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FCC To Officially Rescind Net Neutrality Rules On Thursday (reuters.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: The U.S. Federal Communications Commission is expected to publish on Thursday its December order overturning the landmark Obama-era net neutrality rules, two sources briefed on the matter said Tuesday. The formal publication in the Federal Register, a government website, means state attorneys general and advocacy groups will be able to sue in a bid to block the order from taking effect. The Republican-led FCC in December voted 3-2 to overturn rules barring service providers from blocking, slowing access to or charging more for certain content. The White House Office of Management and Budget still must sign off on some aspects of the FCC reversal before it takes legal effect. Congressional aides say the publication will trigger a 60-legislative-day deadline for Congress to vote on whether to overturn the decision. U.S. Senate Democrats said in January they had the backing of 50 members of the 100-person chamber for repeal, leaving them just one vote short of a majority. The December FCC order will be made public on Wednesday and formally published on Thursday, the sources said.

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  1. More evidence that there are real differences by JoshuaZ · · Score: 3, Informative

    This should be more evidence that there are real and substantial differences between the Democratic and Republican parties. Yes, there are a small number of Democrat senators who aren't in favor of net neutrality, and there are a small number of Republican senators who are in favor, but the vast majority of each group have taken positions exactly as expected. There are real differences between the major political parties.

    1. Re:More evidence that there are real differences by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There are real differences between the major political parties.

      There are, but they are implementation differences, not necessarily moral ones.

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    2. Re:More evidence that there are real differences by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's some truth to that, but the real question is which party will MAGA?

      Neither one. They're both engaged in screwing it up for most people. Not for themselves, of course.

      There are definitely differences, though. The Democrats (at present) aren't as utterly corrupt as the Republicans. I suspect that'll turn around with the next pendulum swing. Because American voters just can't seem to wrap their heads around the idea that putting the rich in power will not result in a generally favorable outcome for everyone else.

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    3. Re:More evidence that there are real differences by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      so, BSAB argument?

      maybe you'd like to engage in some whataboutism?

      (no, both sides are NOT identically bad; and in this situation and mahy others where its business vs people, the R's clearly favor the rich business and care NOTHING for the common man. NOTHING. and their base of poor flyover states eat it up, in some kind of absurd opposite-think; afterall, anyone poor in a flyover is just 'temporarily poor' and they fully think they have every chance to be rich like their idols, though it will never happen)

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    4. Re:More evidence that there are real differences by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Republicans don't look at Government and a Mommy/Daddy entity.

      Over the last 40 years, Republicans have expanded the government and ran up deficits at almost every opportunity. Anyone that still believes their small government rhetoric is retarded.

    5. Re:More evidence that there are real differences by nmb3000 · · Score: 1

      Obama appointed Pai to the FCC.

      Obama was required to appoint a republican since the law requires the commission to have a 3-2 split between the parties. Guess who recommended Pai to Obama? Oh yeah, Mitch McConnell.

      Obama's FCC chairperson was for "fast lanes" before they reversed position due to public outcry.

      Tom Wheeler may have come into the FCC with some preconceived opinions and bias, like anyone would, but he quickly revised his stance as he learned the facts. This is what separates a rational, thinking person from a mindless party hack like Pai. Frankly, Tom Wheeler was one of the best commissioners the FCC has ever had, and as close to a champion of consumer advocacy the US has seen in decades.

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    6. Re:More evidence that there are real differences by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      ... and their base of poor flyover states eat it up, in some kind of absurd opposite-think; afterall, anyone poor in a flyover is just 'temporarily poor' and they fully think they have every chance to be rich like their idols, though it will never happen)

      I think a large part of their base in poor flyover states are of the mind-set "If I can't have any, neither can anyone else" but are too stupid to realize they're creating a new aristocracy, and that has obviously always ended well (ie, never).

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    7. Re:More evidence that there are real differences by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2

      Sorry, it's theater. They have the same donors...

      So Soros is donating to Republicans and Koch Bros are donating to Democrats?

      Don't forget: Obama appointed Pai to the FCC

      Under the advisement of Mitch McConnell, who happened to have control of the Senate and would have obstructed any pick he didn't present (yes, the party of NO). But Pai's ass-hattery didn't come to the fore until Trump put him in charge as the chairman.

