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What Are Today's Most Difficult IT Hires? (cio.com)

Slashdot reader snydeq shared an article from CIO: The IT talent gap is driving up demand for skilled IT pros, but for certain roles and skillsets, finding -- and signing -- the right candidate can feel a bit like trying to capture a unicorn... AI and data science jobs are at the top of the list, in part because they're relatively young technologies, and they're being introduced in all sorts of companies going through their digital transformation. At the same time, there are some surprises... The experts we talked with name-checked a laundry list of desirable skills and needed experience with emerging areas like cognitive computing, machine learning, data analytics, IoT and blockchain. But the true unicorns are candidates who can not only deepen their bench of tech skills but keep an eye on the bottom line.
The article also cites high demand for data privacy experts, penetration testers with a scientific mind-set, and adaptable developers (including DevOps engineers), as well as experts in robotics and cryptology. But everyone's experiencing the job market differently, so the original submission ends with a question for Slashdot readers.

"What hires are you having the most difficulty making these days?"

281 comments

  1. Hard to hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    We're having difficulty finding someone who is a blockchain expert with 5+ years in Lightning Network experience.

    HR won't let us hire anyone with less, and demands at least 2/3s of new Engineering hires be non-white non-male.

    1. Re: Hard to hire by sycodon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sarcasm noted, but it is very close to the real truth.

      The most difficult person to hire is someone you can abuse like an H-1B, but is a citizen.

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    2. Re: Hard to hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You can abuse as much as you want if the pay is right. The prostitution industry proved this long, long ago.

    3. Re:Hard to hire by swilver · · Score: 2

      This is normal. It just takes 3-4 years on average to find such a person.

    4. Re: Hard to hire by Hal_Porter · · Score: 4, Funny

      And not just the prostitution industry

      http://www.lifeisajoke.com/wor...

      PROSTITUTE OR CONSULTANT?

      * You work very odd hours.
      * You are paid a lot of money to keep your client happy.
      * You are paid well but your pimp gets most of the money.
      * You spend a majority of your time in a hotel room.
      * You charge by the hour but your time can be extended for the right price.
      * You are not proud of what you do.
      * Creating fantasies for your clients is rewarded.
      * It's difficult to have a family.
      * You have no job satisfaction.
      * If a client beats you up, the pimp just sends you to another client.
      * You are embarrassed to tell people what you do for a living.
      * People ask you what you do and you can't explain it.
      * Your family hardly recognizes you at reunions (at least the reunions you attend).
      * Your friends have distanced themselves from you and you're left hanging with only other professionals.
      * Your client pays for your hotel room plus your hourly rate.
      * Your client always wants to know how much you charge and what they get for the money.
      * Your pimp drives nice cars like Mercedes or BMWs.
      * Your pimp encourages drinking and you become addicted to drugs to ease the pain of it all.
      * You know the pimp is charging more than you are worth but if the client is foolish enough to pay it's not your problem.
      * When you leave to go see a client, you look great, but return looking like hell (compare your appearance on Monday A.M. to Friday P.M.).
      * You are rated on your performance in an excruciating ordeal.
      * Even though you get paid the big bucks, it's the client who walks away smiling.
      * The client always thinks your cut of your billing rate is higher than it actually is, and in turn, expects miracles from you.
      * When you deduct your take from your billing rate, you constantly wonder if you could get a better deal with another pimp.
      * Everyday you wake up and tell yourself you're not going to be doing this stuff for the rest of your life.

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    5. Re: Hard to hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a retired consultant, I disagree with most of these. It was was an awesome experience(s) and I retired early. What can be better? As long as I got paid the big bucks, I didn't care about anything else.

    6. Re: Hard to hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most difficult person to hire is someone you can abuse like an H-1B, but is a citizen.

      I believe those are the "adaptable developers" mentioned in the summary.

    7. Re: Hard to hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      As a retired hooker, I disagree with most of these. It was was an awesome experience(s) and I retired early. What can be better? As long as I got paid the big bucks, I didn't care about anything else.

    8. Re:Hard to hire by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Required skills: Candidate must demonstrate proficiency in programming in PostScript and be able to divide by zero.

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    9. Re: Hard to hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      LMAO, I've been consulting on and off trying to make ends meet, and it is worse than prostitution. Pristitutes at least can afford stuff and retire.
      I'm not an H1B, I just can't find a job because of HR diversity requirement. I've seen others get hired with limited/no experience/skills, who then go on to interview others (at Facebook, Amazon).
      HR is a corrupt system. In China they execute corrupted bureaucrats. I want the same here.

    10. Re: Hard to hire by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Noting that many of those could be applied to working in/at or for the White House, Congress or "Hollywood". Not trolling, just saying ... look them over again.

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    11. Re: Hard to hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chuck Norris can divide by zero.

    12. Re:Hard to hire by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      that's the time to put it to HR as an intern/training/research job. Pick your closest enclave of ethnic diversity and go crazy.

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    13. Re: Hard to hire by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1
      I can divide Chuck Norris by the square root of Zero (for certain values of virtual Chuck Norris).

      But I am not willing to develop software in an unpleasant environment while being constantly bullied.

      I retired a long time ago.

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    14. Re: Hard to hire by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I'd say those places are even more like prostitution. Particularly Hollywood, given the recent revelations about women being forced to sleep with people like Weinstein to get a job.

      Actually what was even more striking about Hollywood is that presumably a lot of people knew about Weinstein's sexual degeneracy but you still had staunch feminists like Streep calling him 'God' ('Old Testament I guess') and 'The Punisher'

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    15. Re: Hard to hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can divide Chuck Norris by the square root of Zero (for certain values of virtual Chuck Norris).

      But I am not willing to develop software in an unpleasant environment while being constantly bullied.

      I retired a long time ago.

      I think that's the biggest problem. The environment.

      I get offers from small businesses every week saying that I'll be working on a 'team' with one or two other people. The requirements? Be able to program in a combination of Visual Basic 6, Haskell, and Perl.

      Ok...that's about the most retarded way to offer a job. Why don't you tell me *what* you are trying to accomplish? What's the goal? What are the parameters?

      Stop telling your talented people *what* to do. Instead tell them *what you are trying to accomplish* and let them figure it out.

      I've turned down about 50 job offers so far this year because every single one says something like "We're developing X and we need someone who knows how to program for {Windows, Azure}". Where 'X' is something that's already been done more efficiently in a Linux or BSD environment or has no current need to scale to thousands of instances (except for maybe the fact that Windows is slow garbage).

      For example "We're developing the next Facebook and we need someone who knows how to program in Node".

      Ok. Has anyone asked *why* this 'facebook killer' needs to be done in node? What are you actually trying to accomplish here? You have one 'developer' on your team. Is the 'node' requirement simply because he or she has no clue how to program in another language?

      Or "We're developing a cloud-based logging system and need someone who knows how to program with AWS".

      Uh..ok...you're developing an alternative to an ELK stack or Splunk?

      "No, we're deploying an ELK stack to Azure on Windows to store client log data for analysis with a Ruby tool we want you to develop".

      Ok...so this tool doesn't exist, but you want it written in Ruby? Why?

      "Because we like Ruby"

      "Go fuck yourself."

      The majority of companies that are whining that they can't hire competent people are companies that are simply incompetent themselves and have surrounded themselves with incompetent people. They don't listen to their engineers and developers. They dictate to their engineers and developers.

      Stop doing that. Tell your staff what you want to accomplish and let them solve the problem for you.

      That 'creativity' is why most people got into software development or engineering in the first place.

    16. Re: Hard to hire by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      The main difference is mostly that the older you get as a consultant, the more you are sought after and the more your client is willing to pay because he thinks you're better at what you're doing and more likely to be able to fulfill his fantasies.

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    17. Re:Hard to hire by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      no one competent get hired by hr. you get sent there for the rubber stamp by people in charge.

    18. Re: Hard to hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea face a similar struggle. Except we have a need for professionals team players who aren't a bunch of whiney spoiled little brats that think by just being born they are somehow superior to everyone. Unfortunately the only people we get applying are right wing White guys that only "think" they know something worthwhile. It is so hard to find real talent these days.

    19. Re: Hard to hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just say it - you are looking for N1GGERS. Migrate your stupid company to Africa.

    20. Re:Hard to hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remark: non-white AND non-male, counts as 1, not 2! So you need at least 2/3 non-YOU to comply, or 5% to be more precise.

    21. Re: Hard to hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hollywood's corrupt and nobody cares because those actors and actresses are making massive amounts of money for the price of having a bad taste in their mouths forever

    22. Re: Hard to hire by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      And all this time business folks have been telling us that Americans are just plain stupid, but someone who knows the less can get an H1B at 10 cents on the dollar and be just smart enough to get hired. Amazing is it not?

    23. Re: Hard to hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You worked at KPMG too, hunh?

    24. Re: Hard to hire by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      If a shop is using VB6, Haskell, and Perl, they've got people and software in those languages, and writing some new software in Forth is going to need the shop to develop new skills and support new software. Typically the overall structure is a lot harder to change than the structure of a single program or group of programs.

      If we needed some utility, and someone said "Here's the version that works great on Linux and BSD", and it had to fit in with the rest of the software we've got, we couldn't use it. It would be far less work to port it to MS Windows and compensate for Windows' inefficiencies than to change everything else to work with Linux or BSD.

      Most projects are not done by people just hired who come in and develop them from scratch, without regard to existing software. Most projects need to be supported by people who are already there, and don't actually know Snobol, and need to work on the systems they already have.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  2. From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most difficult IT hires are the dev/admin/whatever with 20 years of experience willing to work for minimum wage. Woe is the poor cheap-ass employer.

    1. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by scsirob · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This. Plus the ones that have 20 years of experience with a technology that didn't exist 10 years ago.

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    2. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those aren't real ads. After running the ad and concluding that no candidates came forward, the company is free to hire an H1B to displace an American worker. They don't actually expect anyone to answer the ad, it's just in fulfillment of a legal requirement.

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    3. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And to try and get them, they ask idiot "tech" recruiters who go after that "smell of success" by vgrepping for buzzwords.

      Though there is some interesting (Chinese sense) variation:

      penetration testers with a scientific mind-set,

      Too many cowboys in "cyber security". Makes sense because all of "cyber security" consists of s'kiddies calling themselves "hackers" and bicker among themselves about hat colour. Finally figuring out this particular cottage industry sells mostly imperial textiles, eh.

      and adaptable developers (including DevOps engineers),

      I have sysadmin AND development experience, and that's always been a point against me, even before devops became a thing. Just like "can do" and "I don't know but I'll figure it out" attitude (a rather essential trait for generalist sysadmins) gets mentally filed under "attitude", not "can do". Thanks, HR drones.

      Bitter, me? You bet, with reason well beyond being an occupational hazard for this line of work. But that isn't the point.

      I say people selection is the most important thing, and so far "we" are doing poorly. Executives watching their people burn out is but a high point in this particular traveling crap shoot and shit show.

    4. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by scsirob · · Score: 1

      I'd hire you in a heartbeat.

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    5. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mistake. Bitterness is like radioactive material, it will slowly but constantly damage everyone around it.

    6. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and adaptable developers (including DevOps engineers),

      I have sysadmin AND development experience, and that's always been a point against me, even before devops became a thing. Just like "can do" and "I don't know but I'll figure it out" attitude (a rather essential trait for generalist sysadmins) gets mentally filed under "attitude", not "can do". Thanks, HR drones.

      Bitter, me? You bet, with reason well beyond being an occupational hazard for this line of work. But that isn't the point.

      I say people selection is the most important thing, and so far "we" are doing poorly. Executives watching their people burn out is but a high point in this particular traveling crap shoot and shit show.

      I have a similar background & attitude. I think outside the box. After years of being a sysadmin in IT, I transitioned to DevOps where my programming the infrastructure was recognized and rewarded.

      I avoid the larger companies. They want someone that fits a niche. Probably more than one because there's enough work. Conformance is the norm and thinking outside the box is punished if someone higher up didn't agree. Sometimes making things more reliable instead of constant fixing isn't allowed, especially if you charge customers by the hour.

      At smaller companies, you get to be creative in your approach. I've installed soundproofing and ducting in the data closet that was 2 small offices with the walls knocked down. Added my own monitoring of things IT wouldn't so I could put a ticket in when things broke/affected our office.

      In the larger companies I'd be told not to put my bandaid on, but to add it to the "right place". My bandaid took an hour, the "right" place would be getting access/permission to things (and the politics), spending time to learn the systems and getting others to use it. Often the "right" way would be weeks and the access would disappear sometime later.

      We had $250,000 of computer equipment damaged by a leak on the floor above. We were lucky that it didn't leak over the data center. I wanted to quickly put a tarp over the data center to direct possible leaks to a bucket along the wall while a better solution came up. That was nixed, a committee formed to come up with the right fix. Move the data center, redo the floor layout of outside the DC, put in new carpet & furnishing. After 6 months, a new VP started and the budget got taken for his new office. 3 years later, the leak happen again. It was finally fixed when we moved to a new facility in another town. 3 months after that, an AC unit catchpan leaked. They fixed that by putting a drain on the catchpan like the HVAC installer should've when installing it.

      I hate big companies.

    7. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      I’m seeing this more now. I started off programming (basic and derivatives then C) and migrated into systems management (with shell and perl mainly) but continue to program for fun (php, mysql, with jquery and css). My home environment is or is moving to rcs/git, jenkins, artifactory, phpunit, ansible and tower, and puppet. None of that shows up on a resume though. Until you can get past HR, you’re invisible.

      [John]

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    8. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by hwstar · · Score: 1

      Are your terminators active or passive aggressive :)

    9. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      And why don't you put it on a resume?

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    10. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like the T-shirt said: "Attitudes are contagious. Mine just might kill you."

