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The Most Popular Linux Desktop Programs (zdnet.com)

The most recent Linux Questions poll results are in. Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols, writing for ZDNet: LinuxQuestions, one of the largest internet Linux groups with 550,000 members, has just posted the results from its latest survey of desktop Linux users. In the always hotly-contested Linux desktop environment survey, the winner was the KDE Plasma Desktop. It was followed by the popular lightweight Xfce, Cinnamon, and GNOME. If you want to buy a computer with pre-installed Linux, the Linux Questions crew's favorite vendor by far was System76. Numerous other computer companies offer Linux on their PCs. These include both big names like Dell and dedicated small Linux shops such as ZaReason, Penguin Computing, and Emperor Linux. Many first choices weren't too surprising. For example, Linux users have long stayed loyal to the Firefox web browser, and they're still big fans. Firefox beat out Google Chrome by a five-to-one margin. And, as always, the VLC media player is far more popular than any other Linux media player. For email clients, Mozilla Thunderbird remains on top. That's a bit surprising given how Thunderbird's development has been stuck in neutral for some time now. When it comes to text editors, I was pleased to see vim -- my personal favorite -- win out over its perpetual rival, Emacs. In fact, nano and Kate both came ahead of Emacs.

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  1. The Results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    From: https://www.linuxquestions.org...

    Desktop Distribution of the Year - Ubuntu (18.17%)
    Server Distribution of the Year - Slackware (22.40%)
    Live Distribution of the Year - Knoppix (18.31%)
    Lightweight Distribution of the Year - Puppy Linux (29.75%)
    Database of the Year - MariaDB (42.22%)
    Browser of the Year - Firefox (57.84%)
    Desktop Environment of the Year - Plasma Desktop (KDE) (27.83%)
    Window Manager of the Year - Openbox (24.22%)
    Audio Media Player Application of the Year - VLC (31.13%)
    Digital Audio Workstation of the Year - Ardour (42.86%)
    Video Media Player Application of the Year - VLC (68.01%)
    Video Authoring Application of the Year - KDEnlive (
    Network Security Application of the Year - Wireshark (33.33%)
    Host Security Application of the Year - SELinux (35.71%)
    Network Monitoring Application of the Year - Nagios Core (32.73%)
    IDE of the Year - Geany (15.98%)
    Text Editor of the Year - vim (28.32%)
    File Manager of the Year - Dolphin (25.24%)
    Open Source Game of the Year - 0 A.D. (17.31%)
    Programming Language of the Year - Python (30.00%)
    Backup Application of the Year - rsync (41.30%)
    Log Management Tool of the Year - Logwatch (36.96%)
    X Terminal Emulator of the Year - Konsole (22.01%)
    Browser Privacy Solution of the Year - uBlock Origin (28.13%)
    Privacy Solution of the Year - Tor Browser Bundle (37.21%)
    Open Source File Sync Application of the Year - Nextcloud (36.92%)
    IRC Client of the Year - Hexchat (33.02%)
    Universal Packaging Format of the Year - Snap (38.67%)
    Single Board Computer of the Year - Raspberry Pi 3 Model B (64.18%)
    Virtualization Application of the Year - VirtualBox (64.53%)
    Container of the Year - Docker (67.14%)
    Orchestrator of the Year - Kubernetes (62.07%)
    Linux/Open Source Podcast of the Year - Linux Action Show (16.00%)
    Secure Messaging Application of the Year - Telegram/Signal (Tie - 38.46%)
    Video Messaging Application of the Year - Skype (54.76%)
    Vector Graphics Editor of the Year - Inkscape (68.97%)
    Linux Desktop Vendor of the Year - System76 (63.49%)
    Email Client of the Year - Thunderbird (63.45%)

    1. Re:The Results by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu for the desktop and Slackware for the server? Well, that's all I need to dismiss those opinions. If anything it should be the other way around.

      uMatrix is an improvement over uBlock Origin.

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    2. Re:The Results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use both uMatrix and uBlock Origin. uMatrix doesn't quite seem to have a superset of uBlock Origin's features.

    3. Re:The Results by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

      No? What do you miss?

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    4. Re:The Results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose when you put it that way, I wouldn't miss much. uBlock Origin has a longer list of built in filters and a couple extra privacy settings. I should see if I even notice the missing filters and add them by hand if I do.

    5. Re:The Results by Hal_Porter · · Score: 1

      gorhill, the developer of uBlock Origin and uMatrix uses uBlock Origin in Medium mode, not uMatrix.

      https://github.com/gorhill/uBl...

      https://www.wilderssecurity.co...

      What does uMatrix do that uBlock Origin doesn't do in Medium Mode? As part of my holy war on Facebook, Google and third party javascript, I'm always interested in learning of new weapons.

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    6. Re:The Results by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      None of us are as dumb as all of us.

    7. Re: The Results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Itâ(TM)s titles âGoat fuckerâ(TM) and it is racist. The goats are racist.

    8. Re: The Results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use Ubuntu for my desktop. So far it is at least as good as Windows 95 which is all I need.

    9. Re:The Results by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      I can't help noticing that these are nearly all the same things that have been popular for a decade or more. How many differences are there from the 2008 survey, if there was a 2008 survey?

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    10. Re:The Results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ubuntu for the desktop and Slackware for the server? Well, that's all I need to dismiss those opinions. If anything it should be the other way around.

      uMatrix is an improvement over uBlock Origin.

      Hi. I've worked at a largish datacenter for the last decade, and while I wouldn't use it myself, a lot of our customers are using Ubuntu on their servers (almost everything else is CentOS, which is by far the majority).
      I have never seen anyone use Slackware on a server, and if fact I don't think I've heard the term Slackware in probably 10 years.
      On the desktop side, a lot of us are using Ubuntu, but Mint probably is also way up there. Again, I haven't seen anyone use Slackware, but you do see Arch and Gentoo.

      I'm going to assume that this survey is like most of them, and skewed by a few individuals that gamed it.

    11. Re:The Results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LinuxQuestions (LQ) is basically base for slackware users, so it's not quite surprising.

    12. Re:The Results by Mozai · · Score: 1

      I didn't find a 2008 survey, but I did find a 2010 survey. D'you mind doing some homework?
      https://www.linuxquestions.org...

    13. Re:The Results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uMatrix isn't a replacement for uBlock Origin. They serve two different purposes, you fucking idiot.

  2. What about systemd? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You use it whether YOU WANT IT or NOT!

    1. Re:What about systemd? by fisted · · Score: 1

      Server Distribution of the Year - Slackware (22.40%)

  3. always the basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I usually grab the basics right off the bat

    gedit for text editing along with gedit-plugins

    gimp for photo editing

    inkscape to create vector graphics like icons

    gigolo to facilitate remote connections

    nodejs for web development along with npm for modules and mongodb for database

    Steam for gaming

    Sort of surprised that the desktop is a thing, quite frankly the desktop is window dressing. The first thing I usually do is set the theme to high contrast and kill anything relating to animated desktop events so that the system doesn't waste time on fluff.

    1. Re:always the basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whois
      irssi
      the end

    2. Re: always the basics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about a category for basic image manipulation? Kolourpaint wins that for me

  4. Thunderbird by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have yet to see any realistic alternative to Thunderbird. Most other local clients are so bloated I might as well just go to the gmail web panel. Thunderbird is the most lightweight email client that I can see. Too bad it has been abandoned.

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    1. Re:Thunderbird by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 1

      I like Postbox, myself. Been using it for about 10 years now. I miss the Sunbird integration...having the calendar and E-mail in the same program was nifty.

    2. Re:Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      mutt

    3. Re:Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mutt, Alpine, Geary and Claws Mail are all less bloated than Thunderbird.

      Thunderbird is actually pretty much complete shit, like all other Mozilla projects.

    4. Re:Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still see regular updates for Thunderbird being pushed out on a regular basis. How is it "abandoned"? No long new feature list? What more features does an email client still need in this day and age?

      As long as regular patches take care of known security issues, that's all I expect from *some* types of software.

    5. Re:Thunderbird by Gort65 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I have yet to see any realistic alternative to Thunderbird. Most other local clients are so bloated I might as well just go to the gmail web panel. Thunderbird is the most lightweight email client that I can see. Too bad it has been abandoned.

      Claws Mail is quite a good email client and it's not bloated for a GUI client.

      BTW, Thunderbird is currently neglected by Mozilla, but it's certainly not abandoned. It's still getting regular updates.