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    8. Re:More evidence that there are real differences by rickyslashdot · · Score: 1

      Actually, the real difference is that the Republicans steal as a unified organization (or sub-organization, as in the Tea Party coalition), whereas the Democrats steal as individual entrepreneurs.

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    9. Re:More evidence that there are real differences by Green+Mountain+Bot · · Score: 1

      Don't forget: Obama appointed Pai to the FCC.

      Obama was required to appoint a Republican, and in doing so followed established tradition of going with the recommendation of the opposition party's Senate leader.

      Obama's FCC chairperson was for "fast lanes" before they reversed position due to public outcry.

      In other words, Wheeler was responsive to the electorate whereas Trump's Chair Pai was not. This is a point where one party was CLEARLY better than the other.

    10. Re:More evidence that there are real differences by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      This should be more evidence that there are real and substantial differences between the Democratic and Republican parties. Yes, there are a small number of Democrat senators who aren't in favor of net neutrality, and there are a small number of Republican senators who are in favor, but the vast majority of each group have taken positions exactly as expected. There are real differences between the major political parties.

      As a Canadian, our government is in favor of Net Neutrality, and our ISPs will be looking to bypass traffic originating from the USA that has indications of favouritism

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    11. Re:More evidence that there are real differences by Radiophobic · · Score: 1

      The implementation is the only thing that matters, that is what people are going to be dealing with on a day to day basis. What the politicians say is all posturing, if you want to make an intelligent decision about who to support look at their history of action.

  2. Missed it by thaa-at much by rmdingler · · Score: 3, Informative

    Even though a Presidential veto and a Republican-dominated House would stand in the way of a 51 vote Senate rejection, the "one vote shy" premise is heartening on the surface... unless you consider these claims don't get held to any scrutiny.

    The Democrats are saying, "Look we are trying!" while accepting campaign contributions as fast as the Republicans from ISPs.

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    1. Re: Missed it by thaa-at much by fyngyrz · · Score: 3, Funny

      One side is corrupted and ashamed of it

      ...citation?

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    2. Re:Missed it by thaa-at much by thomst · · Score: 1

      rmdingler snorted:

      The Democrats are saying, "Look we are trying!" while accepting campaign contributions as fast as the Republicans from ISPs.

      As legendary former Speaker of the California House Jesse Unruh famously observed:

      If you can't eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women, take their money, and then vote against them, you've got no business being up here.

      (Unruh was talking about the California legislature - but the qualification is equally applicable at the national level. Perhap moreso ... )

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    3. Re:Missed it by thaa-at much by pots · · Score: 1

      Your link just gives numbers for each congressman individually. You're telling me that you expect me to add all of those up to see which party receives more contributions from ISPs? It's Republicans. Who gives them money is a pretty trivial bit of information compared to what they actually do though - the congressional record is very clear that Republicans heavily favor eliminating net neutrality and Democrats are trying to preserve it.

      I would like to know why though, this didn't used to be a partisan issue. The ISPs were losing and so they decided to spin it that way, and someone took the bait. Why did they take the bait? The campaign contributions that I'm seeing here just aren't enough to explain why a politician would adopt such a detrimental position. ... I have some suspicions, but they're not flattering to Americans as a group.

    4. Re:Missed it by thaa-at much by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      In the current political climate, spinning this as a core Republican position might be as simple as saying, over and over again,

      "The Democrats are for it."

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    5. Re:Missed it by thaa-at much by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      thomst thoughtfully proffered:

      As legendary former Speaker of the California House Jesse Unruh [wikipedia.org] famously observed:

      "If you can't eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women, take their money, and then vote against them, you've got no business being up here."

      (Unruh was talking about the California legislature - but the qualification is equally applicable at the national level. Perhap moreso ... )

      We need more politicians like that in Congress and posters like you on /..

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    6. Re:Missed it by thaa-at much by thomst · · Score: 1

      I pointed out:

      As legendary former Speaker of the California House Jesse Unruh [wikipedia.org] famously observed:

      "If you can't eat their food, drink their booze, screw their women, take their money, and then vote against them, you've got no business being up here."

      (Unruh was talking about the California legislature - but the qualification is equally applicable at the national level. Perhap moreso ... )

      To which mdingler responded:

      We need more politicians like that in Congress and posters like you on /..

      I obviously agree with your first point - and I am flattered by your second.

      Thank you, sir ...

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  3. Re:First Post ! by 91degrees · · Score: 1, Insightful

    You have only been here too long when you pour hot grits down Natalie Portman's trousers.