    11. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by rnturn · · Score: 1

      ``I have sysadmin AND development experience, and that's always been a point against me, even before devops became a thing. Just like "can do" and "I don't know but I'll figure it out" attitude (a rather essential trait for generalist sysadmins) gets mentally filed under "attitude", not "can do". Thanks, HR drones.'

      I run into this a lot. I've always been able to figure new tech out--point me to a manual or a web page and I'm off to the races--but that doesn't seem to count for much in many HR folks' minds. And some hiring manager's minds as well. One of the things I've run into are job ads that appear to be written with the idea of hiring someone who can ``figure it out''--i.e., apparently targeting candidates with background in general areas--but when you get in front of the manager you're grilled about whether you have ever used `Product A', `Product B', `Product C', etc. Things that were never mentioned in the job ads and might have saved both parties the wasted time of a face-to-face interview had the candidate known that specific products were critical to the position (when they rarely are---we can figure it out, right? Damn right!). Or there's the hiring manager who tells the recruiters that lengthy experience in a particular technology isn't a showstopper. Then, the very first thing you receive as feedback is that you don't have enough experience in that specific technology.

      I'm beginning to think that, in some ways, the rise of open source software has made it more difficult to find employment in some areas of IT. Think about it: for any given aspect of, say, a sysadmin's job, there might be a dozen (at least) different software packages that could be used to accomplish the tasks associated with that part of the job. Now consider all the different things you might get involved in as part of that job and the number of packages that can be used to address those areas... the number of combinations of the software packages that a hiring manager starts insisting on you having skyrockets. (And that doesn't even consider the managers who think that having used ImportantTool V3.x is critical--experience in V2 is useless.) And so do the odds against finding a candidate who will meet all these ``requirements''---the mythical ``Purple Squirrels''. The failure of companies to refuse to take into account that there are, indeed, highly adaptable candidates out there with the ability to ``figure it out'' is paralyzing the hiring process. I'm seeing job ads appear from time to time for months and months (sometimes showing up for as long as a year) for the same position at some companies. How can that possibly be doing the company any good?

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    12. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      The question is strange. "IT" is not a general purpose term to describe everyone who programs or touches a computer. Why would an IT person know about blockchain or AI unless they ran across it in school, since it's not in the job description of any IT department. The language is changing too much. For me, I wouldn't even call DevOps IT.

    13. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by geek · · Score: 2

      Those aren't real ads. After running the ad and concluding that no candidates came forward, the company is free to hire an H1B to displace an American worker. They don't actually expect anyone to answer the ad, it's just in fulfillment of a legal requirement.

      Very true in Silly-Con Valley but the rest of the US is a different story. Broaden your search and you'll find SV is the outlier, not the norm.

    14. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because he's full of it.

    15. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit, I've been interested in relocating out of NYC for a while, but flyover country has less jobs and less pay. I think living in a small city of less than a million appealing in a quaint homey kind of way, but sadly there's just nothing interesting going on out there.

    16. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember when I went through this I was hoping nobody applies. Nobody did. But I think there was a process in place in case an American did apply.

      The good jobs are in the US. But it's very long and stressful for others to get them. Please keep that in mind.

    17. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly that. HR does not expect anyone to answer their H1B obligatory job ad. H1B is a scam, the sooner it stops the better for America.

    18. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by DeBaas · · Score: 1

      I have sysadmin AND development experience, and that's always been a point against me, even before devops became a thing. Just like "can do" and "I don't know but I'll figure it out" attitude (a rather essential trait for generalist sysadmins) gets mentally filed under "attitude", not "can do". Thanks, HR drones.

      When I grew up companies in my country had departments called 'wages administration'. The selection was largely done by the direct superiors (the people that would feel the pain from bad staff). I guess HR sounds more important and now we have HR...
      I am not to say everything used to be better, but in this case... Let HR worry about salaries etc. and keep them out of the selection process. Let techies hire techies.

      BTW I once heard of one contractor that rigged the system of recruiters searching only for keywords. He would put on his resume 'I don't have ISTQB', which got him in the door for lots of jobs explicitly requiring ISTQB....

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    19. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bitterness is a trait of a good deal of experience. You millennial imbeciles haven't lived long to know it, that's why you suck, crybabies. Where do you work at, facebooks, microsofts?

    20. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "IT" is a very broad term for people who work in Information Technology. Not everyone is an overpaid programmer who makes six figures. You need people to build out data centers, lay down fiber optic cables and support users. Some of those people have been doing it for 20+ years for "minimum wage" (five figures).

    21. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Your last point isn't an open source issue. Consider how many Unix variants and C variants and FORTRAN variants and whatever else there was even before Linux came around. Never mind all of the other non-Unix-like OS' from back when every hardware vendor rolled their own completely unique OS to go with it.

    22. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the vote of confidence, but you can't hire me. I'm in a country (native too, natch) that requires ID paperwork both to travel out of it, and to work inside it. Mine expired and though I asked a few times, the government won't replace it.

      The... well, let's call it most elegant way out of this conundrum is probably to declare myself sovereign then issue acceptable travel papers myself. But I don't have the required army and navy to make that stick. Probably a little too costly to crowdfund either, n'mind both.

    23. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mistake. Bitterness is like radioactive material, it will slowly but constantly damage everyone around it.

      It's not me. It's you.

      I'm currently being paid about $120,000/year to do jack shit from home because a company of 14 people has 7 different managers that all give conflicting information and one huge douche of a 'software director' who told me on my first day that we were going to trash everything and re-write in Python (because that's what he and his buddy knows) even though we had a finished product ready to launch. He told me on day two that the code standard was "tabs instead of spaces". On day three he said "I'll have something for you to work on as soon as I stub out some initial code" and then he never got back to me. Requests of "Anything you need me to work on today?" usually go unanswered or I play the "check with X" game until I've plowed through all 7 managers and they all say "check with someone else".

      It's been over a year since the douce-director took over and trashed the code and we're still deploying the old working code to customers paying hundreds of thousands of dollars. His code still doesn't even run. But everyone in management is *thrilled* that he's revolutionizing our development to be more like Google and Facebook--we're deploying to AWS using a technology that locks us in to AWS using a 'wave of the future' language (Python) and tabs instead of spaces (probably because they watched Silicon Valley on HBO), and he can use phrases like "Don't worry, our AI will take care of filtering spam" when the code is actually something like "if 'crap' in words: return True"....uh...that's not 'AI', but good job with the bald-faced lie and the ability to convince managers that it's true...

      It's *really* annoying to someone like me who thinks it's criminal to be idle. But they know full-well that I'm not doing a damn thing and they won't address it.

      Bringing any of this bullshit up to management makes me "not a team player" and "negative". Yeah, it's definitely made me bitter. I don't want to sit here for years on end doing jack shit while being managed by incompetent morons only to release a product that no one wants to pay for because there are literally *thousands* of open source alternatives already out there and already working.

      I want to actually *do* something with my talent. I want to help someone achieve their goals while making a decent amount of money to keep my family fed, clothed, and sheltered while also having enough left over that I can do something to help some people who really need it.

    24. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why don't you put it on a resume?

      That, and perhaps a note that says something like "I have been in the IT industry for X {years,decades} and have worked with so many technologies there is a good chance I forgot to list it on my resume. If there's a specific item or skill you are looking for, please don't hesitate to contact me for the answer."

      If someone does contact you, give them a straight answer. If it's a technology you know, say "Yes! I'm totally familiar with that. Thanks for pointing out that it wasn't on my resume" and then immediately update your resume.

      If you don't know it, say "I'm sorry, but I'm not as familiar with it as I would like--but if you'll put me in for consideration, I guarantee I'll know it by the end of the {week,month} as I'm going to go learn everything I can possibly learn about it right now."

      I had a company contact me years ago saying they needed help with Microsoft's Distributed Filesystem Replication. I told them I wasn't too familiar with it, but I would be in 2 weeks.

      I spent two weeks setting up a test network complete with simulated lossy WAN links and doing everything I could to test and break DFS.

      Surprisingly they came back three weeks later and presented their problem. My response was "Yeah, I've definitely run into that during my testing. Here's how I propose we 'patch' it, and here's how I recommend we solve it long-term."

      I ended up working for them for 6 years deploying equipment to their new offices as they expand. Instead of Windows and DFS they got Samba, ZFS, and file replication tools. The solution is still rock-solid today and the techs they eventually hired to replace me when I left are still deploying it today. Cryptolocker has zero impact on them thanks to a solution that watches file read/writes and fail2ban scripts to monitor for suspicious filenames. I was pretty close to a solution that would use machine learning on the filenames to detect cryptolocker variants before I decided it was 'good enough' and I moved on.

    25. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you considered using your "free" time from home either applying to better jobs or else starting a business?

    26. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by menkhaura · · Score: 1

      Can you name the country? Sounds almost like my own People's Republic of Brazil.

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      Fellow slashdotter Bill Dog
    27. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by c120plus · · Score: 1

      I want to actually *do* something with my talent. I want to help someone achieve their goals while making a decent amount of money to keep my family fed, clothed, and sheltered while also having enough left over that I can do something to help some people who really need it.

      Well, if you have the free time, why not learn Python 3. Seriously, it's a lot of fun and when you 're coming from a strongly typed, compiled language, you can avoid pythons weaknesses with tests and type annotations. I chose Python as a 2nd-best for every task in 2014, after completing a small problem in Python to teach it myself. Now 4 years later I'm rolling out a lot of Python code in production (mostly web connectivity, where my main language is not good it), and I consider myself lucky I chose that language... For you it gave you the extra bonus of being able to shred your bosses code if it becomes necessary...

    28. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder where they're getting the money to squander with their self-aggrandizing Dunning-Kruger syndrome.

      Me, I have plenty of projects I might work on when I'm not fending off depression because I'm buckling under the strain of making do with the last dregs of my savings and the prospect of having to deal with hateful bureaucrats again, before I might take myself back to the meat market to be fibbed off by the idiot recruiters.

      At least you're getting paid a princely sum for all that idle time you might use to, well, invent python4 or something. You want ideas to work on? A quick check of my "vapourware" folder shows 44 files outlining projects large and small. Not all are much good, but all I thought were worth the time to commit to paper^Welectronic file, at least. Yes, I'm one of those fscking useless "Ideas Men". I've got concepts that need put into code or hardware up the ying yang. This is actually easy for me, to the point that I wonder how you get through the day without having an idea or two to work on. Ideas are easy, making them happen, something else entirely.

      One idea that's not in there but ought to be obvious for recent slashdot readers: Find a couple cameras and try and reverse-engineer their firmware to the point that you can boot your own. Open source that, then try and add encryption. Especially the encryption is tricky and needs specialist supervision at least, but the reversing is mostly scutwork once you have the basics down; it's just really time consuming and boring. It's a sure idle time black hole. Or start with looking what others have done, perhaps run a community site to gather all the code, catalogue what we know, that sort of thing. Dig up things that went AWOL, like the "linux on cisco" stuff.

      Another idea: Take rockbox (the alternative mp3 player firmware) and teach it to do the same trick that cdrom emulating usb hdd enclosures do. Add cd/dvd-r/w support. That way you can take any random laptop with a recovery partition and have it make you those "recovery DVDs", but as images held on your music player. Open source everything, of course. It sounds stupid and mundane, but is one of those things that are stupidly handy to have around when you need'em. Here you go, just a few ideas that are sure time sinks. If you have to learn C to get going, that's just an added bonus in your case. You can even justify that to your employer, should he ask: "Well, if we have to scale eventually then you need to get close to the metal, at least for the critical stuff, and C, the portable assembler, is just the thing."

    29. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by FuzzyDaddy2 · · Score: 1

      Iâ(TM)ve got over twenty years experience, and Iâ(TM)m certainly not bitter. Iâ(TM)ve certainly seen my share of bullshit over the years. Accept that human nature is human nature, work to make the work environment better instead of just bitching all the time, and recognize when itâ(TM)s time to move on.

    30. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if you have the free time, why not learn Python 3. Seriously, it's a lot of fun and when you 're coming from a strongly typed, compiled language, you can avoid pythons weaknesses with tests and type annotations.

      My criticism of Python is Guido mixes procedural programming and object-oriented programming throughout the language. Why do I have to type len(str) when str,len() should be the way of determining string length? Why type list[start:end], known as slice when there is a function named slice() which should be attached to objects such as lists, as in list_name.slice(arguments)? But the existing slice() does not work that way. There was no excuse not top make Python 100% object-oriented from the outset other than the Python creator is an academic, ivory tower moron.

    31. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Northern Eurocratia, where there is just about no black or grey economy to take refuge in. Brazil's government is much more severely dysfunctional in the common case but in this scenario that's a boon: You actually don't need to starve if you are willing to drop out of the white parts of the economy, because it's less than half the total economy. Not so much here.

    32. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by reanjr · · Score: 1

      Making six figures doesn't make you overpaid. If you build a server in a data center, that's one server. If you program scripts to launch servers in a data center, you have done the work of X IT guys.

      Or to put it another way, I assume all programmers can do basic IT. I make no such assumptions about IT workers.

    33. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by jrumney · · Score: 1

      I called an agent on one of these once (it was a targeted email, as I was in his database with the experience and skills the position was asking for, though with a latest salary 4x what was beng offered), and he called me racist.

    34. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      I dunno. I've worked for a lot of small companies. In general they use the "chicken with its head off" style of management, have little/no opportunity for professional advancement, and are lacking in resources.

    35. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Also, earning "six figures" - i.e. $1nn,000 - in Silicon Valley gets you a shitty rented studio apartment in a bad neighborhood. I guess that's "overpaid" compared to people who have to live with roommates. But it's pretty modest pay compared with the actual cost of living.

    36. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why assume that? Contempory programmers aren't necessarily skilled in operations and the many domains that comprise modern information technology. It doesn't surprise me, though, when a competent business or operations analyst becomes a competent programmer.

