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Distracted Driving: Everyone Hates It, But Most of Us Do It, Study Finds

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: Insurance company Esurance has a new study out on distracted driving, and it makes for interesting reading. Almost everyone agrees distracted driving is bad, yet it's still remarkably prevalent. Even drivers who report rarely driving distracted also report that they engage in distracting behaviors. The study also raises some questions about the growing complexity of modern vehicles, particularly the user interfaces they confront us with. The Esurance report includes survey data from more than a thousand participants. More than 90 percent said that browsing for apps, texting, and emailing were distracting. Yet more than half of daily commuters admitted to doing it. The survey also found that the longer your commute, the greater the chance is you'll get distracted, probably by your phone. Even participants who reported they were "rarely distracted" admitted to distracting behavior like talking on the phone or even viewing GPS Navigation data. (Any task performed while driving should be able to be performed in under two seconds to avoid becoming a distraction.)

140 comments

  1. Well... yeah. by Pezbian · · Score: 1

    The radio is distracting. But it's nothing compared to billboards.

    Or LED-based cop lights, for that matter.

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    1. Re:Well... yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Annoys the hell out of me that they had to specifically put traffic laws into place that say: "Don't text and drive"

      Because they've had "don't be distracted and drive" laws for decades! It just weakens those and makes it not as apparent in people's minds!

      Don't drive distracted! It is illegal! There is no multi-tasking and driving!

    2. Re:Well... yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I keep about half me attention devoted to scanning for cops. If I ever get in an accident due to being distracted, that'll probably be what I was doing. I don't typically speed or anything, but since committing a crime is not prerequisite for being treated as a criminal, it's a habit I've gotten into.

    3. Re: Well... yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Or LED-based cop lights, for that matter."

      This.

      Couple days ago, troopers ran some sort of campaign at 5 o'clock rush hour. Must have been 8 cop cars, all in motion, in a 1 mile stretch of 5 lane medium heavy traffic in a 75mph zone. Fucking flashing led lights everywhere. Scared the crap out of me.

      The irony: I was on the damn phone (which is rare when I drive) and otherwise would have been doing 90mph.

      Never seen 5-0 roll like that before. It was like a high speed raid.

    4. Re:Well... yeah. by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Don't drive distracted! It is illegal! There is no multi-tasking and driving!

      No kidding, I can't believe a woman beside me this morning was trying to put on makeup while driving. It's a good thing I looked up from my book when I did, otherwise she would have hit me when she came over into my lane.

    5. Re: Well... yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up, idiot. Obviously you haven't heard of the thin blue line. Being an officer aint easy.

    6. Re:Well... yeah. by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I was going to work early one morning after working several weeks of 12 hour days without a day off. Tired, half awake, I reached over to tune the radio to a hard rock station to help me get fully awake and looked up just in time to swerve away from some idiot jogging on the side of the road. Not a side street or subdivision but a state highway with a 55 posted speed limit. He came within about 3 feet of getting mowed down. I had no further trouble staying awake the rest of the drive as my heart was racing. I still shudder to think how close I came to killing someone because of a few seconds of inattention.

    7. Re:Well... yeah. by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Annoys the hell out of me that they had to specifically put traffic laws into place that say: "Don't text and drive"

      Uh, you can thank a lawyer, and the society litigation created for that bullshit.

      I can already hear the defense of a 17-year old smartphone addict in a courtroom: "Well, you didn't specifically tell me don't text and drive, so..."

    8. Re: Well... yeah. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or other cars
      Or traffic Lights
      Or traffic
      Or traffic signs
      Or....

    9. Re:Well... yeah. by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      So if you are not speeding or anything, what exactly do you do on sighting a cop that you were scanning for ?

    10. Re:Well... yeah. by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Get one of those steering wheel trays for your book so you can watch the road.

  2. Not just drivers either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I do not own a car. I bicycle as my main transport.

      I've seen other cyclists riding while staring intently at their phones.

    I've seen accidents caused by same.

    I do not know what the solution is. You can tell people not to do that, and they already know not to, but it remains that every single day I see a driver, pedestrian or sometimes a cyclist paying more attention to phone than surroundings.

    1. Re:Not just drivers either by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      I think the solution is automated vehicles. Humans engage in all kinds of stupid behavior behind the wheel of a vehicle whether it's looking at their phones or being immensely intoxicated.

      The other alternative is to do nothing and hope that millions of years of natural selection and evolution will result in human populations that don't look at phones while driving.

    2. Re:Not just drivers either by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      At the moment it doesn't sit well yet to claim autopilot will free you to play on your smartphone. But that will become its main selling value, not safety.

    3. Re:Not just drivers either by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      As long as I still have a choice to use a manual vehicle, I have no issue with drunks risking their lives to automation.

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    4. Re: Not just drivers either by stevedog · · Score: 1

      It's more of a carrot/stick situation. What almost all the other commenters are pointing out is that the stick (ie, making it illegal) hasn't worked at all. If it is going to happen anyway (and yes, it will), then we might as well turn it into a carrot where this inevitable (on a societal level) behavior becomes much safer.

  3. Not me by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Instead, I do distracted train riding. I’m so reckless, I’ve been known to read books while the train flies along. If I’m feeling especially daring, I’ll close my eyes - sometimes for minutes at a time.

    So be careful if you see my train coming!

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    1. Re:Not me by darkain · · Score: 1

      As humorous as this was intended, it actually hits a little close to home. I'm just a few blocks down the road from where the fatal Amtrak crash was a few weeks ago.

    2. Re:Not me by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      ...says the unionized train engineer.

  4. For me personally by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 1

    The biggest source of distracted driving: "GPS signal lost."

    Because I know the damn map app took five minutes to warn me it had no idea where it was.

    1. Re:For me personally by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      That will happen with automation too.

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  5. OK thanks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Glad to see articles originally written in the 20th century are making the rounds again.

  6. LOL Stupid Study by mentil · · Score: 4, Funny

    This is the dumbest thing I've ev

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  7. Masturbating by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    behind the wheel is still OK.

