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US Response 'Hasn't Changed The Calculus' Of Russian Interference, NSA Chief Says (npr.org)
An anonymous reader shares an NPR report: The admiral in charge of both the nation's top electronic spying agency and the Pentagon's cybersecurity operations would seem a logical point man for countering Russia's digital intrusions in U.S. election campaigns. But National Security Agency and U.S. Cyber Command chief Adm. Michael Rogers told the Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday there is only so much he can do. That is because, according to Rogers, President Trump has not ordered him to go after the Russian attacks at their origin. Sen. Jack Reed of Rhode Island, the committee's ranking Democrat, asked Rogers, "Have you been directed to do so, given this strategic threat that faces the United States and the significant consequences you recognize already?" "No, I have not," Rogers replied. But the spy chief pushed back on suggestions that he should seek a presidential signoff. "I am not going to tell the president what he should or should not do," Rogers said when Connecticut Democrat Richard Blumenthal pressed him on whether Trump should approve that authority.
"I'm an operational commander, not a policymaker," he added. "That's the challenge for me as a military commander." Rogers agreed with Blumenthal's estimation that Russian cyber operatives continue to attack the U.S. with impunity and that Washington's response has fallen short. "It hasn't changed the calculus, is my sense," the spy chief told Blumenthal. "It certainly hasn't generated the change in behavior that I think we all know we need."
"I'm an operational commander, not a policymaker," he added. "That's the challenge for me as a military commander." Rogers agreed with Blumenthal's estimation that Russian cyber operatives continue to attack the U.S. with impunity and that Washington's response has fallen short. "It hasn't changed the calculus, is my sense," the spy chief told Blumenthal. "It certainly hasn't generated the change in behavior that I think we all know we need."
Thanks for that, Ivan. It's always good to start out a topic on Russian interference with the mad hyperbole that comes out of a Russian troll farm.
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> I am not going to tell the president what he should or should not do,
Yeah, when I feel that my product could use an improvement, I never bring it up to the product manager.
I'm god, but it's a bit of a drag really...
but not Mexico would be hypocritical. Mexican citizens cast a significant number of votes in the election - illegally - which to me is a bigger deal than doing some advertising.
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Putin has the goods on Trump, and as long as those goods don't end up in wikileaks, Trump will continue to do Putins bidding.
Did you watch "good night and good luck" and sit there cheering for the bad guys?
Putin this, russia that. Democrats demanding we start WWIII over a dozen guys shitposting on facebook.
HILLARY WAS A BAD CANDIDATE, WORSE THAN TRUMP. THE END
That's pretty much it in a nutshell. Everybody wasn't voting for Trump as much as they were voting against Hillary. Hillary had many problems with high media coverage for years before she ran, why anyone thought she would make a good candidate is beyond me. Biden or Bernie would have been a much better candidate, but I think Hillary felt it was owed to her after she bowed out to allow Obama to win in 2008.
my karma will be here long after I'm gone
His buddy Putin would never try to sabotage America... trust him! The Donald is so honest about all of this stuff.
We should shoot all Russians on site. Make the world a safer place.
to change the calculus. So far the administration (who's in charge of the response) doesn't seem to have done anything. Wait, strike that, They actually haven't done anything. It's almost as if they somehow benefited from it...
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Seriously? Another Russia interference story? I'm not complaining, just impressed with how long the MSM can keep the story going.
What, exactly, would he do against people joining Facebook and Twitter, etc?
There is No HACKING. They are simply using the same tools that Americans use.
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
Shoot all the Russians on this site?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
But Rogers also made clear that he had not been granted what he called "the day-to-day authority" to disrupt Russian hacking operations at their point of origin.
To be fair, the range of actions to go after attacks "at their origin" in Russia would probably be a high risk no matter who was president, especially if it turns out the source is a Russian government agency. Admiral Rogers put it best near the end of the article:
Even if he were granted authority to act, Rogers questioned during the Senate hearing whether his agencies' capabilities would be the best or only response to those attacks.
"Be mindful of falling in the trap that just because someone comes at us in cyber that we have to default to immediately going back and doing the exact same thing," he warned. "I've always believed we need to step back and think a little bit more broadly about it and just don't default — it's because of that, you know, that I have not done that to date."
Go back to Russia and tell your master Putin that you've failed yet again, we're on to you, and we'll always be on the look-out for you foreign nationals trying to stir shit up in our country. Oh and by the way stop supporting Assad and North Korea, you assholes. Maybe someone should nuke you back into the stone age.
Your trolling is useles, commie!
Don't sabotage the narrative; do you have any idea how much effort went into its construction?!
The hysteria is growing exponentially. This is such bullshit. It is nothing more a pretext to avoid personal introspection. We are headed down the same well worn path of destruction and building on the same old landfill of old false ideals. Can't you people tone it down a little, at least until I'm dead and gone??