    6. Re:Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mutt, alpine, Sylpheed if you want a GUI

    7. Re:Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree it's sad that it's abandoned, but on the other hand, it was not in dire need of improvement. As an old Eudora user, Thunderbird did what I needed and expected for the most part. I don't actually use it anymore (I just use the web clients now) but if I went back to a desktop client, I expect I'd still be satisfied with it.

    8. Re:Thunderbird by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Yes I think the fact that I'm using Thunderbird would mean it goes without saying that I want a local client with a gui.

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    9. Re:Thunderbird by fred6666 · · Score: 3, Informative

      their last version is in 2018
      doesn't sound abandoned

    10. Re:Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      mozilla deabandoned thunderbird and created a new foundation to oversee it's development, and they're hiring again:

      https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/11/thunderbird_mozilla_future/
      https://blog.mozilla.org/thunderbird/2018/01/were-hiring-a-developer-to-work-on-thunderbird-full-time/

    11. Re:Thunderbird by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Sylpheed

      What, did I time travel back to 2002?

      The only people using sylpheed these days are Japanese folk using it out of a sense of national pride instead of the superior fork, Claws-mail.

      It's not a bad client, it's just that Claws-mail is better.

    12. Re:Thunderbird by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 2

      Too bad it has been abandoned.

      It is in pretty good shape anyway. I have been using it for a while already and no complaints.

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    13. Re:Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      These days people think that if the interface isn't being screwed up every other week then the software must have been "abandonded". The idea that software might mature to the point where it only needs bug-fixes and (very) occasional fine tuning is considered sacrilege.

    14. Re:Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well I use Sylpheed on Windows - Better then Thunderbird or Outlook/Live-Mail simply because it uses the standard MH mail format so I can easily switch to *bsd/nix if I want.

    15. Re:Thunderbird by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      Sorry guys. Still a big fan of mutt. I know its pretty useless in the days of html email, (there is a special place in hell for who though of html email), but for straight up reading the kernel mail list it really can't be beat.

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    16. Re: Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Claws-mail is quite decent actually but the calendar plugin is very far from thunderbird's capabilities and ease of use.
      Html display is a bit wonky too.

      So yeah, thunderbird it is.

    17. Re:Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can set up mutt to render html email using w3m.

    18. Re:Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a bit miffed about the lack of format=flowed support in email clients. How can the pile of horse manure that is HTML mail become widely supported but not a simple and elegant solution like format=flowed?

    19. Re:Thunderbird by tsa · · Score: 1

      Luckily the T-bird is not totally abandoned yet. I think it's still the best email client out there. It doesn't need new features. e-Mail is so old, an old email client works just as good as a new one.

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    20. Re:Thunderbird by tsa · · Score: 1

      This is so true it should have its own place in heaven.

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    21. Re:Thunderbird by zoward · · Score: 1

      I have mutt set up to open HTML attchments in Qupzilla upon request. Beyond that, it's fast and wonderful, giving me the text of the email and stripping out bullshit.

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    22. Re:Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly, 80s tech.

    23. Re:Thunderbird by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      I liked kmail for a while, until it went insane and eventually broke irrecoverably in progressive updates. Went back to Thunderbird because Thunderbird is reliably static. In other words, I use Thunderbird because it's abandoned. Please don't revive it, that'll lead to a strong chance of it being ruined, and email is too important to risk.

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    24. Re:Thunderbird by postglock · · Score: 1

      Thunderbird is the most lightweight email client that I can see.

      I moved from TB to mutt/neomutt a couple of years ago and never looked back. It took a little while to set up, but the migration was definitely worth it. TB is extremely bloated in comparison.

    25. Re:Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have used Thunderbird since it was v0.4 and have yet to see anything that comes close. And why should TB keep its version number hopping along with the crazy pace of FF? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. It works just fine and should be left alone. My greatest fear for Tbird is that the accursed sect of Gnomists get hold of it and render TBird unusable. They did it to gedit, and gthumb, the latter being my almost-irfanview replacement in Linux until the Gnomists zapped it with their "development work" and "modernization". I had to find something else. Fortunately Linux Mint kindly forked gthumb to pix, but Tbird may be too much to bite off.

    26. Re:Thunderbird by Trogre · · Score: 1

      +1 for this, and the Lightning CalDav plugin, for which there is no viable replacement (except perhaps Evolution).

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    27. Re:Thunderbird by skids · · Score: 1

      Yeah when I bother to read my email at all, these days it is mutt. Still kinda did like pine better, but it's not far off... just a bunch of different keys to remember on an application I use so rarely these days.

      (Note to ancient unix devs: email is not a good way to do system logging and alerting. cron needs to find some other way.)

    28. Re:Thunderbird by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I like free and works on Mac, Linux, Windows.

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    29. Re:Thunderbird by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I work in consoles all day. I don't want to read my email in one too.

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    30. Re:Thunderbird by fisted · · Score: 1

      Most mail fortunately is multipart, and for the occasional html-only mail you can have mutt defer to links in order to strip the html (which does or does not work depending on how broken the html is)

    31. Re:Thunderbird by fisted · · Score: 1

      That's oddly backwards

    32. Re:Thunderbird by fisted · · Score: 1

      Actually your comment made me think you do *not* like all the bloat, and use (the horribly bloated) thunderbird because you don't know non-bloated alternatives

    33. Re:Thunderbird by fluffernutter · · Score: 0

      Not wanting my job to follow me home is backwards? You must be American.

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    34. Re:Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thunderbird as an email client is almost as good as it gets. There is nothing out there that beats it on Linux and it has for me (and a lot of my clients) the great advantage of being available and functioning (almost) identical on several platforms (Linux, Windows, macOS).

      The only real gripe I have is that with one of the latest updates, they totally f'ed up the calendar functionality, which takes away a very compelling reason for a lot of people to move away from abominations like Microsoft Outlook.

      And talking about abominations, it is no surprise that there are other editors ahead of Emacs. After all, it's a nice operating system. it's just missing a decent editor option...

    35. Re:Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought it was going independent? Hope so cant stand Mozilla, they should keep their lefty politics to themselves

    36. Re:Thunderbird by fisted · · Score: 1

      If I'm already used to and familiar with "consoles", I sure would not want to put up with something different at home, so as to leave more time for myself. By the time I've processed the majority of new mail in my inbox, thunderbird wouldn't even have finished starting up.

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  5. So no killer apps. by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually this list is rather surprising that there isn't any really popular Linux App, that isn't widely used in other platforms. This list is mostly just rather basic tools for 2018, Web Browser, Video Player, Text editor, and Windows Managers.

    Back in the days.
    Macintosh had its Adobe Suits for desktop publishing
    DOS had its word perfect and Lotus 123
    Windows had its Office Suite
    Amiga had its video tools

    In general the other OS's seems to have a flagship tool that stands for how the product is primary meant to be used for.

    Linux doesn't seem to have that. Probably mostly because it is heart it is a server OS. So what really probably should be on the list is Apache MySQL PHP Or whatever is more popular at the moment.

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    1. Re:So no killer apps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux users are ecelectic. The beauty of it is that you don't HAVE to use the same application that everyone else is using. The "killer app" is choice.

    2. Re:So no killer apps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that isn't widely used in other platforms.

      It's because most of its tools are OSS, so they get ported to other OS's, so of course they get used on other platforms.

      Blender, VLC, firefox, Thunderbird, rsync, bash, all have been ported across OSs.

      Which is a good thing. Lock-in is for suckers.

    3. Re:So no killer apps. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Killer apps have been ported to different platforms too. Office for the Mac, Photoshop for windows.... And they work quite well, however these apps just don't seem to have the right feel as on their intended original platform.

      Lock-in is for suckers, however the point is what actually makes Linux special other then its licensing agreement?

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    4. Re:So no killer apps. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually this list is rather surprising that there isn't any really popular Linux App, that isn't widely used in other platforms. This list is mostly just rather basic tools for 2018, Web Browser, Video Player, Text editor, and Windows Managers.

      Back in the days. Macintosh had its Adobe Suits for desktop publishing DOS had its word perfect and Lotus 123 Windows had its Office Suite Amiga had its video tools

      In general the other OS's seems to have a flagship tool that stands for how the product is primary meant to be used for.

      Linux doesn't seem to have that. Probably mostly because it is heart it is a server OS. So what really probably should be on the list is Apache MySQL PHP Or whatever is more popular at the moment.