    37. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rcs/git?! I suggest you keep rcs far from your resume.

    38. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have seen this first hand so you can't rule it out.

    39. Re:From most of the jobs I see posted online by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      I saw a job posting for an experienced .NET developer.

      The position literally paid BELOW Walmart greeter hourly.

    40. Re: From most of the jobs I see posted online by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      The fact that Python is so preferred by devs means you're having to compete against more people for it.

      I seriously doubt Python qualifies as "most difficult it hire".

  3. CAD engineers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No formal credentials for cad engineer so they are hard to recruit and assess.

    1. Re:CAD engineers by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      I'm an engineer and have often been called a cad.

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  4. Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The reason Iâ(TM)ve not taken many it jobs is pay. They want a skilled and talented professional who stays current and they think $75k is a fair salary for that. I do not agree so I work for much more where I am and stay put.

    1. Re: Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might be fair in rural America somewhere, but it is not in a major city. When your rent is $600 a month for a 3 bedroom house, $75,000 is gobs plenty.

    2. Re:Show me the money. by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      Where I live, companies are crying about not being able to find good IT staff, but wages haven't gone up. A friend who is often involved in hiring IT staff complained about this, so I asked him: "What are you offering?". Not a lot, i.e. "market rates" which are what they are because pretty much every large company refuses to pay more to attract more talent. I pointed this out to him, and he explained they are pretty much bound to pay grades set by HR, which dictate that this apparently rare and desirable talent can't cost more than €70,000 anually, whereas a cookie cutter PM is easily worth €100,000

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    3. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All of these companies will be out of business, replaced by a few companies that understand the value that IT delivers. Today they can still sell the crap that some cheap workers cobbled together. Automation hasn't hit them yet. That's why they focus on "the business side", i.e. getting more for what they have to offer. They don't realize they're falling further behind every day, and soon what they offer will be worthless. No amount of marketing will be able to sell it.

    4. Re:Show me the money. by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      I mentioned, upthread, that my company's HR foisted an new job title and pay-grade system on us, last year. As a Team Lead, I was in on the management briefings.

      A few things stood out.

      One: HR's goal is to find and hire the absolutely best people available. But it's also their goal to pay dead-center median salary for it. I pointed that out, and they simply ignored the question.

      Two: employees who appear to be looking elsewhere for employment are identified, and labeled as "flight risks". Because nothing shows an employee their value to a firm like being given the same label as a criminal suspect. . . .

      Three: For those of us on contracts that are ending, they will 'attempt' to find us other positions in the firm. But not to expect action until 4 weeks out. . .

      Needless to say, I'm already a "flight risk". . . .

    5. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've worked the same $50K job for three years now, right? You've pretty well established that you aren't going anywhere, no matter how shitty of a salary they give you.

    6. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have a five year contract in government IT with full benefits, 20 PTO days and annual bonuses, would you leave for a job with more money, less benefits and no job security?

    7. Re:Show me the money. by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      > replaced by a few companies that understand the value that IT delivers.

      A competitor does not have to have good IT to drive a company with poor IT out of business. It merely has to have enough market presence to cause the first company to fail to stay in business. Competitors can be cheaper (since good IT costs money and resources). Competitors can be better in other ways, especially in a flooded market. Competitors can steal from the company with good It: this happened to DEC with the theft of the Alpha technologies for the Pentium chips and the theft of the Ultrix kernel for NT.

      The idea that quality or ethics will automatically win in the open market is a common one, but it has _many_ exceptions. I'm sorry to say it is not a reliable basis for a business plan or hiring practices.

    8. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose it depends. If I felt I could get a better salary than $50K in the Silicon Valley I would definitely leave. Obviously if I really liked the job that would be motivation not to change, but on the other hand if I was in a situation where I had not saved up really any money for retirement that would be more motivation to make sure I was getting paid more.

      $50K is so low end in SV that I have to believe with just a year or two of experience a substantial pay raise would be possible.

    9. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $50K is so low end in SV that I have to believe with just a year or two of experience a substantial pay raise would be possible.

      The pay scale for IT support (no programming) in Silicon Valley is $20K to $50K per year. Unless you change jobs every so often, nominal pay raises are 2% per year. People with 20+ years of IT support are usually the ones who enjoy their jobs and learned how to live with fewer tech toys.

    10. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a lot of talk about disruption, and it has become a buzzword, but that's what is going to happen to all those companies. If you're not automating everything that can be automated, you will be a has-been. You can compete manually for a while, but eventually all those little threads that your competitors have been spinning while you were only concerned with "the business side" will come together and put them in a position that puts you out of business. You won't even know what you need to do to catch up, let alone have the time.

    11. Re: Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Show a single link to a $20k SV IT job and I will eat my pants. The idea is absurd.

    12. Re: Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had an interview for a $25 per hour job as a Silicon Valley PC tech. The hiring manager claimed that the recruiter had the wrong pay info and tried to hard sell me to take the job at $10 per hour, claiming that I could do no better after the Great Recession. I walked out and didn't look back. No one should work for a sweat shop.

    13. Re: Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would you do if you were an hiring manager and you saw a fat retard like creimer walking in looking for a job?

      I am surprised that he went up as far as 10$ an hour. It seems pretty generous to me!

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    14. Re: Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I made more money and had more work during "the Great Recession"!

      In those times, companies rationalize and keep productive workers to keep running, paying more if needed.

      On the hand, fucktards like creimer that contribute almost nothing to the organization are laid off.

    15. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This thread was going great until the creimertards showed up.

    16. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not a "flight risk", you're expendable. Your employer is thinking about your next assignment.

    17. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you figure? Was it interesting? Enlightening? Funny?

      Every single person here knows that Silicon Valley IT professionals don't earn in the range of $20-$50K/year, so really the only the response is to ignore the idiot who said it, or to make fun of the idiot for saying something obviously untrue.

    18. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if you think IT is only programmers. Non-programmers in IT support roles are paid far less than programmers. Without people to build out data centers, run cables and support users, the cloud wouldn't exist.

      Seriously, how much do you think help desk techs are paid in Silicon Valley?

    19. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More than $20K. I asked you to find a link to a $20K job (which would be illegally low) and you can't, you just tell us about a personal story from 15 years ago.

      SV IT doesn't go for $20K. It makes no sense, substitute teachers or night watchmen make way more than that in the SV.

    20. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I stand corrected. I haven't realized that the minimum wage in Silicon Valley went up this year. The lowest rate that a tech can make is between $13.50 and $15.00 per hour.

      https://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2018/01/02/minimum-wage-bay-area

      BTW, minimum wage 15 years ago was $5.15 per hour. Federal minimum wage today is $7.25.

    21. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of creimer's personality disorder is a very strong defense mechanism; flight into fantasy. If he thinks there are IT jobs that pay 20K$, then he's doing amazing at 50K$, despite the evidence that it's not.

      https://www.psychologytoday.co...

      " Preference for fantasy as a defense mechanism over reality considerations. Painful events in childhood often lead to suppression, dissociation and varying degrees of retreat into fantasy processes. These habit patterns become addictive and long lasting."

      creimer has a disassociative personality disorder. Without serious intervention, he will never change this pattern.

      Of course, there are more disorders with creimer's personality, but it's exhausting just thinking about it.

    22. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the problem with creimertards. Every AC is creimer. The entire thread goes south after that.

    23. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It only happens in Creimer threads, and every creimer thread is shit as soon as creimer posts it. That's why he's moderated to -1, so nobody has to see a creimer thread unless they specifically want to.

    24. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem isn't creimer. It's the damn creimertards with their copy and paste comments. The same shit for months on end. You're a much bigger nuisance than creimer. Especially on mobile devices!

    25. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but again it's all moderated to -1 or 0, so nobody has to see a creimer thread unless they're specifically looking for it.

    26. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but again it's all moderated to -1 or 0, so nobody has to see a creimer thread unless they're specifically looking for it.

      Except you're wrong. Many read at 0 or -1. Your repetitive bullshit is tiresome. Especially on mobile devices!

    27. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read at -1. Done so for 20 years. Creimertards, go play in traffic.

    28. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Many read at 0 or -1"

      To laugh at you, Chris.

      "Your repetitive bullshit is tiresome"

      Pretty funny coming from someone whose anus is stretched to manhole-size from all the bullshit he posts....

      Can I have your mom's contact info? I have a big black knob for her to polish.

    29. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Creimer posted an on topic comment. Your comment is not on topic. Take your circus to Reddit.

    30. Re:Show me the money. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asking for my mom's contact info is "on topic"? Your biggest enemy is that defective piece of lard between your ears, Chris.

      Besides, my mom's contact info is a plot number, not a phone number.

    31. Re: Show me the money. by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      In urban areas, employers have to pay and won't. In rural areas, they can grab the local chump, but if they want real talent to relocate they have to pay. Cost of living might be low, but opportunity is as well.
      If your employer is the only game in town, you should be compensated for that risk.

  5. Young technologies...riiiight... by bradley13 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "AI and data science jobs are at the top of the list, in part because they're relatively young technologies"

    Nothing particularly new in any of the fields mentioned. Specific frameworks in use are different now than they were 5, 10 or 20 years ago. However, speaking as someone who has been in IT for somewhere between 30 and 40 years, there's really not a lot that's fundamentally new. Mostly, we have added more turtles. What I do see is that each new generation re-invents old ideas and slaps new labels on them. Often, they even think the ideas are new, until some old grouch like me comes along and rains on their parade.

    The last real sea change was the spread of the Internet in the 1990s - enabling worldwide networking (and worldwide attacks). The actual vulnerabilities being exploited, however, are old-hat. The top security risk today's web applications is injection? This has not changed in 20 years, which ought to be embarrassing for the entire IT profession.

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    1. Re:Young technologies...riiiight... by q_e_t · · Score: 1

      The demand seems to be for people with specific tool set knowledge. I was working in AI until 4 years ago, after 20 years in the business, involved in developing some significant technologies for FTSE 100 businesses, and either the demand isn't that high, except for specific frameworks, or I sell myself very badly. Maybe both.

    2. Re:Young technologies...riiiight... by geek · · Score: 1

      Web apps are high on the list yes but OWASP is very biased on that side of things. The #1 is, was and probably always will be phishing scams that exploit layer 8 (can't patch people).

      The web is a mess for one major reason. HTTP is a stateless protocol, so everything we do with it is a sad hack. Cookies, session ID's all this crap we pile on to track people over a protocol that is not designed for tracking creates tons of issues. Web apps will continue to have these problems for a long time.

    3. Re:Young technologies...riiiight... by swilver · · Score: 1

      They say they want an AI expert, and then tell them to built a chat bot.

    4. Re:Young technologies...riiiight... by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

      What about AWS/gcloud?

    5. Re:Young technologies...riiiight... by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

      I feel like you've made this same argument before, with this same useless factoid. The rest of the items on that list are equally embarrassing, so I'm not sure what exactly your argument is -- presumably you consider the list's existence to be shameful.

      If what you have to offer the younger generation is a bad temper and an "It's all been done before" attitude, you should get out of "IT". And if after 30 years you're doing "IT" and not "CS", you're an overpaid computer janitor. This would presumably also explain your talking about web frameworks and AI research as if they had anything to do with one another.

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  6. Anything vaguely in he neighborhood of a buzzword by Junta · · Score: 2

    This cuts both ways, for positions and candidates.

    When a phrase becomes a buzz word, it means whatever whoever wants it to mean, but they have to have it in resumes/job postings to look hip.

    If you put one of them in criteria, congratulations, every resume on the planet is applicable. Not becuase people have relevant skills, but because people will find any way they can to justify putting it on. The diluted meaning means there's probably some way people can work it in to their resumes.

    It's also a warning sign to see in a job posting. If a company is seeking a buzzed skillset, it is more likely than not they have no idea what they are doing and have no good reason to even be poking about in the area, but some management person read enough articles saying that a business *must* do this to stay relevant.

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  7. AI people by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    It is hard to find good AI people, because AI does not exist. All you have are algorithms and clever parlor tricks. The hardest people to find are people who will work in Silicon Valley for $50,000.

    1. Re:AI people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neural networks are neither of those things.

      Unless you consider yourself to be algorithms and clever parlor tricks. And at that point, what is your point?

    2. Re:AI people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What they mean when they search for an AI developer, is that they search for an app developer, which in turns means they are searching for a software developer.

    3. Re:AI people by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      The hardest people to find are people who will work in Silicon Valley for $50,000.

      If you browse at threshold -1 there's that guy who posts the affiliate links to raise pennies because he works in silly valley for $50K.

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    4. Re:AI people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you consider yourself to be algorithms and clever parlor tricks.

      Well, that uncomfortably characterizes my programming team.

    5. Re:AI people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I knew who had posted this before I even clicked.

      You are a worthless cunt. You say you hate AI, space exploration, and all things Elon Musk. But really you hate yourself. And with good reason. Cunt.

    6. Re:AI people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And good luck finding IT staff with PhDs.

    7. Re:AI people by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Neural networks are nothing like the human brain. More "AI" BS.

    8. Re:AI people by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Awww, a poor AI and space nutter who is upset because his Star Trek dreams won't come true! Sorry snowflake!

    9. Re:AI people by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 4, Insightful
      good luck finding IT staff with PhDs.

      If you offer more money, you could get away with a lot less luck.

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    10. Re:AI people by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Don't be daft. Nobody expects "AI" to mean "perfect replication of a human brain." And even if it did, if it runs on a computer its still just algorithms and parlor tricks because computers only run algorithms. They don't do anything else.

      Of course the term is still somewhat loose. Game AI is a very, very different skill set from deep learning for example, and expert systems are a different beast again and so on. We have a whole whack of fairly unrelated algorithms that all get called "AI" because they all, in some way or other, try to mimic some aspect of human intelligence even if its a very narrowly defined aspect. Just don't expect the average HR drone to know the difference. Or care.

