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Trump's New Infrastructure Plan Calls For Selling Off Two Airports (politico.com)

The Trump administration has released an infrastructure plan on Monday that proposes that the federal government considers selling off Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport and Washington Dulles International Airport. According to Trump's blueprint, the administration wants to allow federal agencies to divest assets if they "can demonstrate an increase in value from the sale would optimize the taxpayer value for federal assets." It also includes the George Washington and Baltimore Washington parkways, the Washington Aqueduct and the transmission assets of the Tennessee Valley Authority and Bonneville Power Administration on the list for "potential divesture." Politico reports: State and local agencies or the private sector may be better at managing assets currently owned by the federal government, the administration argues, and federal agencies should be able to "identify appropriate conditions under which sales would be made." They should also "delineate how proceeds would be spent." Under the administration's proposal, federal agencies would have to complete an analysis demonstrating an "increase in value from divestiture." Though technically owned by the federal government, both airports are operated by the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority under a long-term lease agreement. The 53-page infrastructure plan lays out a vision to turn $200 billion in federal money into $1.5 trillion for fixing America's infrastructure by leveraging local and state dollars and private investment. "The White House says its plan will create $1.5 trillion for repairing and upgrading America's infrastructure," reports CNNMoney. "Only $200 billion of that, however, would come from direct federal spending. The rest is supposed to come from state and local governments, which are expected to match any federal allocation by at least a four-to-one ratio. States have gradually assumed more of the responsibility for funding infrastructure in recent years, and the White House says it wants to accelerate that trend."

As for how the money would be split up, the plan says that half of the new federal money, $100 billion, "would be parceled out as incentives to local government entities," reports CNNMoney. "An additional $20 billion would go toward 'projects of national significance' that can 'lift the American spirit,'" while another $50 billion will be designated "for rural block grants, most of which will be given to states according to a formula based on the miles of rural roads and the rural population they have," reports CNNMoney. "The rest of the money would support other infrastructure-related undertakings..."

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  1. Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't wait for the "de-platforming" trolls to find out that "they own it, so you have to do what they say" becomes incredibly problematic in real world contexts.

    1. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First puts toll roads on the Internet, now Trump wants to make toll roads out of the Interstate! You can't make this up and call it Republicanism. Because it's been Fascism since the 30's.

    2. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Actually if you weren't a complete moron intentionally and replete with zero acting chops, you'd already know the parties have switched sides on several positions since the 19th Century. (Racism specifically, rather bigly)

      Nazism is the modern GOP, racism, fascism, salute the flag or get beat up, I don't like the media we need state media, blah blah... you are so oblivious you don't even realize you're shouting and goosestepping around lol?
      Zee books are zee liberal rag of zee Jooz, vee must Trumpst only zee Fraudther to lead zee Childrenz away from zee lying Social Sciences...

      David Duke who? Good nazis on both sides? Get a life moron lol. Preferably before Trump dies in prison, but I don't think I'd put money on that, you seem like you're in there pretty deep. Try a laxative.

    3. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by AHuxley · · Score: 1, Interesting

      AC the problematic part is having the gov find the budget every year to keep everything working and presenting the USA as a modern nation.
      The next part is the total upgrade of the parts people look at and use. That 1960's styling that needs a lot of work and budget just to keep as is.
      Other nations sell off their airports and let the private sector take that huge risk.
      No more having to cover the costs of upkeep every year and new design work every few years, over the decades.
      That tax money once used to keep an airport looking nice can then go to bridges, roads around the USA and other vital work that really needs doing.

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    4. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fascists and the eugenicists were Democrats.

      Yeah, yeah, great, they're all dead, just like fucking Abe Lincoln, Andrew Jackson and your mom.

      Toll roads were how many interstates were originally built.

      Please learn some history so you're aren't so ignorant.

      History included the periods when we realized that toll roads were total fuck-up bullshits, that the politics of the 1860s don't control the parties of today and your mom regretted not drowning you at birth in the River Styx.

    5. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just think of how much valuable that land will be as a golf course.

    6. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And now the fascists, racists and eugenicists are Republicans.

      Please stop looking only at the distant past and pay attention to the current state of the world.

    7. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Airports make a lot of money.

      By privatising/selling the airport you get things like: higher parking fees, additional charges on Taxi trips starting at the airport, additional passenger taxes for flights, higher fees added to public transport that starts/ends at the airport.

    8. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > AC the problematic part is having the gov find the budget every year to keep everything working and presenting the USA as a modern nation.
      You could start by not exempting churches and rich people from taxes. It would probably help if you cut down your military spendings to, say, the sum of what China, Russia, and Saudi Arabia spend, as well.

    9. Re: Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facsism is the extereme form of conservatism that focuses the power of the state, social conservatism, and a hatred of liberalism. Socialism/communism is the extreme form of liberalism, I know easy to confuse them, not.

      Take a basics civics class and donâ(TM)t believe everything you read on Breitbart/fox, give you a hint most of it is demonstratively false.

    10. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not a huge risk, it's a money-making public asset. Airports are gold mines. Besides gate fees, there are lots of bucks to be made renting space, parking spaces, food/taxes, fuel/taxes, and far more.

      Other nations might sell off their assets, and they're idiots.

      Instead, sell off and stop the tax monies to private airports, thousands of them that serve general aviation, and make them stand on their own feet without tax dollar support. Make private aviation have to pay its own dues, rather than shifting the cost to the cattle car carriers we call airlines.

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    11. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by AHuxley · · Score: 2

      Re "It's not a huge risk, it's a money-making public asset."
      Making "money" would see every larger airport in the USA been brand new and be great looking.
      The "lots of bucks to be made" will not cover a new design and total new look and keep an airport working.
      Thats a risk the private sector can take on. The costs every year and the "lots of bucks to be made" do not add up to been able to build what is needed.
      A lot of great looking new airports are needed.
      So that flying into the USA and around the USA is not a trip back to the 1960's.
      What happened in the 1980's, 1990's, 2000's to all that "lots of bucks to be made"?
      Was it saved to make any airport great again?
      Did the "lots of bucks to be made" just get used over man years on other projects not related to airports?

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    12. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Some few people got greedy and profited immensely instead of maintaining and incrementally updating the thing that was making them all that money. Then later they plead poverty to get public handouts to do massive updates. Seems like a good strategy; privatize profits, socialize upkeep.

    13. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3, Informative

      Maybe elsewhere they make big money, but in the US, it's not quite true. Here's the budget for Los Angeles World Airports. Now, at first blush it looks like they'll make about $100MM in profit in 2017; however, tearing into it, you see they do that by issuing $680MM in new bonds, and paying our $560MM in old bond servicing. So basically their profit comes from issuing new debt. Not quite as much of a gold mine as many would think, especially for the 2nd busiest airport in the US.

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    14. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bad analogy. LAX has been undergoing a massive expansion and will continue to do so for the next decade. Its like building a newer bigger airport over the existing one, while the old one still runs.

      That takes $$.

    15. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      And governments and airport authorities do a fine job. Give it to the private sector and watch the costs become base*profit margin. The private sector shouldn't be necessary at all; they already are the contractors for lots of services. These are PUBLIC assets, not to be sold to the gleaners.

      You're moving the argument into areas that have nothing to do with airports and public finance. Lots of great airports have come online in the past decade, along with stellar remodel jobs. It's folly to attempt to finesse some sort of glamor of the 1960s when the world has changed quite a bit since that era. Instead, get the private airports off the public dole.

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    16. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

      And the airports suggested to be sold - they don't exist now, and don't need a massive overhaul? We would expect them to make big profits even when they are going to get reworked?

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    17. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      Not really. Your citation doesn't take into account how they operate at all. Take a look at sunken capital costs vs depreciation vs their revenue model. It's true that financing helps them along, but not to the extent that you imply, at all.

      And find me a private business that doesn't have investors, bank notes, lots of debt glue, and sunken costs. Comparing the two is pretty juvenile. I'm not a big fan of bonds, but they're tempered against ratings and underwriter considerations and are a viable method of finance for public entities. Look at the litigation that surrounds failures if you had any questions. Most airport corporate entities have stellar ratings and are good lending/bonding risks. Subtracting one bond effort for another isn't a very good method of comparing operating revenues vs finance.

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    18. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another perk is that selling off Dulles International Airport will force government and military personnel to travel through other less secure airports. Hope you are staying warm in Leningrad, comrade.

    19. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by tbannist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      AC the problematic part is having the gov find the budget every year to keep everything working and presenting the USA as a modern nation. The next part is the total upgrade of the parts people look at and use. That 1960's styling that needs a lot of work and budget just to keep as is. Other nations sell off their airports and let the private sector take that huge risk. No more having to cover the costs of upkeep every year and new design work every few years, over the decades. That tax money once used to keep an airport looking nice can then go to bridges, roads around the USA and other vital work that really needs doing.

      Ok so you sell off the airports this year because you have pay to upgrade them, and use that money on bridges instead. What do you do next year? Sell the bridges and roads?

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    20. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      I don't so much say cut spending, but I do believe we should either charge the other nations or stop helping them in time of crisis. That would significantly cut spending.

    21. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporations can finance those things and project out profits year after year. Or else they wouldn't be interested in buying them up. Govt wants to look at the next 12 hrs and see it won't be fixed by then so better to cash in now. X+1 dollar now is better than x dollars every year forever because look, 1 dollar more for this weeks budget if we sell now.
      The only thing more shortsighted than an American corporation is an American government.

    22. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are ZERO Nazis in the United States. Fucking dunce.

    23. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's balmy and warm here in the tropics, thanks. How's the weather in Beijing today?

    24. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by meerling · · Score: 1

      The nazi party were not democrats.
      Most of the eugenicists that people talk about and hate were nazis.
      You're the one that needs to learn some history, not to mention stop reading breitbart, that shit is sludge from brainrot on a good day.
      Speaking of that rabid conspiracy rag, did you realize that in german, breitbart literally translates to wide beard...

    25. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by meerling · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Technically you are correct.
      However as we do have groups that are referred to as neo-nazis, who follow the teachings and ideals of the nazis, and even use one of the nazi flags, we have fucking nazis.

      If it looks like a nazi, talks like a nazi, and goosesteps like a nazi... I'm sure you get the idea...

    26. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by meerling · · Score: 1

      Public infrastructure should never be in private hands. There are entire books on this subject from a historical viewpoint and others.
      Short version, the country relies on that infrastructure, and when it's in the hands of someone else, it's no longer something that can be counted on, as well as the costs to the country increasing.

      If someone buys any public infrastructure, they fully intend to get a lot more cash out of it than what they paid for it. As such, costs will go up for us. Also, unless they are heavily regulated by the government, they will be able to deny or otherwise screw with the usage of that infrastructure.
      If you want that stuff fixed up, then you sure as hell don't want our companies that are known for thinking short term only to be in charge of it. If they run a calculation that says they can make x3 their investment back in 20 years, while fixing it up would extend that to 30 years, they'll go with the 20 years and not fix anything and plan on either dumping it on someone else, or listing it as a writeoff of a condemned property or something like that. Companies don't give the slightest F about the public, just their bottom line in the short term.

      As to states taking care of the infrastructure. The states that could, did, the rest can't and won't. Offering to do 20%, but only for some things is more of an insult than can be imagined for most people. Hell of some of those states can't get a bridge maintained when the government is offering anywhere from 50% to 70%, they sure as F won't do anything if they only get 20%. Of course, only a moron would come up with a plan like that.

      Now if for some reason an infrastructure is determined to not be important, then it would be viable to sell it off, or replace it with something useful, otherwise no.
      Highways, Dams, Airports, and a lot of other things are in fact considered important, even if you don't care or if you fail to understand why.

    27. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by meerling · · Score: 1

      If companies can get away with not spending money on the airports, that's exactly what will happen.
      Companies intend to make a profit off of any purchase, and they will raise prices to do so, after all, they will have just paid a buttload to get them.
      Airports are considered an important infrastructure, and as such need to be functional even if they lose money, which isn't something that corporations care about or will agree to. If a corporation can't make a profit on it, they will get rid of it. You can't do that with important infrastructure.

    28. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why bother, the argument doesn't hold water anyway.

      No government anywhere has ever sold off infrastructure that wasn't profitable/capable of being profitable.
      A private company would never buy infrastructure like that.

      There is practically only one case where a sale like that could happen and that is if the infrastructure is profitable so that it is worth buying and the one in charge of the sale wants to rob the government in favor of one of his cronies.

      Of course, it is possible to sell off unprofitable infrastructure too, if the buyer intends to cut maintenance and make a short term profit on it until it falls apart and the government has to step in and fund the renovation.

      It is not like we haven't seen this happen before, multiple times, with the same outcome.

    29. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Airports are unsuitable for private ownership because there is little meaningful competition. It's not like a rival can open their own competing airport nearby.

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    30. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Other nations sell off their airports and let the private sector take that huge risk.

      No they don't, because they need the airports. All that happens is that debts and long term contracts to private companies are hidden from the national debt figures and the government has to underwrite everything anyway because the airport is too important to go out of business.

      It's just a way of privatising the profits while socalising the risks.

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    31. Re: Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So privatization will mean that well off professionals will pay a greater fair share, and those who are less well off will benefit from local infrastructure improvements.

    32. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never once seen a real "neo-Nazi". Those clowns on TV are actors and paid political agents. There are ZERO Nazis, neo- or otherwise, in the United States.

    33. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the real world, the US is protecting its own interests defending other countries, they are its market.

    34. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by gtall · · Score: 1

      Jesus, get a sense of proportion. The total U.S. foreign aid budget is roughly $50 Billion, out of a close to $4 Trillion budget. Even were you to remove the entire defense budget, you have only saved roughly $650 Billion. And cutting alliances will only cause defense go to up not down. Right now, the main drives of deficits will be the aging pop., the stupid immigrant policies of the alleged administration, and the recent tax payoff to Republican donors (gee, no talk NOW of how that payoff will pay for itself, is there?).

      The latest Einsteinian moment from el Presidente Tweetie's new budget it to x out the $120 million spent on setting up advance warning capabilities outside the U.S. so the U.S. doesn't get blind-sided by a new epidemic. Apparently, preventing a new epidemic is deemed more expensive than actually dealing with one you never saw coming.

      Budget figures matter, you should get some.

    35. Re: Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I beg to differ. As a non-white American-born citizen, Iâ(TM)ve been personally sieg heiled by a car full of youths next to mine. There are fuckinâ(TM) neo-nazi POS in this county.

    36. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Issuing new bonds to call old bonds can make sense in today's low rate environment. If you have a $100 callable bond at 5%, and you can issue new bonds at 3.5%, there is a good chance it is worth the fees of the investment bank underwriting the new issue to issue the new bonds at the lower rate. It can also make sense to issue bonds if your RoI is a wide margin larger than the rates and fees. Also consider that the 2017 bond servicing line was almost double the previous two years, and half the 2018 projection. Unfortunately, there is no context to these numbers like you would see in the SEC filings public companies make every quarter and year to explain the large change, so all we can do is speculate.

    37. Re: Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're literally retarded. A simple check of the dictionary proves you wrong.

      Fascism is an extreme form of authoritarianism.

      Stalin and Mao, leftists, were also fascists. Hitler, modern day Iran and Saudi Arabia are socially conservative fascists, although all three dabbled in economic socialism.

    38. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by mjwx · · Score: 2

      It's not a huge risk, it's a money-making public asset. Airports are gold mines. Besides gate fees, there are lots of bucks to be made renting space, parking spaces, food/taxes, fuel/taxes, and far more.

      Other nations might sell off their assets, and they're idiots.

      This is the standard plan of modern conservative economists... find your best performing assets and sell them off for a pittance, screw the future. It's going to be the other guys who'll have to get us out of it.

      John Howard in Australia did the same thing, selling off public assets and utilities including several major airports because that was the only way he could balance a budget.

      Instead, sell off and stop the tax monies to private airports, thousands of them that serve general aviation, and make them stand on their own feet without tax dollar support. Make private aviation have to pay its own dues, rather than shifting the cost to the cattle car carriers we call airlines.

      Whoa cowboy, that sounds like communism there. You don't want Communism in 'Merika do you?

      Without public funds and tax money going to hard working private corporations how do you expect CEO's and other High Net Value Individuals to receive massive bonuses and incentives to keep making more money. Without those essential tax dollars, corporations may have to run responsibly and cut senior management remuneration or restrict stock options. Why do you hate 'Murika?

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    39. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      The difference between a government-run road and a corporate-run road (where the corporation is heavily regulated, gets its charter from the government, is granted a monopoly by the government, tolls are approved by regulatory commission, etc)... it's basically an implementation detail. Depending on the state, they'll probably even force the corporation to use prevailing wage to keep the unions happy. The NJ Turnpike would likely be indistinguishable as an authority vs. a corporation. I don't think there is any money to be saved here - roads are inherently monopolistic and not really subject to free market forces.

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    40. Re: Private ownership of public infrastructure by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      You can go far enough left to approach fascism, too. Beware wing-nuts on both sides. Anyone probing you, shaming you, or vetting you for ideological purity is not someone you want to ally yourself with.

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    41. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      Your wisdom is lost in your delivery.

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    42. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stop the tax monies to private airports, thousands of them that serve general aviation, and make them stand on their own feet without tax dollar support. Make private aviation have to pay its own dues, rather than shifting the cost to the cattle car carriers we call airlines.

      "Private" aviation does pay its own dues.

      You've been listening to corporate propaganda from airlines that want to make even more money by shifting their cost to smaller aircraft owners. This would also help them stifle competition by making it more difficult for a competitor to start up. Airlines have been pushing this story for more than four decades, in hopes they'd get a president dumb enough to push it through for them.

      There are no "tax monies to private airports". Tax dollars go to public airports; money which comes from taxes the owners of private aircraft pay. Airports are just like highways, in that the users pay for them. I'm reminded of this every time I pump gas into my airplane at $5 to $7 a gallon, depending on how much the local government wants to gouge me on top of what the feds get (and airports forbid me bringing my own fuel from a gas station in town, unless I pay them a "flow fee" for the privilege).

      Your argument is an equjvalent of "tax those rich private car owners more because driving should be left to the professionals and the bus companies shouldn't be subsidizing the roads for those with their own cars".

      And you're stupid, and ugly, and nobody likes you because you're a jerk.

    43. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      No. Unequivocally: No.

      You odd ad hominem that you finished with distinguishes you as defending your own turf. I was a private pilot. I know how much federal loot goes into preserving general aviation at the cost of so much more.

      I dislike and am no friend of airlines/carriers/cabals either. But general aviation today allows a private pathway for the rich to not have to join the unwashed masses in the total messes that is today's aviation security morass.

      Billions are poured into this private highway. The taxes in gen-av fuel taxes, tie-downs, FBO, and other ostensible profit centers don't even begin to cover the costs of it..... and let the rich pay in their Cessnas, Pipers, etc all the way up to Citations and more. Gouge? Yes, private aviation really doesn't pay for itself in the same way that commercial trucks do.

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    44. Re: Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it simply means everyone pays more.

    45. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Thank the left for Streisand Effecting them into relevance again. The liberals keep pointing to people nobody has ever heard of giving them the greatest platform in decades, all to keep a narrative alive that was all but dead. Liberals NEED the Nazis more than the right does, if only to point to them as being relevant. After all, how can you use the race card when racism is just a road sign in the rear view mirror?

      Good News for blacks and the congressional black caucus can't even clap. THAT is how bad things are on the plantation, when the slaves realize they can just walk away.

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    46. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Mr3vil · · Score: 1

      It appears you've never heard of the German-American Bund. You think they all just died off because we got into a shooting war with Germany? I mean we still have people in the South thinking the confederacy will somehow rise from the dead. It isn't a stretch to imagine bundists passed along their idiocy onto their progeny and far less time has passed since the Bund was active than the Confederate States of America.

    47. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      There are no fees, tolls, or reservations for the Baltimore- Washington Parkway. Please obey the rules and regulations on the parkway. There are no commercial vehicles allowed on the parkway. People movers such as buses and limousines are allowed.

      Tolls?

    48. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Private" airports are public just as much or maybe even more so than the big airports that service airlines. The purpose of airports is the same as loading docks at harbors and highways. They exist to facilitate transportation that business and personal use require in order for people to get the things done that they need to get done.
      Example: Hurricane/earthquake damages that cause significant disruption in normal means of transport and medical/food supplies are needed. Airports are one method we use to get those services there when needed.
      Example: Medical emergency transportation. The mechanics and fuel and training are managed at nearby airports. Hospitals have landing pads but very very few have all the facilities to repair and maintain the helicopters and aviation oxygen systems.
      Example: Businesses will charter small flights to visit properties and partners in cities without major airline service. The local economy benefits from this type of access.
      Example: People who live in an area may wish to exercise our freedom to be licensed and own planes. Having a place to base from is important, as is having places to go to and visit, spreading economic benefits of the vacationer.