      And Linux has LibreOffice. I've been using it for years for academic writing and creating learning and teaching resources (all my students have Windows or Mac). I haven't used MS Office for years and don't miss it one bit.

      That said, Linux is sorely lacking in decent, productivity oriented multimedia editing software. Adobe still rules the roost in this department and doesn't support Linux and Wine doesn't work well enough with Adobe software. Unfortunately, I still have to dual boot Linux & Windows so that I can do multimedia editing when necessary.

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    5. Re: So no killer apps. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      They have this thing called virtualization now. You should check it out!

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    6. Re:So no killer apps. by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Office for Windows was the port, actually. Though it wasn't an actual port, but a rewrite that was mostly-compatible with documents created on the Mac version.

    7. Re: So no killer apps. by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 2

      You are correct, VMs are quite the thing now, but if I have to run a VM to get work done, I might as well drop the VM and run the real thing instead.

      I *desperately* want to ditch Windows, and I'm willing to live with the compromises Linux brings, to a point, but some programs in Windows just don't have workalikes under Linux, and unfortunately, those are the ones I need Windows for...

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    8. Re: So no killer apps. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      if I have to run a VM to get work done, I might as well drop the VM and run the real thing instead.

      You don't seem to understand this whole VM thing at all.

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    9. Re: So no killer apps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most (all?) video cards virtualize very poorly. Pass-through has other issues. Maybe Adobe multimedia editing software would run well on a virtual machine and maybe it wouldn't.

    10. Re:So no killer apps. by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      Macintosh had its Adobe Suits for desktop publishing

      which was used by what, 1% of the desktop users? That's not how you become popular.

    11. Re: So no killer apps. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      So run Windows and use Linux in a VM. You didn't know that was possible?

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    12. Re: So no killer apps. by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

      Once again, if I have to run it in a VM, I lose performance (maybe a little, maybe a lot) so what's the point? Run it natively, assuming your applications are available.

      I've been running VMs of different sorts (Oracle, VMWare, etc) trying to find the best performance (or more accurately, the least performance loss) recently, and the other poster is correct, GPU passthrough is a real bitch to enable and doesn't always work right from reboot to reboot. I think all adobe applications these days work much better with GPU acceleration, so running them under a VM is a huge problem (for the people who need those applications as part of their daily work.)

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    13. Re: So no killer apps. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      OK. You REALLY don't understand this at all. When you run Windows natively you don't run Adobe in a VM.

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    14. Re:So no killer apps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blackmagic Davinci resolve is available for Linux and free unless you want to unlock the advanced features makes a good alternative to adobe premier pro. https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/davinciresolve/

      Simple editing can be done with openshot https://www.openshot.org/

    15. Re:So no killer apps. by maestroX · · Score: 1

      No killer apps?
      bash & GNU unix cli goodies awk, you name it pipe it, here to serve you over 20 years and counting (still find non-gnu BSD utils clunky from time to time).
      Maybe not visually sexy or anything, but *any* mistake improves knowledge rather than dealing with backwards incompatibility or bugs.

      Fed up with waiting for the Year of the Linux Desktop, instead settling with Mate and enjoying the cli, because that's really fine and able to surprise me after 20+ years of use.

    16. Re:So no killer apps. by StormReaver · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ...Linux is sorely lacking in decent, productivity oriented multimedia editing software.

      I use Kdenlive+Blender for this purpose.

    17. Re:So no killer apps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Linux doesn't seem to have that. Probably mostly because it is heart it is a server OS.

      Retard detected. All the killer apps are open source, so they end up getting ported to other platforms.

    18. Re:So no killer apps. by sanf780 · · Score: 1
      Linux had (and probably still has) its sweet spot at Linux + Apache + MySQL + PHP.

      Some tools that started on Unix moved to Linux. And they are only available in Linux. Just check most of the tools provided by Mentor Graphics, Synopsys and Cadence.

    19. Re: So no killer apps. by Dagger2 · · Score: 1

      Maybe consider GPU passthrough. In my experience it works very nicely and is more or less equivalent to dual boot but without needing to reboot all the time. (Or more accurately: equivalent to having two separate machines, but without needing two machines.)

      When you can switch between Linux and Windows just by pressing a button on a HDMI switcher remote (or alt-tabbing to LookingGlass), it becomes a lot less irritating to use Windows only for the things that require it.

    20. Re:So no killer apps. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I used to work in a Windows shop where I had to do a lot of search and replace on text files. The Windows facility for searching for text within n files in a directory tree recursively is painfully bad. We had a spare PC, and I suggested throwing Ubuntu on it to make this process much easier. The sysadmin nearly blew a gasket in his rant against installing a linux box on 'his' network. I just went ahead and did it in virtualbox, and suddenly had access to grep, awk, sed, etc. So much better. Cygwin existed at the time, but I've always found it more difficult than using the tools in linux.

    21. Re:So no killer apps. by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Linux killer app ? I'd say the lack of viruses. Or ssh: securely login from anywhere without having to install uncontrollable third party programs and then do whatever you want through it: vnc, X11, updates, diagnostics, file transfers (rsync), show mom how to gimp her recipe pictures, etc...

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    22. Re: So no killer apps. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      VMs are great if you've got a high-end or gaming rig laptop. My mid-range laptop's fan starts to sound like a hairdryer after a few minutes.

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    23. Re: So no killer apps. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      So you are saying you don't have the hardware to do decent multimedia editing and aren't about to Shell out the few dollars it takes to obtain it. Yeah ... No software will save you from yourself.

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    24. Re: So no killer apps. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      Sorry, should have been clearer -- I was commenting on using MS Office in a VM.

      BTW, I've manged to burn through a couple of good laptops doing video editing and encoding (it slowly fries the GPU because laptops don't have very effective cooling) in plain Windows and not using a VM. I only do video editing and encoding on desktops now.

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    25. Re: So no killer apps. by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      In that case you asserted earlier that Linux had a problem in general and then switched over to an edge/corner case to prove the software incapable. There is always the caveat that you have decent hardware. With 8GB, or even 4GB RAM, a decent FSB rate, etc. will usually be performant enough.

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  6. Very telling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most popular Linux desktop applications are the desktop GUIs themselves. I notice a distinct lack of useful applications for actually getting work done or entertainment, etc. on Windows or OSX, Iâ(TM)d expect the most popular applications to be Word, PowerPoint, Steam, etc. since a functional desktop is assumed, they can focus on things that matter

    1. Re:Very telling by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      The point for Linux for the desktop is to show that Linux can be used for the Desktop.

      It has been this way from day 1.

      Linux on a personal computer is more of a Workstation OS then a Desktop OS. Outside the server/appliance role Linux is a good OS for software development, and just serious computing tasks.

      Can it work as a desktop, yes, however for the average person why bother? The PC they get has Windows installed by default anyways, and most of their devices they will want on it will indeed work with Windows. Linux for the desktop for people without the need of any Linux's strong point just isn't a good sell. Windows comes free as in beer on the PC anyways.

      That said, I normally switch older hardware to Linux (Built for Windows XP) as it will be updated, and still run at a good speed. And its desktop features are good enough for people to use. But on newer hardware, you might as well stick to Windows, if you are not interested in other OS's

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    2. Re:Very telling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I yanked an old PC out of the closet a few weeks back and decided to make is a useable box with Mint. Easy peasy, Mint installs a runs like a charm. Then I go to install a wireless USB network adapter and find drivers are not supported. Googled and tried a few 'solutions' but to no avail. I switched with another USB adapter I had lying around and it work, less AC capability. So fine, I can live with that. Then I next go to add my Dell laser printer. But no driver. So I Googled and tried a few 'solutions' to custom install/build a driver but to no avail, I wind up with printer telling me there are data errors.

      All that took way too much effort. My problem is I don't like to give up and keep on trying. This new "PC" I've set up has been nothing more than a lesson in Linux limitations as a popular desktop.

    3. Re:Very telling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would someone mainly use an office suite for private use (just type the damn letters in you MUA)? And I don't think professional desktop users running Linux have a great need for them either. And steam: don't think there are many dedicated gamers running Linux, sure the games I like are available (stuff like EU4, Civ) and my desktop boots to Linux by default to play them, but about half of my steam library is MS Windows(tm) only.

    4. Re:Very telling by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      You experience is not uncommon. However trying to get windows working on an older PC, often has similar problems.
      Being that you are trying to put a newer version a system, there may be things that you may not be able to get drivers anymore for. A google search finds that that particular driver isn't supported on the version of Windows. And links to the old windows version is gone. This is common with a lot of older Win-Devices. where the PC and the driver do all the heavy work, and the device itself is rather basic, A printer not dealing with PCL or PostScript but just raw commands to get the paper, and draw what and where... If you can get the driver it works, if not, you are SOL.