  4. Re:1 mbps is so awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    We need to blame the Hillary supporters too. I mean Trump horrible, but if the election were today, I'd still vote for him over Hillary. The 2-party system is a major culprit and nobody is even questioning that.

  5. Re:Banana republic!!!! by mpercy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yep, what one fool rams through--bypassing Congress--via his pen and his phone, the next fool can undo with his pen and his phone. A wise man once said “Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.”

  6. Battle is lost... by tetris11 · · Score: 1

    We've lost, right?

  7. Re:First Post ! by Kohath · · Score: 1

    Comcast will be charging those goats extra to show you the good part.

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  9. Re:First Post ! by mrbester · · Score: 1, Informative

    That's a Beowulf cluster of hot grits, you insensitive clod!

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  11. It's Official! by kenh · · Score: 2

    It's the End of Days, queue Mass Hysteria - we'll look back on these days wistfully, with a tear in our eyes for the liberties lost when the FCC stopped it's nearly thousand day watch over a briefly Neutral Net...

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    1. Re:It's Official! by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      No need to wait that long.

      I'm already crying because of the results of the last fuck up the FCC made several years ago, radio station consolidations.

      At the time, I didn't have an opinion one way or another, but the quality and the diversity of content has only gone downhill since then. And now, in our pay-to-play world, the music we hear on the radio is just one massive advertisement that plays over and over again until we're brainwashed into liking it.

    2. Re:It's Official! by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Did it work, though? I can't remember the last time I heard someone listening to music on broadcast radio. Just sports games. For music everybody streams on their phones these days. I suppose the consolidation in broadcast television will be even worse, though...

    3. Re:It's Official! by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Maybe for you, but for me, I drive a lot and my internet is not truly unlimited, and I can't afford satellite radio.

    4. Re:It's Official! by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      My old 2007 car had an aux in, I'd play stuff off my phone's storage rather than stream most of the time. The '96 I drove before that I had to use a FM adapter to play my MP3 player on the cars speakers. Worked better than a tape deck adapter anyhow. Newer cars have Bluetooth or USB ports, you can play a flash drive.

  12. Re: 1 mbps is so awesome by 110010001000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The sad part is the Trump voters are the ones who are getting screwed, not the "libtards". The "libtards" tend to be upper income, so they benefit financially from corporatist policies. It is the Trump voter who gets screwed, but they are too dumb to realize it. They are going to freak out when Trump bans bump stocks.

  13. Re:Banana republic!!!! by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    A wise man once said “Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.”

    Okay, but we're not talking about Putin here.

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  14. Re: 1 mbps is so awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think there are far more people who voted for him but are afraid to speak up. Not out of remorse but of fear of ostracization.

  15. Re:Banana republic!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A wise man once said “Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.”

    What a coincidence - a complete idiot said the exact same thing!

  16. Re:1 mbps is so awesome by kenh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thank the Democrat's Super Delegate system which all but forced the "Entitled" candidate to win the primaries, denying the Democrat voters their preferred choice in the 2016 Election, Sen. Bernie Sanders. In 2016 the democrats learned the lesson the Republicans mostly learned in 2008 with Sen. McCain (it was his turn, though few Republicans were enthusiastic about him as their candidate), and finally learned in 2012 when the party was divided over the religion of their candidate Gov. Romney - an eminently qualified, successful leader that was openly mocked for correctly identifying "Russia" as the greatest threat to America in the 2012 debates, only to be proven right after the 2016 election.

    Hillary ran a new kind of campaign, and in the end her over-confidence had her making what, in hindsight were some poor choices - she focused on fundraisers and massive vote advantage in the final phase of the election in states like California, while ignoring states that she felt confident she would win, only to learn her massive fundraising and popular vote advantage were meaningless when the Electoral Votes were tallied. She went home to walk in the woods, her opponent moved into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue with less money raised and fewer votes cast for him - but those fewer votes were all where they needed to be.

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  17. Re: 1 mbps is so awesome by thomst · · Score: 2

    An Anonymous Coward blurted:

    I'm proud I voted for Trump. I will vote him again I 2020.

    The irony of an AC trumpeting how proud he is of his vote is so thick, rich, and creamy I could cut it with a spoon ...

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  18. One more thing to fix... by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    after the "blue wave" takes control of Congress. The weird part is that net neutrality is good for everyone and everyone wants it (except ISPs).