      The argument can be made that each community must pay for it's own assets. Often we find that this is problematic when we apply this logic on roads. There are shared benefits from the standpoint of the local region, the state, and the national level. Thus we have a system that shares funding from each of these government levels to pay for these assets. We can dispute how much each should pay, but it follows similar levels for the roads and other transportation systems.

      For a counter argument, would we like to discuss funding for schooling and why expecting locals to pay for their own schools? I think we will quickly realize that some assets at local levels have national impact.

    49. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. Most won't complain until they put up the tollbooth at the end of their driveway.

    50. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      So, the entire executive board of AIG has cash compensation of some $128 per employee per year; when you include all the perks, it's around $520 per employee per year. For Home Depot, you're looking at $20 per employee per year to pay executive compensation.

      Stocks and stock options don't come out of revenues; instead, the executives get to inflate the currency of issued stock, picking the pockets of shareholders just a tad. Think of it like printing money so every ten thousand dollars is worth 50 cents less, but you have a million dollars: the "money" is your corporate-issued stock.

      The truth is corporations don't bleed a whole hell of a lot of money out through massive bonuses and high cash compensation salaries. They bleed money through inefficiencies (running below current technical progress, not the theoretical future technology people always argue should magically exist today). Some businesses also just aren't viable at the price they need to charge; others are subsidized because we want that passed onto the consumer.

      Trains and public transportation (buses, light rail) are generally subsidized due to non-viability at cost. Food is generally subsidized to keep costs down (farmers aren't allowed to charge too much for things like wheat, and the Federal government pays pretty decently for every tonne of wheat produced to push farmers up to the 10% profitability they get).

      So, what about airports? What about any other private corporation? Are they non-viable at the price they need to charge without subsidies? Do we subsidize them for an economic benefit, facilitating more travel and associated economic activity? Do we just subsidize them because they have good lobbyists?

      Everyone keeps focusing on things that don't matter. People yammer about income inequality and demand CEO pay limitations under the assertion that the CEO's bonus could buy healthcare for everyone and pay higher wages... yet it's usually $20/year or so, maybe $100/year, and the most-egregious large businesses with millionaire executives (far and few between) barely scrape $1,000/year for the whole executive suite's entire cash and perk compensation package.

      You can't buy health insurance for $1,000/year--if you could, we wouldn't have a dialogue about universal healthcare! $80/month helps the poorest of poor stabilize, but it's not a step up for people who aren't struggling to scrape their spare change together. Damned near 100% of employees are either not working for millionaire CEOs or their executives get a couple hundred dollars per employee.

      The problem with income inequality is the poor: we need to bring them up, not drag the rich down and tell the poor it's now "fair" while they continue to rot in the same gutters as ever. The problem with corporate taxes is fiscal: we need funding to run the government (and to have a fair and progressive tax system).

      Even that's an oversimplification. Taxes are complex tools, and the problems aren't people or businesses being taxed too much (that can be a problem) or not enough (that's never a problem unless you're trying to discourage a certain business, like coal), but rather the goals we're not meeting--like ending poverty.

      I'm just tired of conservatives destroying our social safety nets, and progressives leaving the poor behind to engage in their blood-war against the rich. Is anyone trying to help people anymore?

    51. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      The average joe and jane in this country doesn't know how many billions of dollars are spent on "private" airports, that they can't use, have no real access to, because they can't afford private aviation. It's a rich person's game.

      Businesses, in a self-aggrandizement, believe that they should be able to justify (and TAX-DEDUCT) their $500/hr flights to Podunkia USA, instead of flying to a nearby major airport and paying for a car rental, and of course, plowing through the insane public airport security that's required by the unwashed masses. Go through an X-Ray detector? You must be high. These guys bypass it all, a privileged class, and the government finances it.

      The school financing argument is a fail; these are not comparable items.

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    52. Re: Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen many troll-nnazis but no real neo-nazis.
      A troll-nazi is particularaly common online, the troll-nazi doesn't actuslly believe in the values of nazi-ism but wants to make you as upset as possible (because troll) and pretending to be a nazi seems quite effective at that. Nazi-pepe is a good example of "troll-nazi" tactics.

    53. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      You are still paying, even without tolls. Sure, the private company could set up toll booths, but they could also count cars and then get a cut of the gas tax. Like I said, implementation detail.

      By the way, I like that road.

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    54. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You clearly aren't familiar with accounting practices. Changes in bonds outstanding affect the Balance Sheet, not the Income Statement. In other words, increasing the net Bonds Payable on the Balance Sheet has no impact on the Income Statement (at a first-order approximation; to be more precise you'd have to factor in that the interest paid on the new bonds can be different from that would have been paid on the old bonds as well as transaction fees incurred).

    55. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by cthulhu11 · · Score: 1

      Check the summary -- those are already planned.

    56. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well, that and the public safety issue.

    57. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Here's the thing: you can pay $500, or 500 people can pay $1.

    58. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then I must ask, what if I could build a competing airport without all the regulations? When we deregulated the airlines, air travel moved from a luxury item of businessmen in three-piece suits and incredibly rich people down to a few hundred bucks for anybody. Perhaps it is not enough to deregulate only the air trips, but the airports as well.

    59. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that Arizona did sell off non-profitable assets.

      Basically it is another way of getting a loan to pay for your shortcomings now, the difference is the person who bought it knows that you'll buy it back later for a higher price guaranteeing it will be profitable.

    60. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I don't gather your meaning, or maybe you are misinterpreting my argument. I don't really care whether it is toll booths or tax disbursements based on road usage. Gas tax collection is almost certainly more efficient, but probably less fair. On the other hand, if toll collection is automated and standardized (EZ-Pass), then you are reusing existing infrastructure and the efficiency is moot.

      The point I was trying to make is that the governing structure/ownership of a road is an implementation detail - far smaller than all the other things. The government still has absolute control over the entity, and so both opponents and proponents of plans like these are mostly just yelling to be heard. The only advantage that squares well with me is that the government will get a one-time cash payment which they can then put towards things like their unfunded pensions. The biggest disadvantage is the loss of the asset, which of course can be undone in the future through legislation.

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    61. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I don't gather your meaning, or maybe you are misinterpreting my argument. I don't really care whether it is toll booths or tax disbursements based on road usage. Gas tax collection is almost certainly more efficient, but probably less fair.

      Toll booths collect a fee based on how often you pass through the toll lane.

      Taxes collect from people who aren't passing through the toll lane, thus the per-individual payment is lower.

      Gasoline taxes and tolls barely pay for a third of state and local road spending; today, less than half of Federal road spending comes from fuel taxes and road fees. Roads across the nation are paid for primarily by general tax funds--largely income taxes.

      My last car incurred $52.99/year of fuel taxes. Federal spending includes about $1,100 per American per year for road-related spending. Where do you think the money comes from? Hint: it's generally not collected proportional to road use.

    62. Re: Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That nobody has heard of? They are Literally marching and protesting. There are hundreds of websites they own. Go watch the fucking history channel, they have compounds full of neo nazis planning a race war.

      You aren't educated on the matter at all.

    63. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking the smart man just buys all the bridges...

    64. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, that's part of their plan too.....TOLL ROADS FOR EVERYONE! Ya!

    65. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normally, I'm against privatisation, but in the case of airports, I'm not so anti. There are many competitors - it's quite easy to catch a train to the next town over, and use that airport (and sometimes I do that for scheduling and/or cost reasons). Also, airlines put pressure on airports to provide certain services - and that can be quite effective sometimes. It's not like there's no alternative to a local airport (and some cities do have multiple international airports, e.g. Seoul, Tokyo) so, I'm not sure it's such a big deal. Of course, I'm only speaking from personal experience and opinion.

    66. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Gasoline taxes and tolls barely pay for a third of state and local road spending; today,

      That's a matter of policy, not something fundamental to gasoline taxes. Delaware flips that ratio to 2/3, for instance. If MD wanted to fund a private road with gasoline taxes, they could do so. If they want to do it with EZ-Pass and license plate readers like they do on the Intercounty Connector (MD-200), they can do that too. Hell, if they want to tax tacos and fund the road with taco revenue, they can do that. That's my point - it's a policy decision and the ownership of the road is more or less independent of that.

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    67. Re: Private ownership of public infrastructure by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      They are Literally marching and protesting. There are hundreds of websites they own.

      yes, I know. everyone right of Bernie Sanders is a Nazi. Yes, I've heard. Everything is Nazi this, and Nazi that.

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    68. Re: Private ownership of public infrastructure by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      I haven't done a poll, but I'm pretty sure that most Bernie supporters would readily concede that Michelle Bachmann is not a nazi, even if they think that Richard Spencer is.

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    69. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by wyHunter · · Score: 1

      They are? I don't think that Republicans suggest that an entire race abort their babies out of existence, and thus they themselves out of existence, ilke the Democrats do. Racists? I see no more or less evidence of racism among Democrats than Republicans. Fascists? It was FDR who basically declared war on small business, because a few big organizations were easier to cajole. Get your facts straight. The Republican Party is forked up but no more so than the Democrat party.

    70. Re: Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They have a compound next door in Idaho. I've gone to their marches to protest. Either you missed the last 50 years of news or you are trolling slashdot

    71. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess you don't live in the DC area. We have two airports a few dozen miles apart. Why? So Congress doesn't have to leave the inner circle of the beltway.

    72. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Retard.
      The real problem is with your republicans and how once they get into office the country and public gets raped and pillaged of it's assets and national value. Nothing but a fire sale.
      So, FUCK YOU you for being a republican asshole and selling out my country to criminals and sodomites. Lying son of a bitch!

    73. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Across the nation it's about 1/3.

      You're still missing the point: if they fund it with EZ-Pass and license plate readers, the people driving on that road pay more. They fund it with general funds (income tax) so the typical driver pays less--and the lower-income households hardly pay for the roads at all.

      Private ownership and toll roads means a poor worker passing that road twice daily on his commute to work pays the same as the rich guy passing that road just as often, while paying more than anyone who doesn't pass the tolls. Public ownership means we all pay, and so we pay less. One thousand people pass the tolls paying $5, that's $5,000; but if we tax all 1.9 million people in the state, that's a quarter penny for those thousand passing the tolls--a quarter penny paid by everyone, whether they pass the tolls or not. With progressive taxes, it's less paid by the poorer and more by the richer.

    74. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      You're still missing the point:

      No, I don't think I am. I'll restate your point just to make it clear: If a road is funded with tolls (or even a gas tax), the drivers pay the costs directly. It's a flat tax or user fee. Paying from the general fund (in many states a progressive tax) will spread the burden to the entire population and subsidize the drivers. Poor drivers will pay a lot less in absolute dollars than rich drivers. Do I have it right?

      Private ownership and toll roads means a poor worker passing that road twice daily on his commute to work pays the same as the rich guy passing that road just as often

      No, private ownership has nothing to do with it. You are lumping tolls and private ownership together. You could also fund the private road company by counting cars and giving them a cut of the general fund. That's simply a policy decision: how do you want the incentives to work for the road company?

      In other words, if the government has total regulatory authority over the road, it is an implementation detail whether the road itself is privately or publicly owned. Frankly, it's a waste of time to be selling off roads when government debt is super cheap. If bonds were expensive, then it might make more sense to raise revenue in a crunch from road sales.

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    75. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Poor drivers will pay a lot less in absolute dollars than rich drivers

      Right, plus everyone else who doesn't drive that road.

      You could also fund the private road company by counting cars and giving them a cut of the general fund. That's simply a policy decision: how do you want the incentives to work for the road company?

      You could, but who does that? You could also rent a house but be responsible for all the maintenance and taxes.

    76. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      You could, but who does that?

      Who does private roads? This is uncharted territory. There is one in Ontario, which according to the (admittedly slanted) piece I read has been an unmitigated disaster. They used tolls. And (surprise surprise) poor people stay on the congested secondary roads.

      I could see some kind of a compromise - allow half of lanes to be tolled and let them price the toll based on traffic. Returning again to MD, this is already done on I-95 approaching Baltimore. This would let the poor still access the highway, at the cost of time, and also let the rich subsidize the construction and maintenance by paying the tolls.

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    77. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Since I'm not a smart man, it seems something similar is already done in Virginia. Granted, the road is not "privately owned", but it is privately run and they have a form of the compromise that I outlined above in place - with the addition of free passage for HOV.

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    78. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I mean who sells a road, then continues doing all the administrative management of the road as if they own it?

      I-66 is priced based on traffic. It hit $46.50 for a single passenger vehicle.

    79. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      continues doing all the administrative management

      This isn't about administrative management, it's about how the incentive structure is put in place. If your societal goal is to subsidize road travel, then you subsidize road travel. So you, the government, can let a road owner set up toll booths any way they like (bad idea, see Ontario). You could let them set up express lanes (see Virginia). You could simply count cars and then reimburse the road company based on road usage (maybe a good idea in states without an electronic toll infrastructure). You could just give them an arbitrary pile of money every year (very bad idea - no incentives). It's simply a policy decision and does not involve any active "management".

      I-66 is priced based on traffic. It hit $46.50 for a single passenger vehicle.

      Is this set up the same as the I-95 arrangement I linked to? So still free if you aren't in the express lane, or if you are carpooling in the express lanes? I don't personally have a problem with this so long as the fee is presented ahead of time. I think it's great that someone is willing to pay so much of the road upkeep just to save a bit of time - everyone else benefits.

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    80. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Figuring out how many cars are passing, collecting the fees (taxes), and disbursing them isn't administrative management? There's nothing else to do except rebuild the road when it needs resurfacing.

      I-66 has lanes on and an off-ramp. If you don't want to pay I-66 tolls, you get off I-66 and bypass it via I-50. You don't know the fee until you're within viewing distance of the tolls; you probably can't get off the highway if you're in the left lane. The fee updates every six minutes.

    81. Re:Private ownership of public infrastructure by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Figuring out how many cars are passing

      How is this any different than setting up toll booths? Make the company keep count, and make them hire an auditor to do spot checks to keep them honest. Hardly any administrative effort at all.

      collecting the fees (taxes)

      This is already done. No marginal cost.

      disbursing them

      Paying private contracts is an existing function of government and this additional check will add almost no marginal cost.

      I-66

      This is a state-owned route, so while I find our discussion about it interesting, this would serve to reinforce my opinion that the choice of how to toll is a policy issue and not fundamental to the ownership of the road.

      Incidentally, since I rarely make it to the Virginia side of the DC area I was not familiar with I-66, so thanks for that. I found this opinion piece which is bullish on the I-66 tolling. Clearly it is contentious.

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    82. Re: Private ownership of public infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I beg to differ from you. My former brother in law and his daughter are BOTH members of the NSM. Nazis DO exist in this country.

  2. The PepsiCo White House by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The official home of Pepsi ... and the leader of the free world

    1. Re:The PepsiCo White House by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, or the Trojan "Ribbed for her comfort" congressional building

    2. Re:The PepsiCo White House by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      On second thought, the Washington monument would be a way better Trojan purchase because they could display the product during sales rallies.

    3. Re:The PepsiCo White House by Pseudonym · · Score: 0

      Nice try, but PepsiCo actually seems to care about women in their own weird tone-deaf corporate way.

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    4. Re:The PepsiCo White House by fred911 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, that would be "Brawndo the Thirst Mutilator: It's got what plants crave! It's got electrolytes."

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    5. Re:The PepsiCo White House by sheramil · · Score: 1

      On second thought, the Washington monument would be a way better Trojan purchase because they could display the product during sales rallies.

      You don't get sales by making the customer feel inadequate.

      "Say, can you guys breed a smaller kind of banana? Why? YOU KNOW WHY."

    6. Re:The PepsiCo White House by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. It's the Diet Coke White House. I remember something about a red button fetching a Diet Coke.

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    7. Re:The PepsiCo White House by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who wouldn't care about half their customer base? Welcome to the corporate world, where every customer is equal.

      Now, those non-pepsi drinking people on the other hand....

    8. Re:The PepsiCo White House by Reverend+Green · · Score: 1

      They care about selling semitoxic food-like products to women, yes....

  3. This sounds...familiar by TomR+teh+Pirate · · Score: 4, Informative

    https://www.newyorker.com/maga...

    This is how you turn the first world into the third world

    1. Re:This sounds...familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because airports == water....

    2. Re:This sounds...familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What a dumb link. That entire article, while informative, is completely off topic. Its about water rights and the global shortage of fresh water. Unless the 2 mentioned airports are supplying water, your post is entirely off topic.

    3. Re:This sounds...familiar by TomR+teh+Pirate · · Score: 2

      This isn't about water, it's about public resources and the damage that is done to any sort of utility or institution when privatization is applied to the public interest. Yes, I can see I'm marked as troll / off-topic, but the damage done when some things get privatized is well documented. It applies to water, prisons, and soon will apply to airports. And no, it's not about water shortages. It's about how those shortages were responded to.

    4. Re:This sounds...familiar by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Informative

      It applies to water, prisons, and soon will apply to airports.

      I hate to point this out, but the vast majority of airports in the US are not owned by the US government.

      Even those that aren't owned by the feds are reasonably well controlled by the limits put on the availability of federal funds. Things like "if you accept federal money, the airport must be open to all users." There are some anomalies, like Chicago Meigs, but O'hare (along with Atlanta Hartsfeld) seem to run just fine without federal ownership.

    5. Re:This sounds...familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have no idea how bad it is!

      He might even privatize the air traffic control system and LITERALLY turn us into a third world shithole like... CANADA!

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nav_Canada

    6. Re: This sounds...familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not for profit with strict regulations and for funding. We have things called crown corporations too, those are models that can work. But it's not exactly fully privatized.

    7. Re:This sounds...familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see your point but I have to disagree for the following reasons:

      1. Your example has a major equivalency issue. Not only in the difference between water rights and airports but also regions and government. Long story short your example is not even remotely an equal situation.

      2. You say "This is how you turn the first world into the third world" but your example fails to show how the country was first world and then became third world as a direct result of privatizing water rights.

      3. Privatization is not the same as no regulation. We have many utilities that are owned by private companies but are heavily regulated by the local government. For example my local natural gas and electric companies. They can't arbitrarily shit off service in the middle of the winter or raise prices without getting approval from our local government. They make a profit, save the local government money by operating more efficiently and still provide a well regulated and fair utility service. In another local example our local government controlled water department recently got sued by the federal for close to .5 billion for putting off required improvements. Our bills subsequently tripled and are much greater than surrounding areas including privatized options. Had this been a well regulated private company I doubt the same problem would have happened given share holder accountability.

      I say let the private sector take over with the stipulation that "if you don't play by our rules and regulations the government will take it back from you at your loss". That way if there is some efficient improvements they can offer without extorting the public they have the chance. Otherwise its back to the way it was.

    8. Re:This sounds...familiar by jshackney · · Score: 1

      There are some anomalies, like Chicago Meigs . . .

      And KSMO where the government completely rolled over on its back for a belly scratch by the SMO board.

    9. Re: This sounds...familiar by meerling · · Score: 1

      Have you forgotten that trump and the repubs have been eliminating or eviscerating regulations that were put in place to stop abuses by various types of companies in the first place? They certainly can't be trusted to institute appropriate regulations when they've been spending their time in power weakening or otherwise destroying those regulations in the first place.

    10. Re:This sounds...familiar by shilly · · Score: 1

      Wait, you think O'Hare runs "just fine"?? That is, to put it mildly, not the experience I have heard from most people, nor my own

    11. Re:This sounds...familiar by TomR+teh+Pirate · · Score: 1

      I think your points are fair and well stated, but I also think you're overlooking the fact that private ownership often brings with it a profit motive that too often comes at the expense of safety, environmental compliance, and affordability. We have seen too many other stories here on /. where Comcast (another provider of a vital utility) does really nasty things in communities, and then turns around and sues other communities who dare to establish publicly-owned internet. Others here have stated that many US airports are already privately owned, and it may be true that some of them run just fine. My thesis in all of this is that government ownership of vital services is more likely to be helmed as an honest broker than will be seen with private ownership.

    12. Re:This sounds...familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You apparently have never taken a plane through O'Hare...