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    5. Re:Very telling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the devices I referred to are relatively new, with no effort plug and play installation of drivers on Windows 7 and 10. Actually, the wireless adaptor that worked was an older one. The age of the PC is not an issue. All PC hardware runs just fine, 64 bit Mint runs splendidly.

    6. Re:Very telling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please explain how your woes are in any way related to Linux, and not you being a dumbass.

      I see you'd rather make the assumption I am a dumbass because it makes you feel better. The manufacturer of the USB adapter has specific Linus driver instructions on its site. The printer is a popular model and there are instructions on the web where people have gotten that particular model to work.

      Both devices work fine, plug and play, with both Windows 7 and Windows 10.

      I am sorry that your assumptions are completely baseless and wrong. Something a 'dumbass' might do.. right?

    7. Re:Very telling by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I got an Epson printer and quickly found out they don't make drivers for linux either.

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    8. Re:Very telling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I didn't call you a dumbass. I asked how your problems were related to Linux, and not you being a dumbass. BTW, I probably should have put that in a better way, "dumbass" was used in the sense were you do a whole lot of stupid things because you don't know better. You're being dumb, but it's not really your fault.

      You are not trying to use compatible hardware. You're using some random crap you've found in a closet, and then found some random drivers on some manufacturers web page. That's not how it works. You use hardware which has in-tree drivers. Try using some random, semi-proprietary drivers found on some web-page, and all bets are off. Again, this isn't Windows.

      Whether the devices works "fine" with Windows version X or Y is really neither here nor there. There are always different cases when it comes to specifics, but by far the most frequent case when you find some piece of hardware which doesn't work under Linux is either that the device is a POS that nobody bothered writing a driver for, other than the OEM who made a quick buck on unsuspecting Windows users, or that it's some kind of proprietary hardware manufactured by some open source hostile OEM. In both these cases it's extremely likely that you get a driver with it when you buy it which is never updated and breaks at the next major update of Windows. There are entire landfills full of old printers, modems and similar which has been thrown away because there is no working drivers for them for any relevant version of Windows. As such, your attempt at pinning your failure to "Linux" can't be described as anything but "a failure". It really doesn't have anything to do with Linux, but poor acquisitions policies on your part.

      As for the printer, well.. If others have succeeded and you have not, how is this the fault of "Linux"? Logic fail.

      It's pretty obvious that you don't have a clue what your doing, so I'll end up with an advice for you. I have no idea what distribution you've been playing with, but I recommend trying opensuse. No, it's not a "you should use distro X, Y sucks". SUSE has "yast". Yast is probably your best shot at getting things going, it will assist you in setting up your printer, NICS, sound-card etc, as long as the drivers are available, without having to dig into heaps and heaps of config files.

  7. vi is clearly the best by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Since TFA brought it up I can't wait for an evidence-based, rational discussion on the best text editor for Linux.

    1. Re:vi is clearly the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Nice. A vi vs. emacs flame war in 2018.

      What a time to be alive!

    2. Re:vi is clearly the best by ranton · · Score: 1

      Since TFA brought it up I can't wait for an evidence-based, rational discussion on the best text editor for Linux.

      Hasn't Sublime basically made the vi / emacs debate a moot point?

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    3. Re:vi is clearly the best by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nice. A vi vs. emacs flame war in 2018.

      We should compromise, and just run a vi emulator inside emacs.

    4. Re:vi is clearly the best by Octorian · · Score: 4, Informative

      The editor wars kinda annoy me, because it really isn't somewhere that we need absolutes.
      For me, the "best editor" really depends on what it is that I'm editing. The best editor for configuration files may not be the best editor for source code. The best editor for a bunch of related files may not be the best editor for a single one-off file or scratch editing of a text snippet. Likewise, the best editor in a GUI might not be the same as the best editor in a terminal window.

    5. Re:vi is clearly the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hasn't Sublime basically made the vi / emacs debate a moot point?

      No editor which is neither vi nor emacs can do that.

      There is the one true editor, and that evil thing which is emacs. ;-)

      Everything else is a bystander and doesn't count.

      The funniest thing I ever saw was an emacs guy on a locked down Solaris workstation who whined incessantly that if only he had emacs he'd have a mode for this. Too bad, learn to use vi, because you are guaranteed every UNIX on the planet has it.

      You aren't guaranteed that with emacs.

    6. Re:vi is clearly the best by sconeu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Back in the early '80s, I learned ed because that was the one editor guaranteed to be on EVERY F***ING UNIX BOX, even if it was one of the oddball x86 clones.

      Similarly for DOS, I learned EDLIN (this was pre DOS 5 and EDIT) for the same reason.

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    7. Re:vi is clearly the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EDLIN is for n00bs.

      I learned to code C with ed. It sucked so hard.

    8. Re:vi is clearly the best by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      ed is the Unix text editor.

    9. Re:vi is clearly the best by krisbrowne42 · · Score: 1

      That idea is just E.V.I.L.

    10. Re:vi is clearly the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It annoys me because both vi and emacs suck for different reasons. There only real advantage is universality and stability, whereas the vastly superior alternatives often die from lack of support or get "upgraded" into uselessness over time.

    11. Re:vi is clearly the best by hankwang · · Score: 0

      Emacs for all of them, except in the terminal, in which case it's "emacs -nw". :)

      In the old days when emacs meant "eight megabytes and constantly swapping" I would use lightweight emacs clones (jove, jed, jmacs) occasionally, but who cares about 8 MB today?

      OK, an exception is web stuff with mixed javascript/php/html. Emacs sucks for that. (I solve that by avoiding that kind of work.)

    12. Re:vi is clearly the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back when EDLIN was relevant, you couldn't assume it was "on" a computer. You had to have the right floppy inserted.

    13. Re:vi is clearly the best by Octorian · · Score: 1

      "Universality" was *the* reason I originally forced myself to learn how to use vi.
      If I tried to use any random UNIX machine of any era, it was the only editor I could consistently depend on as always being there. (assuming I could run a full-screen editor, of course)

    14. Re:vi is clearly the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best editor for me was one that came with the installation.
      Personally I liked nano - but it didn't come with half the installations.
      I only learned vi because it came with every distro.

    15. Re:vi is clearly the best by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      So the obvious choice is to then pair a decent text editor like vi with a good operating system like emacs.

    16. Re:vi is clearly the best by subk · · Score: 2

      That idea is just E.V.I.L.

      (E)macs (VI) (L)ayer

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    17. Re:vi is clearly the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, Sublime was tried and found lacking (for me). Big vi/vim fan because it works almost on every *nix system since 1970, but now in the GUI era, gedit was good until ...yeah, that "new" look interface. I'm between pluma and xed (gedit revived) at this time.

    18. Re:vi is clearly the best by Trogre · · Score: 1

      vi is utter shit and should never be inflicted on anyone.

      vim, however, is editing perfected.

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    19. Re:vi is clearly the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My modUp was for the signature.

    20. Re:vi is clearly the best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh same here, except I never grew to like vi, only to tolerate it and not swear too loudly when I had to use it (ie all the freakin time). It just annoyed me that basically every other system I used and had ever used, from my 8-bit early 80s micro through dos to windows and even my home linux pc, had a tolerable editor but all the unix machines at uni seemed needlessly stuck with such utter rubbish.

  8. KDE Plasma? by old_skul · · Score: 2

    Saying KDE Plasma is the most popular app is like saying that Explorer is the most popular app on Windows. While technically true, it's also the default, and you can't really use the OS without it. Could you use other window managers? Sure, but I'm not sure a window manager counts as an app.

    1. Re:KDE Plasma? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Desktop Environment of the Year - Plasma Desktop (KDE) (27.83%)"

      Did you actually read the entire line? Did you expect LibreOffice to be listed on that entry? My 2 cents is Cinnamon is my DE of choice.

    2. Re:KDE Plasma? by quantaman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Saying KDE Plasma is the most popular app is like saying that Explorer is the most popular app on Windows. While technically true, it's also the default, and you can't really use the OS without it. Could you use other window managers? Sure, but I'm not sure a window manager counts as an app.

      It actually is a bit of a surprise, the major distros tend to offer Gnome as the default.