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    1. Re:One more thing to fix... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The weird part is that net neutrality is good for everyone and everyone wants it (except ISPs).

      Almost everyone wants something called Net Neutrality but very few people actually have any idea what the FCC decision did. Whatever neutral internet you wish for, it didn't provide. The main thing it did was implement rules and regulations about how all ISPs will have to provide information to the federal government. There were a few vague things about price controls and service limits, but the majority of it was about sanctioning ISP monopolies and explicitly stating their debts to the federal government.

    2. Re:One more thing to fix... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      after the "blue wave" takes control of Congress. The weird part is that net neutrality is good for everyone and everyone wants it (except ISPs).

      Except that there are too many CRUMBS getting in the way of that.

      People like their CRUMBS, despite candy-assed whining from arrogant asshole "progressives".

      Making America Great Again - one CRUMB at a time.

      Ooooh, the fact that HURTS you is music to my ears. How one year of Trump lays bare eight years of "progressive" Obama "recovery" failure.

    3. Re:One more thing to fix... by Mr307 · · Score: 1

      I keep trying to tell people the same thing but its like talking to a wall.

  19. Re: 1 mbps is so awesome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Oh, please. Most anti Trump people I know are bear poverty. Most of the ones I know that are pro Trump are all very well off. Myself included.

  20. Re: 1 mbps is so awesome by kenh · · Score: 2

    They are going to freak out when Trump bans bump stocks.

    No, they really aren't - most lawful gun owners are interested in convenient, accurate shooting, not "quickly spraying a room full of bullets" - the purpose of the "bump stock" it the latter, not the former.

    The "libtards" tend to be upper income

    Question, why is it that California, the Mecca of "Libtards" (your term) has the highest concentration of residents living in poverty? One in five California residents lives in poverty, the highest percentage of any of the fifty states even besting states like Mississippi, Louisiana and West Virginia.

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  21. Re:1 mbps is so awesome by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    And don't blame the media, or as the old saying goes "don't shoot the messenger".

    Thanks to media consolidation in the hands of a few richy-rich mofos who don't give a good goddamn about anything but their pocketbooks, the media is more and more frequently an active part of the problem.

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  22. Direct versus indirect incentives by sjbe · · Score: 1

    The weird part is that net neutrality is good for everyone and everyone wants it (except ISPs).

    That's true but everyone other than ISPs profits from it indirectly whereas ISPs have a direct incentive to kill net neutrality. Direct incentives almost always seem to win out over indirect ones at least in the short term because those with direct incentives are willing to fight harder for them. Google probably benefits from net neutrality but the benefits are hard to point to on a profit and loss statement so it's harder to get them to fight for it.

  23. Re: 1 mbps is so awesome by gnick · · Score: 2

    ...makes the crypt keeper look attractive.

    You nailed the #1 most important quality for POTUS - Attractiveness. An ugly president is fine, but an ugly woman president? Unthinkable! I don't even give a rat's ass that our POTUS is obese; it just bugs me that he lied about it.

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  24. That's fine by lexman098 · · Score: 2

    If the Trump admin can rescind the rules this quickly, the next Dem administration can just put them back.

  25. Mini Poll by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    will this change how anyone votes in the mid terms (or in any other election for that matter)? And change doesn't just mean "I'm not voting for so and so" it also means "I'm going to show up at the polls this year".

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  26. Re: 1 mbps is so awesome by Comboman · · Score: 2

    How many times can you vote from Russia?

    It depends on which voting machine you're hacking into.

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  28. Re:1 mbps is so awesome by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

    Thank the Democrat's Super Delegate system which all but forced the "Entitled" candidate to win the primaries, denying the Democrat voters their preferred choice in the 2016 Election, Sen. Bernie Sanders.

    Clinton still ended up with more "regular" delegates than Sanders. There's plenty that you can blame the Democratic Party for during the 2016 campaign, but "super delegates" are not the reason that Clinton won the primary.

  29. Re:1 mbps is so awesome by penandpaper · · Score: 1

    To emphasize this. Purple or battleground states change over time. Many lessons were learned the last election and a big thing learned was that there are more battleground states than in 2012 or 2008 (PA anyone).