    11. Re:AI people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's the joke.jpg

    12. Re:AI people by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      HR drones are just algorithms and clever parlor tricks.

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  8. Full Stack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It may sound stupid, but for whatever reason, people tend to get complacent in software development or server administration roles. Very few candidates will break out and learn things outside of their "expertise", even if they should go hand-in-hand.

    A good example: my current organization has many .NET developers, but very few who can actually write SQL statements or even query AD. It's very frustrating to see them struggle on things that they "should" know.

    1. Re:Full Stack by laffer1 · · Score: 1

      In most parts of the country, they want you to be highly specialized. Learning outside our domain is a non starter. If you have too many different technologies, they'll think you don't know any of them. Conversely, in the midwest, you must know how to do three different jobs.

      My current employer is the first one where I'm only doing backend development. In all of my previous programming jobs, in addition to full stack development, I also had to act as a DBA, Devops, system administrator, QA or some other crazy combination of all of these.

      For example, I worked at the university of michigan as a "Senior Application Programmer/Analyst - Team Lead". If you asked my boss, I was basically an architect for the team. However, I was also administering 15 aws instances running FreeBSD, Elasticache, PostgreSQL, RabbitMQ, Apache, Tomcat, DNS, assisted with multiple windows servers, debugged server issues with windows server/asp.net as well as load balancers, wrote the automation framework for selenium testing and the majority of the 500 tests in use, managed Jenkins including over 100 jobs and 3 nodes, setup the ELK stack, was responsible for security compliance along with my boss for all of these services, etc. I also worked on spring, .net backend rest services as well as angularjs/jquery front end stuff and managed the grunt/bower builds. I effectively had to be on call all year long. Technically there was a rotation near christmas. They wondered why I left.

    2. Re:Full Stack by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Because there's often negative benefit in doing so. A lot of managers treat anything not specifically related to the task on hand as "wasting company resources" if not calling it outright theft. Meaning if you want to actually learn something new, you're stuck doing it on your own time.

      And then of course when they need someone to work with that technology you were wanting to learn 6 months ago, they'll see you don't have the knowledge and go find a contractor who does instead of training their own staff.

      Its another one of those stupid cycles where we only look at the immediate pros and cons and ignore the long-term possibilities and consequences. Often with a bit of ego-stroking and middle management power struggles thrown in.

      Of course there's an argument both ways. Letting you waste a week learning whatever new tech piques your interest is only of use to the company if they ever need to use that tech. If they don't, then you really have just wasted their resources to satisfy your own curiosity. So there's a bit of gambling going on as well if you let your employees spend too much company time "breaking out."

    3. Re:Full Stack by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Query active directory ?

      Why should .NET developers know how to do that? A lot of SW doesn't run in places with security confederation and that subject wasn't taught in either my grad or undergrad classes. In cases where it is desired I can see how that would be a practical advantage for the business, but why would you think .NET developers are complacent about this?

      Given that 50% of SW devs live in fear of age discrimination, I'm not sure how much complacency is going on.

  9. Not sure about the rest of the world by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    but in America, none outside of the really high end stuff that isn't really IT, it's math. I guess it's a little hard to get competent folks to work a 24/7 NOC because companies don't want to have enough people on staff that the hours don't suck so you end up with 12 hour swing shifts 3-4 days a week. Aside from that outsourcing + H1-Bs have meant there's a glut of cheap labor.

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    1. Re:Not sure about the rest of the world by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      So there is a glut of cheap labor but it is hard to get folks to work in a NOC? Makes sense to me. No one wants to work in a NOC because the job itself sucks.

    2. Re: Not sure about the rest of the world by edgedmurasame · · Score: 1

      Even long-term jobless citizens with some IT exposure?

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      "Forget the engineers." -Carly Fiorina, briber of MIT Technology Review.
  10. blockchain haha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talk about an over-hyped technology that doesn't scale....
    Anyone who mentions blockchain goes straight into the trash can.

  11. No problem by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    " can feel a bit like trying to capture a unicorn... "

    No problem, there are lots of virgins in the IT world.

  12. Here's your problem: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AI and data science jobs are at the top of the list, in part because they’re relatively young technologies, ....

    Data science isn't a technology. Many employers have trouble finding people because they don't know WTF they are looking for in the first place.

    "Pfft! Look at this guy! He's got some stupid thing called Hah-dupe on his resume! We want someone that knows the data-science software!!"

    They also want someone with plenty of experience but wont pay for it. Then there are the folks who are willing to pay but their recruiting practices weed everyone out who do have the skills.

    Then there are the recruiters who get in the middle and fuck things up.....I remember getting back resumes that had "Perl" changed to "Pearl"

    Thanks guys! Thanks! You made us both looks like idiots!!

    1. Re:Here's your problem: by plopez · · Score: 1

      Data "Science" looks like nothing but dressed up Statistics to me. Hire a Statistician, the tech isn't too hard. The tech was built for monkeys.

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    2. Re:Here's your problem: by arth1 · · Score: 1

      HR and recruiters work hand in hand to ensure that companies get the worst possible candidates. The problem is keyword matching. Recruiters spam them, and HR filters on them. That directly penalizes someone who either has a very strong or narrow skillset, or someone who has a very high adaptability.

      As someone who hires, I either want someone who can bring expertise to the table, or can quickly understand and adapt to what we do, without training. What the combination of HR and recruiters come up with is rarely any of those. A keyword match won't tell whether you've merely been exposed to something or have real expertise, and a missing keyword does not mean you can't do that.

      Working with HR and recruiters to better convey what you need is important, but it's near impossible to get them to not put so much faith in keyword matching.

    3. Re:Here's your problem: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's less than that. Statisticians fit models to data (filtering data as justifiable). AI experts fit data to only one model - a neural network (finite power series). If you want good models with predictive (not just interpolative) power though, hire an expert in the field (economics, sociology, physics, biochemistry, mechanical engineering, ...) and check that they also know some statistics. Stay away from simple curve fitters (AI experts, statisticians, mathemeticians) and computer "experts", they can only fit to simple models that have nothing to do with your problem. Let your loser competition pay top dollar for that dreck.

    4. Re:Here's your problem: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Data "Science" looks like nothing but dressed up Statistics to me. Hire a Statistician, the tech isn't too hard.

      That is what i am doing. We are IT team (code name Igors) to slurp data for statisticians and mathematicians team (code name Wizards).

    5. Re:Here's your problem: by rnturn · · Score: 1

      ``HR and recruiters work hand in hand to ensure that companies get the worst possible candidates. The problem is keyword matching. Recruiters spam them, and HR filters on them. That directly penalizes someone who either has a very strong or narrow skillset, or someone who has a very high adaptability.''

      Then there are:

      * the recruiters who balk at the length of your resume because of all the keywords you packed it with in an attempt to satisfy the ATS.

      * the HR people who write articles that warn candidates to ``keep it to a single page because we only spend 5 seconds looking at your resume''.

      $DIETY help you if you've worked at more than one company and try to satisfy both of these types at the same time.

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    6. Re:Here's your problem: by epine · · Score: 1

      Data "Science" looks like nothing but dressed up Statistics to me. Hire a Statistician, the tech isn't too hard. The tech was built for monkeys.

      This couldn't be further from the truth. One of the first half-dozen episodes of Talking Machines devotes about fifteen minutes to answering this question.

      Statisticians deal in quantities which have physical units that can be interpreted in the real world.

      Data scientists build models, generally using unsupervised learning, that have no defined units, and can't be interpreted in the real world, but can be used for reasonably accurate prediction (here Ryan Adams defines classification as a prediction task).

      And it isn't built for monkeys, because subtle meta-parameters determine whether your training run will converge somewhere useful, or not.

      Once a freshly minted PhD stick handles the model into the sweet spot, the monkey factor goes way up. In fact, the monkey factor goes up so much that this phase of product maintenance (it's more like maintenance than development) is largely automated, with few monkeys required.

      With your cognizance of the field, I rate you as below replacement monkey.

    7. Re:Here's your problem: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HR and recruiters work hand in hand to ensure that companies get the worst possible candidates. The problem is keyword matching. Recruiters spam them, and HR filters on them. That directly penalizes someone who either has a very strong or narrow skillset, or someone who has a very high adaptability.

      I've been in the IT industry for over two decades. I recently had a recruiter tell me I didn't get the job because I didn't have "anycast DNS" experience on my resume. I told him less than a year ago I deployed a 27 anycast FreeBSD DNS boxes for a client but didn't remember to put 'anycast DNS' on my resume. I asked him why he didn't ask. He had no reply.

      Put me on a video call with someone for ~5 minutes and I can easily figure out if they know their stuff and if they'll be a good hire.

    8. Re:Here's your problem: by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. What we're really doing is playing off the ability for the human economist to creatively apply their knowledge to come up with new models to fit a handful of data points, against the computer's ability to fit millions if not billions of data points against a more rigid model.

      But even assuming the economist is still "better" in some fashion even with the vast difference in the amount of data points used to generate their models, the NN still has one massive advantage: It can be copied. If you need to have an "expert" at each of three different data centers.. then hiring people means 3 different individuals would need to be found and hired (probably at a super high wage if they're good.) Whereas you only need to hire one NN guy to create his system and then copy it three times.

      This becomes even more prominent if you're talking about consumer products. Something like Siri needs to have thousands if not millions of instances spun up and shutdown in order to process all of the requests from the millions upon millions upon millions of iPhone users in the world. Can you imagine if you asked Siri where the nearest Italian restaurant was and off at Apple HQ, there was some dude in the basement searching through the phone book manually in order to give you a response? That's just beyond absurd.

    9. Re:Here's your problem: by Altrag · · Score: 1

      The problem is scale. You post an ad to something like Monster.com and you can expect probably a few thousand resumes to come flooding in. That gives you two choices: Hire a handful of people (who probably don't have domain knowledge anyway) to sort through the crud over a few days, or automate the process and pass it all through a computer to do in a couple of minutes. Guess which one is more cost-effective?

      Its the automatic processing that causes most (but definitely not all) of these problems. Keyword matching is easy. Distilling the essence of a document is not so much. So we're now in a bit of an arms race where job postings are a list of arbitrary and often irrelevant keywords, and resumes are just a copy of the list as best as the applicant can stretch their "skills" in order to cover the posted list. There's not a whole lot of meaning to either anymore (perhaps there never was..)

      There's no real easy answer here. Its too time-consuming to go through all of the resumes manually. All I can think of is waiting until AI advances enough that it can start parsing through cover letters and non-bullet-point parts of the resume in order to get a fuller view of the applicant. But I wouldn't expect that terribly soon. In addition to being a hard problem in terms of the AI tech, there's also little incentive to do it: The longer it takes you to find the "perfect" employee, the longer you're going to be using the recruiter's service. As long as they're doing good enough to not lose your business, they don't have much reason to improve their matching system.

    10. Re:Here's your problem: by arth1 · · Score: 1

      There's no real easy answer here. Its too time-consuming to go through all of the resumes manually.

      Some ideas:

      - Set aside a couple of hours of a non-HR person to pick through random resumes and put a couple in the "check these" stack.

      - Have a computer algorithm compare resumes and bump the score of those outside the norm, and reduce the score of those that have the most similarity. That would likely get rid of a lot of the keyword spamming cookie cutter resumes.

      - Allow negative keywords. If I want to hire someone who can write an embedded database inside 64k, it might we worth searching for "database" and then score down those who also say "access" or "mssql". And If I want a good Linux sysadmin, I would like to score down anyone who says "Ubuntu" but not any EL flavor, because chances are higher that they only have user experience and would waste my time. Even if it excludes some good matches, it will likely exclude more bad matches.
      Common spelling mistakes would also be good for negative keywords. Someone who writes "pearl" or "kernal" and can't be bothered to proof-read their CV is probably not someone worth interviewing.

    11. Re:Here's your problem: by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      I defeat this system by listing, in separate categories, every skill I've heard of, but explicitly separated out by those I know well, those I know less well, and those I've only at most played around with. The computer sees them all and screens me out of none. A human being on the other hand will see whether the majority of what they are looking for falls into the "knows well" category, or the "just played with." I don't like to have to do this. It does feel mildly deceptive and dishonest in that I'm giving myself an advantage over others who haven't figured this out. But in the end I am always going to be honest and straightforward with any human being who interviews me. There's no reason not to. I'm going to crash and burn on a new job anyway if I pretend to have 25 years' experience in Perl when it looks to me like line noise. But I don't want to be passed over for the job that's an otherwise perfect fit but requires some very occasional Perl. If there is deception here, at least some of it IMO falls on employers and their screening tools, for trying to screen people out of jobs for which they might actually be an excellent fit.

  13. Re:Republicans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An ass with lots of shins?

  14. The ones with the most experience... by MindPrison · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ...are the most difficult hires.

    I'm not young either, almost in my 50's - and still got hired in IT.

    What surprises me though, is that our company have a habit of not hiring experienced staff, because they want to do the training and teaching themselves. We have a "teacher/mentor" culture in our offices meaning that when a new batch arrives, possibly with no knowledge of our infrastructure whatsoever - we train them meticulously. We have a high tolerance for failure (yes, most people will make mistakes, often quite expensive mistakes such as rebooting a server that has 100's of cash machines connected to it), but once they do that only ONCE - they'll likely never do it again. It's surprisingly effective. Also cost effective, as they get to be highly specialized and focused on our business and our customers.

    The hardest ones to train, is the "experts". Completely age unrelated. Experts "knows so much" forehand, it becomes an uphill battle to explain to them everything. Some of them get offended that we imply that they "didn't know that" and it's almost like a mine-field trying to explain anything to people who know it all.

    Fresh from the street - is the new IT gold. (And this comes from an almost 50 year 30+ in the IT business guy, me...who is as surprised as you probably are reading this), but it's quite true - I work in one of the biggest companies there is. I can't reveal who I work for as it's in my NDA, but if you work in a similar corporate, you'll totally get this.