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    3. Re:KDE Plasma? by sandoval88419 · · Score: 1

      Indeed ! It is a signal to distros that GNOME should not be the default DE. It shouldn't even be included by distros. For instance Debian installer shouldn't offer GNOME as a choice of DEs to install.

    4. Re:KDE Plasma? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saying KDE Plasma is the most popular app is like saying that Explorer is the most popular app on Windows. While technically true, it's also the default, and you can't really use the OS without it. Could you use other window managers? Sure, but I'm not sure a window manager counts as an app.

      You can't use Windows without Explorer, but you can certainly use Linux without KDE.

    5. Re:KDE Plasma? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saying KDE Plasma is the most popular app is like saying that Explorer is the most popular app on Windows. While technically true, it's also the default ...

      Gnome is the default for Fedora, not KDE. Same for Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, CentOS, and OpenSuse. All of which are top 10 distributions.

    6. Re:KDE Plasma? by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

      Most popular App on windows...explorer.exe !!!!

    7. Re:KDE Plasma? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      KDE Plasma is not default on most distributions so your argument doesn't make sense.

      I was surprised to see Xfce, GNOME, Plasma and Cinnamon listed as popular choices, but not MATE. MATE offers better performance than GNOME or Cinnamon and tends to be offered on par with other major desktops.

    8. Re:KDE Plasma? by hierofalcon · · Score: 1

      Just because it is the default doesn't mean it is the most popular. Fedora and the rest offer the major desktops either in spins or in packages. I download a KDE spin. That was painful a while back while plasma was first coming out and I switched to lxde and mate for awhile, but plasma has stabilized and I'm back to KDE.

      GNOME, on the other hand (along with the wayland backend) has just gone through its painful next iteration, so it isn't surprising that it isn't as heavily favored right now. Perhaps in a while, once things have stabilized it will be back on top. Not for me, but for the majority of Fedora, RHEL, CentOS users who are content to have all their choices removed or hidden by their GNOME masters and have desktops that look like phones.

    9. Re:KDE Plasma? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should a Linux distro drop a choice?

      Change the default sure, but some people might still like GNOME, for some reason.

    10. Re:KDE Plasma? by brickhouse98 · · Score: 1

      This is one of the dumbest things I've read lately. Shouldn't even be an option? Do you understand what Linux is? FFS

    11. Re:KDE Plasma? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think GP meant 'as default'. If I'm not mistaken 'Debian desktop' in the latest debian installer means GNOME desktop, but yeah users can choose other DE from the installer.

  9. KDE by Tailhook · · Score: 4, Informative

    KDE has earned these results. For years now KDE development has been thoughtful and conservative; no iconoclasts have been permitted to blow up everything in another doomed attempt to reinvent the desktop. Small but crucial things have survived incessant pressure from well meaning but short sighted people, such as the fact that you can still turn off fucking compositing. I hope they can stick to this pattern for a few more years and continue earning trust.

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    1. Re:KDE by Octorian · · Score: 1

      I only wish that KDE wasn't universally shunned by most of the major Linux distro players, and thus relegated to second-class status.

      That being said, a big part of why I use Fedora over Ubuntu on my home desktop, is that Fedora does a much better job with their KDE build. (even if the top-down attitudes aren't that different)

    2. Re:KDE by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      is that Fedora does a much better job with their KDE build.

      I've found Kubuntu is working well in recent releases. I plan on committing to 18.04 LTS for many years when it appears in April. I've tested Kubuntu 17.10 thoroughly and I haven't found anything that disappoints me except maybe the still young GUI package manager, a low priority issue given apt. This is relative to my experience with OpenSUSE KDE which has been the most polished KDE distro since forever.

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    3. Re:KDE by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Does synaptic run under KDE? Or does it have to drag in a full gig or so of dependencies?

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    4. Re:KDE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I only wish that KDE wasn't universally shunned by most of the major Linux distro players

      Yeah, there's a reason for that. Because KDE performance is sub-par. I can't think of a slower, more resource hogging DE. Can you?

    5. Re:KDE by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. KDE is neither fat nor slow. However it needs 3D acceleration these days so it won't work well without it, e.g. on frambruffer video.

    6. Re:KDE by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Man, wait until you hear about OpenSuse.

    7. Re:KDE by Octorian · · Score: 1

      You mean the distro I ditched years ago, because every day around 4pm it would randomly decide to completely hog my system resources? Or the distro I ditched because its package manager took so long to initialize that it was faster to download and compile the friggin source code to something? Or the distro that used to be a big KDE holdout, until they decided to also throw in the towel and join the Gnome camp?

    8. Re:KDE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ditched it because I couldn't appear to install dependencies easily. It was nice that it could tell me what dependencies were required - but having to find and install them on-by-one was painfully tedious.
      I always end going back to Debian, because at least package management was easy.

    9. Re:KDE by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Was that before or after zypper? Because zypper and Open Build Services have given OpenSuse new life. I used to end up switching systems to ubuntu or debian for package support, but almost everything is in OpenSuse now. Although I can't get the damn spotify client to work...

      I vaguely remember Suse Defaulting to gnome for one release, but KDE and gnome are both options now. KDE is very polished.

    10. Re:KDE by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      Actually it works fine without a GPU. You just have to turn off desktop effects (which you won't miss; they provide nothing of value) and turn off compositing. With that stuff off KDE is efficient, even over remote protocols like VNC. KDE and Mint are the two full featured non-"lightweight" desktop environments available today that you can tune to run well over remote connections, primarily because you can turn off compositing.

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    11. Re:KDE by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      Bit of a false dichotomy there; it runs fine and it pulls in an avalanche of dependencies. Up to you to decide if it's worth the space, but it runs fine.

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    12. Re:KDE by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      Mint

      I meant MATE.

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    13. Re:KDE by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Bad phrasing on my part, but thanks.

      Is there a KDE apt front end?

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    14. Re:KDE by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      I've been using synaptic with kubuntu for many years, it's my primary package manager. Installation of it went quick on my slow connection when I set up my new PC a couple months ago, so it can't have many dependencies.

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    15. Re:KDE by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      It runs great on my 6 year old low-end PC. Are you trying to install KDE on a 386?

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    16. Re:KDE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since years KDE's package manager is called Muon.
      There is also a Muon Discoverer for those that need pretty pictures but it is less useful.

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    17. Re:KDE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So much fail. I guess you're living in your parents basement still, since you did go outside once, and the weather was bad?

      First of all, no computer, apart from Windows starts hogging your system randomly. Your problem sounds like an ill-considered cron job, who knows, or even cares. I've used opensuse since there only was SUSE. Never seen that behaviour.

      Yes. Package management used to be painful, but since the arrival of zypper, which happened several years ago, things have been pretty smooth sailing. It certainly made yum seem hopeless and I would even consider apt slower these days.

      OpenSUSE defaults to KDE these days, and have done so for years. The retarded GNOME-dipshits managed to infect the management to the point where they tried to force the issue. Guess what? The customers were not happy. Last time I checked they were still on GNOME for the SUSE Enterprise Server, but apparently that's set to change with the next release since nobody really wants the GNOME turd.

    18. Re:KDE by Dasher42 · · Score: 1

      I agree. I've used KDE 5 for three years solid as my near-exclusive desktop for work and home use. Its consistency in applying keyboard shortcuts and other customizations, its detailed power management profiles that can shift with the Activities, its solid performance over time makes up for the occasional visual clunkiness. I've made an environment that approximates to Unity and MacOS on it, and it's comfortable even as I upgrade to new Fedora releases or transplant the SDD into other machines. KDE deserves more credit than it's gotten. It deserves to be front and center on more distributions.

    19. Re:KDE by kleinesRaedchen · · Score: 1

      KDE has earned these results. For years now KDE development has been thoughtful and conservative; no iconoclasts have been permitted to blow up everything in another doomed attempt to reinvent the desktop.

      I'm a KDE user myself but do not share this opinion entirely. Some years ago the Kontact suite including the popular Kmail client was made unusable by a well-intended but badly designed backend. Akonadi, Nepomuk, Strigi, Baloo drove flocks of users away from Kontact and even KDE.

    20. Re:KDE by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      Akonadi, Nepomuk, Strigi, Baloo drove flocks of users away from Kontact and even KDE.

