terms of labour. However, the advantage is in lifespan and durability. Clay tiles are fireproof, roofs built with clay or concrete tile in mind have stronger joists (the most commonly overlooked extra cost) so while they shed snow better, they also stand up better to the weight of snow from big storms. Typically, clay or concrete tile has twice the lifespan of asphalt.

      However; the parents point wasn't that asphalt and clay are comparable. It was that PV shingle systems are comparable to clay roofs and even then, he was only claiming they were comparable in upfront cost. (and I don't know if he is including the subsidies many areas offer in that comparison) With the PV shingle systems available now, a integrated PV system is about the same in labour and joist costs as asphalt shingle. PV shingles are about the same weight as 35 yr asphalt per m^2, but come in larger sections, much like some metal roof systems. The big catch is, although they cost roughly the same as clay or concrete tile, I am not completely convinced they offer the same durability and longevity. Current PV panels only have roughly a 20 to 25 year lifespan before the output drops too far. And all the systems I know of use a clear plastic layer, not glass as you see in the bigger stand alone systems. Because of that, I expect their fire resistance to be lower and for the plastic to yellow over time, accelerating the drop in output.

      In order to do a proper comparison, you really need to sit down with a local professional installer and look at construction costs (with labour and material listed separately), applicable subsidies and tax breaks, expected PV output at your latitude and so on. It's my professional opinion that a PV shingle system makes good economic sense in far more builds than their are actually being used for.

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    13. Re:Closes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      affordability and costs are going to be 3 parts.
      1) how much of the roof is solar vs non-solar. The solar part is quite a bit more expensive.
      2) how much climate disasters hit your area?
      3) how much electricity and insurance is, and what they save.

      Right now, our home insurance is high due to hail destroying our roof 2x ( along with flooding our house 1x ). If we were to switch to this, which is better than tile for dealing with hail, it would hopefully bring down insurance price. Considering that a shingle roof cost us $10K and 10kw solar panels cost us 25K (well, that was original cost; we are leasing), that is 35K and the roof still does not hold up to hail. So, with a $50K Tesla roof, assuming that it holds up to hail and insurance drops quickly, will pay for roof in 10 years or less.

    14. Re:Closes... by vandamme · · Score: 1

      The market is the same people who can buy a Tesla, pay cash, get the rebate. They can afford tile roofs, so they can get solar instead. Government pays, Elon reaps.

  4. Re:The Absurdity of Claiming to be an Athiest by 50000BTU_barbecue · · Score: 3, Funny

    OK but can you at least learn to spell "atheist" correctly?

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  5. Re: The Absurdity of Claiming to be an Athiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the fuck is crap like this left in place?

  6. Re:The Absurdity of Claiming to be an Athiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sorry this bothers you so much conservative snowflake, but in America you're not forced to believe. Maybe you should move to Russia? Think it over.

  7. 30% tariff will help tesla? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

    If Tesla is making the panels in USA, it will benefit by the tariff on low cost panels from China. But I don't know where Tesla makes its panels.

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    1. Re:30% tariff will help tesla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is benefiting from the 30% tariff on solar panels from China. International trade NGOs recommended an even higher percentage to level the economic field due to China's 60%+ tariff on key materials needed to make solar panels. For anyone to benefit from the tariff, it would need to be raised. Right now US companies and international green energy initiatives are simply being hurt less.

    2. Re: 30% tariff will help tesla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      They have a factory in Buffalo, NY. They don't produce 100% of their own panels, but they do make and ever increasing share as that factory ramps up.

    3. Re:30% tariff will help tesla? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only 10% of panels in the US are from China anyway. Other Asian countries will be hurt more. And the US hurt the most with higher prices for no benefit.

  8. selling direct!! by zlives · · Score: 1

    what happened to direct sales? i mean if you can sell a car direct and fight for that right...why not this?!!

    1. Re:selling direct!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what happened to direct sales? i mean if you can sell a car direct and fight for that right...why not this?!!

      a car is a freestanding item whereas a roof is just part of a house, tesla is not selling houses

    2. Re:selling direct!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well that one's pretty simple: it's Home Depot. Your typical shopper will be somebody who owns property, an older homeowner or someone who owns an apartment building or something. There's a whole segment of the population that doesn't shop for everything online. Your enterprising older geek with a home will be ordering this online, and now your non-techy handyman will be picking one up too on their next reno. Especially if there's a nice rep who's telling you that you can buy something that saves $X% on your electricity bill each month, pays for itself inside of$%Y years, and can ride through a $Z hour blackout at normal load.

      Oh, and now that there's a Powerwall in every garage and a panel on the roof, suddenly that Tesla Model X is looking pretty economical.

      Honestly, I think it's genius. Everyone on Slashdot gets it, and now they can clue in the "regular American" too.