    13. Re:This sounds...familiar by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      I hate to point this out, but "Public" doesn't refer solely to things owned by the federal government. States, counties, and cities all count as public owners as well. O'Hare is owned by the City of Chicago and Hartsfeld is owned by the City of Atlanta - they are both public assets. In fact, every single one of the busiest airports in the country is owned by some government or government agency. There is no need, or benefit, to privatizing any of them. I doubt that there even is any private operator with the expertise and manpower necessary to operate such large and busy airports. So why is this even a discussion?

    14. Re:This sounds...familiar by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Wait, you think O'Hare runs "just fine"?

      I go through ORD on a semi-regular basis. United sometimes screws up, but the airport itself is not bad.

    15. Re:This sounds...familiar by shilly · · Score: 1

      Huh. YMMV has never been more apt.

  4. User Fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The private sector KNOWS how to run things. We just need a few user fees.

    -Parking garage entrance fee
    -Parking garage exit fee
    -Airport entrance fee
    -Airport exit fee
    -Airport Security Fee
    -Fee payment Fee
    -Fee payment fee recovery fee
    -Fee payment fee recovery fee surcharge
    -Fee payment fee recovery fee surcharge levy
    -Fee payment fee recovery fee surcharge levy premium

    They should charge for WiFi bandwidth by the byte, say the same as a text message fee, but with a premium.

    -Stuff at the airport is too cheap, as proof, even the poors can afford to fly. Poors should have to take the bus everywhere, or at least need a loan to fly.

    -Passport fees should also increase.

    1. Re: User Fees by bkmoore · · Score: 1

      You left out the âzasking a question feeâoe

    2. Re:User Fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The private sector KNOWS how to run things. We just need a few user fees.

      -Parking garage entrance fee
      -Parking garage exit fee
      -Airport entrance fee
      -Airport exit fee
      -Airport Security Fee
      -Fee payment Fee
      -Fee payment fee recovery fee
      -Fee payment fee recovery fee surcharge
      -Fee payment fee recovery fee surcharge levy
      -Fee payment fee recovery fee surcharge levy premium

      They should charge for WiFi bandwidth by the byte, say the same as a text message fee, but with a premium.

      -Stuff at the airport is too cheap, as proof, even the poors can afford to fly. Poors should have to take the bus everywhere, or at least need a loan to fly.

      -Passport fees should also increase.

      I fly out of Dulles (IAD) roughly once a month for work. The airport charges exorbitant rates for parking, so I take a cab to and from the airport. The cabs have to pay an "airport recovery fee" to pick up and drop off at the airport, and of course this is passed on to consumers (by law!).

      I was surprised to discover that Uber charges half of what the cabs charge.

      You seem to think that a private business will add silly fees above what a government will charge. This is simply wrong not true at Dulles Airport. When the government mandated that I take a cab from the one company allowed to offer rides (Washington Flyer Taxi), the cost was higher than what Uber charges. That makes sense:

        * Uber can't charge more than Lyft. The poor sucker who has to take the government-granted monopoly cab has no choice but to pay what that company demands.

        * Uber knows where you want to go before a car is assigned. It can pool people into cars based on destination, moving the same number of people at a lower cost per person. The cabs refuse to allow this (I tried to ask why about a dozen times, and got no answer).

      I know that it is fashionable to pretend that governments are excellent and anything done for profit is an evil conspiracy, but it is simply not true in the real world.

    3. Re:User Fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in a small city with a privately owned airport and our parking fees are double yours and we have airport fees on top of tickets, taxi and ride sharing congestion fees. You have no concept of EXPENSIVE parking and fees till you see a for profit business running it where they know you have no choice but to pay. I know the government sucks and they run things terribly, but at least in these scenarios they aren't running them as a profit centre.

    4. Re:User Fees by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You misunderstand your own example. What brings costs down is competition. A lot of big pieces of infrastructure like airports do not have head-to-head competition. If you hate your local airport and need to fly cross country for business, are you going to take a train? If the major freeways around your home are privately owned, are you going to walk?

      I know that it is fashionable to pretend that government is bad at everything and private enterprise is better, but it is simply not true in the real world.

    5. Re:User Fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "What brings costs down is competition." Which requires regulations and enforcement, not fraud and developers who hire illegals and don't pay them and declare bankruptcy 6+ times, then BRIBE PAM BONDI?
      Couldn't agree more. Get him out of here and into that jumpsuit, pronto. Get him out of here. No fucking obvious criminal Presidents - NOT WITHOUT ACTING CHOPS AT LEAST UP TO REAGAN LEVEL.

      Get him out of here. Bitch sons too. Traitors. Fucking idiots. They had it all! They literally had everything they ever needed and fucked up trying to steal more.

      FUCK EM.

    6. Re:User Fees by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      You misunderstand your own example. What brings costs down is competition. A lot of big pieces of infrastructure like airports do not have head-to-head competition. If you hate your local airport and need to fly cross country for business, are you going to take a train? If the major freeways around your home are privately owned, are you going to walk?

      Except in this case, Reagan National and Dulles are only 58 miles apart. There's a shuttle between them. I've taken return flights into one when my original flight to the other was cancelled Then I took a cab to the parking garage to get to my car.

      There's also BWI. It's 36 miles from Reagan and 58 miles from Dulles.

      I'm not a big fan of doing this. But as long as the same company can't purchase both airports, then there will be competition. It would be interesting to see how it works with two different companies competing with each other as well as BWI remaining under government control.

      They could have a similar situation with LaGuardia, JFK and Newark.

    7. Re:User Fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      58 mile trip is hardly competition and still leaves a huge amount of room to overcharge before such a trip becomes viable. LaGuardia, JFK and Newark are all very different sized airports which service different markets and hence they don't compete, nor do any of them have the capacity to try and steal the others market and hence have no incentive to provide any competition

    8. Re:User Fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL if you think those are exorbitant rates then fuck you are in for a rude shock if you try some of the countries with privatized airports. In Australia your daily parking in Dulles won't even get you 2 hours of parking at Sydney Airport. Australian airports are cleaner and nicer than the US ones but you need to take a loan out if you want to park at one for a few days.

    9. Re: User Fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      58 miles could certainly provide competition if you live right between them, as a million or so people do.

    10. Re:User Fees by dryeo · · Score: 2

      There's 3 internet companies where I live, they all charge the same.
      There are 3 main cell companies here, they all charge the same, even the other month when #4 tried to enter the market and they all offered the same cheap deal.
      There's over a dozen gas stations owned by about 6 companies, they almost all charge the same price including going up and down together. The exception is far enough out of town that they can charge more.
      There are 3 grocery stores and they got caught fixing the price of bread.
      The government started privatizing the government run liquor stores a few years back, but had to stop due to the outrage. The government liquor stores are generally profitably, putting a lot of money into the treasury, subsidizing the stores in the middle of nowhere and paying their workers fairly decently. The private stores charge 10-20% more, pay their workers minimum wage (but they do hire cute girls). I avoid them, but others seem to use them due to location and of course, the lack of ID checking.

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    11. Re: User Fees by plopez · · Score: 1

      Ummm... the entire point of airports is to service people from long distances.

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    12. Re:User Fees by plopez · · Score: 1

      "But as long as the same company can't purchase both airports, "

      Hahahahahahahahaha that's a good one. In every industry there has been consolidation to provide more efficienies (they never say for who. Prices will rise, services will suffer, quality will drop, and security will become an after thought. Because *that* is how the private sector thinks.

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    13. Re:User Fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a similar situation with Chicago O'Hare and Midway; Houston Bush and Hobby; Dallas Ft. Worth and Love Field; Clevaland and Akron-Canton ; San Francisco, Oakland, and San Jose; and maybe Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, and West Palm Beach.

      The airport I choose is based on the connecting flight or departure/arrival time, not the quality of the airport services. Who the fuck chooses a flight based on the airport's quality?

      dom

    14. Re:User Fees by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      What sort of communist hellhole has government owned liquor stores?

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    15. Re:User Fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Virginia has for years. It is historically a red state that is shifting blue. State owned liquor stores are the only place to buy any alcohol that is not beer or wine. It was been that way for years.

    16. Re:User Fees by ZosX · · Score: 1

      Pennsylvania does. I was always kind of against them, but after reading the parent's comment I think I might have to reconsider that stance.

    17. Re:User Fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's 3 internet companies where I live, they all charge the same.
      There are 3 main cell companies here, they all charge the same, even the other month when #4 tried to enter the market and they all offered the same cheap deal.
      There's over a dozen gas stations owned by about 6 companies, they almost all charge the same price including going up and down together. The exception is far enough out of town that they can charge more.

      These are examples of competition working. There is not a lot of differentiation among products for internet providers, cell service providers and gas stations. So they cannot compete by offering different services. They can only compete on price. The natural result is that they all end up at the same price.

      Except for the gas station that can offer something different - a convenient location.

      There are 3 grocery stores and they got caught fixing the price of bread.

      And here is an example that the government watchdogs are preventing the competing companies from colluding and acting like a monopoly. This is what would happen if you only had one choice in internet providers, cellular service providers or gas stations.

    18. Re:User Fees by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      A hell of a lot of states have government-run stores for alcohol. Which alcoholic beverages require a government store vary by state.

      They do this because 1) teetotaler busy bodies convinced enough people that the demon drink must be restricted and only the government can be trusted to restrict it properly, and 2) the stores make 3 metric shitloads of money so states don't want to end their monopoly.

    19. Re:User Fees by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I'll add that the gas is the most expensive in N. America and the cell service and internet is some of the most expensive in the world.

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    20. Re:User Fees by dryeo · · Score: 1

      BC and various other Provinces here. They're a holdover from prohibition. Pot is going to be the same, mix of public and private here, some Provinces pure private and some pure public.One of the selling points of getting rid of prohibition is making it harder for kids to acquire substances and testing (sending young people in to buy) consistently shows the government run stores as being more likely to check ID.

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    21. Re:User Fees by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      No, competition brings prices down closer to costs. Costs come down with technical progress.

    22. Re:User Fees by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they have it in Sweden.

      It's called the Systembolaget. Back when I was there it was only open to 5pm. Which meant that if you had a job you need to go there at lunch time to get beer for a party. In Sweden you have
      Starköl which is > 3.5% and that needs to be sold at the 'System'.

      The System also has a decent selection of wine too. And the net effect is a horrible sort of paternalism. Unemployed/underclass people who the elite are scared of obviously have no trouble heading out to buy booze during the day. The elite send their assistants to buy wine, which is actually surprisingly cheap. However for the average person leaving work at lunch time and driving to the System is a bit of a pain, and anything but wine is of course not surprisingly cheap. In fact booze prices in Sweden are very high. I.e. the elite and their underclass pets are not bothered too much, but everyone else is kept in line.

      This is how it worked when I was there, which must be about ten years ago now. Maybe it has changed.

      Looking at it they have liberalised the rules a little bit

      https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      På söndagar har Systembolaget stängt. Åren 1982-2000 var Systembolaget stängt även på lördagarna, men är numera öppet fram till kl 13-15 alla icke röda lördagar (den exakta öppettiden varierar beroende på ortens och butikens storlek). Beslutet om lördagsstängt förknippas främst med Sveriges dåvarande socialminister Karin Söder (c).

      i.e.

      On Sundays, Systembolaget is closed. In 1982-2000, Systembolaget was closed on Saturdays, but is open until 13-15 all non-red Saturdays (the exact opening hours vary depending on the size of the place and store). The decision on Saturday closure is primarily associated with Sweden's then Social Minister Karin Söder ( c ).

      Red days are public holidays. So since 2000 the System is open from 1pm to 3pm on a Saturday. So people who work during the week can actually go there without using up their lunch hours. Well for some stores, which presumably means the ones in elite areas usually are and the ones in not so elite areas usually aren't. Then again the underclass in Sweden don't tend to drink, if you know what I mean...

      Also it seems like going on Saturday means you need to queue up

      https://jamesobrien.blog/2013/...

      Still it was a little unexpected for me to walk into Systembolaget in the hour before it was due to close (ahead of being closed all day Sunday) and see the lengthy queues. "Is this the Swedish version of the six o'clock swill?", I thought to myself.

      Land of the free!

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    23. Re:User Fees by AgentPaper · · Score: 1

      There are 17/50 states in the US that have such a system at last count, and amusingly, most of them are in the south and the mountain west (see also: accretions of religious fundamentalists not otherwise specified, and the leftovers of the temperance movement). Even states that don't have state-run ABC stores will frequently have a state monopoly on liquor - the state sells wholesale booze to a distributor, who sells it to your local package store. States like this system because it prints money for the state budget, both directly in liquor taxes and indirectly in campaign contributions from distributors (who also like the system because it guarantees them a defined, low cost, a defined, controlled market, and very low competition - there might only be three or four distributors in any given state).

      This also doesn't get into dry counties (where the local government has banned booze entirely) or so-called "moist" counties (where the local teetotalers are noisy enough to want a booze ban, but the government and/or business owners don't want to miss out on revenue, so perhaps you can buy beer and wine but not liquor, or you can order drinks in a bar but there are no package stores, or there's one package store in town but no restaurant licenses, or whatever).

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    24. Re: User Fees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they do hire cute girls). I avoid them

      What's wrong with you?

  5. Interesting notion by Pop69 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I presume he already has a couple of friends lined up to buy them ?

    1. Re:Interesting notion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Only if they don't pay in Rubles this time.

    2. Re:Interesting notion by MiniMike · · Score: 1

      My first guess was that these will be bought by some of Trumps' companies (the ones he 'divested' himself from by having his son manage them IIRC).

    3. Re: Interesting notion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Based on the so many examples of him doing this before...

      Except literally never..

  6. In other words... by Sarten-X · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In other words, government agencies are now expected to put a dollar value on their historic icons, landmark infrastructure, and carefully-controlled limited-development areas, and sell them to the highest bidders, then turn around and give that money to the federal government to cover tax cuts for the companies who just bought our society.

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    1. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Conservatism has been redefined as taking what is owned by the public and giving it to multinational corporations for kickbacks and contributions. That's literally all they care to do now. They love uneducated voters. Nuff said.

    2. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is the added-value thing as well: how will the federal agencies suppose to show increase in tax-payer value without making investments on their operations both in the short and longer term? The estimate of gained federal funds from these one-time sales might be a little bit off anyway.

    3. Re:In other words... by budsetr · · Score: 1

      You sound upset. You must not be one of the 1%.

    4. Re:In other words... by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      Why would Tennessee and portions of Alabama, Mississippi, and Kentucky, and small slices of Georgia, North Carolina, and Virginia be less qualified than the federal government to own "the transmission assets of the Tennessee Valley Authority"?

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    5. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Redefined? Nope, only purified and mainlined.

    6. Re:In other words... by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Or, more briefly and bluntly: FUCK citizens, they don't matter, only corporations and The Rich matter.
      We can't get this jackass and his cronies out of office fast enough. Now he's going to try to literally destroy the country.

    7. Re:In other words... by Cyberax · · Score: 0, Troll

      So far Trump has sold off consumer interests by undermining FCC and the CFPB. He has also sold off the Grand Escalante Monument - it's already done.

      And please note that Bush pissed away a freaking surplus and so Obama inherited the deepest deficit ever during his first year. So please sock up about corrupt politicians. You know nothing of what you're speaking.

    8. Re:In other words... by Cyberax · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the statues of heroes like Taney from Dred Scott decision. True heroes of the slavery!

    9. Re:In other words... by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Money-losing infrastructure"? Is our infrastructure supposed to be making money? Is that supposed to be the goal of our government? Are both failing if they are not profit-making machines? Is that how we are supposed to look at things now?

      Infrastructure is a government provided service for the common weal. We-the-Citizens (and most non-citizens too, while we're at it) pay for it in order to make our lives better - and to help our business prosper too, if possible. I don't care if the local highway or park aren't profitable; the lack is made up by my taxes. I do have a concern if the taxes are poorly spent or self-serving pork projects get tax money they shouldn't... but the solution isn't too de-fund infrastructure in general.

      Or are we now saying that things like Dulles Airport are unnecessary?

      This whole thing reminds me of Ajit Pai's "solution" to the US's poor internet ranking: if not enough people are getting broadband, redefine broadband until it's slow enough that the statistics don't look as bad. Meanwhile, with Trump: If maintaining government infrastructure costs more than we would like to pay, sell it all until it matches our budget. It's all about moving the goalposts - at a cost to the citizen - rather than fixing the actual problem.

    10. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "...and sell them to the highest bidders..."

      Aren't you the eternal optimist! Our infrastructure will be sold for at best a small fraction of the value in exchange for a finder's fee paid to Republicans' re-election campaigns. Trump's backers know exactly what they're doing--they did the exact same bust-out to Russia after communism fell.

    11. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that this is modded +4 insightful is frankly terrifying.

    12. Re:In other words... by Ksevio · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Gotta love Repuli-Math!

      The stimulus package went to the economy - there were lots of infrastructure projects (jobs!) that were funded from it and our economy went from being in a decline to growing (more jobs!).

      Trump on the other hand is pissing away trillions to give to his wealthy friends while CUTTING infrastructure spending.

    13. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same with the airports. Dulles and Reagan are in VA. Many major city airports are owned by their local municipalities. The hysterical posters all assume they're going to be sold to Mr. Burns.

    14. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are using those two URL's as citations for your 'facts', you might want to try again with original sources, instead of the circular references that they provide. Do you believe if you say it enough times, it becomes true?

    15. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Logic and facts don't matter, for some people, it's who's team you're on and if they're winning. Leftcoastthinker spewed 9 posts today, 18 posts on Thursday, and 35 posts last Wednesday.

      It doesn't matter how mind numbingly stupid it is to suggest that the current economic situation is the product of Trump. You wont' convince them that their team is against their best interests.

      The examples of political kickbacks to counter the "ZERO" will just be met with moved goalposts and "but the Dims! virtue signalling! derp!"

      What you won't hear is a single intelligent statement about Trump's policies.

    16. Re:In other words... by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Airports should be breaking even, such that the users are paying for all the costs, while maintaining it and providing for any needed renovation and expansion. The US tax payer should not be subsidizing your air travel.

      Roads should be breaking even with the federal $0.18/gallon gas tax so that the users are paying for all the costs while maintaining and providing for needed repaving and any needed expansion. (That is breaking down with EVs, so we may need to go with some kind of road pass tracker that bills monthly for actual miles driven if you own an EV or annual based on verified mileage from your insurer, etc. They also probably need to update the mileage fees for semi and delivery trucks since they put a lot of wear and tear on the roads as well.)

      The taxpayers already forked over for the initial construction, and forcing us all to subsidize maintenance is not something that the Federal government is efficient with.

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    17. Re:In other words... by hdyoung · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What Trump says he will do in the future is always going to be better than what Obama's real accomplishments. On paper. Maybe. If all those discredited assumptions and flat-out fabrications actually come to pass. Which they will. Totally. Trust him. Only he can fix our problems. It'll be yuge.

    18. Re:In other words... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      We never had a surplus. The national debt has increased every year since 1957. The only way for the debt to increase is to spend more than was brought in. The "surplus" was in name only, because it only dealt with some of the spending of the Federal Government. But we haven't had a surplus since 1957, back when Ike was rolling out the Interstate highway system.

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    19. Re:In other words... by Obfuscant · · Score: 0

      Infrastructure is a government provided service for the common weal.

      The definition of "infrastructure" does not include "government provided". Much of it is. Then again, a lot of people here would tell you that the cable TV, electrical, and telephone network systems are infrastructure, too. In my part of the world, none of that was done by the government.

      Or are we now saying that things like Dulles Airport are unnecessary?

      If you can't argue what was said, make it up. Who said anything like that, except you?

    20. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Interstate highway system - AKA socialism and Big Gubmint... except hold on, it worked out hugely? America depended on it? Wow. Ike was the last Republican President who campaigned on understanding the difference.

    21. Re:In other words... by tbannist · · Score: 4, Informative

      We never had a surplus. The national debt has increased every year since 1957.

      That's an interesting chart.

      The only way for the debt to increase is to spend more than was brought in.

      Actually, no. You seem to have missed the words "Includes legal tender notes, gold and silver certificates, etc."

      The debt on that page can increase when the government prints more money.

      The "surplus" was in name only, because it only dealt with some of the spending of the Federal Government. But we haven't had a surplus since 1957, back when Ike was rolling out the Interstate highway system.

      According to the Congressional Budget Office there were real surpluses in the years 1969, and 1998-2001. You'll have to go to Historical Budget Data and open some Excel files to see the actual numbers, but if you do you will see that the debt held by the public decreased in each of those years.