      Indeed they did. This stuff was a large setback for KDE, perhaps as bad as the early 4.x releases. At one point there was an entire MySQL database instance hidden in $HOME. Pretty unbelievable. Users became adept at disabling that stuff. I've never used the Kontact suite; Thunderbird and other tools sufficing independently, so once I had Akonadi and Nepomuk shut down the rest of the DE worked great for me. I believe this is how almost everyone that stuck with KDE dealt with the problem. Akonadi and Nepomuk are both gone in 5.x; KDE did eventually recognize the problems with these components and acted appropriately.

      I've never had any struggles with Strigi or Baloo and they don't appear to be generating a large number of complaints.

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  10. "Popular" doesn't mean "Better" by darkain · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Simple as this, "Popular" doesnt mean something is "Better", it just means it is more widely used and marketed. Marketing isn't just for selling products, it is also a way to influence others to be in agreeable with you on a particular idea. In this case, it is the marketing of "use my free software because..." and whoever has the loudest, furthest reaching voice generally wins.

    For one huge example, the list has text editors. Emacs? Vim? Nano? And we're talking about desktop distributions? Hands down, none of those compare to the quality of Sublime Text as a text editor.

    As others have pointed out in this post already, there isn't any "killer apps" for Linux out there. So the software being ran is all console software with a prettified multi-tasking window manager to organize all of those console windows. This seems to be the current mindset of all Linux is really used for in the desktop space.

    1. Re:"Popular" doesn't mean "Better" by Octorian · · Score: 1

      Emacs? Vim? Nano? And we're talking about desktop distributions? Hands down, none of those compare to the quality of Sublime Text as a text editor.

      Sublime Text is a commercial product, which will always put it at a huge disadvantage in overall popularity in the Linux world.

      There are a lot of people who primarily use Linux because it (and everything on it) is free, with all other factors secondary. (Though they'll tend to deny it if you say it to their face.)

      That being said, the two most used applications (that I paid real money for) on my Linux desktop are Sublime Text and Beyond Compare.
      I'm also one of those rare folks who would gladly pay real money for a Linux distro if it got me some extra polish and the benefits of being able to license bits (rather than exclude them in the name of F/OSS purism).

    2. Re:"Popular" doesn't mean "Better" by Plugh · · Score: 1

      Very true. Marketing all too often trumps good technical design. For example, Beta beat VHS because pr0n was on VHS. For another example, Dash is out-marketing lots of cryptocurrencies that are actually scalable like Ripple or actually private like Monero. One of these days someone using Dash "privatesend" is going to jail.

    3. Re: "Popular" doesn't mean "Better" by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Yes. I remember the KDE and vim adds during the Super Bowl, and did you see the halftime Tux the Penguin nipple Slip? You just know Clippy did that shit on purpose!

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    4. Re:"Popular" doesn't mean "Better" by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Sublime Text? Come on... all of the cool kids are using Atom now. Atom has so damn many development plugins that it feels more like an IDE once you're done customizing it.

    5. Re:"Popular" doesn't mean "Better" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most will tell you, in person, they use free software because it costs nothing.
      The odds of any of us randomly meeting someone that uses source code to fix a problem of theirs or even has the ability are exceedingly small.

      Even in the Linux user world where that fraction is magnified it’s a tiny fraction.

      The deniers are only sitting next to us in this forum, but far apart in real life. I’m IN that minority, but I see it for what it is. It’s neat, but most people would not pay extra for the source to a commercial product they use. I might, but I’d use it for debugging not ever to run some homemade patch hack job at work. At home... for free... sure. But that admitting this is all just a hobby.

    6. Re:"Popular" doesn't mean "Better" by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Atom is pretty nifty, but even without the development plugins its already as bloated as a full-blown IDE. It's basically written in Javascript, and runs on top of Chromium. Which is all kinds of crazy.

      Though I suppose I shouldn't say too much, after trying to learn how to use vimscript.

  11. Used to like VLC... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But I have since moved to SMPlayer for video. The video quality is night and day better through mplayer. Has a lot of CLI options for streaming too.

  12. In my day by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    You kids don't know how lucky you got it. When I was coming up, we didn't have any fancy Linux to use.

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    1. Re:In my day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't have Linux either, but I had Commodore Amiga. Shame Commodore messed that up in the end.

  13. KDE is a great desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use both KDE and XFCE, and they are both great in their own way.

    KDE gets my nod for the best current desktop on any OS. It is not perfect, no, so it's easy to point out problems with it. Still when you compare it with the alternatives, t's miles ahead. It is one of the only modern desktops that hasn't jumped down the "remove all user configuration so users don't confuse themselves" hole that seems to be the trending design for any and all software now. And unlike recent Windows, KDE Is not primarily spyware, nor is it trying to remove control of the computer from the user.

    I use KDE when I want a more capable environment, and XFCE for lighter weight situations like low end hardware, VMS, and dedicated media PCs. LXQT is good for that too.

  14. Firefox vs. Chrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd guess that ffox is preinstalled in more of omnibus desktop packages of the common Linux distros, compared to Chrome. As the world found out 20 years ago, users are lazy and tend to stick with the browser, mail client, etc. that comes with their OS, as long as it's full featured (i.e. not Konqueror).

    Apart from that, I find Firefox slightly less annoying than Chrome in the tendency of both to hide useful functionality (bookmarks, privacy controls such as deleting cookies) in favor of the minimalist UX favored by the hipsters.

  15. Just itself by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's true, Unix has never had a 'killer app': the 'killer app' was always Unix.

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    1. Re:Just itself by jwhyche · · Score: 2

      It's true, Unix has never had a 'killer app': the 'killer app' was always Unix.

      Yeah, I got to agree with this. Linux, and therefor unix, has lots of programs and applications. Outside of games and if you are willing to put up with its little quirks, you can work linux into a office environment.

      But generally speaking when I need to get any real work done. I usually toss aside the gui and open a vt100 window. An 90% of the time us use nothing but command line tools that come with the OS to get work done.

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    2. Re:Just itself by tsa · · Score: 1

      Unix' killer apps are bash and sh.

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    3. Re:Just itself by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

      sh I might grant you, but Bash is only notable because the previous shells were intolerably bad. Bash does not have typed variables, or named parameters, or classes. Its array syntax is bizarre, its conditional operator is an external program with a required last argument of ']', and it's not even all that good about parsing command line parameters. The entire Unix toolchain is extremely effective; Bash qua Bash is exceedingly primitive, and if it were a new language introduced today, no one would ever use it, let alone develop tooling around it.

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    4. Re:Just itself by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      But what work are you talking about?

      For me it means designing and simulating circuits, or developing firmware and apps. The basic command line stuff that comes with the OS isn't great for that. Does it even include a text mode PCB layout tool?

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  16. Pre selected software? by houghi · · Score: 1

    When I install by default, it gives me VLC. So if you are a new user, that is what you learn to use and that is what you will prefer. I still like MPlayer as that is what I started with. The same goes with vim instead of nano.

    The same goes with the fact that Firefox is still installed by default. I still have it on my machine, but now use Chrome.I use it to see if it a site does not display how I expect it to display and see if it is the site or the browser. Till now always the site.

    It would be nice to know what the least pre-selected software is or what the first is that people remove.

    Just as an exte: I use XFCE, because each time you start KDE, a puppy is killed and each time you start GNOME they kill a kitten. True!

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    1. Re:Pre selected software? by Gort65 · · Score: 1

      Just as an exte: I use XFCE, because each time you start KDE, a puppy is killed and each time you start GNOME they kill a kitten. True!

      While each time XFCE is used, a mouse is slaughtered. Poor mice.

      Saying that, my Linux install regularly kills mice.

    2. Re:Pre selected software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely a fan of Xfce myself.

      I have a Lubuntu core2 laptop (originally shipped with Windows XP) running Xfce on Lubuntu.

      I have since max'd the RAM and put an SSD in it, but the thing boots in about 20 seconds and does everything I need.

      Runs Chrome and streams Netflix without an issue.

  17. ^ this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WindowMaker imho is still one of the best bare window managers (especially if you have dockapps covering your needed sensors/system info and workflow) and e17 (.3, later versions 0.18.0 broke/removed features. .3 has glitchy window ordering however.) plus a subset of kde and dbus compatible apps makes it quite a pleasant work environment, if not quite the 'plug and play' expectation windows/mac convertees expect.

  18. Server Distribution by morcego · · Score: 1

    CentOS is nothing more than a free version of RedHat. So, as far as "popularity" goes, they should be counted together. Just like one is bundling up different versions of the same distribution.