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    1. Re:The ones with the most experience... by RoscoeChicken · · Score: 1

      Fresh from the street - is the new IT gold.

      Yes, Fresh doesn't expect little things like documentation and won't balk about being placed at a customer site for three months living out of a suitcase.

    2. Re:The ones with the most experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "knows so much" forehand, it becomes an uphill battle to explain to them everything

      Your process sucks. The guys with experience are trying to tell you something. You are doing exactly what you espouse that the other old'uns do. They are probably offering up better ways to do things yet you ignore them.

      I can't reveal who I work for as it's in my NDA
      It is a bank. Who you work for is easy to find out. I just follow you to your workplace also pay attention to other things you say.

      You are the very myopic thing you hate. I work with a 'yungin' who acts the same way. Age does not differentiate on that poor behavior.

      If they truly are acting that way just remind them they no longer work at other 'company' and this place is different (just like everyone else).

    3. Re: The ones with the most experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP sounds like an in-house development company. Vendor life is quite different...

    4. Re:The ones with the most experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work as an electrican now, and I have similar difficulties with "experienced" electricians. As far as I am concerned, If they don't have a Journeyman's or Master's license after six years, they aren't professionals. This translates into: they don't want to be trained. They are here to collect a paycheck by doing the minimum amount of work without being fired.

    5. Re:The ones with the most experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      20 years in IT. The skills severely lacking in most people are not technical at all, but lack of interest or ability to:

      1) Own the problem.
      2) Problem solving and problem solving new or unfamiliar things.
      3) Time management and prioritization.
      4) Nailing it.

      But hey, if everyone was awesome it wouldn't be so easy for those of us that are :-)

    6. Re:The ones with the most experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus they actually fall for it during the interview when management says things like "we are a very forward-looking, progressive company that promotes work-life balance, family values, and an open culture".

    7. Re:The ones with the most experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not young either, almost in my 50's - and still got hired in IT.

      What surprises me though, is that our company have a habit of not hiring experienced staff, because they want to do the training and teaching themselves. We have a "teacher/mentor" culture ....

      I'm 46 to be exact. In my little corner of the world, I don't struggle to get job openings for "senior"/"experienced" developers. Problem comes in with (a) new domain knowledge and (b) knowledge of internal systems. I wish that even senior new intakes get put through some formal induction training. But no, seems that the management that be (no software devs themselves) think that one can just Agile away gaps in knowledge and hires will learn to swim soon enough - basically expensive monkeys at keyboards hoping to churn out some Shakespeare some day. Seems the expectation is that since you are some sort of coding demigod, you can churn out good code from day one and turn the turd that the local system and architecture has become into gold just by inserting your code into it. The frustration and stress take a huge toll on health (physical and mental). I know my software development skills - although not rockstar level - are probably better than my colleagues', as I am constantly busy fixing some or other stupid mistake to keep the release from falling over completely or just plain horrible code.

      I've come to this place about 6 months ago (after a fairly grueling tech test) and I stayed 4 months in the previous (consultant) role. Seriously consider leaving (once more) - but where to?

      Just some rhetorical questions to blow off steam...

      To get back to the original post's question, sometimes it's not only the hire that's difficult, but it is difficult for the hire to get the right place to be hired at. From my myopic perspective, it would be great to find an employer that understands that developing software involves so much more than just hacking away at a keyboard and churning out code. We work in Information Technology but everyone focuses on the Technology side and nobody sees the flow of Information, that should flowing like lifeblood through the technology and the teams working with the tech. So instead of this flow being enhanced and fostered, one constantly feels starved of the information.

    8. Re:The ones with the most experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've once worked for a company where the CEO seemed to think I owned the company something from the opportunity of learning to develop, even though I had already learnt to develop. Others often hires juniors because of the lower salary and because they tend to get things done too quickly. They also wont complain working on awful code. You end up with code for juniors which you can expect to be awful.

    9. Re:The ones with the most experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hiring?

  15. Eight years professional experience in C++17 by RoscoeChicken · · Score: 4, Insightful

    (Read that title again carefully before responding.)

    Lots of Indians have this amount of experience on their resumes. Why not Americans? :)

    Seriously, anyone with a solid foundation in STL and C++03 could pick up Boost or the latest features in C++0x, but HR and managers don't want to hear it.

    1. Re:Eight years professional experience in C++17 by Altrag · · Score: 1

      To play devil's advocate, you could argue that having worked in C++ since 2007 would give you 10 years of C++17.. simply because the vast majority of the language hasn't changed. As long as you spend a few days learning the new features and differences (or hope your interviewer is equally unaware of them,) you're more stretching the truth than actually lying.

      Its a bit of a different story if you claim 10 years experience with say, Swift (released in 2014) which isn't a direct upgrade to anything in the same way C++ revisions are, and even experience with its "predecessors" is only of minimal direct value.

      And of course like anywhere else, if you hire a bottom-of-the-barrel Indian programmer, you're likely to get absolute crud software regardless of what's on their resume. A good quality Indian programmer is only moderately cheaper than an equivalently skilled US programmer (unless you hit the unicorn jackpot and get the amazing guy who's willing to work for peanuts.. but those exist in the US as well. And they're just as common.)

    2. Re:Eight years professional experience in C++17 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have about 20 years of C++, but I only have about a year and a half of C++14 and 0 years of C++17 because my platform doesn't support it yet.

    3. Re:Eight years professional experience in C++17 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate the code C developers poop out in Java. It's like they've never fucking even heard of encapsulation or even breaking into subroutines.

  16. Yawn by boulat · · Score: 1

    Yet another article written by a soft-skills proponent (aka management) who try so hard to justify their own existence.

    At the end of the day none of the people you write about need you.

    But hey, someone needs you write this drivel to make themselves feel relevant.

    1. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please! If you want that stuff, please head over to LinkedIn where it's endless articles about emotional intelligence and the top ten things that successful salespeople do every day.

  17. HR works for MANAGEMENT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're having difficulty finding someone who is a blockchain expert with 5+ years in Lightning Network experience.

    HR won't let us hire anyone with less, and demands at least 2/3s of new Engineering hires be non-white non-male.

    HR works for management. Remember that. They get the job specs from MANAGEMENT.

    Management blames HR all the time because they are too chicken shit to fess up - hence why they hire HR people to do their dirty work.

    1. Re:HR works for MANAGEMENT by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      I disagree. HR, increasingly, works for itself. At my employer, HR foisted on us an ENTIRELY new system of Job Titles and Pay Grades. Which is not just useless, but required the hiring of approximately 10 more people at Corporate to manage it.

      All, of course, reporting to the Chief Human Capital Officer.

      We appear to be seeing Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy metastasize in real time. . .

  18. A 20-something who doesn't know everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A 20-something who doesn't think they know everything already.
    That's the hardest hire.

    1. Re: A 20-something who doesn't know everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are none. Not even unicorn millennials. At least I know what a real unicorn looks like. A 20 something who didn't Ritalin their way through school dragged by their helicopter mom (it's always mom) has yet to exist, even in works of fiction.
      And dear god, don't even think about trying to get one to show up 5 days in a row.

    2. Re: A 20-something who doesn't know everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know. I have a new intern who shows up, did well on the little test projects, so I am now giving him some real coding to do. Seems dedicated enough. Maybe you're not screening well.

  19. Finding good people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thee are none. And people on slashdot don‘t count, they spend too much time reading nonsense instead getting their fat asses up and get something done.

    1. Re:Finding good people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thee are none. And people on slashdot don‘t count, they spend too much time reading nonsense instead getting their fat asses up and get something done.

      ...says someone about an article posted on Sunday when most people are off work and might be reading some sort of vaguely-tech-related news...

  20. Cultural fit by Sebby · · Score: 1

    In smaller companies, discovered that cultural fit is the hardest to satisfy, above and beyond finding the matching skill set.

    I’m sure that’s different in larger companies.

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    1. Re: Cultural fit by reanjr · · Score: 1

      I've worked at small companies for years, and cultural fits are overrated.

    2. Re:Cultural fit by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      This is different from "must be young"?

  21. Double Math & CS PhDs that solve any ... by Qbertino · · Score: 2

    ... problem in 2 weeks for an hourly rate of no larger than 25$.

    Those are really difficult to come by. We have been looking for 3 for ages.

    A close second are those people that can make us happy even if we don't know what we want but we know exactly how much it may cost and when it's supposed to be finished. Tough one too that is. These IT and programming experts are so arrogant and really hard to work with.

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    1. Re:Double Math & CS PhDs that solve any ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... problem in 2 weeks for an hourly rate of no larger than 25$.

      Those are really difficult to come by. We have been looking for 3 for ages.

      I'm not sure if this post is meant to be sarcastic or not. In case its not - we pay our coops/interns more than that for the hourly rate and we are not in an expensive area of the country. Good luck.

    2. Re:Double Math & CS PhDs that solve any ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "[My english is better than most other people's german, so please point out mistakes politely. Thank you.]"

      For that to make sense, this would need to be a German website.

    3. Re:Double Math & CS PhDs that solve any ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These experts demanding living wages, who do they think they are??

    4. Re:Double Math & CS PhDs that solve any ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically speaking, most people don't speak German at all, so that claim falls under the "true, but useless" category.

      I can say the same thing, and the only German I know is "ich sprechen nicht Deutsche"!

    5. Re:Double Math & CS PhDs that solve any ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A close second are those people that can make us happy even if we don't know what we want but we know exactly how much it may cost and when it's supposed to be finished

      Can you give an example of this scenario?

  22. Pro hiring tip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you can't find a "data scientist", try hiring a "statistician" instead. It just might work!

  23. Advertising for unicorns and liars by anvilmark · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm currently in the job market. Many of the ads I'm seeing are extensive, detailed, collections of technologies and skills but only 3-5 years experience. What's worse is how often there is no clear distinction between what is truly essential and what is a "plus".
    This kind of posting selects against the honest, and anyone with more than a mild case of Impostor Syndrome.
    Oh, ad might catch the unicorn's attention, but if the applicant truly has the extensive experience asked for - why would they work for YOUR company?

    1. Re:Advertising for unicorns and liars by rnturn · · Score: 1

      Many? I'd say "most". Then there's the other extreme where the ads are so vague that you have no idea whether you would want to apply or not. Especially, if you are forced to submit via their ATS where you have no idea whether a human with operating neurons has actually read your resume or whether a badly constructed regex is looking at it. Hard to tailor a resume to these (probably purposely) vague job descriptions. I know of one local company that has a reputation for writing these awful ads and setting the ATS acceptance threshold to insanely high levels intentionally because the HR head really doesn't want to approve of any new hires. ("Hey! I'm saving the company money!")

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    2. Re:Advertising for unicorns and liars by Altrag · · Score: 1

      The ads are mostly meaningless drivel anyway. The HR department just throws together a bunch of things they've overheard the engineers talking about and then play buzzword bingo (usually automated these days) in order to shortlist the number of candidates they have to talk to. Kind of necessity with online job applications. They likely get thousands or more for each publicly-posted position and the vast majority will be complete garbage (it not outright spam) that needs to be weeded through.

      Its hard to get any real idea of what you're walking into until you're past HR and start interviewing with people from the department you're actually applying to.

  24. it is easy to hire the right ppl by WindBourne · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It is just not easy to get HR and C*s to want to pay them enough.
    Therein lies the REAL issue.

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  25. Companies want flexible and "bonded" labor by hwstar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The trend I've noticed is that companies prefer to hire someone who can't easily move to another company, yet have the option of terminating employment for any reason whatsoever (i.e. an extreme version of employment-at-will) For example, this is why they prefer H-1B and contingent employees. H-1B's can move, but it's a lot of work on the part of the H-1B employer. Since they are locked in, the company can pay them less. Contingent workers can be easily let go without the worries of the employee suing the company, or having to pay for pesky things like health insurance, vacation, holidays, unemployment insurance, and worker's compensation.

    As for off-shoring to overseas locations. The problem companies face is that most of the rest of the developed world has stricter labor laws and better contingent worker protections then the US, as well as single payer health care and statutory vacation laws. Also employment-at-will is an alien concept all developed countries and in most emerging economies such as China. Salaries in the developing countries are also on the rise.

    By using H-1B and temporary workers and employing them in the US, the company can avoid paying market rates for labor and have a captive workforce which can be increased or reduced at a moment's notice which makes the bean counters, and investors happier.

    The problem is this tactic only works if there is a good supply of H-1B and contingent workers to be exploited. We need better protections for H-1B and contingent employees in the US, as well as a reform/harmonization of "Employment-at-will so that workers are not taken advantage of, and the global talent pool truly operates as a free market.

  26. Competent adults by Chas · · Score: 0

    Basically everything coming our way lately stinks of entitled millennial.

    Basically every last mean trope you've ever heard. We've seen them all.

    It's at the point that the owner is considering just shutting down when they retire.

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    Chas - The one, the only.
    THANK GOD!!!
    1. Re:Competent adults by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Basically everything coming our way lately stinks of entitled millennial

      Translation: we want to pay shit wages with shit working conditions and those little ingrates won't work for us when they can get better conditions or better wages elsewhere.

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    2. Re:Competent adults by Chas · · Score: 1

      Uh no. If I can complain about anything at this job, shit wages AIN'T it.

      No. We need people who are self-starters, don't need to be hand-held. can solve problems without constant oversight, and who deal well with customers.
      And if they can find better working conditions and wages someplace else doing what we require here, we TELL THEM to take it.

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      THANK GOD!!!
    3. Re:Competent adults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      From what I hear, there are boatloads of aging, experienced IT pros that nobody else will hire because of their age. You're telling me you can't find any of those guys, even though you're offering substantial money?