  8. Don't do it around me. by dicobalt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My dash cam has captured two car accidents where you can clearly see the driver is playing with their phone. One where a woman with a baby and a toddler in the car drove at 35mph directly into the back of a work van while wandering between lanes. Another where a guy simply drifted off the road and into a rain ditch at 45mph causing the car to go airborne and do a 360 spin in mid air. I gave the videos to police and the insurance companies. Everyone should be using a dash cam.

    1. Re:Don't do it around me. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 0

      Why is it your job to rat people out to insurance companies?

    2. Re:Don't do it around me. by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 2

      Rats get paid. He's doing it for spite. Which is awesome.

    3. Re:Don't do it around me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously because fucktards like you are a danger to everyone else. I am sure you are too busy giving road head to pay attention to the road and his dash cam would capture you gobbling down that fat cock while driving.

    4. Re:Don't do it around me. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      I hate texting drivers, but I hate corepirate in$urance firms equally.

    5. Re:Don't do it around me. by Jbcarpen · · Score: 1

      I do the same thing. It's NOT my job, that's not why I do it. It's an "Up yours!" to the distracted driver.

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    6. Re:Don't do it around me. by Gavrielkay · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anyone who thinks their fucking phone is more important than their own or someone else's life deserves to get ratted out to anyone who will listen. A ticket and/or insurance rate hike is a much smaller price than some people pay for that idiocy. Sadly, it isn't always the idiot who pays.

    7. Re:Don't do it around me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sure is.

      "Here's your copy officer, I have others to give to all the insurance companies."

      Then after getting home and uploading another copy to YouTube and then watching it...

      "Wow, those plebs are so stupid and I'm so incredibly smart and safe...and I got to show that to everyone. Fuck yeah it feels good, think I'll bring out the good liquor tonight."

    8. Re:Don't do it around me. by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because someone is paying for the damage and getting a rate hike, might as well make damn sure it's the asshat who caused it.

    9. Re:Don't do it around me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because insurance companies are just middlemen who collect funds from you and me ("premiums") to pay for the damages. Less damage = smaller premiums. People should pay for the consequences of their own stupidity. Group insurance should be used to pay for things beyond your control, like if the guy next to you has a flat tire and hits you -- not if you yourself drive into a ditch because you couldn't be bothered to LOOK WHERE YOU WERE GOING.

    10. Re:Don't do it around me. by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Because if enough people start having dashcams, then it's the guys who are actually at fault that get punished.

      Do you hate justice?

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    11. Re:Don't do it around me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it saves the policy holders money. Insurance companies generally pay out on a crash, but they'll cancel the policy afterwards and crank up the rates if the person was engaged in this kind of behavior.

      Plus, idiots like that can kill other people.

      There's a reason why insurance companies have so many bonuses and programs to encourage safe driving, it allows them to both pad their margin and charge drivers less for insurance. I cringe when I hear ads by the General because they imply that they can have low standards and charge only a small amount of money, which means that there's something wrong as those don't go together.

    12. Re:Don't do it around me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How often do car insurance companies kill people? Texting drivers regularly kill people.

    13. Re:Don't do it around me. by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Yup, because distracted driving is something we should protect people for.

      I hope the drivers in those situations got shat on and had their licenses taken away. They deserve harsh punishment, not protection.

    14. Re:Don't do it around me. by Jbcarpen · · Score: 1

      The fine print probably lets them get their pound of flesh some other way, or maybe it lets them weasel out of paying if you were driving distracted. "Use of a cellphone while driving suspends coverage of this policy for the following thirty days." Or something.

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    15. Re:Don't do it around me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ... rat people out to insurance companies?

      First, I feel for the fucked-up driver not getting a free crash-repair job but having to deal with one's own mistakes is a big part of being an adult.

      Second, if you feel for the fucked-up driver so much, your children can walk the road that driver uses.

    16. Re:Don't do it around me. by nonBORG · · Score: 1

      Funny when someone stands up for truth and doing what is right they are a rat?

      I think we need more people who are actually public servants, do things to serve the public as a whole.

      Of course b0s0z0ku would rather that people can get away with lies and acts of public endangerment.

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    17. Re:Don't do it around me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How often do car insurance companies kill people? Texting drivers regularly kill people.

      Not all harm in the world is killing. Slowly sucking the life out of you kills you slowly enough that you don’t realize it is inexorably killing you, and that is kind of what they are doing, one could make the argument.

    18. Re:Don't do it around me. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why is it your job to rat people out to insurance companies?

      Why is it your job to argue with people on Slashdot? It's not. Some people just do things as a hobby.

    19. Re:Don't do it around me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it your job to rat people out to insurance companies?

      I sure as hell hope you don't find yourself regretting this statement if a loved one of yours gets injured by a driver and you lose the legal argument in court because they couldn't prove they were breaking a distracted driving law.

    20. Re:Don't do it around me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How often do car insurance companies kill people? Texting drivers regularly kill people.

      Not all harm in the world is killing. Slowly sucking the life out of you kills you slowly enough that you don’t realize it is inexorably killing you, and that is kind of what they are doing, one could make the argument.

      Life is full of choices. Choose to find a job and work from home. Choose to live a simple life and avoid a lot of the burden of insuring a vehicle. There are a lot of options available these days for transportation that do not require you to own a vehicle, or succumb to the proverbial rat race of a morning commute.

    21. Re:Don't do it around me. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I hope the drivers in those situations got shat on and had their licenses taken away. They deserve harsh punishment, not protection.

      If people demonstrate an inability to drive, then taking away their driving privilege is protecting them and everyone else.

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    22. Re:Don't do it around me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Less damage = smaller premiums.

      You actually believe this bullshit, as if insurance companies don't have millionaires at the helm.

      People should pay for the consequences of their own stupidity.

      Worry about your own ignorance first. You've got enough to deal with there.

    23. Re:Don't do it around me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it your job to rat people out to insurance companies?

      So that everyone's insurance rate don't have to go up to pay for someone else's stupidity. His rates, my rates, and your rates shouldn't have to pay for people who trashed their cars and hurt people fiddling while fiddling with their phone.

    24. Re:Don't do it around me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's have some laws so that every person has to get an always-on, cloud connected camera surgically implanted into their face. Don't know about you, but I'm sure looking forward to all that extra justice which is coming soon.