    That would give us:
    RedHat EL (+CentOS) = 33.34%
    Slackware = 22.40%

    PS: Oracle could also be grouped with RedHat and CentOS, but no one care because no one uses it anyway :)
    PS2: Considering the very low total number of votes (366) and the different in votes between CentOS and Slackware, statistically speaking, even if you disconsider RHEL, those two are tied in at 80 and 82 votes each.

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    1. Re:Server Distribution by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Even if Slackware made 2nd place, that's pretty huge.

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  19. Why are Linux users so against IDEs? by Master5000 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, can somebody explain to me how can you use vim and say that is better than Visual Studio with the resharper plugin? VS completely destroys every IDE available in the free software world by far. How can you use vim in 2018?

    1. Re:Why are Linux users so against IDEs? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Because vim:

      1. Runs natively on linux
      2. doesn't require a net connection (if you're using Visual Studio Online, which I understand is the only way to use it on Linux)
      3. Isn't a fucking resource pig

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    2. Re:Why are Linux users so against IDEs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Visual studio does not run on Linux. It's totally non-functional.

      Why would one use closed source tools to develop open source software?

      Why would I want to become dependent on the product of a corporation in a foreign country?

      Source code is basically text. If you know what you are doing why do you need more than a text editor?

      How can anyone use Visual Studio in 2018? Did they not learn from the lessons of the past?

      Having said all that. I love MS Visual Studio Code. Open source, cross-platform. Great.

    3. Re:Why are Linux users so against IDEs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pshaw -- Eclipse blows VS out of the water.

    4. Re: Why are Linux users so against IDEs? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Vim understands and properly syntax highlights Linux config files and bash scripts. That is just one of oh so many reasons.

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    5. Re:Why are Linux users so against IDEs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Happy kdevelop linux user here, linux does also have IDEs.

    6. Re:Why are Linux users so against IDEs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not aware that they are against them. I like them, unless I'm editing a file quickly. Just not Visual Studio.

      Sometimes, though, it's easier to use some combination of find, grep, and a loop over a set of files, sed some parts (or use Python to achieve this cross platform), and a quick edit in vim. It's the sort of thing you can do in an IDE too - if you can work out HOW in that particular IDE.

    7. Re:Why are Linux users so against IDEs? by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      I write software, which is just a series of text files. I don't need much more than a text editor and my own wits.

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    8. Re:Why are Linux users so against IDEs? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Why would I want to become dependent on the product of a corporation in a foreign country?

      Because you're not a xenophobic nationalist?

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    9. Re:Why are Linux users so against IDEs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Free software is important.

      There's the Eclipse IDE, though.

      That said, once you have enough skills, IDEs get in the way. Think of UNIX as one *huge* IDE instead.

    10. Re:Why are Linux users so against IDEs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, all right, why would I want to become dependent on a single corporation even if it were in my own country?

      Are you suggesting that if one is not a xenophobic nationalist then one would want to become dependent on a single vendor?

      Makes no sense to me.
         

    11. Re:Why are Linux users so against IDEs? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Well, all right, why would I want to become dependent on a single corporation even if it were in my own country?

      Agreed. You can't trust a corporation. I was going to say something flippant like "You can only trust a corporation to make money". But I realized that you can't even trust them to make money, Sometimes they blow up out of stupidity and leave users stranded. (Commodore Amiga still stings for some decades later)

      Most of the time when you "buy" software you're only paying for the right to use it temporarily. It seems that without fail the software loses compatibility with libraries and operating systems and eventually hardware.

      Having used and contributed to open source projects. I have seen free software go off into the weeds on occasion, as the people steering it can be idiots or not care about the end users. And the scale of a large project means as an individual I can't realistically fork it and maintain it myself. Eventually to get the software I want I have to pay a company, trust some group of people, or form my own group of people.

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  20. The most popular Linux program by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The most popular linux program, desktop or otherwise, is "/bin/login"

    1. Re:The most popular Linux program by CronoCloud · · Score: 0

      you mean "/usr/lib/systemd/systemd-logind" on most modern Linux systems.

    2. Re:The most popular Linux program by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      /bin/login is not normally used if your using X for your display manager (GDM, xdm, LightDM, etc). /bin/login is probably launched and remains idle for days at a time on most systems.

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  21. Wood and Formica by argee · · Score: 2, Funny

    I made my own desktop. Two epoxy-glued layers of 3/4 inch plywood, covered and edged with off-white formica. It is supported by 2-drawer file cabinets. Size is 8 ft wide and 3 ft deep. I have 2x4 reinforcements underneath the top. Holes in the back for cables. It is a solid thing you can jump on. From Amazon I got a pull-out drawer unit for pencils, and some other bric-a-brac. I have a keyboard hutch, and the monitor used to be on top of the hutch, but now is on an arm from the wall. I like this desktop, rugged, custom and ample enough to do work, including soldering up things from time to time. www.xalaska.com Nome, Alaska, USA

    1. Re:Wood and Formica by DaveM753 · · Score: 1

      I got a pull-out drawer unit for pencils

      Soooooo...... not using vi or emacs, then...

  22. Where is an AMD-based linux laptop vendor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I couldn't vote for a laptop vendor this year, because when I looked at all of them, none of them pretty much, had AMD processors. My AMD based laptop is getting pretty old and I'm seeing they are harder to find these days.

    I don't want to try Dell/HP/Lenovo because generally, the Linux model is hard to find, very expensive, or large workstation class. But still, the AMD versions have been disappearing. I think System76 or zareason had one, but not now either.

    Please, US-based vendor, if anyone knows.

    1. Re:Where is an AMD-based linux laptop vendor by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Why do you think AMD is really the best choice for a laptop? I don't think this should be a subjective decision.

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    2. Re:Where is an AMD-based linux laptop vendor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I said nothing like that. Why turn this into a subjective discussion? I was only asking for information. I have enough Intel based laptops here. You would think with more linux vendors today, choice would go up. But there are less AMD-Linux choices today, which is why I asked for options.

  23. No productivity apps by Hasaf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As you noted, Libre Office wasn't even on the list. Even in the article the most popular were computer management apps and no mention of productivity apps.

    This is a large part of the reason I stopped using Linux on the desktop. When the computer was the ends, rather than the means, it was great. However, at this point in my life, the computer is the means, not the ends. When I just need to get work done, Linux just isn't the tool.

    1. Re:No productivity apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an office suit I use Softmaker Office.
      It is not Open Source but I don't mind paying for something useful, yes it is much better than LibreOffice.

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    2. Re:No productivity apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, at this point in my life, the computer is the means, not the ends. When I just need to get work done, Linux just isn't the tool.

      Rubbish. I use GNU/Linux daily for academic, professional, and personal use without ever needing to use Microsoft Windows. If an academic course requires Microsoft Windows it is a sure sign of an ill-conceive lesson plan and curriculum. That said, since I paid for a copy of Microsoft Windows when I bought my latest computer, I chose to replace it with Xubuntu Linux and install Microsoft Windows as a virtual machine instance via Oracle VirtualBox.

    3. Re:No productivity apps by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 2

      However, at this point in my life, the computer is the means, not the ends. When I just need to get work done, Linux just isn't the tool.

      Rubbish. I use GNU/Linux daily for academic, professional, and personal use without ever needing to use Microsoft Windows. If an academic course requires Microsoft Windows it is a sure sign of an ill-conceive lesson plan and curriculum. That said, since I paid for a copy of Microsoft Windows when I bought my latest computer, I chose to replace it with Xubuntu Linux and install Microsoft Windows as a virtual machine instance via Oracle VirtualBox.

      LibreOffice's support for MS Office file formats is pretty good. It's usually only when a new version of MS Office has just come out, you know, when they deliberately break backward compatibility, that problems arise. But those issues arise for MS Office users too.

      BTW, Zotero https://www.zotero.org/, the FOSS academic bibliography and citations manager, works much better with LibreOffice than with MS Office :)

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  24. Why not a link straight to the results? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-news-59/2017-linuxquestions-org-members-choice-award-winners-4175623289/

  25. If Irfanview would only port to Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instant #1 graphics view/editor. Oh well. /sigh

    1. Re:If Irfanview would only port to Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't IrfanView coded in VB6? Or maybe it was C++ with MFC. It's been around since at least 2001. Assuming that the code hasn't been ported to .NET, it would be non-trivial to port. Might be why it's not being ported to Linux.

      Also, at least 1/3 of the utility of IrfanView is all the plugins you can use to import/export into the various odd formats - you'd lose those as well.