"Despite no real scandals".
WTF are you smoking? Did you get that approved by CNN before posting or did they just give you that statement for you to ponder?
Hillary Clinton has nothing to do with Trump's refusal to impose the sanctions against Russia that Congress passed and his refusal to even try to prevent Russian interference with our elections.
That Trump is doing as bad a job as Obama did in countering this threat.
Trump = Obama = Bush = Clinton
HILLARY WAS A BAD CANDIDATE, WORSE THAN TRUMP. THE END
Come on.. Let's be fair here... Both where pretty bad...
But I get your point... Hillary did have a lot going for her. Former Senator, Former Secretary of State and Former first lady with experience on her resume the envy of the field. She could talk a good game, had polish and was adept at political speak when cornered. Nobody could touch her it was her election to lose..... EXCEPT....
In walks Donald Trump, exactly zero elections to his name, no government experience on his resume. He's no politician, he has a brash temper, a big mouth and a knack for saying things he shouldn't in anger. He got in twitter fights over stupid stuff and basically played the roll of a lose cannon in a hurricane. This guy couldn't win an election for dog catcher...
So WHAT happened? Just look at history...
Hillary got out flanked by a rank amateur, like happened before. She floundered on that E-mail foolishness by arrogantly assuming she could just sweep it away with a series of white lies, but even worse, she believed her own press releases, she believed the national polling and she acted like she could coast to victory like she had in the primaries over Sanders. Hillary's problem was she didn't think she could lose, so she didn't really try all that hard. (Either that or she really WAS that sick during the campaign and *couldn't* physically keep up the pace.) This was EXACTLY what cost her the primary win 8 years previously, to a new comer again, the junior senator from Illinois, even though she'd been in the Senate longer.
Really, Trump didn't win it, Hillary lost an election she *should* have easily won...
So the question you have to ask yourself here is this. Why? Was it because Hillary didn't campaign well or because the 13 Russians spent a few hundred thousand on Facebook ads?
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
That has nothing to do with the Russian collusion effort except YOU and THEY have a shared goal it appears.
"dripped out the emails to cause maximum damage despite no real scandals"
Innocent emails about weddings and yoga cause damage?
If there was no scandal in the emails how would they have damaged Clinton? You can't have it both ways. Either the emails were damaging because scandal or the emails were innocent and not damaging. Pick one.
they didn't fucking do anything to the election you guys are fucking hysterical and delusional.
Trump doesn't believe Russia had anything to do with the election, despite his own top intelligence advisors, whose job it is to know these things, telling him so. Whether it's absolute incompentence on Trumps' part, or treason, is a matter for Mueller and/or later historians to decide.
Now, the smart move here would be not only to take steps domestically to prevent, or at least mitigate, outside influences, but to launch our own attack on Russias' electoral process, to get Putin out of office. Fight fire with fire; get someone elected in Russia who is more amenable to U.S. policies.
So the senator from Rhode Island outright admits he thinks that the process of electing the US government is a strategic threat. No shit, we change leaders every couple of years. It's designed to be a strategic threat -- if you can't convince the incoming guys that your strategy is the one they should keep using, then your strategy probably sucks and/or is arbitrary.
They need to investigate the 5.7 million illegals voted for Hillary.
"Biden"
Thanks for the laugh. Whatever problems Hillary had, he had them in spades. You're either clueless or a troll.
I don't see why these nations would need to spy on each onther unless there is an external force driving them against each other for the sole purpose of inciting conflict with the result of irreversible environmental, and societal destruction. Now, who would benefit from a war between Russia and USA?
There were no scandals but there were plenty of made up scandals to go along with them.
Remember how outlets got two different versions of what happened re: Sanders during the primary? There was a concerted effort to rig the primaries and also the primaries couldn't be rigged since they were all run by individual state parties, and the emails somehow showed both.
Remember the pizza place basement slave dungeon (at the pizza place that didn't even have a basement)? Those were from the emails, even though it was a conspiracy theory. People took it and ran, and it damaged the campaign. But there was less than zero evidence.
So your desire to make everything a straw-man two choice argument is either intentionally misleading, or because of a problem with logical thinking. Pick one.
Or not, because there's probably another 1000 explanations.
The emails caused damage only because the word "Hillary and Email" were once again in the news after the overblown email server IT mistake.
There was no actual wrongdoing in any of the emails that the Russian government colluded with the Trump campaign to drip out.
Gotta get the clicks I suppose. The combined number of comments for all articles in the past 48 hours is less than the number of comments generated by a single tech article back when Slashdot was about tech.
This place has become downright embarrassing.
Holy shit! You get modded up for that?! I guess nobody sees the DNC troll farm excrement filling the room! You people are real pieces of work, you are! We are heading back to the 30s via the 50s. And you will keep reelecting the same bullshitters over and over. Damn all of you!