    25. Re:Don't do it around me. by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

      Can you just text the ticket to me officer? I'm in a hurry.
      Got places to go, Instagrams to send, and fBook pages to update.

  9. Indict Trump. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Convict him for treason.

  10. It is more than just distracted driving by SlithyMagister · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People follow far too closely.
    From the summary:
    "Any task performed while driving should be able to be performed in under two seconds to avoid becoming a distraction"

    The rule of thumb for vehicle separation on highways is to leave two seconds between you and the vehicle ahead. The next time you are on a busy highway, Note how few drivers actually leave that much space. And when you do leave such a gap some jockey cuts right in.

    The two misbehaviours taken together are leaving a lot of wreckage around.

    1. Re:It is more than just distracted driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who can't leave EXACTLY two seconds of space in front of their cars are those that haven't figured out new cars have this thing called radar dynamic cruise control. Try it. It will save you a lot of stress, and maybe even your life, some day!

    2. Re:It is more than just distracted driving by PPH · · Score: 1

      Actually, the problem is that people engaging in some distraction leave extra space between themselves and the traffic ahead. And they do this by slowing down by sometimes as much as 10 or 15 MPH below traffic flow. And they end up becoming a log jam in the middle of the road. They don't care if someone cuts in front of them because that person will inevitably speed up and increase the gap. Leaving them free to fiddle with their phones. Meanwhile, everyone else piles up behind them until an opportunity to pass comes up.

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    3. Re: It is more than just distracted driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In urban areas you CANNOT leave a two second gap. A parade of cars will rush in to fill it, leaving you with a perpetual fractional second gap. All it will mean is that you're driving slower than traffic speed, which makes you an obstacle and a hazard. And if somehow everyone left a two-second gap, it would mean vastly less throughput on the highway.

    4. Re:It is more than just distracted driving by Calydor · · Score: 1

      My 2011 Fiat Punto has radar dynamic cruise control? AWESOME! When did they put THAT in?!

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    5. Re:It is more than just distracted driving by ayesnymous · · Score: 1

      The rule of thumb is to leave one car space for every 10 mph that you're going.

    6. Re:It is more than just distracted driving by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Actually, the problem is that people engaging in some distraction leave extra space between themselves and the traffic ahead. And they do this by slowing down by sometimes as much as 10 or 15 MPH below traffic flow. And they end up becoming a log jam in the middle of the road. They don't care if someone cuts in front of them because that person will inevitably speed up and increase the gap. Leaving them free to fiddle with their phones. Meanwhile, everyone else piles up behind them until an opportunity to pass comes up.

      But let's be honest here, if you're objectively counting minutes and seconds very few drivers are that slow that they cause you to miss more than a single light or a minute or two of highway driving. The problem is that many people are barely on time or running a bit late and it's extremely frustrating with this Sunday driver who doesn't care that you got places to be and schedules to keep. I've felt that road rage, I've seen my friends feel that road rage, even when we're not stressed it's like "Oh, come on. Really?" and various expletives and insults even though we goof away equal or more time regularly. If you had a self-driving car the actual delay in getting to your destination wouldn't be nearly so annoying.

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    7. Re:It is more than just distracted driving by PPH · · Score: 1

      Think about how you'd measure road capacity. It would be the number of cars passing a point per second. So if someone slows down and leaves a large gap, they are 'consuming' far more than their share of capacity. Plus all the other people stuck behind them who have to slow down until they can pass. If you have seen any traffic study videos, you'll see that it doesn't take many of these slowpokes to decrease the overall flow significantly. And the only answer engineers have for this problem (at this time*) is to add more lanes. So you can thank these morons for billions of dollars of unneeded road construction.

      *This is the primary benefit for self driving cars on a freeway. They can travel with minimal spacing (much closer than a human) at the speed limit without risking collisions.

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    8. Re:It is more than just distracted driving by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      The next time you are on a busy highway, Note how few drivers actually leave that much space. And when you do leave such a gap some jockey cuts right in.

      The nice thing about that is that the jockey is now in front of you, and getting farther away from you. While a bank of more reasonable people is forming behind you.

    9. Re:It is more than just distracted driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to mention that such distracted drivers tend to accelerate suddenly when they look up and then brake harder when they reach the car in front, before starting to slow down again to look at their device. This kind of behavior can mess up the traffic way below the road capacity for miles behind them (the rubberband effect).

      It's worse if they are driving a tall car that prevents the people behind to see what's past the distracted driver.

  11. Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by Fringe · · Score: 2

    A similar "study" in Washington State this past year reported similar findings, but actually included the questions. From memory, they had defined "driving" as being behind the wheel, en-route. Not necessarily moving. In Seattle's stop-and-slow traffic, you can spend five minutes stopped at a light; it's not "distracted driving" to check your email when there's no velocity and no where to go.

    Let's get the questions (which are suspiciously missing, even as they trumpet "occasional distracted driving") before we attribute any credibility to this study.

    1. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by SlithyMagister · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I can't speak for Washington State, but in British Columbia it is against the law to use a handheld device while stopped at a traffic light (or in a traffic jam).
      A large number of tickets are given out to drivers using their devices while at stop lights.
      They have a neat way of spotting them. Look for someone waving an advertising sign that has no company name on it. Drivers universally ignore such people, and when the pull up at the light, the sign guy radios the cop halfway down the next block to pull them over.

    2. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 1

      I once had some people behind me get really damn angry when I shut my engine off during a traffic jam. I assumed I was breaking some law, but I never researched if it applied in my state. Might be a similar idea though.

    3. Re: Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, I found the moron who is always oblivious to the fact that the light is green and its time to start moving again.

    4. Re: Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It might not be illegal, but checking email at stoplights might be a real contributor to your town's "stop and slow" traffic. If I had a dollar for every time some fucktard at a light held up everyone behind them becasue "hurr durr important shit going on with my phone over here", my income tax bill could put a dent in the national deficit.

    5. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

      against the law to use a handheld device while stopped at a traffic light

      Because nature will conspire against you to change the light to green as soon as you start fiddling with some device. And everyone behind you starts blowing their horn. But if you are in a hurry, the lights all stay red.