    4. Re:Competent adults by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I don't know your company or your job ads. But what you've written could well read as:

      No. We need people who are self-starters,

      Offering no on the job training.

      don't need to be hand-held. can solve problems without constant oversight,

      or mentoring

      and who deal well with customers.

      And multi-skilled.

      And if they can find better working conditions and wages someplace else doing what we require here, we TELL THEM to take it.

      While you're busy bashing milennials, what you've said is you're hiring younger workers. You're wanting them to be able to do a lot out of the gate.

      So there's one of two potential problems. Either you need to hire more expensive and experienced older workers or your job ads suck so you're putting off any decent younger workers because they're reading the ads like I am.

      The fact you're ragging on milennials indicates to me though that the problem is with you, not them.

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    5. Re:Competent adults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Translations

      > We need people who are self-starters

      Do not even want to explain the job and the goals.

      >don't need to be hand-held.

      Won't do any followup.

      >can solve problems without constant oversight

      Will be surrounded by micromanagers and kniow-it-all people.

      >who deal well with customers

      Should be a technical, a manager, a commercial, ... all at the same time.

      >And if they can find better working conditions and wages someplace else doing what we require here, we TELL THEM to take it.

      Probably anywhere.

    6. Re:Competent adults by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      So basically you want skilled, experienced, works who are willing to work for less money than they're worth. And you think you're reasonable.

      YOU are why America is failing. We've gone from a situation where, 50 years ago, a person could walk into a job as a teenager, learn, become skilled, and end up retiring on a reasonable income, to today, where employers are proud to underpay their employees, aren't willing to invest a cent in them, and are happy to see them leave.

      Everyone bitches about millennials, but quite honestly, as a GenXer, I saw this coming, we were part of the first generation that had to put up with this bullshit, and we saw these complaints about us too. Because we resented incompetent short sighted business owners who sold the farm and then complained when we weren't suited to the crumbs. But we had the last laugh - my generation pretty much invented the Internet, which, combined with the shortage of suitable employees for Boomer-run businesses, was a disaster for them.

      Shape up. Continue with your entitled attitude, and you'll end up destroyed, and rightly so.

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    7. Re:Competent adults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The millennial thing is soo, soo bad.

      I work with one who makes bank as a SW consultant and he comes out of meetings at 11 am saying he is tired and is heading home.

      Crazy !!

    8. Re:Competent adults by Chas · · Score: 1

      1: No. Job requirements and goals are discussed, EXTENSIVELY, during the hiring process. We're not a training facility. So we hire people who are supposed to be experts (and pay commensurately). Also, there's an initial break-in period to make sure that these people can conform to the job expected of them.

      2: This is what the break-in is for. And it's not as if help simply CANNOT be asked for if problems arise.

      3: How is "can solve problems without constant oversight" translated into "surrounded by micro-managers"? I'm talking about people who literally freeze the second someone questions them at something more than a superficial level about something that's supposed to be their field of expertise.

      4: No, should be technical with good self-management skills and the ability to be polite on the phone. Hell, we even provide phones with a MUTE function in case a particularly insolulable situation arises and they feel the need to vent. But we've had recruits flip out on clients for things that were not the clients fault, swearing like a bunch of drunken sailors with no filters in every day life on a drunken bender, etc.

      Sorry if my accurate descriptions of a bunch of unemployables in your target demographic hurts your fee fees.
      Cope.

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    9. Re:Competent adults by Chas · · Score: 1

      1: Where do you get this idea that we're looking for people willing to work for less than they're worth? I never even mentioned compensation. YOU simply ASSUMED that. We know the type of candidates we want are not common. And the pay reflects that. This is why we tell people that if they can get paid more elsewhere for the same work, TAKE IT. We don't hold anyone back, and we won't waste time on somebody who's going to jump ship. Besides, the groups that pay more than we do are few and far between.

      2: Bull. We don't have the time to devote to multiple months/years of training, just to have someone up and better-deal us the second they're trained. So we hire experts and pay for experts.

      3: You're talking to a fellow GenX'er. And while I did note some of this in our generation as well, this sort of unemployable streak has really only blossomed in the last 10-ish years or so. It's not that we simply won't even look at millennials. We do. All the time. They simply don't tend to work out (for the reasons outlined), and we're busy enough that we don't have time to waste.

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    10. Re:Competent adults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's Chas, the person hating conservatard. Of course the problem is with him.

  27. Unicorn Full Stack Architect Project Manager by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Because lets face it, most project managers and project leads are pretty terrible picks.

    So your architects end up hand holding and building the project plan and showing someone with elementary excel skills at best how to pull metrics (do their job too more or less).

    And the architect needs a full stack background regardless of their area of expertise, otherwise you're just getting in the way of another architect who does have the full stack background.

    And as others have pointed out already the expectation is that this unicorn work for minimum wage.

    To salt the wound the diversity pick project manager gets paid more because somehow they are more important, even though the unicorn does their job for them in the end.

    And finally if you've made it this far and you still want the job and are qualified, this will be the actual job experience for a modern young unicorn architect:

    - Get hired
    - Spend the first 2 weeks getting introduced to the water cooler (because politics)
    - Get notified that the team is growing and 6 new people are joining, but none of them are here in the USA
    - Get told that even though you specifically asked for a remote position and ended up taking a cube farm job anyway, that its OK that the guys in India are remote but it would not be OK for you to be remote
    - Find out that this is because their plan is for YOU to help the diversity pick project manager build a project plan that the offshore guys will fullfil at night

    Now your 9-5 unicorn full stack architect has transitioned into a management role for 26-32 hours of the week between meetings with the diversity pick project manager and meetings with the offshore guys and working on the project plan (instead of architecture).

    With the remaining 8 hours a week that you have to do the job you actually hired on to do, you don't get anything done because:
    - idiot managers take unicorn developers out of their natural habitats (bedrooms, closets, private rooms, garages, wherever is quiet)
    - and try to stuff 300 of them in a sardine can cube farm
    - so you can't even hear yourself think
    - And dumb dumb diversity pick project manager says some dumb crap like "well I can deal with it, why don't you just bring some headphones?"

    If you want to solve the talent shortage problem, fire the idiot project managers and quit making your 'talent' that you are short of manage teams of offshore slave labor.

    By the way as someone who has had to manage offshore teams for over a decade for a variety of dumb reasons, CEOs, CTOs, and decision makers, keep this in mind as you get schmoozed by the next offshore cheap labor firm:

    These off shore company's more often than not have the same problems that the on shore teams have. They have the same development, talent shortage, project management, and quality problems.

    And like all business relationships go, you never hear about these problems. You just get the bill, and excuses of why you should have to pay for their shortcomings, f ups, and mistakes.

    And you're not exposed to it, so its just plain expensive.

    The company I am at now is paying over 400 offshore developers to do what would take no BS about 4-5 'talented' developers to do.

    The company employs 20+ 'talented' architects but they are all managing offshore teams instead of developing.

    Thats where your local talent is going, Off shore. And the 'off shore talent' you're trading the 'o shore talent' out for, is whole teams of often extremely amateur developers, plus inject a communication gap of neither side of the team can understand the other guys well (even though we all speak english).

    There is no talent shortage. There is an excess of idiot managers though, many of which think that more cheap labor is better than more talented labor, because why else would they pay the remaining talent to manage the cheap labor?

    And then whine about it to congress? Lol.

    1. Re: Unicorn Full Stack Architect Project Manager by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 1

      Until you mentioned Congress (e.g U.S.), I could have sworn we had worked for the same organisation.

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    2. Re: Unicorn Full Stack Architect Project Manager by snowsnoot · · Score: 1

      #meetoo

  28. Steve by Theaetetus · · Score: 0

    I mean, that guy sucks.

  29. Unicorns by zifn4b · · Score: 2

    the right candidate can feel a bit like trying to capture a unicorn

    That is 100% correct and that's because companies and more specifically HR doesn't deal with reality. Unicorn basically means looking for a person with a combination of skills, abilities and experience that either doesn't exist or is extremely RARE (< .01% of the population) This idea that every tech company could put out a job requisition for an infinite amount of time and eventually snag a unicorn is not even remotely based in reality. Companies need to put the crack pipe down and start dealing in reality and adjusting their expectations accordingly just like we all do. No one gets special treatment.

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    1. Re:Unicorns by geek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Companies need to start training people. You see training in every field except IT. I'm lucky and my company does a reasonable job of keeping its workforce trained but almost everywhere else all I hear from people is they get no training. You can't expect people to work 60-80 hours a week AND train themselves on upcoming or newer tech. It's absurd.

      Expecting candidates to know everything is ridiculous. Hire the person with potential, then invest some time into training them and mentoring them. You'll have a better employee and a more loyal one. Right now it's like musical chairs, people go until they burn out in 6 months to a year then switch companies. The average employment term in SV is like 9-24 months if I remember right. Where I work it's closer to 10-15 years. Shocking the difference it makes.

    2. Re:Unicorns by zifn4b · · Score: 2

      Companies need to start training people. You see training in every field except IT

      Judging by your id, you're not young. You should know just as well as I do, we used to get training especially around the time of the Internet Explosion followed by the DotCom bust because all these startups were hiring warm bodies leading up to y2k. There used to be this thing called *Research* & Development, you know R&D? They dropped the R and kept the D and along with that went the training. The reason for that is because GAP changed and CFO's didn't like seeing the non-capitalizable work on their balance sheet because it looks like a cost sink despite the fact that what really happens if you let smart people do their real work, they create patentable inventions that can make the company GINORMOUS amounts of cash. But you know just as well as I do, this has been broken for some time and any appeal to reason falls on deaf ears.

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    3. Re:Unicorns by geek · · Score: 1

      I never got training in those days. I was too busy working myself to death pulling 100 hour weeks. Nothing has changed in SV at all.

    4. Re:Unicorns by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      I never got training in those days. I was too busy working myself to death pulling 100 hour weeks. Nothing has changed in SV at all.

      That's unfortunate. I've certainly pulled my fair share of 80 hour weeks but I did work with a couple of very successful companies that never worked more than 40 hours a week, provided ongoing training and we even had team outings (that part was hard to adjust to). It was only a small portion of my career but it did happen occasionally. TBH, it's folks like you that are willing let yourself be used like a door mat that set the status quo for the entire industry. Hopefully you earned a pension or had some equity share in the company to make it worth your while to waste that much of your life in a white collar sweat shop.

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    5. Re:Unicorns by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      I hear companies complain they spend $$$ on training and then their guy splits after 1.5 yrs (average for tech workers).

      I'm sympathetic up until they don't let people self-train on the job. Spare me the crocodile tears, please.

  30. Basically anybody with an actual clue by gweihir · · Score: 1

    The IT field is swamped with semi-competent and outright incompetent people. People who have an understanding of engineering that stops at "it worked when we tested it", that do the most outrageously stupid things that cause bizarre failures later on. People that are incapable of reading documentation. People that do not even know the basics about technology they use daily to build applications. And so on.

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    1. Re: Basically anybody with an actual clue by snowsnoot · · Score: 1

      So very true. Unfortunately I dont see an end to this. Unless we can drastically improve our education systems to find talent and train it for real world tech jobs I think weve pretty much reached peak skill level. Tech is HARD and MOST PEOPLE suck at it. We need more people who DONT SUCK but alas, the breeding rate among morons is much higher than intelligent folks, because well, breeding isnt really the smartest thing to do is it? So many people get into tech because there are plenty of jobs and the pay is decent. These are all the wrong reasons and these people should be marginalized and flushed out of the system so we can focus our energy on developing the people who are actually capable of getting the work done efficiently and with a good amount of quality.

    2. Re: Basically anybody with an actual clue by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I think a second reason is that we do not actually need so many developers, but that management usually goes with quantity over quality, because they do not at all understand how developer productivity works. Despite this being basically known since 1975 with "The Mythical Man-Month" by Brooks. Hence cheaper people get hired in high numbers when you would actually need a low number of competent people and the "cheap" people end up being very expensive because a lot of them actually have negative productivity. I run into negative productivity all the time, for example people that give out wrong information (just had this and the person that created the mess does not even understand what he did wrong) and people that write software with no clue what they are doing and that are just fixing flaws that show up in simple tests. This causes a lot of clean-up effort later on.

      A secondary effect may be that managers often associate the number of people they manage with their level of importance. As anybody with real data analysis experience knows, counting metrics are pretty bad and quite often worthless.

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  31. Really big right now by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Technical Fad Coordinator"

    1. Re:Really big right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More needed is "Technical Fad Annihilator" where technical fad really means the skyrocketing technical debt of cargo-cult development.

  32. Re:Republicans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He's a libtard; don't expect proper spelling or grammer.

  33. Let him shut down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I know a doctor who has the same problem hiring docs for his practice. For some crazy reason, new docs want a life outside of work - many are women and want a family too. They don't care if they make less - (they realize they can have a real nice life on $150,000/year and pay their loans and they don't need to make $500,000/year) The doc can't understand that yes, it IS possible.

    I have one of those millennials you're complaining about. He learned from Dad that devoting yourself to the company gets you nowhere in the long run. The owner will devote himself 24/7 to the company because it's his - and that's his right and it's necessary to build something.

    But to expect others to do the same for just a paycheck is unreasonable. And many folks work to live: not live to work.

    You know why folks die so soon after retirement? Because their identity and life revolved around work. And in the tech profession, our career lifespans are nowhere near other professions.

    1. Re:Let him shut down. by Chas · · Score: 1

      I'm not even talking about some out of whack work-life balance here.
      I'm talking a solid 40-hour week with bennies, paid vacation, the whole nine yards.
      Maybe a little overtime when/if they want it.
      Just show up and DO THE JOB with a minimum of drama and wangst.
      The problem is, most simply don't want to do that.

      We constantly seem to get people who think they're being paid to sit in front of their computer and browse porn for 6 hours, take an hour for lunch, 2 15 minute breaks and duck out early.