Did Russia interfere in the election? Almost assuredly yes, however if you look at Mueller's indictments of people and companies it becomes clear they were just a Russian troll farm geared at creating a marketable advertising pipeline to specific profitable groups of people. It was basically done not so much to sow discord, but that sowing discord is profitable and they monitized it. Despicable, probably illegal, but it's doubtful it influenced the election at all. No information about the alleged DNC hack (some of the time stamps on the downloaded files imply a high bandwidth consistent with a USB drive and not a typical internet connection, also the NSA who monitors all of the backbone has nothing to say publically - please correct me if I'm wrong on this) and nothing to show the voter rolls being hacked, nor the phishing attacks on officials nor the attempted actual hacking of the voting machines themselves. This does not smell right, it's as if the arrests are unrelated but are being used to muddy the waters.
I personally hate trump, but I do see he has a few (very few) positives. For example even trump can see that the NSA surveilence on his political campaign is a sham. Don't get me wrong, I think carter page should be looked into, just like manifort. My issue is the NSA uses two hops, including through a corporation, so by getting a FISA warrant on page, one of his remote contacts works at google so the next hop is off to half a billion people per day - you me and the rest of the world are included. Then they go on a witch hunt and start parallel construction. 99.9% of politicans and CEOs are corrupt in some way, the 0.1% that aren't can have evidence simply fabricated. The selective enforcement using this completely unconstitutional process is what is creating a deep state of a few wealthy individuals and corporations that own the whole government. Personally I believe trump couldn't collude with his own right hand to wipe his ass, but has laundered Russian mafia/oligarch money as well as other foreign cirminals, if trump exposes this and we get some fundamental rights and control of our government back it would be a massive and unexpected win.
Russia is important but it is being used as a distraction to keep us from focusing on the real and far more important problems facing the nation. If you aren't familiar with William Binney I suggest watching this video as it is fucking mind blowing to me. If you can't stand Dore (he has been calling democrats out on the more bullshit smears of trump lately) take a few minutes to see what Binney has to say. I'm pretty sure the more tech savvy readers here will see how much sense his statements make.
Installing a secret email server in your bathroom to evade public info retention laws is a simple IT mistake? On which planet?
Ignoring the trolling in the above comments, the emails could be free of scandal and yet damaging.
Shortly before the election, James Comey announced that the FBI had reopened the investigation into Hillary's emails. Nothing came of it, hence no real scandal. However, there was a measurable effect on the polls and it quite possibly cost Hillary the election.
Nothing came of reopening the investigation, but it was very damaging to Hillary.
Wouldn't it make more sense that you're the Russian spy troll sent here to make Democrats look like unhinged imbeciles?
I love how angry you treasonous nazi republicunt faggots get as you're exposed as the cowardly little bitches you are.
"There were no scandals but there were plenty of made up scandals to go along with them."
Clinton campaign colluding with media to shut Sanders down and promote the pied piper Republicans is not a scandal? Showing the level of corruption that is normal for Clinton by hiring DWS after her disgraceful resignation that happened because of the unethical conduct uncovered from the emails, is not a scandal?
Wow, I guess if you change the definition, sure no "scandal". But for everyone else that was very unethical and scandalous. As far as I am aware pizzagate didn't damage Clinton because it was fake conspiracy with zero evidence. The other crap however haunted her, her campaign, and the DNC because there was evidence and Clinton flaunted it in everyone's face like hiring DWS.
Did the '911 was an inside job' damage Bush? Has there been any evidence that any conspiracy like pizzagate has hurt any politician to such an extent as to lose an election?
Uhh the Russian government hacked Hillary's campaign and the DNC and then dripped out the emails to cause maximum damage (but her emails...) despite no real scandals.
Trump's campaign aide Roger Stone communicated with, colluded with both the Russian government hackers and the Wikileaks Russian government mouthpiece.
The "hack" was some high-ranking clown clicking a URL in a phishing email and leaking his iWhatever credentials.
Her emails did expose real scandals. You can go and fucking read them if you want (you never will). The DNC and Hillary's campaign, along with media chills like CNN, rigged the DNC primary election for Hillary, despite Bernie Sanders being the far better candidate (even though he's a loon, he would have been an electable loon). And yes, Hillary leaked classified info through her private email server, then, "oopsie", wiped the server (like with a cloth) after cherry picking a few things to turn over as evidence. The FBI director even directly said she's guilty as shit and is only not being charge because of who she is.
As for colluding with Russia, we've seen that HRC, the DNC, and much of the Obama administration were doing just that when they paid for a faked dossier created by a British spy working with Russians, which they then used to trick a FISA court into letting the administration spy on Trump and his campaign so they could leak info to the DNC and Hillary to ensure her coronation. And she STILL fucking lost! Trump is an ass and often a buffoon. I sure as shit didn't vote for him, but I'm glad he won because he's caused tons of pathetic losers like yourself to have public meltdowns and yes, Hillary would have been far worse. The DNC and the media LOST and they're still trying to stir up a war with Russia.