      So I outsmart nature. When I'm in a hurry, I pick up my cell phone. Or something else that I could kill time with at a red light. So nature says, "Aha! I'm going to make this guy look like an idiot." And it turns all the light green for me.

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    6. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 1

      Brilliant law, just like getting people for DUI in a parked car. It encourages people do the illegal behavior while moving, as they are less likely to get caught.

    7. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Not to be pedantic.... (oh,who am I kidding?) but a steering wheel is technically a handheld device.

      Also, laptops aren't remotely handheld, but they are quite illegal to use while driving.

      That they even feel the need to make an explicit law about handheld devices to cut down on distracted driving suggests that they would be much better off, and kill a lot of birds with one stone, if they required that except as required to operate the vehicle in a safe and proper manner (ie, changing gears, activating a turn signal, windshield wipers, etc), a driver must have both hands on the steering wheel at all times while the vehicle is not in park. Full stop.

      That would, I realize, also make it illegal to brush your teeth, put on makeup, fix one's hair, read a book, eat, drink, smoke, or even adjust the radio station (unless the controls are on the steering wheel) while driving, but it would have the advantage of being very explicit about the intent.... I mean, since the laws prohibiting distracted driving are clearly not enough, why not just outlaw anything the driver might do with their hands that could be considered to contribute to it, whether that is through a handheld device or not.

    8. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      A few years ago, in the UK, the police gave a ticket to a woman who took a drink from a water bottle while stationary at a red traffic signal.

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    9. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

      Bicycle rider here, same thing happens if I do something to pass the time at a crosswalk - then the light actually changes right away, but if ready to cross ASAP I'm just staring at the light.

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    10. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a really good thing they banned distractions even at red light. The thing is that a distraction can't be turned on and off like traffic lights. If you are working on a task, say some homework and your parents shows up and asks you for something where you need to make a decision, like "what do you want for dinner", the time you lose by that is not just the interruption, but also the time you need to get your mind to do "now where was I?", which according to research can easily be 5 minutes. This mean if you use your phone at red light, then drive for 4 minutes and then use the phone at the next red light, your mind is not "phone free" between red lights and you are distracted even if you aren't actively looking at your phone. It will only be worse if you do something where you continue at the next red light because unfinished tasks are even harder to avoid distracting your mind and mental focus.

      Yes I know lots of people here are a bit too old to stay at home and do homework (myself included), but I picked that example because we have all tried it, meaning it's an example we can all relate to. I thought about writing some programming related instead, but that in itself ended up being a distraction as it would open for people disagreeing with details, sort of like OS flame wars. School homework has no such pitfalls.

    11. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I once had some people behind me get really damn angry when I shut my engine off during a traffic jam. I assumed I was breaking some law, but I never researched if it applied in my state. Might be a similar idea though.

      Some cars shut down the engine automatically if certain conditions are met (no need for heat etc). My car's manual recommends shutting down the engine manually when you know you won't be moving for the next minute. This is to both save fuel and reduce emissions. I think the key here is how long it will take you to start the car. It's likely legal in itself, but could becomes illegal if you fail to start when required. In some places it's actually illegal to let the car run idle due to air quality.

      If shutting down the engine is illegal, then what about hybrids? Particularly traffic jams would be a good case for shutting down the engine and rely on the battery to make the minor movements you might require.

      It all comes down to (possibly silly) laws made by politicians in different places, but generally speaking, shutting down the engine should be ok and actually the recommended approach if you are really stuck.

    12. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Screw that, I drive single handed thank you very much.

    13. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Not too long ago, stopped at an intersection with dedicated left turn lights, the guy besides me pulled into traffic when the person beside him started their left turn. Seen similar a few times and the only reason for no accident was that everyone was moving slow enough to stop. Still fucks up traffic and if they're so unaware that they can't tell the difference between a green light and a green left turn light, they're a danger on the road.

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    14. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah? phone on the laps and start the car without fucking looking. every fucking time. fuck that shit. its much more dangerous than asshole distracted on the highway cuz these at least go mostly straight.

    15. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about DUI in front of the red light? because that would be a valid comparison. if you FUCKING PARK you can IN FACT LEGALLY TAKE THE FUCKING CALL.
      you dumb noob. go get brain cells at the brain cell market.

    16. Re: Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Washington resident here. I believe you are mistaken. If you are in the driver's seat you cannot touch your cell phone, even if you are at a light or stuck in traffic, other than one tap to initiate a function whatever the fuck that means.

    17. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I've been involved in two distracted driving accidents. One, very minor, was my fault. The other was more serious and happened while I was not moving, someone else's fault obviously. Neither one of them involved a phone in any way whatsoever.

      I'm sick and tired of people equating "distracted driving" with cell phone use because doing so demonizes one activity over all others when distracted driving predates cell phones by a wide margin. In fact, if you search newspaper archives from when cars were a new invention, the notion of putting radios in them was demonized to the same extent that cell phone use is today. Of course, back then they weren't stupid enough to pass anti-radio laws. We already have laws regarding distracted driving. We don't need specific laws about mobile devices. Why is getting an accident when looking at a cell phone something to hang someone from a lamp post while the very same accident caused by looking at a newspaper or putting on makeup is OK? In the case of the more serious of the ones I was in, the woman in question was distracted by dealing with her obnoxious kids (a big cause of distracted driving in my non-scientific opinion).

      At least in my state our stupid cell phone law was written to exempt not-moving situations. Too many places are absolutely brain dead on the topic.

      The real problem with distracted driving of course is training: we don't do enough of it. It's just like how when you tell teens "don't have sex" and offer no further guidance or actual useful information, well, you end up with a teen pregnancy problem. All we do about driving with other things going on is tell people not to do it. We offer no training or guidance on situational awareness, risk management, or anything else that might actually help. Pilots are trained how to fly a plane, talk to the person next to them, talk on the radio, read a map, program a GPS, etc. all at the same time and they are trained constantly when NOT to do those things at the same time. We don't even try with drivers, and the (lack of) results reflects it. Looking at your phone to change music while driving down a highway with nobody especially near you and clear lines of sight you can check is a totally different danger profile than doing so while driving down a residential street with cars parked along the side and maybe kids playing in and around them--but most people don't seem to realize there's a difference. Of course, opportunistic revenue-seeking lawmakers and money-hungry police departments try to take advantage of that and manufacture a crisis that must be solved, in a fashion that benefits them of course.