      However, that's neither here nor there. Quibbling over the exact numbers doesn't change the fact that Bill Clinton (and a Republican congress) either generated a surplus, or brought America as close as it has been since 1957. But in either case, George W. Bush (and a Republican congress) turned it into the largest deficits in America's history, through a combination of new spending, tax cuts and a disastrous recession.

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    22. Re:In other words... by plopez · · Score: 1

      Don't forget Ike ruthlessly capped military spending. He knew how the scumbags operated.

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    23. Re:In other words... by plopez · · Score: 1

      Very disingenuous. National debt != government debt != budget deficits. Talking about a budget surplus does not equate.

      I see what you did here.....

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    24. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fox News Opinion?
      GAWD what a douche

    25. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "If your children are starving, it is because *you*, the citizen, are not pulling yourself by the bootstraps and working ever harder. The economy is great. Best economy. There's never been an economy like this in all of history, and we owe it all to our deregulation and privatization of the grain markets.

      God has told us that only rebel terrorists would try to cow our greatest nation with violent revolution. And to that our Lord says if you traitors really don't like our policies - if you hate being richer than you've ever been before, then wait and vote in November, so you can get the divinely mandated ruler you deserve. You can rest assured the vote will be fair and balanced... unless there's some kind of foreign invasion forcing us to suspend even that show which we are totally not counting on our friends helping us with"

      -Louis XVI

    26. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bill Clinton had a dot com boom. You are correct that this was followed by terrorism into some generally useless wars.

    27. Re:In other words... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      I thought George W. Bush and Cheney and the other neo-con globalists were all good guys now in the Age of Trump? What happened here?

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    28. Re:In other words... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You mean monuments dedicated to a man who didn't want monuments dedicated to him, erected long after the subject of their rememberance as a protest against equality in law? Those ones?

    29. Re:In other words... by dave420 · · Score: 2

      What if the airport operating generates money for other parts of the economy? That way it could operate at a loss but still be a net benefit for the government's tax coffers. That's how infrastructure works - it is often directly unprofitable, but the profits to society (and the government) come later. This is how healthcare works in other countries, for example - it's understood that a sick workforce isn't going to be generating much tax revenue, and if money is spent on keeping the workforce healthy, it will be recovered through taxing their productivity. As long as less money is spent on healthcare than generated by the healthy individuals that result from it, it's earning money even if each and every hospital is in the red.

    30. Re: In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Everything that happens is Trump's fault, except for the economy, the defeat of ISIS, North Korea coming to the negotiating table, the tax windfall for all working Americans, the lowest unemployment in history, and the lowest illegal immigration rates in 40 years." says increasingly nervous Democrat.

    31. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      George W. Bush's plan was so disastrous that they used government dollars to effectively promote infomercials about the benefits of an economic theory that was never tested in the real world. Apparently giving money (in the form of tax cuts) to the wealthy businesses doesn't boost the lower classes; at least nowhere as efficiently as giving money to the lower classes. Who would have thought? Instead it pushed money into the owners of the businesses by inflating their stock prices.

      Also, let's not forget the "vote for me and I'll bribe you as soon as I get in office with borrowed Chinese dollars!" That's US politics "fiscal conservatism", which is only called so because people can't figure out that the history of the GOP has nothing to do with its practices in the last 20 years. Is it conservative to fund a private business by building a public bit of infrastructure and then giving away a guaranteed profit to a private party? Hell no, that's cronyism, where the "in group" gets to buy the profitable bits of the government. Once the government is out of profit centers, what do you thing will happen to your taxes?

    32. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that the justification for the first W Bush tax cuts was because there was a surplus and "the public was overcharged."

    33. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roads should be breaking even with the federal $0.18/gallon gas tax so that the users are paying for all the costs while maintaining and providing for needed repaving and any needed expansion.

      Except it is not so easy to factor in who actually benefits (uses) and how much. Even if you never use the road, you still benefit from the fact that it is there so that, say, an ambulance, could reach your house quickly, if needed.

      An even better example are schools - EVERYONE benefits from an educated populace (well, except the likes of Trump perhaps) - so why would only the people 'using' it, have to shoulder the cost?

    34. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well said, thank you. Nice to see someone who actually did research on this extremely basic thing.

      I wish more republicans paid attention to the massive deficits their party is making. We need fiscally responsible republicans.

    35. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what we were sold decades ago. Nowadays, the maintenance costs are just ignored, assumed to be covered by ever increasing tax dollars.
      Break even or break away.

    36. Re:In other words... by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      I'm fine with passing ownership of local assets to local jurisdiction... it's the option of private purchase that worries me, combined with expecting states to pay 4:1 to match what the federal side "invests".

      I'm cynical enough to expect that an asset will start to go to a state, and as they start estimating the transfer costs, the state realizes they can't afford to buy it... but they've already paid for a lot of the estimation work, and probably even started preparing to move. Then a private enterprise comes in and "helps" the state by buying the asset instead, probably in exchange for extremely low taxes. It's spun as a winning move all around: The federal government reduced its holdings, the state got out of a deal it couldn't afford, and the private company is saving or creating jobs by investing in the local infrastructure.

      That spin lasts just long enough for the current politicians to leave office, by which time the federal government has lost control of the assets it built, the state is still broke, and the private company is pulling in all the revenue from the facility. Once the contract obligations expire, the private company can then shut down and sell off the government-built assets in a liquidation.

      The scenario is a standard corporate raid with asset stripping, but with the government as the target.

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    37. Re:In other words... by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Airports should be breaking even, such that the users are paying for all the costs, while maintaining it and providing for any needed renovation and expansion. The US tax payer should not be subsidizing your air travel.

      The US tax payer is not subsidizing air travel. They're boosting the economy in general via a piece of infrastructure. A city without an airport is worse off economically than a similar city with an airport. The airport itself loses money, but that loss is offset by the additional taxes collected due to the additional economic activity.

      Roads should be breaking even with the federal $0.18/gallon gas tax so that the users are paying for all the costs while maintaining and providing for needed repaving and any needed expansion

      Because non-drivers do not receive any goods or services that travel via those roads....oh wait it turns out they do. So non-drivers do derive a direct benefit from those roads despite not using them.

      The taxpayers already forked over for the initial construction, and forcing us all to subsidize maintenance is not something that the Federal government is efficient with

      Citation Required.

    38. Re:In other words... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      We never had a surplus. The national debt has increased every year since 1957.

      That's an interesting chart.

      Thank you! Many people don't look at the actual data of our national bank balance, so to speak...

      Actually, no. You seem to have missed the words "Includes legal tender notes, gold and silver certificates, etc."

      The debt on that page can increase when the government prints more money.

      Only if that money is put into circulation, either in an attempt to stimulate the economy (Government literally giving money away via zero interest loans), or spent (Government buying goods and services). Print all you want, until it's handed over it's not debt.

      An analogy would be that you have $10,000 in your bank account. If you write a $1,000,000 check, you are NOT overdrawn until you hand that check over to someone else. Then that printed money - written check - has become an actual liability that you must honor.

      According to the Congressional Budget Office there were real surpluses in the years 1969, and 1998-2001.

      No, according to the CBO, there were real BUDGET surpluses, which only counts the on-budget spending. For example, the Federal Government does not consider spending on Social Security, the US Postal Service, Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae, and several other large ticket items as "on budget". So you can keep the rest of spending just under budget, but blow trillions on these via borrowing - and still be, per the CBO, under budget and in surplus.

      This would be akin to you having a $10,000/month take-home pay. You spend $9,000 per month on food, utilities, travel, clothing. You spend $3,000 per month on housing, and you spend $2,000 per month on your IRA/401K. Your total spending is $14,000 - with only $10,000 income. BUT, because you consider housing and your IRA/401K not "on budget", you actually ran a surplus! Never mind that your actual net worth dropped by $4,000 (you accumulated $4,000 of debt - excess spending relative to income). You were below your budget on the other things you want to put into your budget, so you're all good.

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    39. Re:In other words... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      How is the Federal national debt not "Government debt"? And how do you build up debt without spending more than you have?

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    40. Re:In other words... by tbannist · · Score: 1

      No, according to the CBO, there were real BUDGET surpluses, which only counts the on-budget spending. For example, the Federal Government does not consider spending on Social Security, the US Postal Service, Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae [thebalance.com], and several other large ticket items as "on budget". So you can keep the rest of spending just under budget, but blow trillions on these via borrowing - and still be, per the CBO, under budget and in surplus.

      Well that's certainly not right. There's a column for the US Postal Service, and another for Social Security in the chart. Now Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae aren't listed, but then they weren't taken over until 2008, so they wouldn't have been listed for any of the years that I cited, anyway.

      This would be akin to you having a $10,000/month take-home pay. You spend $9,000 per month on food, utilities, travel, clothing. You spend $3,000 per month on housing, and you spend $2,000 per month on your IRA/401K. Your total spending is $14,000 - with only $10,000 income. BUT, because you consider housing and your IRA/401K not "on budget", you actually ran a surplus! Never mind that your actual net worth dropped by $4,000 (you accumulated $4,000 of debt - excess spending relative to income). You were below your budget on the other things you want to put into your budget, so you're all good.

      Except that doesn't appear to be what has happened. All the items you listed were either accounted for, or in the case of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac not run by the federal government at the time. As an aside, in your scenario, my net worth would only drop by $2000. Assuming that I borrowed money to bridge the gap, I would have incurred $4000 in debt, but also acquired $2000 in assets.

      Another interesting thing to note is that the difference between Treasury Direct's Debt numbers and the Congressional Budget Office debt numbers is actually really big. For 1998, the CBO says the debt held by the public is ~$3,721.1 billion, and Treasure Direct says ~$5,526.1 billion in outstanding debt. That's a difference of ~1.8 trillion. According to the Federal Reserve there was about $492.2 billion in currency in 1998, which leaves an unexplained 1,312.8 billion discrepancy between the numbers.

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    41. Re:In other words... by plopez · · Score: 1

      Government debt == https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      National debt == https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      and budget surplus is exactly that. spending less than your receipts. There was a budget surplus in the 90's. Then it disappeared into tax cuts for the rich in a time of war. I don't understand how you cannot think something is wrong with that.

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    42. Re:In other words... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      So, how do you add to your debt when you run a surplus? Simple question. If you can answer that with anything other than "you can't", then you've figured out how they can increase the national debt (which the US Treasury shows at Treasury Direct) while running a surplus.

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    43. Re:In other words... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Aha! So it's spending minus receipts! Now what if you put much of that spending "off record", so it doesn't count? Then you end up with a surplus... But is it really? The debt keeps increasing (and the debt listed by the Treasury Department is all debt that must be paid, per US Government promises - not future promises, but money already spent and financed by issuing bonds) even though we were supposedly spending less than we brought in. It's because of putting a lot of spending off budget so there is no accounting for that spend. But money WAS spent...

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    44. Re:In other words... by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      Governments coming together to form an authority to handle a collective need is not privatization. In fact, Dulles and National are both operated by just such a commission: The Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority, which was organized by DC, Virginia, and Maryland.

    45. Re:In other words... by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      Chantilly isn't going to buy Dulles. Arlington isn't going to buy National. Virginia isn't going to buy either. Why does the administration want to sell in the first place? What advantage is there to the public to sell off these public assets?

    46. Re:In other words... by tbannist · · Score: 1

      So, how do you add to your debt when you run a surplus? Simple question. If you can answer that with anything other than "you can't", then you've figured out how they can increase the national debt (which the US Treasury shows at Treasury Direct) while running a surplus.

      I did some more research, and the discrepancy appears to be government held debt. The CBO doesn't count bonds issued by the government and held by the government, while the Treasury does. Thus the increase of $113 billion in debt in the Treasury numbers between 1997 and 1998 is from $34.2 billion in additional cash issued (according to the Federal Reserve numbers) and the rest, $69 billion, is bonds issued to the Medicare and Social Security Trust Funds and the Federal Financing Bank.

      So to go back to your example above, if I promise myself that I'm going to go to a Movie Theatre and see the final Star Wars movie when it comes out, let's say it's probably going to cost me $20. The question is whether that's a debt incurred today. The Treasury says yes because I promised to spend something, and the CBO says no because I haven't spent anything yet.

      Also as to how I can increase my debt when I'm running a surplus, that's easy. I give you an I-owe-you $5 promissory note and collect $5 from you. My debt has increased and I'm running a $5 surplus.

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    47. Re:In other words... by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that they are talking about cash flow (your $5 surplus), and I'm talking about debt (your $5 increase in debt). You used an increase in debt to create the surplus. I guess that's like using your credit card to pay your mortgage - yes, it gives you more "cash today" to use, but it increases your debt - and it happened simply because you spent more (mortgage) than you have. Why else would you take on debt, unless you believe you can make more in the long run?

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    48. Re:In other words... by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Look up the meaning of the word subsidize. You literally just admitted that US tax payers do subsidize the airports...

      Buying or receiving goods that arrive by roadway does not mean you are benefiting. The business who sold you those goods is benefiting, and they should be paying for that benefit and charging you an increase that reflects fair payment for the use of those roads in your delivery. If they are using EVs or alternative fuel vehicles (like Propane) to make deliveries, they are not paying at all for maintenance and upkeep of the roads they are using...

      If you think that the federal government is more efficient at spending money than private business (or better at customer service) I would like to sell you a bridge in Brooklyn...

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    49. Re:In other words... by tbannist · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that they are talking about cash flow (your $5 surplus), and I'm talking about debt (your $5 increase in debt). You used an increase in debt to create the surplus. I guess that's like using your credit card to pay your mortgage - yes, it gives you more "cash today" to use, but it increases your debt - and it happened simply because you spent more (mortgage) than you have. Why else would you take on debt, unless you believe you can make more in the long run?

      Yes, most people only take on debt so they can pay for a large expense, be it medical (in the United States), a car, or a house. Also, they sometimes take on short term debt if they think they will be able to recover from a temporary deficit (because of a lost job, for example, where it's cheaper to finance a short term debt than it is to sell a house and move). There are also a lot people who can't balance a budget and don't know how to handle a credit card, but that's a completely different topic...

      In my fictitious example, it doesn't matter why I borrowed $5 from you, as long as I don't actually spend enough money to put me in a deficit position. For example, if I borrowed $5 from you to buy some lunch because I forgot my wallet, I could make a net $20 profit from working the day and I am running a surplus and increased my debt. The next day I pay you back $6, and my net profit from yesterday has gone down to $19, but I still ran a surplus for the previous day and my debt increased (temporarily).

      In the government's case, it is required to issue debt to itself for the purposes of investing the surplus money from the Social Security and Medicare funds. It has to issue the debt, because Social Security is only allowed, by law, to buy special government bonds. By law, the Social Security fund can not invest in private equity, or even publicly issued government bonds.

      Let me first say that the U.S. Government is weird, but here's the convoluted analogy to what's actually going on. Let's say you have a bank account that you are supposed to be saving money in, but you can't actually save any money into it because you're not allowed to (the bank is weird). So instead you keep track of all the money that you wanted to put in there, even though that went into your regular bank account instead. You are making enough money to cover all your living costs and even have enough to pay off a little of your debt after all expenses are paid. However, your total debt (Treasury) is increasing because of the money you are supposed to be paying into your retirement account, while your actual debt held by other people (CBO) is decreasing because you paid off some of the money you owe to other people (mortgage, credit cards, whatever). Most people would count that as running a surplus even though you may owe yourself more money than you used to.

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    50. Re:In other words... by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Virtually everything run by business not only runs at a profit but is a net benefit for tax coffers and the public at large (from smart phone companies to your local gym). Why should the government be involved in any of those activities when private business gives us a more economical system with more choices and better quality/customer service?

      The airports and airline system along with the federal freeway system were jump started after the end of WW2 for a number of reasons, but there is no justification for not privatizing most or all of it (still with the proper regulation to ensure competition, quality and low prices for the consumer).

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    51. Re:In other words... by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      You mean monuments dedicated to a man who didn't want monuments dedicated to him, erected long after the subject of their rememberance as a protest against equality in law? Those ones?

      Citations please, specifically that the monuments torn down by the alt left fascists: http://nymag.com/daily/intelli... were all erected as remembrances to protest equality in law.

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    52. Re:In other words... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a common tactic. It's the same method used to calculate how many billions of people have been brought out of poverty by capitalism: regardless of it's actual merit, the number is achieved by redefining what "poverty" is. Lower it down to living off of a dollar a day and you suddenly "bring billions out of poverty" without actually having to do anything.

      The truly sad part is how effective it is. Critical thinking is on the decline in the US.

    53. Re:In other words... by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      Look up the meaning of the word subsidize. You literally just admitted that US tax payers do subsidize the airports...

      Look up the meaning of vernacular. In the common usage, subsidizing something generally requires the government to lose money.

      They spend money on the airport, and then make that money back on the hotel, restaurant and sales taxes due to having an airport. So in the end, the government makes money.

      Is every department in your company subsidized by the sales department? Because it's only sales that actually brings money in. Most people would not consider that a subsidy.

      Buying or receiving goods that arrive by roadway does not mean you are benefiting.

      You really didn't think about that much, did you? So, how often do you buy a good or service that does not benefit you in some way?

      If they are using EVs or alternative fuel vehicles (like Propane) to make deliveries, they are not paying at all for maintenance and upkeep of the roads they are using

      Nope! There's taxes besides gas taxes. And the federal (and most state's) highway funds have been given money from those taxes, because politicians are so terrified of the numbers on the gas station sign going up that they won't raise gas taxes. And this has been the case for decades, so it's not EV or alternative fuels causing the problem.

      If you think that the federal government is more efficient at spending money than private business (or better at customer service) I would like to sell you a bridge in Brooklyn...

      You've never seriously dealt with any large corporation, have you? Governments get audited. Big companies blow money on zamboni parties when the CEO feels like it.

    54. Re:In other words... by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 0

      He said he would unleash the economy, cut taxes, and enforce the laws on the books. Those have already happened.

      Time will tell, but when the president is trying to do good (like rebuilding neglected infrastructure) while not sinking us further into debt by leveraging the private sector investment, every citizen should give him the benefit of the doubt. History will be the judge, but based on the last year of history, Obama was a dirty Chicago politician buffoon with no clue how economics worked who racked up 8 trillion in debt and tanked the economy for 8 years. That is just reality. Obama tried to blame Bush for all his failures, but I doubt history will be so kind.

      Trump so far has revitalized the economy, and is rapidly adding jobs. We will see where we are after 7 more years, but I suspect that it will be a stark contrast, with Trump being revealed as a conservative populist who loves his country and is trying to do right by it's citizens and the Dim politicians being criminals and bold face liars. You know, Democrats, the party of slavery, Jim Crow, massive corruption, and now putting illegal aliens "rights" ahead of US citizens safety and wages towards Democrat political future power.

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    55. Re:In other words... by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Your statement is predicated on the false dichotomy that the airport can only exist if the government subsidizes it. There is another option, that is it is run for profit by a private company, just like everything else, and the state still collects all those taxes from the hotel, restaurant and sales taxes created by having an airport.

      Your personal attacks reveal your weak position, nothing more or less.

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  7. We've got Spirit, yes we do... by TexasDiaz · · Score: 2

    While the document doesn't specifically mention projects that "lift the American spirit," we all know that there's a certain parade that a certain country also did that a certain someone thinks will lift everyone's spirits in just the right way. You know that's what he wants, and this is the perfect way to pay for it. I mean, you've got to fix the road first before you can have a parade, right?

    1. Re:We've got Spirit, yes we do... by burtosis · · Score: 1

      Ahh yes, Trump was inspired by a Bastille day parade he saw in France. I say, the man has earned it, let's give President Trump the celebration he derserves in the true spirit of Bastille day. Let's really make it authentic, get the townsfolk riled up, and storm our way to MAGA. He really is a stable genius.

    2. Re:We've got Spirit, yes we do... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      As stable as Kim Jong-Un.

    3. Re:We've got Spirit, yes we do... by burtosis · · Score: 1

      Kim is more stable, I don't think Kim has wanted a celebration of murdering the kleptocrats in power for obvious reasons.

  8. Re:But that's exactly what we've already found out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oh sheesh, cannot believe that you can cut and paste that garbage without holding your nose

  9. Can't wait ... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

    ... for the Comcast Ronald Regan Washington National Airport.

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    1. Re:Can't wait ... by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

      What if the highest bidder is Emirates (airline) or Tata?

    2. Re:Can't wait ... by sconeu · · Score: 1

      If it was Tata, that would be Bodacious!

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    3. Re:Can't wait ... by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure they would just call it Comcast Airport. The new signs would be cheaper.