  30. Re:1 mbps is so awesome by pots · · Score: 1

    Clinton was the preferred democratic candidate by any measure. If anything, the 2016 election taught us the wisdom of super delegates - they are there as a hedge against some corrupt populist making a lot of promises that can't be kept, and hurling a lot of insults to deflect from his own inadequacies. The Republicans didn't have super delegates, and look what happened.

    In principle I agree that the idea of super delegates is contrary to the democratic ideal. In practice, well... here we are.

  31. It's easy when the vote doesn't matter by Leuf · · Score: 1

    It's easy to get votes for something when the politician knows there is zero chance that vote is going to actually do anything. Witness the attempts to repeal the ACA. If they actually got across 51 some of those votes would likely evaporate. If the House and presidency flipped some of those votes would certainly disappear.

  32. Re:1 mbps is so awesome by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    Wait a minute, weren't you calling Romney "Hitler"? Why yes you were!.

    People are in fear of Russians. Absolute nutty paranoia. Let's all get some perspective and tamp down the troll farm panic. It's 90 people with a shaky grasp of English and a rudimentary understanding of U.S. politics shitposting on Facebook. Our reaction to them is all out of proportion to their influence and will harm us more than they ever could. When even the New Yorker is ridiculing the idea that there is some great Russia conspiracy, you know it's all over but the crying.

    Trump's tweet about Moscow laughing its ass off was unusually (perhaps accidentally) accurate. Loyal Putinites and dissident intellectuals alike are remarkably united in finding the American obsession with Russian meddling to be ridiculous. The intellectuals are amused to see Americans so struck by an indictment that adds virtually nothing to a piece published in the Russian media outlet RBC, back in October; I wrote https://www.newyorker.com/news... at the time that the article showed the Russian effort to be more of a cacophony than a conspiracy. The Kremlin and its media are, as Joshua Yaffa writes https://www.newyorker.com/news..., tickled to be taken so seriously. Their sub-grammatical imitations of American political rhetoric, their overtures to the most marginal of political players, are suddenly at the very heart of American political life. This is the sort of thing Russians have done for decades, dating back at least to the early days of the Cold War, but those efforts were always relegated to the dustbin of history before they even began.

    Goldman, the Facebook V.P., has seen more of the Russian ads and posts than most Americans, and his imagination clearly strains to accommodate the push to take them seriously. It's hard to square words like "sophisticated" (frequently used by the Times to describe the Russian campaign) with posts like one from an apparently fake L.G.B.T. group promoting something called "Buff Bernie: A Coloring Book for Berniacs" http://www.nydailynews.com/new... with catchy English-language copy: "The coloring is something that suits for all people." It's hard to apply the description "bold covert effort" (used by Politico https://www.politico.com/story...) to the enormous amount of social-network static https://twitter.com/AdrianChen... that Russian trolls produced. To Goldman, it may all look like a giant gray mass in which only a few colorful ads and posts have any meaningâ"and that meaning is hard to discern.

    It is exceedingly unlikely that we will ever have a clear understanding of whether Russian meddling affected the outcome of the election. But a huge number of Americans imagine that it did. They imagine that exposure to a foreign effort to muddle American politics can fundamentally change the fate of this countryâ"and by imagining it, they render the country all the more muddled, divided, and vulnerable.

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  33. Another sad day for democracy by BrookSmith · · Score: 1

    Another sad day for democracy, if you can call it that, a political system which is bought and paid for is hardly democratic.

  34. Part of a larger trend that could be a plot by MercTech · · Score: 1
    What many don't realize is that two companies have not only taken over or driven out of business the majority of Internet Service Provider Companies (ISPs) but have quietly purchased control of the companies that maintain the internet backbone.

    The trend is a bit disturbing and it would be easy to start looking for a plot for world domination akin to a comic book plot. But, there is no need for an evil plot when greed, avarice, and apathy can achieve the same results.

    Net neutrality predates Obama by almost a decade. During the aegis of the Obama administration just saw the 2015 tightening of the definition of net neutrality as a result of court actions by AT&T, Comcast, and others to destroy the concept in law. Neutral traffic routing except in case of war was one of the fundamental properties of the network from its first iterations as ARPAnet. Calling net neutrality an Obama Administration thing is a calumny trying to piggy back on the disgust with a destructive administration.

    Large corporations now have the control and legal permission to edit all of what you watch and read.

    Hmmm, a plot comes to mind. Combination of Skynet and Fahrenheit 451. Population control by hacking and nuking any computer containing unauthorized ideas. Might be too close to reality to sell well.

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