      Time we all grow up, stop the stupid shrillness, and start actually addressing the problems.

    18. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A similar "study" in Washington State this past year reported similar findings, but actually included the questions. From memory, they had defined "driving" as being behind the wheel, en-route. Not necessarily moving. In Seattle's stop-and-slow traffic, you can spend five minutes stopped at a light; it's not "distracted driving" to check your email when there's no velocity and no where to go.

      Let's get the questions (which are suspiciously missing, even as they trumpet "occasional distracted driving") before we attribute any credibility to this study.

      A recent study concluded that most studies are total bullshit, especially ones like this that were made up at the time of writing. ;-p

    19. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      it's not "distracted driving" to check your email when there's no velocity and no where to go.

      And yet an incredibly large portion of rear-endings happen in exactly those situations. You're still distracted. You're still likely to cause an accident. The only difference is that you will more likely just screw up the traffic network in the city, get to late work, and spend hours working through insurance paperwork than kill someone (or then kill someone depending on how good the insurance company's customer service is).

      It's an email, it's a text. If people needed something now they would have called. There is zero reason for you to be checking it, especially if you're then going to sit there fumbling while the light is green just causing more traffic to back up behind you.

      Or my personal anecdotal favourite, the person so busy reading their emails while stopped that she didn't even realise her car wasn't parked on the sensor. After 2 sets of changes with a green turn signal I actually got out, knocked on her window* and abused the hell out of her.

      *Would not recommend in America without wearing a kevlar.

    20. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by DethLok · · Score: 1

      Citation please?

    21. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by quonset · · Score: 1

      The guy was being a jerk because he assumed traffic would be moving any moment and would have to wait the few seconds for you to start your car and move. But, since you were in a traffic jam, one he could obviously see, there would have been plenty of time for you to start your car by simply being observant of the cars in front of by looking through their windows to the cars ahead.

      These are the same people when you're at a red light and they keep creeping up on your bumper. Those extra few inches aren't going to make you go any faster, nor help them in anyway, but they're so intent on being the jerk they are, they don't care.

    22. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      People checking their email at red lights don't want to get honked if they don't respond fast enough to a green light.

      So this makes them more nervous, more reliant on their peripheral vision, and more likely to gun the car forward incorrectly if a dash of green light appears in their peripheral vision even it's coming for a different lane or if it's pointing in the wrong direction.

    23. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by Strider- · · Score: 1

      I've watched the police catch people at the corner of Boundary and Canada way. One officer sitting upstairs in the Starbucks watching the road and the other ones just out of sight bellow.

      The issue with using your device while stopped at a red light is one of situational awareness. You come to a stop, place your foot firmly on the brake, and switch your focus to futzing with your device. When you shift your focus, you lose situational awareness. There light turns, the impatient guy behind you honks. Quick: what is the status of the intersection?

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      ...si hoc legere nimium eruditionis habes...
    24. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      How in hell am I supposed to hold my newspaper with both hands on the steering wheel?!?

    25. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Barring having a disability for which an exemption can be claimed, such a driving style would need to be altered to be compliant with such rules.

    26. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by geekmux · · Score: 1

      you can spend five minutes stopped at a light; it's not "distracted driving" to check your email when there's no velocity and no where to go.

      Speaking of no velocity, this scenario quickly turns into a bunch of people not paying attention after the light turns green because they're in denial about what "distracted" means.

      This is also why some states had to pass laws that prohibit the use of distraction devices even while stopped at a light.

    27. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by whoever57 · · Score: 1
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      The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
    28. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't speak for Washington State, but in British Columbia it is against the law to use a handheld device while stopped at a traffic light (or in a traffic jam).

      A large number of tickets are given out to drivers using their devices while at stop lights.

      They have a neat way of spotting them. Look for someone waving an advertising sign that has no company name on it. Drivers universally ignore such people, and when the pull up at the light, the sign guy radios the cop halfway down the next block to pull them over.

      Meanwhile someone is calling in specific tips telling law enforcement a specific guy is going to shoot up a school and the cops can’t be bothered to look into it. Ticketing drivers raises money. Doing actual police work to protect the community costs money. "Protect and serve" loses every time.

    29. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

      Best fun ever.
      Pull up first in the right lane of a 4-lane road that also has a left turn light full of folks.

      left red red
      ---- ------ ------
      car TRGT you

      If the guy in the left lane is dinking with his phone or gps system or his dink itself, as soon as the left turn lane flicks, try to go just as the cars on his left go. You don't have to floor it, just move up fartherllike most folks do after they've been at a red light for too long. Just do it at the right time.
      Watch what happens.

    30. Re:Probably Bogus - What's "Driving"? by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      That they even feel the need to make an explicit law about handheld devices to cut down on distracted driving suggests that they would be much better off, and kill a lot of birds with one stone, if they required that except as required to operate the vehicle in a safe and proper manner (ie, changing gears, activating a turn signal, windshield wipers, etc), a driver must have both hands on the steering wheel at all times while the vehicle is not in park. Full stop.

      The problem with this proposal is that it's "fixing" the wrong problem. Distracted driving has absolutely nothing to do with where you hands are; it's a matter of where your mind is. Having both hands on the wheel and eyes forward while mentally focusing on work, or kids, or plans for the evening, etc., is far worse than taking a moment at a suitable time to adjust the radio, look up the next segment of the route on your GPS, or simply drive with one hand on the wheel. Prohibiting "physical distractions" such as taking one hand off the wheel does not prevent these more dangerous mental distractions, and can actually make them worse. Preventing the driver from adjusting the radio or GPS does not stop these things from occupying their mind; it just ensures that they will continue to be distracted by silence / boredom / uncertainty / etc. since they aren't allowed to take a moment to deal with the root cause.