    4. Re:Can't wait ... by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      Ronald Reagan's Tata National Airport?

    5. Re:Can't wait ... by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 0

      Very unlikely that Comcast (a subsidiary cable company) would or even could buy an airport.

      Probably more like the JP Morgan Regan Airport, but why would you care if the facilities are in great shape, the taxpayers are no longer footing the bill for a net loss each year or on the hook for billions in renovation and modernization, and you only pay an extra $20 on your ticket and you get great customer service? That is a net positive all the way around, except, probably for the public sector unions.

      Private industry does a great job as long as there is competition. It only sucks when, like the government, it has a monopoly (like Comcast).

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    6. Re:Can't wait ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if it's Trump?

    7. Re:Can't wait ... by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Airports are generally even more of a natural monopoly then internet. They take up a lot of land, usually prime land that is in short supply in many cities, and cost a fuck of a lot to build from scratch.
      You are right that they (international, small regional can be left to the locals to decide) should have minimal or no subsidies, with the users paying for the upkeep and upgrades. Whether a private bureaucracy mostly run by people interested in a quick profit before they cash out is the best way is arguable.
      Here the government turned over the running of them while maintaining ownership and therefore still having a say and presumably making it easy to regulate. The partnership seems to be working well with the airport often voted best in N. America and in the top 10 worldwide. The airport authority has also expanded to managing various other airports including LaGuardia's terminal B.

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    8. Re:Can't wait ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ronald Reagan's Tata National Airport?

      No, Nancy Reagan's Tata National Airport would be far more appropriate. They could decorate the place with pink ribbons and probably collect a ton of donations for charity.

    9. Re:Can't wait ... by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      You are overlooking that ever square inch of soil within the borders of the US is still subject to Federal and state laws. Thus, the Fed has no reason to own airports to "have a say" in how they are run. All they have to do is pass a law and the airport operators must comply or go to jail, no financial strings required, just like every other citizen and business run in the US.

      We have yet to see the implementation, but I fully expect that since the goal is revitalization and rebuilding, that within the contract to sell the airports will be maintenance and expansion requirements, so the new owners will not be able to "turn a quick profit and cash out."

      You are automatically ascribing incompetence and ill intent where neither has yet been evidenced.

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  10. Accounting for resources is important?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who knew that Government needs to account for resources. What a concept!

    I always thought the world turned solely on the fervor with which one worships the government (forget the values).

    1. Re:Accounting for resources is important?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't seriously think the environment has 25 percent less challenges in 2018, and that Facebook needed a 50% tax cut - you're not that dumb, right? I'm asking.

      Government = people + the stuff. If you put a criminal in as "the people" and the stuff is allowed to be sold off to multinational corporations, "the people" have been robbed. This is Republicanism. This is the 3rd or 4th time.

  11. Just Borrow More Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Amazing how we can add trillions to the deficit, and then act like gifting federal assets to cronies in Washington as a "sale" will somehow save money.

  12. This has been known for months by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    his "Infrastructure Plan" is to give away vast amounts of infrastructure so the folks that helped elect him can profit from it (after the public paid to build it). Privatize the profits, socialize the losses. The frustrating thing is that it's going to take decades to undo the damage this crap causes. Hopefully enough opposition gets into Congress to stop him from selling off the interstate roads. I'm not looking forward to $20 in tolls just to get to work every morning, but I can guarantee you somebody is.

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    1. Re:This has been known for months by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except these buildings and projects are 30 plus years old on a 40-50y planned life, which the government has not been even doing the minimum maintenance on in many cases while continuously losing money.

      There are no losses being socialized, rather Trump is using the private sector profit motivation: you know, the thing that lets you get good products like your smartphone and good customer service, at least where there is competition and where you have the right to sue if you have an unresolved issue (no, you can't sue the federal government in nearly all cases).

      Private business is going to sink billions much more efficiently to renovate, modernize and run, and then the people who actually use those services are going to pay for it, not the entire US tax base, which is both fair and reasonable. At the end of the day we will get some money back to the US tax payer for infrastructure with less than 10 years remaining (before major renovations are required) and going forward the customers who use the facilities will pay for their maintenance and upkeep. Just like any other pay to use piece of property...

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    2. Re:This has been known for months by Patent+Lover · · Score: 3, Insightful

      National Airport opened in 1941 and is currently expanding. It doesn't need a private business to "sink billions" into it.

    3. Re:This has been known for months by mesterha · · Score: 2

      going forward the customers who use the facilities will pay for their maintenance and upkeep. Just like any other pay to use piece of property

      Don't forget the profit. Since much of this infrastructure will have monopoly level protection, they can charge what the market will bear without real competition. It's a massive giveaway. A real market needs competition not collusion.

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    4. Re:This has been known for months by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 0

      I hate to have to say it, but everyone that gives a damn needs to register as Democrat, or at least vote the extremist Right out of office in favor of more moderate Conservatives, and we need to convince fence-sitters (i.e. Independents, like I used to be until a few months ago) to get off the fence and pick a side. The entire socio-political balance of the country is skewed and needs to be brought back towards the center.

    5. Re:This has been known for months by vix86 · · Score: 1

      going to take decades to undo the damage this crap causes.

      I'd argue it'll never get undone. All of these privatization changes aren't going to get rolled back because they'll be way too expensive to do so. It's easy to sell off public things, hard to maintain, and impossible to buy back. Let's say DC sells off the airports or some of the Interstates to private companies. Companies will bump prices or add tolls in order to cover the costs of fixing up these deteriorating items. Now lets say that 20 years from now the public is frustrated with how the private industry has handled the management of this or how they've nickle-and-dimed them for using it to the point that they want the government to take control again. Now the government has to buy the resource back and they'll have to negotiate the price which is going to be much more expensive than what the government sold it for, which will be it's own barrier for actually being accomplished. In this scenario, the most likely outcome is that the resources remain private but the government simply regulates in order to fix complaints that people have; the government would far rather have some of these things be other peoples problems.

    6. Re:This has been known for months by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

      "at least where there is competition"

      Airports and highways are known for their high level of competition.

    7. Re:This has been known for months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Private business is going to sink billions much more efficiently to renovate, modernize and run

      Just like they did in Flint, MI when the water supply was privatized?

      Private business will do everything they can to take as much profit as they can while performing the bare minimum maintenance that they think will allow them to avoid lawsuits. They don't give a shit if the infrastructure completely crumbles because they're walking away with huge profits that they can use to buy something else to strip all the value out of.

    8. Re:This has been known for months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or perhaps instead of constantly voting for the "lesser" of two evils more people should break out of the sham that is the two party system and register and vote Independent. Only way you'll see real change ever.

    9. Re:This has been known for months by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      There are 3 major Washington DC airports, so it seems like they could have reasonable competition...

      Please cite which roads Trump is proposing to sell off, because I am not seeing it.

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    10. Re:This has been known for months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except these buildings and projects are 30 plus years old on a 40-50y planned life, which the government has not been even doing the minimum maintenance on in many cases while continuously losing money.

      So, let's give it to private industry: the kings of not even doing the minimum maintenance and striving to turn a buck at any cost. God knows that if the government continuously loses money, just handing it over to private interests will suddenly turn that around. It couldn't just be that the government took up the cause because there's no reasonable way to provide the service to a broad number of people and the actual gains are on the scale of a larger economy which translates to a larger tax base.

      There are no losses being socialized, rather Trump is using the private sector profit motivation: you know, the thing that lets you get good products like your smartphone and good customer service, at least where there is competition and where you have the right to sue if you have an unresolved issue (no, you can't sue the federal government in nearly all cases).

      If the government spends $100 billion on something that's worth $50 billion and sells it for $30 billion, then there's a social loss. Hell, most the time the stated value is merely what the sellers think they can get for it precisely because all the indirect benefit isn't qualified in the selling price. Look at stock prices ROI to get some idea on that, both as a failure of private industry capturing that idea and at least some notion of its existence. Oh, and as for suing, that's just ludicrous. I'm going to sue the toll road company because their rates are something I, at $15/hour, can't afford? With what money? Class-action? Over what claim?

      Private business is going to sink billions much more efficiently to renovate, modernize and run, and then the people who actually use those services are going to pay for it, not the entire US tax base, which is both fair and reasonable.

      I don't care how efficiently you think they're going to spend their money, they're not going to do it except in the scope of trying to make money and not in providing a better or more economic service to their customers. Why do you think that business routinely spends so much on advertising? Or are you delusional enough to think psychological manipulations in advertising will override the inferior quality of the expense paid on using services? That's where the "fair and reasonable" breaks down. Private enterprise is rarely 200-300% more efficient as government, more inclined to do below minimal maintenance, more inclined to increase service rates to cover any shortfalls in expected profits, and spend yet more money on advertising to try to compensate.

      At the end of the day we will get some money back to the US tax payer for infrastructure with less than 10 years remaining (before major renovations are required) and going forward the customers who use the facilities will pay for their maintenance and upkeep. Just like any other pay to use piece of property.

      No. This isn't an argument that the infrastructure isn't needed or requires major renovation or that we could privatize a lot of the renovation to save costs. This is an argument that a small minority of people actually use the infrastructure, dispersing the cost across the whole tax base is unfair, and there's no economic benefit to it. The mentality of this is beyond asinine as others have pointed out, it applies just as well to the interstate system and is a large part of the economic engine that is America.

      One can't simply sell off parts when they're getting old and just pretend things will keep working as expected. This would be equivalent to arguing that the military is getting out of date and we should just privatize it and hire up mercenaries as we see fit. Do you not understand what subverting fundamental aspects of our cou

    11. Re:This has been known for months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except these buildings and projects are 30 plus years old on a 40-50y planned life, which the government has not been even doing the minimum maintenance on in many cases while continuously losing money.

      IAD
      http://www.flydulles.com/iad/main-terminal-expansion-and-renovation

      DCA
      http://www.mwaa.com/business/terminal-renovation-reagan-national

      What the hell are you talking about?

    12. Re:This has been known for months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think Trump wants to sell off the roads as a previous post suggested; he wants to get private entities to invest in rebuilding roads and bridges. Since they'll expect a return on their investments, the roads and bridges will be tolled and the investors will keep some or all of the toll revenue. I can see this working in areas with high population and traffic densities, but it's not obvious how it will work in other areas.

    13. Re:This has been known for months by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      lets you get good products like your smartphone and good customer service, at least where there is competition and where you have the right to sue if you have an unresolved issue

      When I think of good products and good customer service, I naturally think of airlines!

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    14. Re:This has been known for months by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Driving an interstate freeway in California should be the same as driving one in Iowa. Same as mailing a letter in one state is the same as another, and covers ***all*** areas of country. Companies will simply abandon those places that don't generate enough toll to keep them open except pay $20 for a road you already paid for in taxes.

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    15. Re:This has been known for months by dryeo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If the airports are operating at capacity, there won't be much competition, same if they're too spread out.
      Roads and bridges would probably be private/public partnerships. Private business gets its loans guaranteed by the government as well as guaranteed income. Looks good on paper, the government doesn't actually borrow money or raise taxes and the business gets a guaranteed profit.
      In reality, it turns out that people avoid tolls if they can and the government still has to subsidize the bridge to make up for the shortfall and the next election, the other party runs on a platform of eliminating the tolls, wins and has to pay off the bridge and the private company. Taxpayers lose.

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    16. Re:This has been known for months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the people who actually use those services are going to pay for it, not the entire US tax base,

      I like your thinking. The next logical step is to bill taxpayers and corporations to pay for defense spending proportional to their net worth.

    17. Re:This has been known for months by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      I already tried that. What it got me was having to vote for Jill Stein, because I couldn't in good conscience vote for Hillary Clinton, and I'd rather have shoved a six-inch stiletto into my left eye socket than vote for Trump. No, we need people to get off the damn fence and TAKE A SIDE -- preferably NOT REPUBLICAN. Yes, kids, it's come to this.

    18. Re:This has been known for months by Hodr · · Score: 1

      Unless they sell both of those Airports to the same company that owns BWI, there will be competition.

    19. Re:This has been known for months by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      While I agree in principle, our electoral system is set up such that it's nearly impossible for someone not belonging to one of the two evil parties to win an election. We need electoral reform like ranked choice ballots, or proportional representation if that's ever going to happen. Otherwise, we're stuck with the choice of voting for the lesser evil, or enabling the greater evil.

    20. Re:This has been known for months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We take the average cost of settlement * number of cases. If the cost is less than a recall, we don't do the recall (paraphrased)

    21. Re:This has been known for months by mesterha · · Score: 1

      Competition definitely needs to be part of the decision making process. However, I'm pessimistic there would much competition in the current proposals. For example, for a bridge there might be no realistic alternative. Even when alternatives exist there is little incentive to keep prices down when the sum of the demand is comparable to the sum of the capacity and there are significant barriers to entry to create new capacity. It's not like one company can lower their price and take all the traffic; they would get overloaded. It's more likely the companies would optimize their collective profits by matching price increases creating implicit but legal collusion. Corporations hate real competition.

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    22. Re:This has been known for months by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      As you clearly indicate, no solution in this imperfect world is perfect, and politics can certainly jump in to screw things up. Do you have a better solution to the massive spending needed after 16 years plus of neglect? Bush at least had the excuse of inheriting a recession from Clinton (just like Obama did from Bush) and then he had to deal with a $3 trillion loss from 9-11 and fight two wars.

      Obama inherited a recession from Bush too, but with a silver bullet to counteract it (Federal purchase and renting back of defaulted sub prime homes that would have netted the Federal government a net profit in 8 years and would have stabilized the sub prime collapse which is what was causing the recession to begin with). However, Obama shit canned the solution and instead ineffectually dropped around a trillion dollars for infrastructure "shovel ready" jobs that amounted to a payoff of his political supporters, just like a good Chicago politician.

      http://www.foxnews.com/opinion...
      https://www.ocregister.com/201...

      Here, we have Trump trying to be responsible with our tax dollars and actually looking to revitalize our infrastructure. That revitalization is not going to be free, but having the actual users pay for it is a damn sight better than having the US taxpayer foot the bill, considering we are another 8 TRILLION dollars in the hole thanks to the Obama administration.

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    23. Re:This has been known for months by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      lets you get good products like your smartphone and good customer service, at least where there is competition and where you have the right to sue if you have an unresolved issue

      When I think of good products and good customer service, I naturally think of airlines!

      It still exists, but you have to pay for it. If you fly bargain basement economy, then you get what you pay for, which is as low a price as the airline can manage. Try flying first class if you want customer service.

      It is almost comical how our society now takes for granted being able to buy a round trip ticket for under $100, jump on a plane and be hurtled to your destination at 400mph, arrive safely, do business and then take the return flight that evening. Our grandparents spent 3 months salary to take a flight and this kind of travel was unimaginable by our great grandparents.

      https://www.theatlantic.com/bu...

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    24. Re:This has been known for months by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I'm not an American but from the outside looking in, it looks like your whole system needs overhauling, especially the corruption that seems to pervade American politics. Both teams seem more interested in pleasing their donors then their constituents.

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    25. Re:This has been known for months by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Make America Oligarchic Again.

      Doesn't have the same ring to it, but it worked great for the Russian economy.

  13. Don't sell infrastructure by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead, of selling critical infrastructure to businesses, make sure the bidding process to build & maintain those things is based on solid business foundations. There's too much crony-ism in the bidding process, too much bias toward existing contractors regardless of performance.

    1. Re:Don't sell infrastructure by jittles · · Score: 1

      Instead, of selling critical infrastructure to businesses, make sure the bidding process to build & maintain those things is based on solid business foundations. There's too much crony-ism in the bidding process, too much bias toward existing contractors regardless of performance.

      This is the epitome of cronyism. Are you kidding me? Why give out lucrative contracts to maintain the infrastructure when you can give away billions in assets for pennies on the dollar and t he new asset holder can then turn that critical infrastructure into a goose that lays a golden egg.

    2. Re:Don't sell infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Why give out lucrative contracts to maintain the infrastructure when you can give away billions in assets for pennies on the dollar and t he new asset holder can then turn that critical infrastructure into a goose that lays a golden egg."

      And then the government taxes the crap out of the asset holder which brings in MORE money for the government. What part are you missing here?

    3. Re:Don't sell infrastructure by burtosis · · Score: 1

      There's too much crony-ism in the bidding process, too much bias toward existing contractors regardless of performance.

      That's why they usually avoid this by single bid contracts to brand new companies.

    4. Re:Don't sell infrastructure by burtosis · · Score: 1

      The part where the citizens get the value back for the stolen asset. Maybe we can just use eminent domain on your house for no reason, short you 30% on the cost, then kick your ass to the curb. The government raises the property tax and makes even more money. If you don't know what's missing, go home.

    5. Re:Don't sell infrastructure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's it. Turn in your comma key.

    6. Re:Don't sell infrastructure by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Re-reading my comment, I must apologize, profusely, for my over, use of, the, comma.

      I find it hilarious it was important enough for you to comment on.

    7. Re:Don't sell infrastructure by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I'm running for Maryland's 7th district because I know how to fix poverty and have fiscally-responsible tax policies in general.

      I could use some funding, tbh; but if you want someone who can fix the mess that is government program bidding, donate to Allison Galbraith. Her day job is defense program management and she's quite well-aware of how to bring government contract costs down. Fixing the bidding rules is part of that, and of course her entire life right now (well, besides the campaign) revolves around the specific details of that.

      It's going to take a lot of us to get the fiscals back in order after all this; they were messed up to begin with.

  14. kidding me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So his way of paying for it is by forcing the states to match him at least 4:1?

    1. Re:kidding me... by magarity · · Score: 3, Informative

      So his way of paying for it is by forcing the states to match him at least 4:1?

      This works incredibly well. For example, the federal Department of Education doles out a minuscule fraction compared to state and local spending but every school district fights tooth and nail and adopts basically whatever testing procedures, etc, the feds dictate for those incremental funds.

  15. Re:But that's exactly what we've already found out by Comrade+Ogilvy · · Score: 1

    If Ayn Rand were here today, even she would say you were an idiot.

  16. Republicrats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The motto of the Republicrats:

    Privatize the Profits!
    Socialize the losses!

    Socialism is bad! Unless we say it's good , for the public good that is, where it's good that the public takes the losses.

    1. Re:Republicrats by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      You act like this is new. How else did so many at the upper levels of Government become fabulously wealthy, on Government paychecks, if not for internal payoffs? Bill Clinton went from ~$700,000 to $100,000,000+ in 10 short years. Chellie Pingree went from $12,000 to $40,000,000 in just 5 years, and Nancy Pelosi went from under $1,000,000 to $200,000,000+ in 30 years. It seems that the normal modus operandi to this point has been to privatize the profits for those in "social service" roles, and privatize the losses - as the average private citizen has to pick up the losses via higher taxation.

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  17. Don't worry! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Democrats have been doing that too.

    Go look at Jerry Brown, while he's fixed a few things that previous paid-for politicians fucked up, he's also been busy helping make real estate available for cronies/the highest bidder, including a few eminent domain jobs (This has been going on for years in Sacramento via the Mayor's office and other places as well.)

    America is due for a top to bottom purge. And if the ballot boxes and voting consituents aren't working, there are other boxes available. Including the cell box if you can convince the DA, cops, and judges, all likely paid for by them, to lock them up.

    1. Re:Don't worry! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Brown is guilty of some things and we can fully go into that, but using it as an 1:1 equivocation with this Trump budget is nutter sauce spilled down your front, broham.
      If you're going to make an equivocation between Jerry Brown and the sellout machine that is this current GOP, you need to put your stuff up and juxtapose already.
      "he's also been busy helping make real estate available for cronies" Specifically what are you trying to compare to this massive Federal Govt sellout? Spit it out.

    2. Re:Don't worry! by Hognoxious · · Score: 0

      Democrats have been doing that too.

      Well if they don't, people like you call them communists!

      Except you pronounce it "cawmanusts".

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  18. Trumps red hole by bigtreeman · · Score: 1, Insightful

    There's a red hole in the budget caused by reducing corporate taxes, allowing companies to screw the government.
    And it's really sore.

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    1. Re:Trumps red hole by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      No one seems to care about the deficit anymore. And that is true both on the left and on the right.

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    2. Re:Trumps red hole by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      Shields and Brooks on PBS Newshour said only the minority party complains about deficits. When they are majority party, deficits don't matter.

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    3. Re:Trumps red hole by jeff4747 · · Score: 1

      No, Republicans will care deeply about the deficit when Democrats are in power. Republicans also care deeply about the deficit when discussing cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

      Republicans do not give a shit about the deficit when discussing tax cuts or defense spending.