      For those strolling down memory lane, ACDSee was also a nice image viewer in the Windows 95/98 era, and before that cshow.exe (DOS days). ACDSee was nice, but only for viewing images. I found IrfanView after needing to convert a bunch of website images from to GIF to PNG, thanks to the LZW patent.

    2. Re:If Irfanview would only port to Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Years ago I took out an Irfanview licence because I was so happy with it.
      But when I changed full time to Linux there was no more need, Gwenview with KIPI plugins is a very nice viewer and for fancier editing it can call up Showfoto.

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    3. Re:If Irfanview would only port to Linux... by LesFerg · · Score: 1

      Hasn't somebody made a GUI based BASIC thats nearly equivalent to VB6?
      Can't remember the name or if they made it free, but I remember shuddering at the prospects of people madly writing VB6-like apps for Linux.

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  26. Not even close to a scientific poll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Look at the actual numeric breakdown deeper on the forums. We're talking about a couple hundred votes per category. To suggest that this is representative of 550,000 members, let alone all Linux users, is ludicrous. Nothing about this is a scientific poll, nor is is particularly "hotly contested."

    1. Re:Not even close to a scientific poll by skids · · Score: 2

      Yeah, essentially we now know what is most popular among a handful of bored or zealous users.

      The Debian Popularity Contest automatic rolling poll has package-level info on a couple hundred thousand systems. Of course systems != users and monitoring the atime of a file overcounts things that get run automatically on occasion (e.g. if some application isn't complying with Debian standards and opens nano or vim instead of the system's "sensible-editor" default, it would affect those results even if the user hates said editor.) And you have to find all the different flavors/major versions to get a complete count on a package. But still, a much more robust data set

  27. Re:vi I have a soft spot for microemacs by shoor · · Score: 1

    Back in the 80s, the only semi-decent editor I could use on my atari 520-ST was Microemacs. My day job was working with Unix so I was familiar with vi (and even ed), and I'd tried emacs, though it usually brought the computers of those days to their knees.

    I liked microemacs (or uemacs as I called it). And when computers became powerful enough to run emacs, I'd use emacs as though it were microemacs. There probably are better editors out there, but my fingers know the commands of those old guys and what's more, I like keeping my fingers on the keyboard when I work, not having to reach for the mouse.

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  28. Problem with text/code editors by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

    I have recently moved my main machine to Linux (long-time Windows user until that moment, only relying on Linux for secondary computers) and one of the few difficulties has been finding a proper replacement for Notepad++. Finally, I found a quite good alternative: Komodo Edit. I don't like too much the most common/famous Linux text editors.

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    1. Re:Problem with text/code editors by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 1

      As posted above checkout Geany... I too like notepad++ but Geany works equally well in both environments (Linux and Windows). You will need to download the plugin packages to get things like "highlight all instances of variable when i click on it" feature.

    2. Re:Problem with text/code editors by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      checkout Geany.

      I am quite happy with Komodo Edit, but will do some tests with Geany at some point anyway. Thanks for the tip.

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    3. Re:Problem with text/code editors by LesFerg · · Score: 1

      I was going to mention Komodo Edit, I used it for a while a few years back and liked it a lot.
      These days I use Geany, mainly because it is easier to install from the package manager whereas Komodo Edit would require me to download a file and read install instructions. heh.

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    4. Re:Problem with text/code editors by CustomSolvers2 · · Score: 1

      to download a file and read install instructions

      Up to you. The whole downloading/installation process is quite easy. In fact, I found and started using it by pure accident; my original intention was trying Komodo (fee-based IDE), but couldn't refrain myself from clicking on the Komodo Edit download button including a shiny "free" label :)

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  29. indirect linking by Mozai · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Why did you link to ZDnet, instead of linking to the source at LinuxQuestions?

  30. Re:Used to like VLC...The good thing about mplayer by shoor · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I use vlc a lot. But mplayer let's you skip ahead or backwards from the keyboard. The side arrows are short skips, the up and down arrows are bigger skips, and page up and page down are even bigger skips. When I'm searching for something, or skipping over commercials, that's really nice.

    VLC is the best implementation overall though. Changing aspect ratio, reading subtitles, all those kinds of things work best in vlc.

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  31. Geany No debate... by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 1

    Geany is the best editor.

    For one thing it works on Window and Linux equally well. With plugins (download the bundle) I have everything I need... except for code folding with MORE and LESS that Kedit once had. Maybe I will write that plugin someday.

    Vim sure yes if you have to over a shell connection for sys admin or something - but why anyone wants to use a mode editor from the 70's as their development platform is beyond me.

  32. 20 years later, desktop nonsense rages on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IDEs are for fucking noobs. Linux is a workhorse, not a barbie doll to spend hours decorating.

  33. Window Managers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The list proclaims Openbox as the best window manager, then says KDE Plasma is thte best desktop environment, an still claims Geany as IDE of the year. Now what is the difference between those categories?

    The only item missing is 'Kernel of the Year'.

  34. One of my most common apps is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GNOME Terminal. I use it constantly, as I can type to an ssh command prompt faster than I can point-and-click about anything else.

  35. Pre-installed? by dohzer · · Score: 1

    Isn't half the point of Linux that you fresh install your own version of Linux, getting rid of any bloat that came with the computer?!

  36. Music production software by niks42 · · Score: 1

    I run Renoise (yup, paid for that one), Ardour, Rosegarden, Hydrogen, ZynAddSubFX, SooperLooper, Audacity, Qsynth, LMMS; I use Clementine as a music player.

    1. Re:Music production software by subk · · Score: 1

      How do you like Renoise? I've been thinking about buying it. Fruity Loops is the only reason I keep Windows around, but only because I haven't found an alternative that runs on Linux.

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    2. Re:Music production software by niks42 · · Score: 1

      Its usability is improved dramatically once you start to adopt keyboard shortcuts .. and you need lots of CPU and memory (though more modern machines are probably a lot better than my AMD Phenom), since the effects are small and simple-ish so you need to stack lots together. But it is really, really good. I am a fan of MIDI controllers and button-LED matrix, and it really excels.

  37. Debian "popularity contest" package by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Debian "popularity contest" package gathers real stats on use with slightly anonymized data.
    No need to ask humans.

  38. Re:Used to like VLC...The good thing about mplayer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SMPlayer is a front end to mplayer.
    I prefer it over VLC because it has such a good support for configurable hotkeys.
    Like aspect ratio is simply the letter a.

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  39. rsync by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    > Backup Application of the Year - rsync

    I like that.

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  40. No photography categories by tdailey · · Score: 1

    Disappointing that there did not seem to be any categories for photography software, such as image catalogue management or editing. There was a "Video Authoring Application" category, however.

  41. RIP Thunderbird by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ugh. The job posting is for a 6 month term to help convert Thunderbird into a 'web technologies' based application. Sounds like they're going to turn it into a web app with a packaged browser. Those types of applications are horrible. But at least then they can host your instance in the cloud, let you check your accounts from anywhere with a net connection, and data mine all your emails.

  42. Mail client by bankman · · Score: 1

    For email clients, Mozilla Thunderbird remains on top. That's a bit surprising given how Thunderbird's development has been stuck in neutral for some time now.

    It's surprising that Linux users prefer to use a stable and mature program that does exactly what is required? Or is it just surprising because it lacks "stories"?

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  43. Agreed! But I still don't use it.... by gosand · · Score: 1

    I used to use KDE years ago, but they lost me. I tried other things but landed on XFCE and haven't looked back.
    I switch to new things if

    a. I am forced to change ... e.g. something quits working, is unsupported, or some other reason I can't control

    b. I get so frustrated I am willing to change. And it would take a lot to make me come back.

    c. I want to change because I see something that fits my needs better

    I switched from Firefox to PaleMoon because of b.
    I switched from KDE to XFCE because of b.
    I still use vi (vim) and pine (alpine) because they aren't broke, and do what I need them to do. It's hard to replace things like that.

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  44. Re:Used to like VLC...The good thing about mplayer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not just front end for mplayer, but also for mpv.

  45. How is crippling limitedness a good thing?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is it with people like you being so scared of having any abilities or power or freedom?
    Do you hide in your civilian tanks (SUVs) and behind your iPhone prisons too?

  46. Of course not by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

    Why would any app limit itself to being available only on one OS? Working on Linux I find it easy to bring my work over to any other OS, and that is extremely helpful. I can be productive wherever I go, and be sure my files will be usable. Of course I prefer the environment of Linux to to my work, but I am not restricted to it.