      In my opinion there is no such thing as "non-distracted driving". Any driver must expect and recognize distractions and be capable of dealing with them safely. That includes planning ahead and minimizing "elective" distractions—though not to the irrational zero-tolerance levels some would prefer—but also, and more importantly, learning how to anticipate threats, and how to deal with distractions which do arise during low-risk periods, all while remaining aware of your surroundings and alert for any change in circumstances.

      --
      "The state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else." - Bastiat
  12. I do it? by Arzaboa · · Score: 1

    Its only distracted when other people are doing it, because I'm watching them be distracted.

    --
    You did what? -- Anonymous

  13. Stupid term by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not "distracted driving". It's "Bad driving". It's "failure to maintain control of your vehicle", which used to be a ticketable offense.

    People aren't "distracted" while driving-- someone didn't run up and yell "Boo!" at them. They weren't paying attention to the multiple tons of metal and plastic they were hurtling down the road at ridiculous speeds. Bad driving is worse than firearms-- at least with those, there's bad intent. But an out-of-control SUV can wipe out an entire family in an instant-- by accident.

    More people were killed in 2016 by automobiles than guns-- although the two numbers aren't that far apart (38 thousand vs. 40 thousand), which is scary as hell.

    Anyone ticketed for for "distracted driving" should immediately have their license revoked until they can re-take the written and practical tests.

  14. Esurance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, if it's a study from esurance, it'll be useless. Shitty company. And shame on the editors for posting this ad.

  15. You Can Have My Diet Pepsi When You Take It ... by kenwd0elq · · Score: 0

    I drink Diet Pepsi while driving. I eat fast food while driving. I talk on the phone (with my headset) while driving. I give computer tech support, talking people through troubleshooting steps while on the phone, while driving. I glance at my GPS while driving. Sometimes I listen to the radio and sing along. The only "distracted driving" accident I've been in was when the guy behind me didn't realize that I was stopping at a yellow light and slammed into me from behind.

    I've been doing a lot of that stuff - eating, drinking, singing - for FIFTY YEARS. I got my first cell phone in 1990, and I've been talking on the phone since then. I don't have a problem with "distractions".

    Want to talk about "distracted driving"? How about the woman who was putting on her false eyelashes at 35MPH while looking in the makeup mirror - while driving.

    1. Re:You Can Have My Diet Pepsi When You Take It ... by Gavrielkay · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Just because other people do other more or less stupid things while driving doesn't make using your phone any smarter. If you use a headset then at least you're keeping your eyes free to watch the road.

      But by now we've all been on the road the day everyone is dodging around someone who's weaving between lanes, or going half the speed limit - any when it's finally your turn to go around the car, sure enough the driver has a phone in their face. There are plenty of ways to die in this world, but if I get taken out by someone who thinks their email is more important than my life, I hope I can haunt them for eternity.

    2. Re:You Can Have My Diet Pepsi When You Take It ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great anecdote. And most people rate themselves as better-than-average drivers. Chances are, someone has had to drive evasively because you *were* distracted, and didn't realize it.

    3. Re:You Can Have My Diet Pepsi When You Take It ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that you drink diet soda and eat fast food are 2 out of 2 reasons to think you're an idiot whose choices in anecdote form really don't need to be emulated either way.

    4. Re:You Can Have My Diet Pepsi When You Take It ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you think you're not distracted by all that doesn't make it so. Studies have shown that talking on a headset can be just as distracting as talking on a handheld.

      Also, I know people who smoked a pack of cigarettes every day for FIFTY YEARS, and didn't get cancer. That doesn't mean cigarettes don't cause cancer, it means they were just very lucky.

      Similarly, you've just been very lucky not to have been in an accident, and now you're being cocky about it, as if it's some special skill you have.

    5. Re:You Can Have My Diet Pepsi When You Take It ... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 1

      The only "distracted driving" accident I've been in was when the guy behind me didn't realize that I was stopping at a yellow light and slammed into me from behind.

      An overwhelming body of evidence says that if you're doing the things you described then you are significantly worse as a driver than you otherwise would be. Your reactions are slower than they otherwise would be. Your judgement is impaired. You do make mistakes.

      Now, maybe so far other drivers have been able to compensate for your mistakes, taking avoiding action to prevent an accident, or waiting patiently behind you when you were slow off the mark, or leaving extra space to accommodate your panic braking. Maybe because you weren't paying attention you didn't even realise this was happening all the time. But it does happen all the time, with better drivers compensating to some extent for the worse ones, and unfortunately it breeds a false sense of security in those who "don't have a problem".

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      If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
    6. Re:You Can Have My Diet Pepsi When You Take It ... by geekmux · · Score: 1

      I've been doing a lot of that stuff - eating, drinking, singing - for FIFTY YEARS. I got my first cell phone in 1990, and I've been talking on the phone since then. I don't have a problem with "distractions".

      No, you have a problem with comparative analysis, chance, and the human toll of time.

      Talking on a phone is not even close to the same thing as the other 95% of society addicted to social media that requires considerably more interaction (and that headset isn't statistically helping you). Driving distractions include eating and drinking, which were proven factors long before cell phones.

      Your hearing, eyesight, and reflexes; I can assure you that you do NOT hold the same capabilities that you did FIFTY YEARS ago. One accident in half a century? There is no insurance company in the world that would attribute that statistic to skill alone. Luck has been on your side my friend.

      Then again, none of this matters. That Pepsi and McShit food you're putting in your body says a lot about your longevity.

  16. I was so shocked by this article by bobstreo · · Score: 1

    I almost dropped my tablet and nearly sideswiped a bus.

  17. Repeal the second amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Repeal the second amendment.

  18. Re:Repeal the first amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In order to repeal the First Amendment, the Second Amendment would have to be repealed. Nice try, Soros!

  19. Autonomous Cars and Respecting Time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't know about the rest of you , but I honestly cannot wait until autonomous cars are finally really here. I would rather have my commute time back to myself.Sure, I like driving, but time is money. could be watching youtube to learn something else instead, and what a great time to do it. 1hr to work and back home I don't get back.