      That way they can run up a large deficit that deeply concerns them into cutting Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and all other social programs.

      Unfortunately, since the Democrats turned to neoliberalism in the 90s, there's no corresponding pressure on their side to balance the Republican's spending fetishes. That's a big part of why the ACA is an over-complicated mess with lots of unpopular taxes and cumbersome mechanisms - the Democrats were desperate to not increase the deficit while enacting their program. A plan that was willing to have a higher CBO score would have been more effective and popular.

      Instead we have the over-complicated mess and Congress keeps pushing off the unpopular taxes so we get the increased deficit without the better program.

    4. Re:Trumps red hole by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      I've mostly worked on plans that don't necessitate tax increases nor create deficit spending, although I've extended that to make interesting adjustments, such as eliminating the OASDI payroll tax by shunting it to the top tax bracket (it's about 5%--not entirely certain yet).

      Allison Galbraith is pretty much the candidate for government bidding process reform and general clean-up to make tax dollars go further so we spend fewer of them on the same things.

      Some of us are actually trying to get in there and fix the disaster that is the United States budget and tax policy; we're counter-balanced by progressives who ignore the poor in favor of hating on the rich, and democratic socialists who want huge and expensive programs where a slimmer, low-cost program would achieve the same (or better) goals (like getting healthcare to every American without exception).

      Then you have disasters like Coppola, who wants to severely damage healthcare access and implement a 23% flat tax (plus 9% if you want healthcare; plus OASDI at 6.2% and another 6.2% on payrolls getting back-shifted into wages) with a 5% maximum deduction, leaving the poor paying nearly 40% while the rich coast at about 18%. Yes, he's a Democrat, somehow.

      Some of the new candidates are weird. Some are radicals. Some of our local democratic leadership is excited here, and one of them seemed ecstatic after fitting me into the mold of a "radical centrist" (I'm a bit left of Hillary, but I'm not Bernie by any stretch). If you don't like what's going on in Congress, start looking at the candidates--it's a different community, filled with people who have the same ideals as our current representatives and yet are unsatisfied with how those representatives pursue those ideals.

      We have a lot of regular folks off the street, but that's not odd: there's always a few dozen new faces in Congress, people who have never held political office and just went straight to Washington. IronStache Randy Bryce is an iron worker who's just basically pissed off at Paul Ryan for being Paul Ryan. Elizabeth Warren was never a politician, then suddenly was a Senator. Allison Galbraith is a Federal program manager and a small business owner. I'm an IT Security guy. That doesn't even count the new faces at the local level all over the nation, or any Republicans because of course I'm not talking about Republicans.

      Run for something.

  19. Fiscal conservativism by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Trump could do anything. Especially run up bills on the joint's credit. And why not? Nobody's gonna pay for it anyway. And as soon as the deliveries are made in the front door, you move the stuff out the back and sell it at a discount. You take a two hundred dollar case of booze and you sell it for a hundred. It doesn't matter. It's all profit. And then finally, when there's nothing left, when you can't borrow another buck from the bank or buy another case of booze, you bust the joint out. You light a match.

    Fuck you, pay me.

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    1. Re:Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you just described 24 years of Clinton/Bush/Obama in a nutshell.

      Good job.

    2. Re:Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My dear moronic PopeCrapso, tell me again who it was that presided over a 100% increase in the federal debt... More than George W Bush and his wars

      Oh yeah... your favorite buddy OBAMA that you never complained once about while he ran up the bills on the joint's credit.

      But NOW.. NOW you're concerned about it.

      Yeah, fuck YOU, you hypocritical troll

    3. Re:Fiscal conservativism by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      But NOW.. NOW you're concerned about it.

      Get over it, snowflake. Fiscal conservatism lost and we won. The only difference now is that we're selling off the valuable stuff so rich people won't have to pay taxes.

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    4. Re:Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aww - If fiscal conservatism lost then why are you so concerned about it now? I mean, "you won" right? This IS socialist spending, in a nutshell, just as Venezuela has practiced it. It's what you crow about time and time again and now that you're actually LIVING it... you're pissed off?
      Poor PopeCrapso - can't even defend his own arguments as Trump sets up a golden ivory tower, rent free, in his head.

    5. Re:Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tax and spend is a hell of a lot more fiscally sound than Republican President number THREE and their tax CUT and spend. I remember in 1999 we were worrying about what would happen to the global economy if the US didn't have any debt to issue. Because the national debt was on a trajectory for being paid off by 2010. Thank goodness we don't have to worry about THAT anymore!

    6. Re:Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look, its the moron that thinks lack of evidence of colluding with Russia is PROOF of collusion with Russia.

      You better be careful, or he will call you a traitor if you can't show evidence of you colluding with Russia.
      Today he is on the bend of doubling the national debt in 1 administration is being fiscally responsible, but daring to give the middle class a tax cut is the definition of treason.

      Its pretty obvious PopeRatzo is not interested in the truth at all. I suggest you all ridicule him as being literally the dumbest poster /. has ever had, and that list include Bennet Hassleton and Creimer.

    7. Re: Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This same scenario played out in reverse in 2013. I lean Democrat, but really am just fairly annoyed with everything... why bother

      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/16/republicans-blast-obama-proposal-to-sell-tennessee-valley-authority.html

    8. Re:Fiscal conservativism by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

      as Trump sets up a golden ivory tower, rent free, in his head.

      As long as he doesn't set up a golden shower in my head. That's nasty.

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    9. Re:Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got the goodfellas reference!

    10. Re:Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, in other western countries airports have long been the domain of private enterprise.

      The governments of many countries routinely privatise assets that are parts of mature industries and invest the proceeds into other things.

      Why must the government own airports? Should the government also own the electricity and oil industries, which are arguably much more important to national security and economic prosperity than a couple of airports?

    11. Re:Fiscal conservativism by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, in other western countries airports have long been the domain of private enterprise.

      As long as we're copying other western countries, can we get universal health care too?

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    12. Re:Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As soon as you can be honest about the costs of it, which you and your side seem unable to do at the moment.

      "The average family will see a reduction of $2500 a year in their insurance premiums" probably prevented universal health care from coming to the US for 20 years. Congratulations, lying has consequences.

    13. Re:Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now the guy's got Paulie as a partner. Any problems, he goes to Paulie. Trouble with the bill? He can go to Paulie. Trouble with the cops, deliveries, Tommy, he can call Paulie. But now the guy's gotta come up with Paulie's money every week, no matter what. Business bad? Fuck you, pay me. Oh, you had a fire? Fuck you, pay me. Place got hit by lightning, huh? Fuck you, pay me.

    14. Re:Fiscal conservativism by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Didn't Bush sign the law that raised the deficit so much in 2009, and then Obama had to hand out a (successful!) recovery stimulus in the middle of a 10% U3 unemployment economy to turn that around?

      At 5% unemployment in a growing economy, why has this Congress chosen to make sweeping tax cuts and spending initiatives at the expense of enormous government deficit spending?

    15. Re:Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why he (or his minions) are secretly funding the DeepFakes guy - plausible deniability.

    16. Re:Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a funny guy.

    17. Re:Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd still give you points for goodfellas

    18. Re:Fiscal conservativism by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      How the fuck am I funny?

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    19. Re:Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > tell me again who it was that presided over a 100% increase in the federal debt

      Oh, please. Let's hear the fantastic plan to dig out of the hole of the 2008 financial crisis that doesn't involve massive amounts of debt, because nobody was slinging around other great ideas at the time, other than "let the banks fail and let's see what happens", hoping it wasn't going to be worse. You can't blame Obama for running up the debt when A) Bush handed the keys to a flaming house and said "good luck putting it out"; B) Bush had already been pouring copious water on it. This was a shared responsibility, at the least. That Obama got stuck with most of the implementation makes it easy to say it happened on his watch (most of it did), but the plan was underway already and was pretty much committed. The whole time people *were* worried about the huge amounts of debt being accumulated, but like I said, there were no great ideas about what to do instead.

      And yet, after several years, it turned around. When you look at the economic indicators over Obama's term they clearly turned around (e.g., GDP, GDP growth, employment, etc.). And when he handed the keys over to Trump things were a hell of a lot better than when he started.

      So, what does Trump do? He with the help of Congress start building a gigantic new hole of debt on top of the existing one. You can say "Well, why are you complaining now?", but the fact is we aren't in the middle of a huge and risky financial crisis. The economy, while not perfect, isn't an utter disaster. The justification for a crisis-level spending plan simply isn't there, and maybe it is time to start paying down debt rather than spending like a drunken sailor. Instead, no, here's a huge tax cut mostly for the very wealthy and corporations and a whole lot more spending.

      It was always a concern, but at least there was a reason for it before, whereas now it's mostly to make wealthy people wealthier.

    20. Re:Fiscal conservativism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I'd look at where the deficit spending is going. 60+ Billion for additional 'defense' ought to be a good indictator.

      The political class, with the help of their media surrogates, failed to contain Trump. This is them trying to restore confidence by rewarding their benefactors, their keys to power, if you will.

      It isn't enough to say 'sorry it won't happen again' and turn internet titans against the principle of free speech. Big bulging bags with dollar signs aren't even enough. No, it takes cash by the pallet load.

  20. It's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't recall slashdot posting articles about Obama wanting to sell off military bases (land) to private owners in an effort to cut back on millitary spending (another political motive)
    Guess that wasn't considered "news for nerds" but when it's TRRRUMMPPARRR - then it is.
    In any event. This isn't a bad idea.

    1. Re:It's funny by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      There's a big difference between selling excess unused assets (e.g. closed military bases) and selling active assets (e.g. TVA). The former is just not letting buildings rot. The latter is potentially privatizing essential services.

      The thing is, this is one of those ideas that sounds a lot better in theory than in practice. I mean, in theory, selling it to the various states that buy power from TVA might work. The problem is that you'd have no single legislative body that could control it, and getting several state legislatures to agree is even harder than getting Congress to agree. So in practice, that's not likely to work very well. And that's the only possible sale that wouldn't represent a high risk of causing the complete economic collapse of the entire South. After all, TVA's low-cost electricity is a major factor in keeping those states' manufacturing industries competitive with China, Mexico, etc.

      The alternative — selling TVA to a private company — would be disastrous. If a conditions of sale was that TVA continued to be operated as a non-profit, nobody who could afford it would want it, because it would mean a lot of extra risk on the book for no financial benefit. And if they didn't make that one of the conditions, then... well, it takes a special kind of stupid to take a well-functioning nonprofit power company and sell it to a for-profit entity so that every single man, woman, and child in the southern United States can pay significantly more for the exact same electricity that they have now.

      So proposing the privatization of TVA should raise more than a few eyebrows among anyone living in any of the states that it serves.

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    2. Re:It's funny by belg4mit · · Score: 3, Informative

      Divesture of surplus military bases from the WW2 and cold war eras has been going on for decades, spanning the tenure of presidents of various stripes. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_Realignment_and_Closure/

      This is a whole other kettle of fish.

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    3. Re:It's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a lot of words for "I like it when my guy does it"
      First off the assets weren't "unused" - they were still well in use but Obama wanted a draw down in military forces (read, wanted to fire military personnel) to project the posture he wanted and transfer the money saved and earned to other programs he wanted.
      Secondly, selling off the public assets for private running isn't disastrous at all. It's been tried among many states (and other nations) to great success. See, once the private side takes ownership they take all the risk. The government can always take it back at a moments notice and, better, can tax the profits of the private side even more.
      https://www.downsizinggovernment.org/privatizing-us-airports
      "In other countries, many airports have been privatized in the form of long-term leases. Such leases shift risks, responsibilities, and growth incentives to the airport company. In Canada, reforms during the 1990s established the nation's top 26 airports as self-funded nonprofit corporations. The airport companies generally have 60-year leases from the federal government, and they are fully responsible for management, operations, and capital investment.

      Privatized airports fund their operations through charges on passengers, airlines, advertising, and returns from airport retail and parking concessions. The Canadian airport companies not only cover their own costs, but they also make payments in lieu of taxes to municipal governments and make lease payments to the federal government."
      So Trump, here, is following Canada's lead.

    4. Re:It's funny by Obfuscant · · Score: 0

      The problem is that you'd have no single legislative body that could control it,

      So the US Congress would dissolve once they approve the sale?

    5. Re:It's funny by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      The TVA doesn't fit in a "small government" model, and likely should have been privatized a long time ago. They actually run at a profit, which is a pretty good sign that they shouldn't be a government entity. Looking at their mix of power sources, it seems like they are also going to have some significant capital costs in the future that the government doesn't need to be on the hook for.

      Hopefully, they can divest themselves of it in a logical way so that the benefits of what is in place are not completely lost. I favor separating generation, transmission, and distribution personally.

    6. Re:It's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's a lot of words for "la la la, I am going to compare apples and oranges to say you are wrong"

      creating a non profit corp to run an airport is NOT privatizing it. Trump isn't looking to establish non profit corps, he is looking to SELL THE ASSET to for profit enterprises. Canada did it the right way, the US is heading down the fucked up path.

    7. Re:It's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Airports_Policy_(Canada)
      "The policy continues to be controversial in Canada because of greatly increased airport fees that have resulted and the ongoing inability of airports to meet infrastructure requirements. For example, the fees charged to carriers and general aviation by the Greater Toronto Airports Authority at Toronto Pearson International Airport are among the highest in the world"

      yeah sounds great

    8. Re:It's funny by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      The federal government would no longer own it, and therefore would only be in a position to regulate it, not manage it.

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    9. Re:It's funny by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      A "small government" model is just as fundamentally defective by design as a "big government" model. Certain things simply work much better when owned by government, and infrastructure like power lines, broadband connections, etc. are very clearly examples of that. Why? Because competition in wire providers simply does not work, has never worked, and can never work.

      As for running a profit, that's good, because it will cover those significant capital costs you're worried about. What will happen if it gets privatized? I can pretty much guarantee that they'll give those profits to shareholders. And then, when they need huge amounts of money to improve power generation, they'll come crying to the government for a bailout. And, forgetting that the purpose of small government was to keep the public from being on the hook for those costs, the government will dole out whatever they need.

      It's all about privatizing profits while socializing risks and costs, which is almost the exact opposite of what is best for the general public. California tried to privatize its electrical power. What did they get? Rolling blackouts, plus some of the most expensive power anywhere in the United States. And they want to do that do the South now? Screw that.

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    10. Re:It's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you want Congress to micro manage it? What's the point of selling it then? Oh I know, you want big government running the airports, but wait are you sure?

    11. Re:It's funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a little different to sell off land that is no longer being used as a military base (because over 300 were closed) versus selling off an in-use airport that is expected to continue operating as such.

      A better analogy would be to sell off existing military bases to a private interest and then lease their use back to the military. Maybe there are some places that have done that, but I suspect it is less common because it kind of leaves the government open to financial ransom if a base is in a key location and the private interest wants to use that as leverage for more money.

      Leases do exist for foreign locations, but that's for different reasons.

    12. Re:It's funny by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      and therefore would only be in a position to regulate it, not manage it.

      The claim was that there would be nobody to control it. Regulate is control. The US Congress will not go away if TVA is sold to local companies. The US Congress does not manage TVA today, so talking about a lack of management tomorrow is silly.

    13. Re:It's funny by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Congress approves the people who manage it (as appointed by the President). That's a lot closer to direct control than merely being able to pass laws (which, almost by definition, cannot legally be created in such a way that they affect only one business and not all businesses of a particular type).

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  21. In other words ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The 53-page infrastructure plan lays out a vision to turn $200 billion in federal money into $1.5 trillion for fixing America's infrastructure by leveraging local and state dollars and private investment

    In other words, Trump isn't doing a goddamned thing, is doing his standard trick of making other people spend their money and take the risk while he puts his name on it, and is going to transfer public assets into private assets. This is pretty much how he built all of his other failed ventures.

    This is such a bullshit 'plan' it defies belief ... because Trump is a crook and thief who apparently can't do math.

    But in the mean time he'll be sure people are dying in the streets because they have no healthcare, but his rich asshole friends all get tax breaks.

    I swear, the economics trotted out by Republicans is a complete fantasy most of the time.

    1. Re:In other words ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen the homeless numbers in Democrat controlled California?

      Tell me again about people dying in the streets because they have no healthcare or HOMES because the Democrat leadership assholes take all the tax dollars and then give it to their chosen people so long as they remain in power.

    2. Re:In other words ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      his rich asshole friends all get tax breaks

      If 80% of Americans (the people who got tax breaks) are his friends, no wonder he got elected. That pretty much guarantees his re-election also, doesn't it?

  22. Government = Bureaucrats + Guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your problem is that you've tied your identity to this one particular organization.

    Government = Bureaucrats + Guns; it's not only a monopoly, but it's the worst for of monopoly: One that is founded explicitly on and built up from the principle coercion rather than agreement in advance.

    1. Re:Government = Bureaucrats + Guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      SO LEAVE BITCH. But you DO NOT have the right to sell national forests to the pencil corporation on your way out BITCH TRAITORS! Capiche? I'll see you at the bottom of the ocean first, Libertarian crackheads! ALL OF YOU.

      You want freedom? GET OFF YOUR SASSY ASS AND FREELY GET THE FUCK OUT OF THIS COUNTRY.

      You want ZERO government? Get the fuck OUT and find a CAVE you stupid troglodyte son of a Kentucky Senator!

      There's no fucking government in the VACUUM OF SPACE WHERE YOUR IDEOLOGY BELONGS!

      NO MORE BULLSHIT WHINING. YOU HAVE YOUR OPTIONS. DEAL WITH IT SNOWFLAKE.

      FUCK JOHN BIRCH. AYN RAND IS A WHORE IN HELL.

    2. Re:Government = Bureaucrats + Guns by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      FUCK JOHN BIRCH.

      We only hail the hero
      from whom we got our name.
      We're not sure what he did,
      but he's our hero just the same.

      For those who don't get the reference.

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    3. Re:Government = Bureaucrats + Guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      U mad bro?

  23. These fees already exist! by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    You already pay most of these fees except for the facetious ones at the end plus others that you have not included like "airport improvement" despite the fact that airports almost never seem to improve no matter how much you pay.

    Most of these fees are hidden by being included in your ticket price either directly as a fee you pay or as fees which the airline pays and so passes on indirectly (like landing fees) to you. Have a look at the list of fees on your next air ticket. Typical charges on mine are things like: Air Travellers Security Charge; Passenger Service Charge; Air Passenger Duty; Airport Improvement Fee etc. The exact names vary based on the countries you are flying to/from but they are always there and are becoming a considerable fraction of the cost of flying.

    1. Re: These fees already exist! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Airports improve all the time. That's a disingenuous comment. They increase capacity, add new technical behind the scenes stuff... Does your experience improve? Probably not, but it would get substantially worse over time without funding for improvements (or just base modernizations)

      Also don't think those fees are news or a surprise to any but the most inexperienced airport customer.

    2. Re:These fees already exist! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the breakdown for a one-way flight I purchased recently:
      Airfare:157.21 USD
      * U.S. Transportation Tax: 11.79
      * U.S. Flight Segment Tax: 4.20
      * September 11th Security Fee: 5.60
      * U.S. Passenger Facility Charge: 4.50
      Total: 183.30 USD

      The "Transportation Tax" is a 7.5% excise tax while the others are either per-segment or per-leg of a trip. All of them are federal taxes that I pay regardless of which airport I fly through. Looking through receipts over recent years I haven't found any that have airport-specific fees.

      I've looked at receipts for flights through ATL, BWI, MCI, LAX, BOS, MIA, CLE, CAK, LGA, CHS, PBI, FLL, LAS, ORD, MDW, EWR, IAH, SFO, SJC, and PHL, among others. None of them had taxes that the others didn't.

      dom

    3. Re: These fees already exist! by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Improvements to improve capacity also increase their revenue since there are per-passenger and per-plane usage fees that they already charge. Adding a separate "improvement fee" so they can increase capacity and make more money is what is disingenuous.

  24. Sounds like the problem is "Socialism" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess the key is to privatize the losses, too, eh?

    Socialism is theft in all cases.

    1. Re:Sounds like the problem is "Socialism" by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

      Doesn't the thief usually end up with the money after stealing it?

      So who's getting the money... THAT'S your thief!

  25. Mythology by Jodka · · Score: 1, Interesting

    According to David Harsanyi at Reason, our "crumbling infrastructure" is a myth.