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    2. Re:Let him shut down. by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      Do you allow remote work? It opens up a huge field of candidates.

    3. Re:Let him shut down. by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Would you prefer someone who sits in their chair for 8 hours every day "working", or someone who gets their work done in afew hours and then moves on to something else or ducks out early?

    4. Re:Let him shut down. by Chas · · Score: 1

      We prefer someone who gets the job done, to spec and moves on to the next thing that needs doing.

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    5. Re:Let him shut down. by Chas · · Score: 1

      Yep. I spend the majority of my time telecommuting.

      The main problem is, we're not (and cannot be) a teaching facility. So we hire, and pay for, people who should already be experts in the subject matter.

      Yet, most of the time, going after such people in the millennial category, they simply fail to perform. Not that they don't KNOW their subject. They simply don't perform the job. In-office, telecommuting, etc.

      Add to that the inter-personal problems many millennials bring to the table, the kinds of things that simply CANNOT be accepted in any customer-facing capacity, and

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    6. Re: Let him shut down. by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      So if these folks know their tech, are paid well, and have a decent working environment - why can't they perform at the job?

    7. Re: Let him shut down. by Chas · · Score: 1

      That's what we'd like to know...

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    8. Re:Let him shut down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hiring? I will do actual work at work.

    9. Re:Let him shut down. by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      IT work isn't an assembly line. There is a lot of planning and reading that goes into it.

  34. Tech Trainers by kordyte · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's surprisingly hard to find technical trainers. Very few candidates make it through a phone interview, let alone an example teach. Admittedly it's an unusual combination of skills. We want people that have serious development chops, know multiple languages well (although no need to be perfect), and can teach. The pay, I believe, is good (I do it professionally). It's still stressful at times, but it's a different kind of stress. Agencies have been next to useless finding candidates because they understand none of the skills or how to screen for them. Many people in the tech world don't know these roles exist, or don't know what it takes, so if you're curious here's the kind of things you would need to do/be to make it through an interview, and land the job:

    Technical
    * Demonstrate clear fundamentals in your 'home' language, e.g. in Java I might ask about pass by value and how that affects code, or in C++ explore where and when you use the destructor. These are not obscure corner cases, although later stages of an interview could move to that but the technical interview is mostly done by then
    * Demonstrate authenticity, e.g. have you experienced the stress of dealing with a 'sev 1' and survived to tell the tale

    Teaching
    * Can you stand up in front of people and engage them in learning
    * Can you think on your feet and derive an answer from existing knowledge
    * Can you admit when you don't know something, research the answer, and come back to the group
    * Can you present information clearly

    Last of all, can you do all of this with enthusiasm? I genuinely don't know if it's just a rare combination of skills, or we just can't find the people.

    1. Re:Tech Trainers by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      As much as I agree with you, and as helpful as good training can be, that is the answer to a _different question_. Negotiating with your client that they really need to solve a distinct problem is a skill, and a rare skill for IT leaders. We're often tasked with "solve this very specific problem I asked you about" rather than "make things work well". Learning to work with that and live with it is a challenge that drives people out of IT in droves.

    2. Re:Tech Trainers by Altrag · · Score: 1

      Sounds to me just more like a rare job title that not many people would be looking for. Those who are interested in teaching usually look to the school system (at whatever level interests them) since that's where 99% of all teaching jobs are.

      Your best bet (if your "good" pay is good enough) would probably be someone with a master's degree. Many (but not all of course..) will have taken on a TA role and thus had at least a bit of teaching experience in addition to whatever technical skills they bring to the table.

      It also depends how much of their job involves teaching. Do you have enough staff to warrant hiring a full-time trainer? Or are you expecting them to just run a seminar a couple times a year but return to regular development or other such work the rest of the year? In one case you'd want a teacher with some technical chops. In the other you'd want a technical person with some teaching ability.

      Also, how much time are you giving them for prep work? I'm not a teacher by any stretch of the imagination so my numbers are a bit pulling from my rear, but I would expect each hour of class time to involve at least 4-5 hours of prep in order to decide what to teach, invent examples and make sure they're correct, design (and maybe print) handouts, etc. Possibly up to a few days for complex subjects. And if you expect homework or tests to be part of the job then you'd also need to allocate time for marking those in addition to the prep time. Some of that can be minimized if you just have them read from a textbook.. but not all of it, and if that's all they're doing then the job becomes a bit more questionable in general as you could just tell your engineers to read the textbook themselves.

    3. Re:Tech Trainers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've looked into being a trainer. It does not pay well.

      If I'm good enough to be a dev in whatever you're training, I'd make more money at being a dev. Usually substantially more.

      It's the same old, same old: "Must have 10 years experience in X to earn an entry level wage. Plus you need extra soft skills that we won't pay you more for having."

    4. Re:Tech Trainers by kordyte · · Score: 1

      I agree with your suggestions about factors that limit the attractiveness of the role, but I'm talking about training teams were the job is training full-time. Often they allow trainers to keep up their developments skills by taking mini sabbaticals, but it's full-on training. Prep time is allocated, and often when there is marking to be done, there are graders to assist. I'm pretty sure that the pay is good enough because when we find a qualified candidate it has never been a sticking point. Hence, I would guess that I'm thinking of the 'better end' of all of those factors, and yet either the pool is small or it's very hard to find. As for TAs, Associate Professors, and Professors, we've only had limited success there. Rarely are their technical skills strong enough, and teaching skills are often shockingly poor. I can think of one trainer who was a professor previously and is truly excellent in the role. The difference? They're really into tech and they're really think about training as a worthwhile skill.

    5. Re:Tech Trainers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does sound like you are searching for people who have certified and trained as school teachers, but later turned their careers to software development.

  35. Not generalists, but well-rounded specialists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I like to understand how a professional arrived at their current level of stated understanding. Rather than the technology experts I expect, I find experienced users with a lack of basic knowledge.

    Examples include data scientists with no domain knowledge, applcation performance analysts with no understanding of bytecode virtual machines, real systems architecture or even performance modeling, or network/systems administrators who canâ(TM)t explain a TCP handshake.

  36. security officer by originalGMC · · Score: 1

    just don't trust anyone enough.

  37. Re:Republicans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "He's a libtard; don't expect proper spelling or grammer. "

    Next time, be less quick on the insults and more on the introspection.

  38. Jabberwaucke Resume'. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We decided a long time ago that allowing companies to hire and foster slave-driver skills in their upper management was not the right way to go as a society, and thus, we passed minimum wage laws in order to keep those managers from using capitalism, which is just a tool, to force people to compete to live the most povertous lives. This forced those managers to adapt and learn or, at least I'd like to think for the majority of them, into shoe-polisher jobs where they belong. It's really easy for upper-management to engage in wolf-pack masterbatory endorphin-dumping, and today, what we are seeing is a rapidly improving labor market and those same managers, still in their ego-induced stupors, are finding out they are trapped in organzations that are hostile to them.

    The hardest hire is the one where you happened to have lucked out, got pure platinum-clad brains, allowed them to set up an immaculate set of systems, mis-treated the shazbot out of them, and then when they finally left, put together a jabber-waucke set of job requirements and assumed the market would provide it for peanuts. The market laughed at you, without you knowing, and then you eventually hire a candidate who lies about everything. Then, they completely FSCK your organization 9 ways from sunday because once they are in, you can't find someone who isn't lieing. Maybe you turn the position over a few times before, invariably, you hire an outsourcer and some consultants who decide to financially rape you like a dom femme fatale. And it repeats. Because the problem isn't the staff, it's the management and society rewarding asset-stripping of human capital.

    Ultimately, the best hires are the ones who take responsability for and figure out how to cost-optimize systems, applying sound science to the organization. However, most organizations are so top-heavy with administrative staff that the concept of continuously improving process is completely divided from the day-to-day operations of the organization. Nobody cares about doing it better, they only care about appearing to and getting raises.

  39. The most difficult hire by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are experts working for peanuts.
    There is no shortage of experienced people in the market, there is a shortage of people willing to pay for that skills.
    The rest is just bullshit talk.

  40. Entry level by edgedmurasame · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At the best, you get offloaded to a benefit dodging staffing agency, at worst get nothing due to not being the perfect person.

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  41. NYC by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm so glad that New York exists, because otherwise we'd have to come up with someplace to put all the New Yorkers.

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    1. Re:NYC by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      You know it, friend. That's what happened to Austin, it was destroyed by second-rate rejects from San Francisco and Portland. Poor city. It used to be cool.

      " . . . he said to me, 'where are you from?' and I said 'New York'...'ahh New York, it's a very interesting place... do you know a lot of New Yorkers who keep talking about wanting to leave but never do?' and I said yes, and he said 'why do you think they don't leave?' I gave him a few banal theories, and he said 'I don't think it's that way at all... I think that New York is a new model for the new concentration camp, where the camp has been built by the inmates themselves, and the inmates ARE the guards, and they have this pride in this thing they built, they built their own prison, so they exist in a state of schizophrenia where they are the both guards and prisoners, and as a result they no longer have, having been lobotomized, the capacity to leave the prison they made or to even see it as a prison.' . . . "

      -- "My Dinner with Andre"

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      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    2. Re:NYC by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      What I think you say in jest is not far from the actual mark according to some of my friends in NYC. I personally find it a wonderful place to visit, but would never want to live there. The cost of living, traffic, taxes, deeply rooted corruption, pervasive leftism, and overall lack of freedom just don't appeal to me. There are lots of things I love about the city, but not nearly enough to overcome these.

  42. Java developers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This might sounds like a joke, but we have had a lot of trouble finding Java developers. Luckily we were able to find 2. They live in another city but that is okay. Most likely the reason for this is that all Java developers are already hired for projects.

  43. Re:Republicans! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go look up how many people in Democratic presidential administrations have been convicted or indicted for a crime in modern history. Then go look up the same figure for the Republicans. Okay, that's giving you too much credit. Here's a link. tl;dr: 120 (R) vs 3 (D)

    Apparently you don't know what corruption looks like. Which would be why you're a Trump voter.

  44. "True" unicorns? by Altrag · · Score: 1

    But the true unicorns are candidates who can not only deepen their bench of tech skills but keep an eye on the bottom line.

    So the true unicorn is someone who does everything and costs nothing? Pretty sure that isn't just desired in tech.. Not overly surprised they're having trouble finding such people..

    1. Re:"True" unicorns? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It is actually possible to get people cheaply if you manage to be creative with salaries and job perks. You can get quite a few people with the lure of training and certification on company time and paid by the company (with the string attached that binds you to the company forever).

      You can actually get good, young people who cannot afford those certs themselves that way for pennies. Yes, they'll probably leave in 3-5 years (when they can), but by then you have the next batch.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  45. Re: Documentation by rnturn · · Score: 1

    ``People that are incapable of reading documentation.''

    But, first, you need people who are capable of writing documentation. When companies stopped including actually helpful printed documentation--or, hell, a CD full of PDFs--prepared by professional technical writers (as opposed to foisting the task on the coders who can barely cobble together a coherent paragraph), the reading of documentation became known as a waste of time. "It's on their web site." Is it? Usually it's not. In some cases, it might be there but buried in a horribly managed wiki that sometimes contains conflicting information depending on how you navigate the damned thing.

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  46. Job Posting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actual job posted on a local job board here in Atlanta. This is why the IT field is utterly broken.

    Computer Engineer I - Associate Computer Engineer

    Seeking entry level computer engineer. The successful candidate will have demonstrated competence in the following areas:

    - Analog and Digital Design in Computer Systems
    - Board layout, routing, and manufacturing
    - Strong programming skills in C, C#, ASM, Java, Python, Ruby, and Go
    - Algorithm design
    - Database Design and Architecture
    - Networking System Design
    - Wireless propagation modeling, Wifi Network Design and Deployment

    Education: Masters degree in Electrical and/or Computer Engineering, Computer Science, plus 0-2 years verifiable experience in all of the above disciplines

    Competitive Salary and Benefits starting at $55K + 3 weeks paid time off

    1. Re:Job Posting by cmorgan503 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, same thing is happening in the Portland area. Entry level with a lot of required experience. It's almost as if the company wants entry level for the company, not the actual experience level.

  47. Nobody's listening to this article's advice by rnturn · · Score: 1

    At least not yet.

    ``It might seem like a good idea to make job requirements as exhaustive as possible, but in reality, that may turn off qualified candidates who would be great for the job,''

    I've seen the job ads without the laundry lists of technologies--you've seen 'em: lists that seem to indicate they're trying to fill three open positions with a single hire (sysadmin, DBA, developer)--and that's great.

    The trouble is, though, that the word hasn't trickled down to the actual hiring managers and their lieutenants doing the interviewing. The actual interviews are endless questions like "have you used this/that/the other/what version/etc?" which puts the candidates on the defensive just moments after "Hello" and the handshake and leaving little time to talk about how the candidate's background would fit in and help to solve the company's problems. To the interviewers, they're already turned off by the fact that your previous or current employer chose to use different software products than the company has chosen. "Oh my God... this guy doesn't know any of the software we chose to build our business processes on. Next! (Damn! Maybe we can get Joe to come back...)"

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  48. Graduated, and running into the HR barrier.. by cmorgan503 · · Score: 2

    I've recently graduated with a degree in Information System, and for some reason, every job I search for keeps asking for significant amount of experience using hardware that I haven't touched, let alone afford to use, or at least have some kind of IT/IS experience. When I had two terms left to go (I was being retrained under the US Trade Acts program), I started looking for internship opportunities, only to find I was running into the same issue: experience with hardware or software that no one without a significant amount of money can reasonably afford. Another option, I found, that might help open doors is to get some help desk experience, and I'm finding plenty of those. I just can't get any of them because I can't use a phone (I'm deaf, by the way), and offering to take up email and online chat support results in a "Yeah, no.. we need someone to answer phones.". By the time I was finished with school, my trade acts check ended, and I ended up going back to my previous line of work; manufacturing. I'm now building chip foundry tools that goes to Intel, Samsung, and a host of other microchip manufacturers, and every day I come home, looking for work, I keep running into that inane experience requirements. I thought internship was supposed to teach and train people to get those experience, so why are they asking for significant experience? Oh right, AS/BS/MS degree, shit wages, if any. So, how does one like me get past the HR barrier, and actually find work? Even claiming some experience with my homelab isn't enough, because I've not any experience using an expensive Cisco hardware in said homelab.