    1. Re:Autonomous Cars and Respecting Time by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      There are many places you can live and work where the commute time is less than 20 mins. I have been doing it my entire life.

      --
      Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
  20. Fake news! by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    That's not true, I always kee

  21. Distracted biking I really don't understand by KingAlanI · · Score: 1

    I need both hands on the handlebars to keep the bike straight while maintaining any significant speed.
    Sometimes one brake isn't working well and I need the other hand ready to apply the other brake; that can be a problem even if realizing the need to brake.

    --
    I listen to both RIAA and non-RIAA stuff if I like the music, tangential business/politics nonwithstanding.
    1. Re:Distracted biking I really don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different AC, but maybe the cyclists staring at their phones have their phone mounted to their bike?

    2. Re:Distracted biking I really don't understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speed can make the bike stable.
      You really need the front brake, it's the more important one (or safer one) and also the front wheel and front brake are easier to maintain. So even with a bike in poor condition I may reasonably stop with only the front brake.

      Statistically, you might need (as I) to maintain the bike more often, if only air in the tires and oil on the chain. Makes a disproportionate effect on morale.
      I do use the phone on bike, but dumb bar phone, maybe I'd have killed myself if using a 5" phablet.

  22. Driving with kids by magzteel · · Score: 1

    Is the most distracted driving I do.

  23. Blyat! by CQDX · · Score: 1

    suka!

  24. No shit. And what about kids in the car? by MDMurphy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Looking at your GPS: Bad
    Yelling at your fighting kids in the back seat: Good.

    What I can't stand about these surveys and studies is that they all seemed pre-ordained to get the results the researchers are looking for. I have not doubt that driving solo, the radio pre-set before you leave with no food or beverage will give you the maximum amount of attention to pay to the road. But the world doesn't operate like that. People have others in the car, hold hot coffee and change radio stations.

    When all these things are present, when is it bad? Is there no difference between going through a school zone at 8:30 and driving on a lightly traveled interstate?

    All discussions seem to be centered around the stupidest, least coordinated person driving through a congested street with kids jumping out from between parked cars. There's no allowance made for adjusting to the environment. There are those who argue you must have 2 hands on the steering wheel at all times. And yet, we don't outlaw one-armed drivers or manual transmissions. Does taking your hand off the wheel to shift while operating the clutch with your foot distract you from the steering and observing the road? The absolutists will probably argue that it does, and is less safe.

    How many kids can a parent have in the car at once? One? Two will eventually fight. And with the current laws they all have to be in the back seat that will trigger looking in mirrors ( rear view and special ones just for viewing the back seat ) or turning around. How about a study showing the impact of 1, 2 3 or 4 kids i the car with a parent? Not likely, because distraction by looking in the mirror when talking to your kid is being a "good parent" while looking at the radio to change the station is "bad driving".

    Every single study is just another attempt to wrap an option in statistics .

  25. then stop doing it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seriously. stop doing it.

  26. Fuck you retards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If youre too retarded to operate a phone while driving and not smash into the guy in fromt of you, guess what, YOURE A SHIT DRIVER GET OFF THE ROAD AND RIDE THE BUS OR SOME SHIT!

  27. Project much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obviously because fucktards like you are a danger to everyone else. I am sure you are too busy giving road head to pay attention to the road and his dash cam would capture you gobbling down that fat cock while driving.

    So... you eat a lot of fat cock while driving? That’s what I got out of that. You feel shame about being a fat cock-gobbler, and so you project your self-loathing, (thoroughly earned, I’m sure,) onto others. I feel sorry for you, I really do. Get help.

  28. Not all distractions are equal by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    The problem with a study that classifies things like "viewing GPS navigation data" is that it ignores the wide range of distraction that could cause.

    I view GPS navigation data. My GPS is mounted immediately above left of my steering wheel. It's closer to my view of the road than the instrument cluster. The last hire car I had showed the GPS instructions on the instrument cluster itself.

    That is a big contrast to some idiot fumbling around with the phone lying on his passenger car seat, or playing with the central console's touchscreen while screaming down the highway.

  29. I just surveyed a billion drivers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just completed a survey of a billion American drivers, and they ALL affirm, and offered difinitive proof, that they do not drive while distracted. Ever. Never ever ever.

    (Now guys... remember, if someone asks you if you do x, y, or z while driving, and any of x, y, or indeed, z, are NOT driving a motor vehicle, you say “NO,” you don’t do it, and never have. Even if you do do it, and you do it all the time. Even if you are taking the survey while driving at high speed, weaving in and out of traffic, driving with your dick because your knees are too busy holding your cello that you’re playing WHILE reading and responding to a survey on your cellphone while driving, and also while brushing your teeth and applying lipstick while digging in your backpack for chewing gum and also combing your hair and taking a shit all while driving, you say “NO!”

    If you tell people doing surveys “yes,” lawmakers will USE that as an excuse to pass even more pointless laws against what you should never tell anyone you do IN THE FIRST PLACE!

    Okay?!?)

  30. Re:No shit. And what about kids in the car? by thegarbz · · Score: 0

    False equivalency. We have the option of not fucking around with electronics, but we don't have the option of not taking passengers somewhere.

    Also the effects are additive. You don't get a distracted or not distracted tick and making you an equal risk. Just because you have kids in the car doesn't mean it's okay to fuck around with electronics.

  31. Need to focus on driving by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some people don't drive well when their focused on driving. let alone when their preoccupied doing other things. Tail gating is my pet peeve with drivers who probably think if they ride your bumper you'll drive faster. Definitely electronics not helping and car electronics for the most part are a major issue, not a help.

  32. The problem is everyone including me. by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing is, because we drive safely on a daily basis and probably had avoided some accident do to our quick reflexes. We think ourselves as excellent drivers, however in the matter of fact, we are nearly all average drivers, who makes mistakes from time to time.
    So while driving on a daily bases you have ran across 1 or 2 idiot drivers. out of the thousands of cars that are on the road that you need to interact on your drive. However chances are that idiot driver is just as good driver as you are, it is just not a good day for them
    I know once in a while I am not having a good day, I miss an exit, a car is in the blind spot, my foot is a little to heavy or light on the petal... A slew of stuff where I could had been killed if not for the reflexes of the other drivers. Now this isn't a daily problem, most days I go along no problems, I am a perfectly boring motorist. But lets say I have 1 bad day where I make a lapse of judgement for a few seconds. During that time, I am the Idiot driver who is a problem. Now we multiply the problem with thousands of drivers who are perfectly good drivers 99.9% of the time. that still means there there is at least 1 in 1000 driver on the road interacting with you nearly every day.