    3. Re:selling direct!! by Jeremi · · Score: 3, Informative

      I believe what happened was that SolarCity found they were spending more on salesmen's salaries than they were getting back in profit, so they stopped doing it.

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    4. Re:selling direct!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tesla is not selling houses

      Of course not, that wouldn't make any sense. That would be like the Boring Company selling flamethrowers.

  9. Iceland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have geothermal in Iceland. And there's the vodka.

    So, Karen - How You Do'in?

    1. Re:Iceland by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " How You Do'in?"

      Interesting use of the apostrophe. The word "doing" has no letters between o and i... so why did you put an apostrophe there, instead of at the end where you left off the letter g?

    2. Re:Iceland by Immerman · · Score: 1

      How do you know they were shooting for "doing"? Could have been "How you do all those sexy drunken games when your roommates aren't in". Those apostrophes can be surprisingly stretchy.

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    3. Re:Iceland by mukinrestak · · Score: 1

      The apostrophe is being used to indicate a slight pause that is not large enough to split "doing" into two separate words. This comes from the stereotypical accent in which the words "How you do'in?" are usually spoken. For the full effect "you" should have been emphasised somehow as well.

  10. Re:The Absurdity of Claiming to be an Athiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I before E, except after C.

  11. Wonder how well they will do by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

    I know when I see the A/C install corner I walk right by. I pretty much walk by all these "displays". But much like email phishing, somebody must stop and buy, otherwise it would stop.

  12. EXCELLENT! A broader base of consumer will by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    have an opportunity to see what TESLA warranty and support is like. Side note, short tesla.

  13. So an aisle end cap then. by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 2

    will be highlighted in high-profile displays, which are 12 feet tall and 7 feet wide

    high profile

    At any rate it will be nice to actually see what the product looks like up close and touchable - they will have the actual product, or at least a small version of it, on display and not a poster, won't they?

    1. Re:So an aisle end cap then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what do you expect exactly? And do you have any idea how much it costs to occupy an endcap at one of these stores? No? stfu then you moron.

    2. Re: So an aisle end cap then. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Tesla is paying for endcaps, then physical product will be displayed.
      With customers walking out of the store with the physical product.

  14. Meanwhile... by zamboni1138 · · Score: 1, Funny

    Meanwhile, people who paid the $1,000 to pre-order a solar roof from Tesla 9 months ago are being told it will be another 5 to 8 months.

    1. Re:Meanwhile... by olsmeister · · Score: 1

      Yup, always under promise, over deliver. I mean over promise, under deliver. Or... fuck, just say whatever gets them to write the check.

  15. Re:The Absurdity of Claiming to be an Athiest by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    You and your Pastor get some things wrong about atheists.
    We have no desire to prove that there is no god. We bottom line don't care.
    So: I'm not traveling from star to star to seek your god and when I'm finished I tell you I did not find him.
    However, if you would provide the craft, I probably would do that, to have some nice journeys.

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  16. another idiotic narcissist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know when I see

    yeah when you live in your mother's basement you are not interesting in the grown-up items

  17. Affordability of Tesla solar roof by steveha · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, 52 grand is pretty expensive. And by investing in your house you are making your property taxes go up, so you will pay again. Elon Musk had this comment: "The economics are not yet compelling where housing and utility costs are low and property taxes are high."

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/sleasca/2017/05/16/tesla-solar-roof-cost/2/

    Tesla is arguing that the roof defrays its own cost by generating electricity; and if you live in a sunny area and put in enough solar cells, the roof will pay for itself (and actually return a profit eventually). But with time value of money it's not a good investment at current prices.

    So, right now, this is a roof for rich people who don't mind dropping a chunk of money that will take a long time to pay back. If you are building a mansion that will cost over a million bucks, why not throw a Tesla roof on it? It would be less than a 5% increase in cost, the roof is durable and looks nice, and you can feel that you are helping combat climate change. And if your neighborhood loses power, you can still have lights on in your house.

    For people like me, and you I'm guessing, this is just too pricey right now.

    Remember how Tesla's first car was a toy for rich people. Baby steps. If this roof product does well, they can ramp up production volume and bring costs down.

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    1. Re: Affordability of Tesla solar roof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Basically, not for Texas

    2. Re: Affordability of Tesla solar roof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wrong.
      Parts of texas get massive winds/Tornadoes and other parts joins Denver CO in being the 2 worst hails. In fact, in that part of Texas, they will get softball size hail, while Denver just gets golf-hard ball. As such, a roof that is BETTER than tile against hail is IDEAL for that area.
      And yes, some of those homes ARE expensive.

    3. Re:Affordability of Tesla solar roof by steveha · · Score: 1

      Remember how Tesla's first car was a toy for rich people.