    1. Re:Graduated, and running into the HR barrier.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's what you do. Go back to your university, and ask your professors, "Why did I pay for a worthless education in a field where there are no jobs anywhere?"

      You got scammed, buddy. Tech jobs don't exist.

    2. Re:Graduated, and running into the HR barrier.. by cmorgan503 · · Score: 1

      Oh, the jobs are out there, however, the people (HR/management) are posting job descriptions and requirements expecting top of the line candidates for peanut wages.

      This isn't a for profit school though, but a publicly funded college that is behind on the times. My Linux server administration course used Ubuntu 14.04... last year.

  49. Working a 24/7 NOC _sucks_ by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    the hours make it hard to have a life. It's generally 12s. 3 two weeks then 4 the next. Meaning a 48 hour shift once a week. Most cities that have tech jobs also have long commutes. Meaning you spend 3-4 days doing nothing but work. It's hard to have a life like that. Borderline impossible if you're stuck on the graveyard shift.

    Companies could compensate by paying more, but they just don't do that anymore. They just live with the problems. So you get a mix of old guys that can't get hired anywhere else (being old in tech sucks), incompetents and the occasional young guy that doesn't last. If you're one of the competent old guys your life is hell because you're the one stuck holding the fort down while the incompetents do what incompetents do and they young guys spend their time studying for their next job.

    While this is going on your bosses are trying to find a way to make your job obsolete with better software & outsourcing; so every other week you've got new software in beta form that's supposed to make your job easy enough for the incompetents. Your bosses know the team's a mess and can't do their jobs but the last thing they're gonna do is pay enough to get an entire crew of competent people.

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  50. Blah, blah, me. myself and I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blah, blah, me, myself and I

    There you are spamming amazon and youtube affiliate links with yet another fake account, you revenue stream hogging disgusting fat sexist tube of lard, Christopher Dale Reimer!

    You can be sure I will be watching this fake account too. I know this is you because you told me you were working on your freepass 11 file server and you are so dumb that you can't even masquerade yourself properly.

    Now, I told you I was out of meds last week and you didn't even care to contact me you lazy fucker.

    How many times do I have to express the emergency of the situation??????

    The python click script you wrote for my pheromone revenue stream web site suddenly stopped to work!!!!!!

    You fucking incompetent python script writer!!!

    When it works, I get 4000+ clicks a day on my pheromone revenue stream web site but only 5 or 6 without it!!!!

    Now, it seems like you dont care and that you have abandoned me you heartless fucking pig!

    Bonus:
    Here is a story that creimer told me when convincing me what a hard life he had:

    The tree was him and the tree knot was his butt hole!

    So, his uncle packed his fat ass with lard and with his cock! Not that it makes much of a difference but anyway, there it is!

    Signed:
    Ethell, The girl that used to love you and now hates you, burn in hell where you belong you sexist pig!

    1. Re:Blah, blah, me. myself and I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You creimertards are getting really tiresome. Go play in traffic.

  51. Blah, blah, blah, me, myself and I... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blah, blah, blah, me, myself and I...

    There you are spamming amazon and youtube affiliate links with yet another fake account, you revenue stream hogging disgusting fat sexist tube of lard, Christopher Dale Reimer!

    You can be sure I will be watching this fake account too. I know this is you because you told me you were working on your freepass 11 file server and you are so dumb that you can't even masquerade yourself properly.

    Now, I told you I was out of meds last week and you didn't even care to contact me you lazy fucker.

    How many times do I have to express the emergency of the situation??????

    The python click script you wrote for my pheromone revenue stream web site suddenly stopped to work!!!!!!

    You fucking incompetent python script writer!!!

    When it works, I get 4000+ clicks a day on my pheromone revenue stream web site but only 5 or 6 without it!!!!

    Now, it seems like you dont care and that you have abandoned me you heartless fucking pig!

    Bonus:
    Here is a story that creimer told me when convincing me what a hard life he had:

    The tree was him and the tree knot was his butt hole!

    So, his uncle packed his fat ass with lard and with his cock! Not that it makes much of a difference but anyway, there it is!

    Signed:
    Ethell, The girl that used to love you and now hates you, burn in hell where you belong you sexist pig!

  52. Gee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gee... once we're done eliminating you because you're too old, and/or don't have a degree, and/or have health issues, and/or aren't cute/handsome, and/or haven't been employed for a while, and/or want to (or need to) work remotely (and never even got to "can you do the job well"), gosh, gee, howdy, we just can't find anybody!

    Who'd-a thunk it? /s

    Speaking of the USA: If every HR department in the country was suddenly eliminated by an act of the Spaghetti Monster, we'd be a lot more productive and progressive country.

  53. simple creimer psychology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is simple creimer psychology:

    If pay scale is 20-50K, creimer is at the top of the scale!

    1. Re:simple creimer psychology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who?

    2. Re:simple creimer psychology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're too fat to be an owl, Chris.

  54. Security by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    In the words of a former boss of mine "Good, available, no police record. Pick two".

    It gets better now that there are actually university courses teaching IT-security, then again, it just ain't the same material, not the same mindset that you find in the old peeps.

    Maybe 'cause back when I was young, the only ones you could actually hire were the ones that were actually good enough to not get caught (and thus have no record)...

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  55. IDIOTS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is no such thing as a shortage of labor. I can prove it. Open any job, I don't care what it is or what the requirements are, and set the salary at $1 billion annually. You will not have any shortage of qualified candidates to choose from. Now set the salary at $1 per year and see what happens to your pool of candidates.

    What we have here is a shortage of people willing to work for the price employers are offering. The market offers an easy answer to this problem. Let's see how many employers are smart enough to figure it out.

  56. In my experience... by mrsquid0 · · Score: 2

    finding people who actually understand statistics as opposed to just claiming that they do.

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    Just because you are paranoid does not mean that no-one is out to get you.
  57. The want everything, by pjv936 · · Score: 1

    but they want it cheap. You have to have at least 20 different skills but they will only pay $80K/yr.

  58. Re:Experienced IT support techs in the Deep South. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great video BTW. When I want a hotel I could go to Yelp or Tripadvisor, but I prefer to find Youtube videos where fat toothless men who obviously have never been to the hotel say a few words.

    You are really building a brand for yourself! It's not just that, there's also videos of fountains and telling us what "Hyundai" translates to into English! Your retirement is going to be a dream!

  59. Re:Experienced IT support techs in the Deep South. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank You!

    Also, don't forget to participate in Team Creimer YouTube poll about being in favor of a 2 to 3 weeks government shutdown so help desk can install patches and vote yes.

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    Team Creimer for a 3 weeks government shutdown.

  60. Hahaha nice one creimer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hahaha nice one creimer!

    Here is the story of creimy the mountain and his royalties!

    This story was inspired by cdreimer, the parent poster. The story was written by a visionary on cdreimer birth date.

    The story of creimy the mountain explained:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Creimy is a typical mountain who poses for postcards, living with his wife Ethel, a tree, between the cities of Rosamund and Gorman, California. The main features on his mountainous face are two large caves, resembling eyes, and a cliff for a jaw, which moves up and down when he talks, puffing up dust and boulders.
    click above link to read more, he even destroyed Edwards Air Force Base just by passing by...

    Listen to the audio version here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    "Creimy The Mountain"

    includes quotes from Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1 in D major (Edward Elgar), Johnny's Theme (Paul Anka), Off We Go Into The Wild Blue Yonder (Crawford), O Mein Papa (Paul Burkhard), Over The Rainbow (Harburg/Arlen), Star-Spangled Banner (Smith/Key), Suite: Judy Blue Eyes (Stephen Stills)

    One, two, three

    CREIMY the Mountain
    CREIMY the Mountain
    A regular picturesque
    Postcardy mountain
    Residing between lovely
    Rosamond and Gorman
    With his stunning wife ETHELL, A tree! A tree!

    CREIMY was a mountain ETHELL was a tree Growing off of his shoulder

    CREIMY was a mountain
    (CREIMY was a mountain!)
    ETHELL was a tree Growing off of his shoulder
    (ETHELL was a tree growing off of his shoulder)
    (hey, hey hey!)

    Creimy had two big
    Caves for eyes,
    With a cliff for a jaw
    That would go up 'n down,
    And whenever it did,
    He'd puff out some dust,
    And hack up a boulder (HACK!) Hack up a boulder (HACK! HACK!)
    Hack up a boulder (HACK! HACK! HACK!) Up a boulder

    Now, one day, now I believe it was on a Tuesday, a man in a checkered double-knit suit drove up in a large El Dorado Cadillac, leased from BOB SPREEN

    ("Where the freeways meet in Downey!")

    And he laid a HUGE, BULGING ENVELOPE right at the corner of CREIMY THE MOUNTAIN, that was right where his 'foot' was supposed to be.

    Now, CREIMY THE MOUNTAIN, he couldn't believe it! All those postcards he'd posed for, for ALL OF THOSE YEARS, and finally, now, AT LAST, his Royalties!

    Royalties! Royalties Royalties! Royalty check is in, honey!

    Yes, CREIMY THE MOUNTAIN was RICH! Yes, and his eyeball-caves, they widened in amazement, and his jaw (which was a cliff), well it dropped thirty feet!

    A bunch of dust puffed out! Rocks and boulders hacked up, (hack! hack!) crushing 'The LINCOLN'!

    I gave him the money He acted real funny He hocked up a rock and It TOTALLED my car!

    Oh, do you Know any trucks Might be bound for THE VALLEY?
    I don't wanna stand here All night in this bar (Dear Lord)

    I don't wanna stand here All night in this bar (No shit!)

    I don't wanna stand here All night in this bar!

    By two o'clock, when the bars are already closed down, CREIMY had broken 'THE BIG NEWS' to ETHELL. And with dust and boulders everywhere, CREIMY, choked with excitement, announced

    "ETHELL, we're going on a VACATION!"

    Yes, and they WERE going on a vacation! (Oh, and ETHELL, ETHELL, ETHELL, like every little woman, she of course was very excited! She creaked a little bit, and some old birds flew off of her.) CREIMY told ETHELL they were going to Yes! They were going to NEW YORK!

    "ETHELL, we're going to New York!"

    But first they were gonna stop in LAS VEGAS

    It's off to LAS VEGAS to check out the lounges Pull a few handles,
    And drink a few beers, (Oh, ETHELL!)

    ETHELL, my darling, you know that I love you!
    I'm glad we could have a Vacation this year! (Oh, NEET-O!)

    Glad we could have a Vacation this year!

    They left that night, crunc

  61. Re:Just put some power bars under a box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It works just as well with used lottery tickets. They attract creimer instantaneously.

  62. Re:Just put some power bars under a box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you stopped sodomizing your neighbor's cattle yet?

  63. They're looking for three different people ... by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
    ... namely one EE, one software engineer, and someone who's into higher level algorithm stuff.

    And naive enough to work for next to nothing.

  64. Re:Experienced IT support techs in the Deep South. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A poll was added at the 30 second mark of the government shutdown video. Also, a poll got added to the hotel video. Check it out!

  65. Good developers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's exceedingly hard to find good developers. These are people who don't over complicate the trivial things and can deal with complexity where required. People who are clean, tidy and always read the manual, run tests and ensure they actually know what they are doing and why what they do works. Finding developers that aren't buzzword enthusiasts is very difficult. Developers who don't say things like good code has units tests, comments, microservices, REST, is in this language, uses these tools, has CI, etc as opposed to the fundamental properties of a good software solution. Developers who can indent, program without an IDE, program without a framework, can escape, unroll code, use polymorphism at runtime, etc. Finding people who can really just program without all of the fluff is difficult.

  66. Re:Experienced IT support techs in the Deep South. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You joke... But we're on track for another government shutdown on Friday, 2/9 @ 12:01AM. The fifth Continuing Resolution is up for vote.

  67. oracle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oracle developers that work well with other teams. Haven't met one in my life.

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  70. By Neruos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DevOps is not dead, it's actually, one of the greatest things since off shoring. Basically, it's 3 career paths (coders + sysadmin + dba) combined with less pay.

    Do it all the time, not a crime and saves on the dime.

  71. It's HARD bein' a white guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, yes, it's so tough to get hired into an IT position as a white male. It can't possibly be because your skills aren't up to snuff, or because it becomes clear in the first few minutes of the interview that you're an insufferable asshole.

  72. Mine is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I need someone with twenty years low-level Android platform experience and 30 years .Net platform experience for $23/hour on Corp-to-Corp.

    You may laugh, but I've actually seen job descriptions like that. Now, I recognize that these are typically posted by people who are hiring an H-1B and just need to create the paper trail in case they are audited, but ten or so years ago when I first started seeing them, I didn't realize that -- I thought they really, sincerely needed someone with that experience.

  73. General Skill by Murdoch5 · · Score: 1

    The biggest problem in IT is finding people who are actually qualified to work in real IT environments.

    The majority of the people I've worked with, have either grossly overestimated their skill levels or flat out made them up. I've lost count on how many times I've had someone try and hold their years in IT or title over me and claim that proves their skill levels, then they've failed to login to a server via SSH (which really happened from TWO CTO's).

    The problem, I find, is qualification and finding people with real skill.

  74. 20 yrs experience in X, must be under 30 years old by fygment · · Score: 1

    "hard hires" are a self-inflicted wound. Multiple skills with significant experience are desired while expected to be young enough to work for entry level wages.

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