    One of the great myths of American politics, no matter who is president and no matter who runs Congress, is that our infrastructure is "crumbling." Former President Barack Obama repeatedly warned us about our "crumbling infrastructure." President Donald Trump now tells us that our infrastructure is "crumbling." The next president is going to hatch a giant plan to fix our crumbling infrastructure as well, because most voters want to believe infrastructure is crumbling.

    The infrastructure is not crumbling. ...

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    1. Re:Mythology by guruevi · · Score: 1

      And then bridges collapse because they concrete rotted away and nobody fixed it.

      Economy 101: You invest in your own economy, you increase the value of your country, you increase work force that spends money in the economy, this allows you to practically print money. It's how the space race (NASA) created $14 for every dollar it spent (ask Neil DeGrasse Tyson) or how having the Interstate project returns a double digit percentage every year on the investment.

      Imagine our modern economy (delivery of groceries to your door) would look like on dirt roads.

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    2. Re:Mythology by RazorSharp · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Well, I'm sure someone will point to a bridge or two that is in need of repair, or provide some anecdotal evidence regarding the potholes they must suffer through on their morning commute. It's part of the idiocracy that's formed: outliers become evidence for broad trends. Just look at all the FUD surrounding terrorism. Even though terrorist attacks are very rare, it's the one thing people are afraid of and want protection from. If people wanted protection from real life dangers they would demand more trains, as cars are so deadly. Of course, the rebuttal to that would be the two outlier train crashes that recently happened.

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    3. Re:Mythology by Nite_Hawk · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yep, I'm going to point out a bridge. I drove over the I35 bridge in Minneapolis nearly every day coming home from work prior to it's collapse. It was dumb luck I didn't leave work 10 minutes later that day or I would likely have been on it when it went down.

      But hey, if you don't want to take my anecdotal example, you can just go check transportation.gov and get a state by state breakdown of structurally deficient bridges yourself:

      https://www.transportation.gov...

      Now maybe you don't take much stock in their numbers, but personally after watching the bridge I made my daily commute over for years catastrophically collapse, I think it's worth at least considering that there may be some truth to these claims.

    4. Re:Mythology by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Two train crashes that would have been prevented had the Congress not been preventing the new safety system from turning on for many years, and in between the first and second crash delayed yet again

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    5. Re:Mythology by RazorSharp · · Score: 2

      That bridge is literally the example in the article Jodka cited.

      So "crumbling infrastructure" peddlers play on this concern by habitually agonizing over things like the impending outbreak of tragic bridge collapses that will kill thousands. They bring up tragedies like the 2007 disaster with the Interstate 35 bridge over the Mississippi River in downtown Minneapolis even though, according to federal investigators, the collapse was due to a design flaw rather than decaying infrastructure. Many outlets and politicians simply ignore the inconvenient fact that the rare fatality involving infrastructure typically has nothing to do with "crumbling" and everything to do with natural elements or human error.

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    6. Re:Mythology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article apparently couldn't read the federal investigative report correctly, then.

      I'm a resident of the Twin Cities area. Three primary points of failure with the I-35W bridge - no one single point proved catastrophic, it was all three together:

      a) Undersized gusset plates that were corroded/worn down from ice-melt runoff from the bridge;
      b) Frozen bearings that prevented the bridge superstructure from flexing;
      c) Overloaded bridge weight due to bridge resurfacing at the time of collapse.

      The latter half of (a) and all of (b) surely sound like "crumbling infrastructure" to me.

      The new bridge is essentially the same as the old bridge with (1) thicker gusset plates and (2) automated and manual monitoring of gusset plate widths and bridge bearing mobility.

    7. Re:Mythology by cmseagle · · Score: 1

      What about (b) sounds like "crumbling infrastructure"? Is your idea of infrastructure spending a crew of guys with blow dryers warming up frozen bearings in the winter? If any component of a bridge in Minnesota can't handle the cold, that's a design flaw.

    8. Re:Mythology by Nite_Hawk · · Score: 1

      Let's get specific:

      "the National Transportation Safety Board determined that it was a design flaw, and not deferred maintenance, neglect, or other problems, that caused the 35W bridge to collapse. Gusset plates that hold the bridge's huge steel beams together were only half as thick as they should have been. The NTSB also found that nearly 300 tons of construction equipment and materials stockpiled on the bridge deck for the ongoing repair work contributed to the collapse by further stressing the crucial gusset plate that failed."

      https://www.npr.org/2017/08/01...

      It seems amazing to me to draw the conclusion that because the bridge failure was due to underspecced gusset plates we should just stop worrying and do nothing despite so much of our infrastructure being found to be structurally deficient. Isn't a design flaw that makes the bridge unsafe sort of the very definition of structurally deficient? Is that exactly the kind of thing you should be spending money to inspect and fix? Does it not strike you that as other components age and weaken, an underspecced component might be more likely to fail?

    9. Re:Mythology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It may not be "crumbling" but it is aged and vulnerable. Our electric grid is a mess thanks to neglect and bad energy policy. An energy policy that shut down all the "bad" methods of production before the viable alternatives were in place. Billions were lost on startups that enriched some and produced nothing. Stop making this a Trump thing and understand that Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, etc. etc. etc. all did the same thing. Either we let private industry fix things or we force the folks we elect do it. This constant "us vs. them" and "my side is the right side" shit is what lets these fuckers get rich while we pay more and more for less and less.

    10. Re:Mythology by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Yes, of course. Thing is it's not that all of our infrastructure is "falling apart", and the example isn't infrastructure that went neglected and fell apart. The example is poorly-designed infrastructure--something we should actually audit before raising the general alarm of crumbling infrastructure everywhere.

      There are reports of our water infrastructure needing some billions across the country just to ensure they keep going for the next decade or so, never mind the upgrades we need for added demand. Let's look into that.

      By and large, America is not falling apart--at least not in visible places like decaying bridges.

    11. Re:Mythology by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      Exactly - and we're not talking about a one-off design flaw. This was a very common bridge design at the time it was built, and there are many out there just like it.

    12. Re:Mythology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Structurally deficient doesn't mean disaster is pending for a bridge. Many are still capable of carrying the full load that they were designed to carry. FHWA recently moved to classify bridges that were previously called "Structurally Deficient" to now be call "Poor" condition, due to this misperception. There are bridges that are in bad shape and need to be replaced, don't get me wrong, but not every structurally deficient or poor bridge needs replacement.

  26. Re:This will probably happen by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 1

    It will cost you a few more bucks to fly in and out of that airport, but they will get badly needed renovations of electrical, plumbing and structure that they need, and it will get done more quickly (assuming Trump also executes on chopping through all the red tape permitting BS that has accumulated over the last 40 years)

    Or the landlord will neglect all those facility updates and just squeeze all the money they can out of their investment, making sure to bust unions and reduce pay along the way.

    Chicago went through this same privatization binge in the 1990s. It didn't go swimmingly.

  27. Re:This will probably happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will likely happen, as the Federal government especially is terribly inefficient and incompetent at maintaining and providing customer service. Ever been to the DMV?

    With the possible exception of DC, since when does the federal government operate any DMV? Your slanted commentary goes off the rails from the word go.

  28. It is the only way... by Blinkin1200 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It is the only way you are ever going to see Trump International Airport.

  29. Re:This will probably happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This will likely happen, as the Federal government especially is terribly inefficient and incompetent at maintaining and providing customer service. Ever been to the DMV?

    Ever called Comcast?

    What happens when airports get privatized? It will cost you a few more bucks to fly in and out of that airport, but they will get badly needed renovations of electrical, plumbing and structure that they need, and it will get done more quickly (assuming Trump also executes on chopping through all the red tape permitting BS that has accumulated over the last 40 years) and it will be paid for by the people that actually use it, rather than every taxpayer in the US.

    Nope. What happens is that the airports are run like crap, and everybody pays for it.

    Once all the Trump derangement syndrome sufferers calm the hell down (I know it's hard for the hard core left between the Dim politicians and the MSM lying their asses off every night saying Trump is Hitler and the Antichrist who rapes every woman who he meets), they will realize what the rest of us already have, that regardless of his personal wealth, Trump is at heart just a normal guy, not a politician and he is a populist.

    Trump, at heart, is just a normal con-artist bamboozler, who once you get over your love affair with this empty braggadocio and pompous bloviation, will eventually be exposed for the Hitler-apologizing, sexual-abuse dismissing, grandstanding, shameful demonstration of the wretched corruption that the GOP and their lying apologists in the right-wing media suck up to every night.

    He has been consistently trying to do what is best for the people, not special interests, which is what every other politician (R and D) has been doing for the last 60 years.

    Nope.

    Of course, history will be the judge, but all of the actions that Trump has taken domestically have been to limit government, enforce the laws on the books, and protect the American citizen workers.

    Is that why he's pardoned a sheriff found to be in contempt of court, why he's actually reduced enforcement actions by the EPA, SEC, and LRB?

    He has not re-implemented Jim Crowe or started incarcerating homosexuals etc. so take a breath.

    Yes, he's just apologized for offending the white supremacists and sucked up to the Christian Dominionist movement.

    We are now going to see what an infrastructure plan looks like from a businessman and a builder, rather than the "shovel ready" stimulus under community organizer Obama that was just a giveaway to his cronies and pet environmental special interests.

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion...
    https://www.ocregister.com/201...

    Yes, we'll see Trump's infrastructure plan doesn't build anything, but just gives away to his pet cronies and robber barons

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/trumps-infrastructure-plan-is-badly-built-sure-to-collapse.html
    http://fortune.com/2018/02/12/trump-infrastructure-plan-speech-white-house-budget/
    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-infrastructure-plan-puts-burden-states-cities-article-1.3815389
    https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2018/02/12/trump-vision-prioritizes-corporate-giveaways
    http://reason.com/blog/2017/04/15/atlanta-braves-new-stadium-is-a-disaster
    http://prospect.org/article/how-scott-walker-and-kochs-are-making-wisconsin-corruption-friendly
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teapot_Dome_scandal
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedtech_scandal
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A9dit_Mobilier_of_America_scandal

    Don't you feel wonderful, knowing some history?

  30. It worked so well in Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sydney's airport was sold to Maquarie bank and now has the dubious distinction of having the most expensive parking of any airport in the world!

    They also financially engineered the transaction so they haven't spent on taxes in the history of the project.

    Don't do it.

    1. Re:It worked so well in Australia by gravewax · · Score: 1

      yep, if you are flying somewhere for a few days it is quite possible you will pay more for parking than the plane ticket. drive up rates are now $60+ a day. Even small cities like Canberra have parking rates at the airport that are more expensive than parking in the city and that is BEFORE you take into account all the extra fees you get hit with on your ticket.

    2. Re:It worked so well in Australia by jonwil · · Score: 1

      And if you think you can avoid the high fees by taking other forms of transport at Sydney Airport, forget it. All the other forms of transport you could use (taxis, Uber, trains, buses etc) have airport fees attached as well (as far as I know they all do anyway)

  31. We Know How Well Electricity Deregulation Worked by BBF_BBF · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Well, let's see, after deregulation of the Electricity market caused the power shortages in California since the private power companies realized that the capital costs involved with building new generation capacity was really expensive and that electricity is a necessity, so they just stopped building new plants and just raised electricity prices. Plus Enron.

    So with regards to the selling of federal assets: It may be that the private market will game the system better with the extra control they have over the most valuable assets... they'll let buildings run down even more and charge even higher fees because it's really expensive and time consuming to build another airport near Washington DC... and if you start, they'll wait until you're underway and then cut their pricing to bankrupt your project and then raise prices even higher afterwards.

    Yeah, sell the assets once to get a lump sum now, pay from now to eternity "leasing" it back. We'll see how the state's and city's budgets will look like in 10 years for the ones that sold their legislative offices to private enterprise so they can lease them back...

  32. I'll take that easy half billion $ by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > Comcast Ronald Regan Washington National Airport.

    A couple of recent stadium naming deals have been for $400 million and $800 million. If Comcast wants to give us, the taxpayers, half a billion dollars for the right to add their name to the airport sign, that sounds like an easy win to me.

    1. Re:I'll take that easy half billion $ by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Depends on the accounting. Is it just an advertising write-off and your city ends up with an expensive stadium instead of fixing the potholes, maybe not so much of a deal, especially if you're not into sports. If they're buying various broadcast rights or such, maybe a good deal.

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    2. Re:I'll take that easy half billion $ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Comcast wants to give us, the taxpayers, half a billion dollars

      Comcast won't give us anything. We will pay for it in increased cost of Comcast's product.

  33. Re:Actually, this is how you MAGA. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    America was theorised on individualism, but largely built on government subsidy. The "frontier" would have stayed at the 13 colonies if it hadn't been for the Army, the federal postal system, acquisition of land granted for essentially free to new colonists, and lots of other federal government money.

  34. It was expected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Ronald Reagan airport to be sold to private companies... Wasn't that Ronald Reagan's dream?

    1. Re: It was expected. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Reagan's dream was to be raped by a black man while his wife watched.

  35. OK... so the problem is Government... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When you institutionalize theft, thieves are going to seek power over the resulting institutions...

    1. Re:OK... so the problem is Government... by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

      ..is that why thieves run our corporations?

  36. Privatized sodiers ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    . is already a thing.

    When asked, "How many soldiers do we have?" the military does not include contractors who have taken the jobs formerly filled by military personnel.

    Think Blackwater, Snowden, Winner and recent "civilians" killed in Afghanistan.

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  37. Lack of competition by dfm3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If I had mod points, I'd mod you up. What proponents of privatization often fail to account for is that large infrastructure projects don't lend themselves well to free market competition.

    Read up on all the controversies around the Ambassador Bridge between Detroit and Ontario... and get ready for owners of private infrastructure to pull that same crap hundreds of times over across hundreds of other bridges, roads, and waterways across America.

    Want to build a competitor to DCA within reasonable distance of the Washington DC metro area? Good luck. In many places it's not just a question of land acquisition... there are many locations where local geography limits where airports can be built or where bridges can cross rivers. Look at the terrain around Pittsburgh... want to build another international airport there, maybe closer to the city? I'd like to see someone try.

    I HATE planning roadtrips across Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma... not because of all the stereotypes about flyover country (I actually love the scenery), but because of all the damn toll roads. For each road, I have to figure out: do they take cash, are they toll by plate (with a hefty surcharge for being unregistered), or do they use any of a number of incompatible tolling systems? If I register my rental car's tags in one city will my registration be valid in another? And avoiding the tolls in places like Kansas just to cross the state means you have to go MILES out of your way on two lane roads. Is it reasonable to expect that someone will be able to raise enough money to build a competing toll road, parallel to an existing one? In contrast, I can drive anywhere in a dozen northeastern states and know that any toll road will take EZpass.

    There's a big lake near my house that TVA sold off to a private company some years ago. Sure, the buyers spent money fixing up boat ramps and picnic areas... but then they decided to drain the lake for a year to do some maintenance on the dam. Now, if this were still government land it would be common sense to expect that you explore the lake bed at your own risk (people do that anyway when the lake is drawn down for the winter), but since the lake was now private property, the company used trespassing laws to enforce a complete closure of the entire lake and all adjacent land. And who did they use to enforce the closure? The local sheriff's department.

    1. Re: Lack of competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I drove across Kansas on the interstate. Several times. There was no toll. The major toll is the Kansas Turnpike which predates the interstate system

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_Turnpike

    2. Re:Lack of competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at the terrain around Pittsburgh.

      Have you seen runways around the world?

      In the ocean: Chubu Centrair International Airport, Kansai International Airport, Kai Tak International Airport, Toronto Islands Airport, Hamilton Island Airport
      On the side of a hill: Courchevel Airport, Saint Barthélemy Airport
      On the top of a mountain: Madeira Airport, Tenzing-Hillary Airport, Juancho E. Yrausquin Airport, Matekane Air Strip
      A valley between mountains: Paro International Airport, Toncontín International Airport
      Between city streets: Gibraltar Airport

      Flattening a few hills is simple work.

      ... owners of private infrastructure to pull that same crap ...

      'Matty' Moroun went to jail and the state built the approach ramps anyway. Not an ideal situation but the people were far from powerless. The planned Gordie Howe bridge to supplement the tunnel, will devastate his monopoly.

      ... any toll road will take EZpass.

      Perhaps bribes in Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma ensure less regulation too. Or once, again, this is the US states refusing to co-operate.

    3. Re:Lack of competition by mjwx · · Score: 2

      I HATE planning roadtrips across Texas, Kansas, and Oklahoma... not because of all the stereotypes about flyover country (I actually love the scenery), but because of all the damn toll roads. For each road, I have to figure out: do they take cash, are they toll by plate (with a hefty surcharge for being unregistered), or do they use any of a number of incompatible tolling systems? If I register my rental car's tags in one city will my registration be valid in another? And avoiding the tolls in places like Kansas just to cross the state means you have to go MILES out of your way on two lane roads. Is it reasonable to expect that someone will be able to raise enough money to build a competing toll road, parallel to an existing one? In contrast, I can drive anywhere in a dozen northeastern states and know that any toll road will take EZpass.

      Google Maps has an "Avoid Toll Roads" option.

      I admit I've used it once when I realised a route took me onto the M6 toll, one of the few toll roads in Britain.

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    4. Re:Lack of competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know for Dallas at least (I think all of Texas) if you are a visitor you don't have to pay tolls. Non residents can drive on. Oklahoma sucks though.

    5. Re:Lack of competition by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      If *I* had mod points, I'd mod this up.

    6. Re: Lack of competition by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      If you're going from, let's say, Oklahoma City to Des Moines, or Wichita to Kansas City, I suppose you could avoid the Turnpike - but only if you're okay with going way out of your way.

    7. Re:Lack of competition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > there are many locations where local geography limits where airports can be built or where bridges can cross rivers

      Ha! That's only the beginning. You'll see grass roots protests about the noise and traffic, complaints that it depresses local real estate values, and on and on as the (proper) public consultation proceeds before siting something as major as an airport. And that's before the astroturfing set up by the entrenched interests to protect the investment they've already made elsewhere. It's worth pouring money into any obstruction they can think of because competition would cut into their profits, so they'll pile on the lawsuits and political influence. We see the same damned thing when it comes to network infrastructure, for example.

      While I'm a huge fan of real market competition, screw the lot of them when it comes to major infrastructure projects that can't easily support parallel services and end up being local monopolies by their nature.

  38. Private airports are usually 'nicer', but... by Cimexus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As an Australian that moved to the US a few years ago and does a lot of flying for work, I'm on the fence when it comes to airport privatisation proposals. One of the interesting differences between the US and Australia is that, despite the fact that the US is generally more in favour of private sector delivery of services (think healthcare etc.), it has overwhelmingly kept its airports publically owned. Most major airports in the US are publically owned, whereas I think every major Australian airport was privatised many years ago.

    On the one hand Australian airports are wayyyy nicer than US airports. More modern and up to date, cleaner, more spacious, better and more facilities etc. Nicer places to be in by a long shot. US airports, especially some of the major ones (Newark and O'Hare spring to mind) are very overcrowded at peak times, straining at the seams and generally just more unpleasant places to be in (e.g. what's with those disgusting old seats and claustrophobically low ceilings in Concourses E/F at ORD?)

    But why are they so much nicer? Because they charge a lot more and thus have a lot more money to pump into improvements. US airport parking fees, even in a major city, are a small fraction of what they are in Australia for instance. I could park at Chicago for a week for what it could cost for a few hours at SYD or MEL. Australian airports no doubt also charge the airlines more than their US counterparts too (landing fees etc.), which indirectly affects ticket prices etc.

    So in terms of user experience, private airports seem nicer, but in terms of equity of accessibility to travel itself, publicly owned is the way to go. Prices go through the roof when airports are privatised, if Australia is anything to go by. Travel should not be only for the wealthy.

    1. Re:Private airports are usually 'nicer', but... by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      They are actually rebuilding that section in a big expansion. https://chicago.curbed.com/201...

    2. Re:Private airports are usually 'nicer', but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also being a fellow Aussie in the US, I'd like to add that the difference between Australia and the US is that the capital city airports in Australia are all the property of the federal government, which merely leased them out. (This is why you see federal police patrolling them rather than state police.) They were previously under the auspices of the Federal Airports Corporation.

      Smaller regional airports are typically owned by state or local governments, which is the situation with many of the major airports here in the US. E.g. SFO is owned by San Francisco (even though it's outside of the city and county of San Francisco) and LAX is owned by Los Angeles, etc.

      SYD and MEL have been singled out by the ACCC (Aussie version of the FTC) as being problems for price gouging, while the other major airports aren't so bad. SYD and MEL were bought by Macquarie, which for our US friends is Australia's very own Goldman Sachs.