      Apparently, it can also serve as an interplanetary probe.

      https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/6/16983744/spacex-tesla-falcon-heavy-roadster-orbit-asteroid-belt-elon-musk-mars

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  18. Doesn't matter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 30 year ROI on a Tesla solar system with power walls for my 2500 sqft house is still negative....as such, it's cheaper for me to purchase power from the power companies.

    until that changes, f em

    1. Re:Doesn't matter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considered solar when energy bills were high.
      First things first..
      New insulation, thermal windows, heating system, Led lights, lower appliances.
      I did most of the work to save labor.
      Cost of all material was about half of what solar would have been about 15 years ago.
      My energy bills dropped so much that there's no ROI that would work now.

    2. Re:Doesn't matter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have a pretty good power contract if they lock in the price for 30 years...
      Oh, so you don't actually know what the ROI will be but are just guessing ok.

    3. Re:Doesn't matter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Improving efficiency, especially insulation, is by far the best thing you can do. Too bad it's not sexy.

    4. Re:Doesn't matter. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree completely! Heat/AC in a properly insulated room is extremely effective, especially a well insulated area in the ceiling joists to help keep heat in. Wall insulation when properly done will keep air-conditioned air in and external heat from entering through the sheetrocked walls. Just using cheap window/door paintable caulking around the floor to room joints will help. Also, any window/door openings are suspect. In wintertime just temporarily taping windows with clear plastic sheeting using blue non-super-sticky 'blue painters tape' to the wall (covering the entire window moldings) will help keep out cold air, in springtime carefully remove the 'blue tape' and hopefully it won't remove the paint with it.

  19. Awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm going to buy some to power My Tesla coil.

  20. Re: The Absurdity of Claiming to be an Athiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Why the fuck are we allowing ACs?
    A simple solution would be to drop ACs to -1 right from the gitgo, and then moderators (like me currently), would then have to decide if they are worth taking our of the trash. In General, I am forced to waste too many points on so much trash here.
    And when I am not moderating, the last thing I want to do is deal with ANY AC unless they had something intelligent to say. I would even like to be able to set a level for ACs vs all named. For named, let me view them at 0. For ACs, 2.
    Sad.

  21. Re:The Absurdity of Claiming to be an Athiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Athy, athier, athiest. Duh.

  22. Re: The Absurdity of Claiming to be an Athiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the fuck are we allowing non-ACs?
    A simple solution would be to drop all names from all comments, and then moderators (like me currently) would then have to decide whether something is trash based on what it actually says rather than who happens to be saying it.

  23. Re: The Absurdity of Claiming to be an Athiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Because idiots like you never have anything intelligent to say.

  24. Re:The Absurdity of Claiming to be an Athiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lordy lordy you done been trolled

  25. Fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is fake news, just like global warming. Clean coal is the future and the biggest free energy technology since superconductive Qi chargers.

    1. Re:Fake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as burning coal and calling it 'clean'. Are you from W. Virginia? Just asking...

  26. How much for my house? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1400 square foot house

  27. Fuck Home Depot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Conservative fucktards don't deserve any money from anyone! Musk is on thin ice!

  28. Re: The Absurdity of Claiming to be an Athiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to post here regularly, then stopped when Dice tried the 'New /.', since I lurk and occasionaly post as AC. Some of my rare posts do get modded up "informative", though I agree that (at least in this story's comments) ACs are posting a lot of crap and aren't being modded to -1 quickly enough.

  29. Re: Needs Amazon with free delivery, B&M? Real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lol, I have 6 solar panels, and lots of other stuff from drunk shopping on Amazon in my garage.

  30. Yes but by The+Cisco+Kid · · Score: 1

    1. Will the products be physically in stock for you to buy, load in your truck and take home? Or will it just be some sort of display where you have to order them and then wait?

    2. Will they be anywhere near in a price range that someone could buy without taking out the equivalent of a 2nd mortgage?

  31. $52,000 for an average home. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But slashdot promised me it would be less expensive than a standard roof. I replaced the roof on my average house a few years ago and it cost $15k, and that included all new plywood and gutters.

    My yearly averaged electric bill is $61/month. $52000/61=$61/month =852 months to repayment, or 71 years.

  32. Re:The Absurdity of Claiming to be an Athiest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The definition of an atheist is someone who does not believe in God. You do not need absolute proof something does not exist to not believe in it.

    Therefore all your arguing* is based on a faulty premise.

    *Well as much as I could be bothered to read. I assume the rest is much the same.

  33. First Things First by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    How Much?

  34. Temperate/cloudy climates by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

    Is there any cost-effective use for these sorts of things in climates like mine (northeast Ohio, on the edge of the primary Lake Erie snow belt) with significant cloud cover almost year-round? Not trolling. I really am curious. The answer was a definite no in the past, but perhaps that has changed?

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    Nonaggression works!