    For me to be safe, I need to admit my faults as an imperfect driver, this humility means I will normally take extra percussion just in case I do something stupid. To risk contradicting myself the drivers who see themselves as good or excellent drivers often put themselves and other in more danger, because they feel they can successfully navigate a world with less tolerances. But still they are fine 99.8% of the time. However that 1/1000 extra causes that 1 problem driver a day to 2 a day.

    There are things that distract us all the time, and it is nearly impossible to legislate all of them. Just being in a bad mood can be just as dangerous as driving on the phone. However if there are things we can control, we should. Drunk/Drugged driving, Talking/Texting, Tends to be the biggest thing.
    But other things distract too. The reason why when we are lost in the car, your turn down the radio. Is because you need less distractions to navigate an unfamiliar area.

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    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    1. Re:The problem is everyone including me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I agree mostly with your thoughts one thing always comes to mind that frustrates me. Cops can have full touch screen laptops glued to their dash board. When probed on the problem they always offer the excuse they have special training making them better drivers.

      I'm still pretty solid on reflex driven video games and clump myself into the group who claims they are better drivers than most. So I pose the question, when are the average citizens allowed to take these special driving tests so we can prove we really are better?

  33. Deaths by bigdavex · · Score: 1

    We need to be as excited about distracted driving as school shootings.

    A) Distracted driving kills far more people
    B) Individuals CAN immediately affect the safety of the world by doing the right thing.

    I think there are things we can do gun safety, too, but darn if we don't focus on the problems that are the most difficult, out of our control and least significant.

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    -Dave
  34. Re:No shit. And what about kids in the car? by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    Looking at your GPS: Bad
    Yelling at your fighting kids in the back seat: Good.

    In California:

    Looking at your GPS: Bad
    Fiddling with a paper map while doing 80 MPH down the freeway: No problem

  35. Re:No shit. And what about kids in the car? by PPH · · Score: 1

    Don't make me stop this car!!!!

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  36. Re: Repeal the first amendment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are more gun owners than there are republicans. Stop trying to force it into a vanilla RvD box.

  37. Re:No shit. And what about kids in the car? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    > What I can't stand about these surveys and studies is that they all seemed pre-ordained to get the results the researchers are looking for

    Well said and I can't agree more. I took Psychology as a first year option in my CS degree course. It was mostly full of women that were doing liberal arts and social studies. These are the types of people doing all these kids of studies.

    As someone doing a logic/math related subject (CS), it was blindingly obvious that Psychologists routinely perform a giant hand-waving masquerade with their experimental methodology to make their results appear "scientific" and rigorously obtained, and are totally OK with that.

    In fact their method and analysis is so totally full of obvious arbitrary holes and logical contradictions, that any truly scientific discipline would simply consider both the approach and the results themselves completely meaningless/valueless.

  38. Re:No shit. And what about kids in the car? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    > but we don't have the option of not taking passengers somewhere.

    Yes we do. Thats what pickup trucks are for.

  39. Re:No shit. And what about kids in the car? by jader3rd · · Score: 1

    How about a study showing the impact of 1, 2 3 or 4 kids i the car with a parent?

    For our oldest two it wasn't related to how many kids, but was the fact that legally they're supposed to be backwards facing. The kids hated it. And dealing with a screaming kid, who is backwards facing, is a lot more effort than one who is forwards facing. Flipping their safety seat, to forwards facing early, was always a big help.

  40. Info systems cause problems by techdolphin · · Score: 1

    I have rented quite a few cars in the past two years. The info systems are very distracting. Sometimes doing very basic tasks can be distracting. For example, trying change the radio band or even changing the channel can require 3-5 button pushes or screen touches just to find the function I want.

    We need a standard interface.

  41. I'm not distracted in fact I'm posting this while by Ranger · · Score: 1

    I'm dri

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    "You'll get nothing, and you'll like it!"
  42. Hypocrites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same government officials leading the charge against "distracted driving" are buying votes with money gained from electronic billboards lining our freeways.

  43. I only get distracted... by dddux · · Score: 1

    I only get distracted when I run over a pedestrian or a cyclist. Those pests! /sarc People are generally driving like they're in a computer game these days. It is extremely bad and irresponsible. I can see it happen daily. The ego of the drivers is sky high. Self-driving cars without any ego cannot come too soon.

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    "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti
  44. Re:No shit. And what about kids in the car? by dddux · · Score: 1

    When you're driving a car, you have to drive a car. Kids fighting or arguing is not your job. Your job is to look at the freaking road and try not to kill anyone. Comprende?

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    "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti
  45. Level the playing field by ProgrammerInMA · · Score: 1

    Let me know if my comparison is inane...

    If someone has three beers and jumps in their car, they could:

    1. 1. Be arrested, sit in jail overnight, or all weekend
    2. 2. Have their license taken on site, with no hearing
    3. 3. Have to plead guilty, or hire an attorney that winds up costing about $10,000USD.
    4. 4. Have their license suspended for a year or more

    If someone is texting and driving, which I would maintain is even more distracting than having three beers in their system:

    1. 1. They may have someone honk their horn at them
    2. 2. They may get a ticket for $100USD in some states

    Don't both of these people have close the same chance of injuring or killing someone?

  46. Not if you drive fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, but when I'm driving 100mph+, I am NOT looking at a phone, I am NOT using GPS (well perhaps, but on a freeway with an exit miles ahead), and I'm VERY alert.

    But I totally see the point, and am constantly flustered by idiots paying more attention to their phones than the world around them, or trying to get in the left passing lane so they only have to watch 1 lane to their side instead of 2.

    I am starting to open up more to autonomous cars that will at least drive the speed limit so these idiots can read their Russian facebook posts.