    3. Re:Private airports are usually 'nicer', but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't fly. Tell me why I should pay for your car parking?

    4. Re:Private airports are usually 'nicer', but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not a fair comparison. Australia has 1600 domestic flights and 550 international flights per day. That's *all* airports. O'hare has 2400 flights per day. Of course it is crowded!

    5. Re:Private airports are usually 'nicer', but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No one is asking you too. In Australia at least parking is considered a profit centre for airports, they use parking as a way to pad profit margins. Parking should at cost, perhaps a little above to allow for future planning and profit.

    6. Re:Private airports are usually 'nicer', but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WHERE did you get your dodgy numbers from, O'Hare does about 500 flights a day

  39. You don't buy back by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    You tax the hell out of it and regulate it until they either sell it back or settle in for long term low profits. The question is what's gonna happen when the boomers die off and leave the millennials with nothing. Will the millennials have the political will to do stuff like that.

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  40. Ask Fukushima how that worked out by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    companies will run infrastructure way, way beyond it's intended life and to devil with the consequences.

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    1. Re:Ask Fukushima how that worked out by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      companies will run infrastructure way, way beyond it's intended life and to devil with the consequences *if the corrupt government allows them to.*

      FTFY

      Anyone who thinks that government has no say on public safety maters and any infrastructure involved is either a fool or a shill.

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  41. Re:We Know How Well Electricity Deregulation Worke by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 0

    The California blackouts were 100% Enron manipulating the market to make billions (that was the federal findings result). Deregulation does not mean no-regulation, and the idiots in California let Enron write the deregulation terms which is why the electorate took Gray Davis head in a historic recall.

    There was still regulation, it was just asinine because the bureaucrats were 100% incompetent fools. Many other states (including Texas) have a deregulated grid with no shortages and low prices (that don't gouge users as they buy more, like California and most Democrat states do today). https://www.electricchoice.com... and Texas pays 30% less for baseline electricity than California, even after re-regulation and about 65% less if you consider actual average bills based on usage: https://www.npr.org/sections/m...

    The key is to require all providers to maintain a reasonable % of excess capacity over what they sell into the grid, and when it drops below a threshold, they have to build more capacity and require long term contracts (something like 12 months at a time) so that energy is sold on a long term contract basis, instead of a premium spot demand price.
     

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  42. So exactly how... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    will either one or both of two near-capacity airports serving the same market "win" some mythical free market competition and get better?

  43. LIKE PUTIN by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Putin made an undisclosed amount for him and his friends by selling off government assets -- he was many many times more wealthy than Trump before he even became president and it was all by stealing from the public.

    Government corruption costs a % of everything but it has public input that at least has to get lip service. Private corruption is called profit and it's at least 20% to even bother with stuff on that scale. Public input also gets some lip service and often the difference in lack of change is the same; monopoly services however are pretty much always worse than public monopolies.

    1. Re:LIKE PUTIN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Putin made an undisclosed amount for him and his friends by selling off government assets -- he was many many times more wealthy than Trump before he even became president and it was all by stealing from the public.

      Government corruption costs a % of everything but it has public input that at least has to get lip service. Private corruption is called profit and it's at least 20% to even bother with stuff on that scale. Public input also gets some lip service and often the difference in lack of change is the same; monopoly services however are pretty much always worse than public monopolies.

      Private corruption? No. It is understood that a company will ask a certain portion in exchange for goods and services in excess of the cost. THAT'S profit, not corruption. CORRUPTION is when what they're selling you isn't merely more expensive to you, the buyer, than what it costs them, it's when they either take your money and don't deliver what they promised, ("where's my STUFF?") or when it isn't the quality they promised, ("hey, these bulbs are supposed to last 10,000 hours, and three of them are already out and I've only had them a week and a half!") or when some other form of fraud is perpetrated. The fact that it costs you more per unit than it cost the people who made it would ONLY be comparable to public corruption if they made a selling-point of their product that they are only applying a certain percentage markup, and in reality it's actually very different.

      Profit for a private company, by contrast, if you want to liken private companies and their behavior to that of public officials, would be more like overhead, where the office has to buy a certain number of something based on a best guess of how many they'll need. Really, it's kind of apples and oranges though.

    2. Re:LIKE PUTIN by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Generally, profits are about 8% average on commodities. It goes up where people think they can get away with it. There are businesses (notably healthcare suppliers--pharmaceutical research, medical equipment manufacturers, the high risk ones) which take 40% in some years and experience 25% losses in others, averaging 10%-12%.

      When we get up to luxuries and such, we're seeing 20%+ profits. Small demand goods also have high profits. Barriers to entry are high. They have really high gross margin, too, but that's a matter of scaling; their net operating profits are high.

      I favor lower taxes where fiscally, economically, and socially responsible; at the same time, I've considered a progressive tax on corporate profits. Big corporations are basically the same thing as a lot of small corporations making the same thing, as they're organizations of labor and assets to produce an output; whereas a rich person with a lot of income is fundamentally-different from a bunch of not-rich people with moderate income. A progressive corporate income tax would be based on tax-assessed net operating profits scaled by margin: 8% for normal taxes, then an 8%-12% bracket, then a 12%+ bracket, for example.

      Not sure how that would pan out, but it's a thought.

    3. Re:LIKE PUTIN by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      It is not apples and oranges; keep thinking, don't stop before it gets uncomfortable.

  44. Nope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's revisionism.

    For one, the government never had that land to give. You think settlers were government bootlickers? Try again.

    Government is like that guy who jumps in front of a parade and pretends to lead it.

    1. Re:Nope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's revisionism.

      If by "revisionism" you mean removing all the Ayn Rand bullshit added to the myth of the frontier by people like Rose Wilder Lane, then guilty as charged.

      For one, the government never had that land to give.

      True, but they stole it from Native Americans anyway.

    2. Re: Nope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think the Indians weren't killing each other for that land before Europeans came around? Give us a break with that bleeding heart nonsense. Europeans won because of more advanced technology and numbers.

      Get over it.

    3. Re: Nope. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Europeans won because of smallpox. The Spanish tried to take over the continent and lost. By the time the British turned up, smallpox had killed off 90% of the population. The United States was up against a post-apocalyptic society. Well done there. Very brave of you.

      Remember (if you ever knew in the first place) that the British lost the war against the Maori, and that's just over a small archipelago about the size of Nevada. The peace treaty is still part of New Zealand's constitution.

      So yes, I agree with your three points. The local groups were fighting each other before Europe turned up, the land was acquired from them by military conflict, and the victory was gained by a combination of better technology and superior numbers (and by breaking 100% of treaties made with them).

      None of that counters my point of the land being stolen.

  45. russia will own them by WindBourne · · Score: 0

    Seriously, I suspect that Russia will buy these and other assets though indirectly.
    Trump is paying off putin and destroying America as quickly as possible before he goes to prison for logan act violation or just treason.
    Mueller needs to speed this up and get trump/pence into prison soon.

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  46. Sounds like MBA BS by plopez · · Score: 1

    Having worked for MBAs you can't fool me...

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  47. and they can toll the dulles access road and get by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    and they can toll the Dulles access road and get rid of odd rules for it.

  48. Why not? They don't own your garage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you compare airports to other public transportation it doesn't make sense. The government owns the roads, the public right of way but not the endpoints. Same should apply with airspace. You don't fly on a government airline. You fly on a private airline. Why is the airport not privately owned? What's the win here?

  49. Now open: Area 51 GoFundMe by mnemotronic · · Score: 1

    You can help purchase the Groom Lake test facility from the US Air Force and own a historic piece of the "Will Smith slept here" hanger, not to mention Elvis's personal UFO. Our goal is to raise $11,000., $1000 of which will be the payment for the base and all assets. The rest will be used to commission a giant sign reading "President Trump is the bestest and mostest smartest ever in the history of ever" AND sponsor a tribute parade to the POTUS in downtown Pahrump. Can't lose.

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  50. "New" money - not! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The $200B of "new" money? That's supposed to come from cuts in existing programs for state and local programs. There ain't _any_ new Federal money here. This way he can show how fiscally conservative he is (now that he's run up the deficit with giant tax cuts for him and his pals).

  51. Here's a way to save even more money: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's just evict the occupants and sell 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington D.C. to a museum, and lay off all the people who work there. Think of all the problems that would solve.

    Then the active duty military gets apportioned to the individual state National Guard Bureaus, with the really sensitive stuff being left under the command of the Pentagon, which simply answers to whichever state governor the Senate decides upon, for purely oversight purposes.

    The system as established clearly isn't working.

  52. Building is already there. Half billion for SIGN by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Are you talking about BUILDING a stadium? This is about *existing* facilities, and money for naming rights.

    For example my local stadium in Dallas (actually Arlington) opened in 2009, with a sign saying "Cowboys Stadium". For years later, AT&T paid $400 million to change the sign to instead say "AT&T Stadium". That's $400 million in free money to use fixing potholes or whatever the city wants to do with it. What AT&T bought was the *sign* out front.

    I don't watch the Cowboys, though. I only watch the Broncos, who play at Mile High Stadium. Officially it was renamed "Sports Authority Field at Mile High" or something, but *nobody* calls it that. That's just the name on the sign, a name not used anywhere but the sign. The sign is coming down in a weeks and a new one will go up after some other fool pays the city a few hundred million to put up a sign with their name on it. There was a bill in the state legislature saying it had to always be called "Mile High", though the sign, and official name, could be "That Mile High Stadium" or whatever. No need - we're always going to just call it Mile High Stadium, regardless of the sign.

  53. Darn autocorrect. "Redhat Mile High Stadium" by raymorris · · Score: 1

    That was supposed to say "Redhat Mile High Stadium". Not "That Mile High Stadium". Whatever.

    For $10,000 I'll name my house âAMD Residence", and put their name on the front door.

  54. Trump n' Friends by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    im pretty sure some of his "friends" would end up owning it and in a total supprice to everyone gov would need to buy alot of services from them...

  55. China has WONDERFUL airports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Truly awesome, I tell ya, and no, they do not sell their airports

  56. Thatâ(TM)s such a coincidence! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I heard that the Trump Organization is at the forefront of the companies interested in purchasing them

  57. Let me guess... by midifarm · · Score: 1

    The sale will be sold to a wholly owned subsidiary of Trump International...

  58. Pushing the lump around under the rug by dskoll · · Score: 1

    You can push the lump under the rug all you want, but this money will have to come from somewhere. If the Feds cut taxes and expect the states to cover the shortfall, then state taxes will go up. You can't get something for nothing.

  59. Re: But that's exactly what we've already found o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why does your vile and false slander render her opinion irrelevant? She developed ideas into a philosophy and into literature, while you struggle to fabricate lies out of envy of people better than yourself.

  60. So, this is their answer to their huge deficit? by atrex · · Score: 1

    They're going to sell off everything owned by the Federal government to pay for their excessive tax cuts and military spending?
    What happens when they run out buildings to sell, do they start selling off the paintings and plates in the White House? Are we going to end up with a big "For Rent" sign on the Washington and Lincoln monuments?

  61. Re:Building is already there. Half billion for SIG by dryeo · · Score: 1

    Just thinking that $400 million is a tax write off, so more of redirected money. One city I know off, they bought both the naming rights and broadcast rights. The broadcast rights are a money maker rather then just advertising.

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  62. You've got it backwards by tacokill · · Score: 1

    Actually, no. You seem to have missed the words "Includes legal tender notes, gold and silver certificates, etc.". The debt on that page can increase when the government prints more money.

    No, you have it backwards. Money via debt is how the US government PAYS the obligations and promises it is has to pay. Can't meet those liabilities (like pensions, medical care, etc) with tax revenues? Well, then spin up the printing press and print more of those dollars that are owed. Let all the suckers and savers eat cake because now those dollars you are saving/hoarding are worth a lot less. BTW, this is exactly how Zimbabwe and others get into trouble. They have debts so they print their way out of it and in the process, they destroy the "buying power" of their currency. This is well known and well understood economics. The US does this too but not on the scale of Zimbabwe

    We have been witnessing this - in real time - for going on 30 years now. The difference is that the US dollar is a world reserve currency so it can handle some large increases in the money supply without causing too much negative effect (so far...). But that is not unlimited and if we continue to add debt to our country in order to pay our bills and promises, eventually those choices will come home to roost.

  63. False by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obama's deficits dwarfed those of Bush43.

  64. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They should keep the well performing assets and sell off the poorly performing ones to companies that can prove they can bring up the quality. Not sure these qualify, but at the rate we are going, people are not going to be able to demand government keep all of its assets - it's the most indebted government in the history of mankind and there's absolutely no mathematical way to keep it at its current levels.

    1. Re:Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, and one positive benefit of throwing those airports into the private sector? No more TSA crap. Private sector would shut them down faster than taking a smelly, dirty diaper filled trash can out of the center aisle. They provide almost no value whatsoever and are both a rights violator and a general impediment to travel, bringing down the overall quality of service and experience from what could have been an 8 to maybe a 1 or 2.

  65. Re:This will probably happen by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    making sure to bust unions and reduce pay along the way.

    Oddly enough, I'm looking at reworking the Federal labor laws, notably to rewrite 29 USC 164(b) so as to authorize union security clauses regardless of State and Local law. No closed shops, but they can require you to join the union after 30 days (this is already in the law). Currently, 29 USC 164(b) allows states to prohibit Union Security Clauses requiring full Union membership or the payment of core financial dues ("Agency Fee"), which weakens the power to collectively bargain by weakening the Union's capacity to finance itself in the pursuit of representing the worker (freeriders).

    I've considered allowing States to pass laws about employers not being forced to fire or not admit someone unless they fail to pay core financial dues: you have to join the union if allowed, but you're exempt from that provision of the security clause if they refuse so long as you pay the required core financial dues. That means, yes, if they allow you to join, you have to pay full membership dues (this already excludes non-union-activity dues such as political activism funding: you can always opt out of those).

    I call that a "Right to Work" law: you can be required to join the union and pay dues as a condition of employment, but the union can't enforce that provision so long as you pay dues and they deny membership. The moment they are ready to grant membership, you have to join the union or cease working for that employer. At no time can the Union deny employment to a dues-paying worker willing to become a member of the Union.

    I'm also looking at allowing States to limit required union dues so long as the limit does not restrict regular required union dues to a proportion less than 2.5% of paychecks. That limit reflects 2 hours of a 40-hour work week, and less for part-time workers. This ensures dues are always affordable for the worker.

    Neither of these provisions goes into Federal law. The provision authorizing State "Right to Work" legislation, replacing 29 USC 164(b), will obliterate union-weakening laws in 28 States and Guam, as well as a few weaker provisions such as seen in the state of Maryland. Instead, the States will be able to prohibit Unions from unilaterally excluding dues-paying employees willing to join the union from employment, so long as they continue paying dues. The States can also ensure those dues are not excessive, should they choose to.

    This should reduce union-busting tactics and strengthen collective bargaining.

  66. Re:Building is already there. Half billion for SIG by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

    That's $400 million in free money to use fixing potholes or whatever the city wants to do with it.

    The city only gets 5% of the naming rights (approximately 900K/year), despite fully owning the stadium. And while that that money is nothing to sneeze at, it is earmarked to pay down the debt taken on to build the stadium in the first place, and so is not "free money" and will not be used to fix potholes or anything else of direct benefit to the people of the Metroplex.

  67. Wow, the Rs aren't even pretending anymore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The republicans used to at least pretend they cared about the middle and lower classes.

    But, with the swathe of policies/laws that have come out in the last year, they aren't even trying to pretend anymore -- they've gone full on Mr. Potter (a character in the movie "It's a Wonderful Life" for those who don't know the reference -- think Ebenezer Scrooge before the spirits visited).

    Fuck the dirty, lazy, stinking poor. #OnlyRichLivesMatter

  68. MAGA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make America Great Again.

    In the 1950s, there was rampant re-segregation throughout America as women were removed from factories and Black men were excluded from the military again. There was also a 90% tax rate.

    One of those criteria was responsible for America's ability to build NASA and the interstate highway system and fund math and science education in the schools.

    It wasn't the racism. If government were truly a problem, then the greatest nations of all time, ancient Egypt, ancient Greece (twice), classic Rome, the British Empire and America from 1942-1970 would be ones with little government instead of being _exactly_ the opposite.

  69. You mean 20% less because it's an expense? by raymorris · · Score: 1

    You're saying because it's a business expense, it reduces the federal tax the company pays on its profits by about $80 million?

    If the company wouldn't otherwise spend that marketing / advertising money with TV ads or Facebook or whatever other marketing, that would be true. It would be $400 million for the owner of the stadium (typically the city), and $80 million less for the feds. So net $320 for the taxpayer.

    If the company would otherwise do OTHER marketing, there is no tax impact. It's just $400 million to the city instead of $400 million to Facebook or Google.

    1. Re:You mean 20% less because it's an expense? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Good point. Just amazes me how much the telecommunication companies have to spend on advertising.

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  70. Ontario, Canada by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Selling off infrastructure to balance the budget has so been done before, this is hardly news. Typically it is by Conservatives with the whole "Private is better" approach. One of the more recent examples was the 407 highway in Ontario. The Conservatives didn't sell it however, instead they did a 99 year lease... Totally different.

  71. they'll be sold and re-named by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So "Reagan National Airport" will soon become "Putin National Airport".

    You read it here first.

  72. Essential Public Service? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd be willing to consider privatizing airports, but I think you have put your finger on the biggest risk. What if the airport goes bankrupt?

    Does another company buy up the airport, or does the government bail them out? Where is the moral hazard?

    My concern would be exactly what you said. There's no private sector buyer and the public lobbies the government to "keep this essential service running!"

    Infrastructure should only be privatized under the conditions that, if the venture fails and there is no alternate private sector buyer, that infrastructure dies. There's no government bailout.

    If you can't do that then it's not a candidate for privatization. It's a sucker's game of "Heads You Win, Tails I Lose."

  73. Re: But that's exactly what we've already found o by whitroth · · Score: 1

    She lived out the last years of her life on SOCIALISTIC social security and Medicare.

    She was a user, marrying then dumping to move to the US, arguing that greed is good, I've got mine, screw the rest of you.

    If you fell that way, go buy a damn island and declare yourself a country of one.

  74. Monsters vs. Aliens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  75. JG Wentworth "Cash Now" by q4Fry · · Score: 1

    Let me take this in reverse order.

    What advantage is there to the public to sell off these public assets?

    None, unless you believe that air travel into DC owned by private entities will increase its efficiency and definitely never be used for political means.

    What if an airline bought them? Can they prevent other airlines from utilizing the airports? Can they deny other airlines' lobbyists access to Washington? Whoever your wealthy bogeyman is (Soros? Koch?), imagine that they have a monopoly on air travel to the seat of US Government. Now do you want the airports to be sold?

    Why does the administration want to sell in the first place?

    Assuming the most innocuous situation, if Trump can sell them to anyone, even somewhat underpriced, he can claim a "win" in up-front government cash flow to his constituency. That constituency may use the airports twice in their entire lives, if ever, thus mostly avoiding any direct effects brought about by for-profit management.

    In addition, if I were a cynical man, I'd suggest that the buyer could be a crony or a soon-to-be crony. See, for instance, the Boris Yeltsin example.

  76. See, This Is MAGA Stupid, Right Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why Big Giant Orange Head voters are not reliable commentators.

    Economy? BGOH is doing well there, but in a "didn't F* it up" kind of way. Reality is, the economy was doing great in the last few years of the previous administration.

    Defeat of ISIS? That was going to happen with or without BGOH. Again, the previous administration started military action and BGOH continued it. Even with no US spending or action, the Russians have been eager to get involved.

    North Korea is coming to the negotiating table? I'm sorry, did I miss something there? N.K. is thumbing their nose at BGOH just like they have thumbed their nose at every administration since Eisenhower. Besides, BGOH promised that he was going to "do something" about N.K. and get rid of their nukes. Hasn't happened, it's all political bloviating.

    Tax windfall? Yes, run to the bank with that $1.50 a week you got back. BGOH and the wealthy hit the jackpot and you got crumbs. And the US debt has been slammed to the tune of $1 trillion, so much for the Repubs being the party of 'responsible spending and balanced budgets'!

    Lowest illegal immigration rates in 40 years? Yes, I probably have to concede that one. Xenophobia as public policy does have certain advantages. By the way, why does the border wall need US funding when Mexico is paying for it? That really is a puzzler, but Mexico is totally going to pay that back, right? It's a loan?