I guess he needs orders to go to the bathroom. Maybe police should stop investigating as well until Trumpet the emperor gives individual commands to investigate.
Forget your meds again today I see...
Still trying to whip up some mysterious bogeyman to keep the war machine well funded. I'm confused. Do we still hate China? How about North Korea? Cuba? Surely we can't be at low-level war with a dozen or more nations! Are they stealing our oil or pirating our movies? Maybe we are haters.
US cyber warfare is not in NSA's agenda. They watch and sometimes share with other US agencies. The problem is the public is not aware of what information and which agencies use it or why.
There's plenty of evidence of crooked shit going down regarding emails that mention that pizza place.
No one's figured out what that crooked shit was, or if it occurred at that pizza place.
Many emails used code words to refer to specific people, places, and things. The pizza place could be a code for something else, or it could be the pizza place.
You can go look at the emails yourself and try to piece it together. You can also see all the work others have done in decoding various pieces of it.
To state that the pizza parlor was where they got their underage kiddos for sex is baseless conjecture.
To state that "pizzagate" is fake news, a "nothing burger", etc. is outright incorrect.
The implication that Russian fake news and memes caused people to not vote for Clinton assumes that Democrats who would have potentially voted for her were the ones who were tricked into switching votes. So, are the people supporting the Russian hacking theory saying Democrats are gullible idiots? Oh wait: https://www.buzzfeed.com/amphtml/ryancbrooks/thousands-of-new-yorkers-took-to-the-streets-in-anti-trump
Did Biden make up a ridiculous claim that he had to dodge sniper fire? Did he say that women and children have always been the primary victims of war? Was he tied to dozens of suspicious "accidental" deaths and suicides? Did he get a bunch of people killed during an aborted stint in office? Does he run a "charitable foundation" that is really a front for bribes, kickbacks, and other illicit pay-to-play dealings? Did he leak classified information all over hell? Did he conduct official business on a private server, then when under investigation get to choose which emails to hand over, then nuke the hard drives?
HRC is a monster and a true Clinton. She's a Reptilian in a failing skin suit.
The US shouldn't welcome Russians who are named Ivan? Because every Russian is a spy? Nice.
Look, Russia operates on a zero sum shrinking slice of pie model.
So does our current White House.
The problem is that, for most of us, it's far easier to just bake more pies, and accept a certain loss ratio, than to use half our resources defending our pie supply.
We know what we have to do: paper ballots, automatic voter registration, day of vote in person registration, and non-networked optical scan counting with an audit trail.
Everything else is a design for failure.
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This is about interference in political discussion across the board.
The Russians are in control of the narrative on both sides and are in control of the debate too.
Until we fix that, it doesn't matter what happens in the election, we're still fucked.
what about Koch funded trolls?
Bastard! You have blown their cover. Now that pizza place will suffer the fate of this pizza place:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/02/nyregion/robbery-stolen-sauce-mystery-surrounds-killing-of-brooklyn-pizza-maker.html
Ahaaa.
What, exactly, would he do against people joining Facebook and Twitter, etc?
There is No HACKING. They are simply using the same tools that Americans use.
Escalate.
1. Hack their systems.
2. Release their communications.
3. Expose their secrets
4. Attempt to destabilize their infrastructure.
5. Actual remotely destroy infrastructure. Take down networks. Disable systems.
6. Sanctions. Keep making them more and more aggressive.
7. Send in air craft carriers and other resources to put pressure on them.
Neither the left or the right may like it, but you must take action when you are attacked. There is no other choice. You can keep it proportional, but you have to send a message and if they don't stop you have to increase your response.
An act of war is an act of war, and attempting to change the outcome of an elections through false propaganda and hacking is an act of war, even if we have done it at times.
So many Russians, eh Train?
The only claim of interferene which they have made has been that of disseminating ideas. This is not technical hacking. They charged 13 people in Russia with essentially spreading false propaganda. But that's just speech. If they have evidence of any technical tempering, they certainly can't attribute it to anyone. Or, at least, they haven't charged anyone or made any public claims of charging anyone. So what should be a response to dissemination of flase information? Clamping down of information dissemination? How is this not an attack on free speech?
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
The hyperbole coming out of your Ukrainian troll farm is less mad?
just a question without malice. Why is your right to own guns more important than my right to have sarin gas or the artillery to use it in shell form? Mind you I am a gun owner, but this 2nd amendment thing is starting to sound like Jesus rode a dinosaur across the Potomac River to fight the British. Hacking has never been some sort of NSA secret code sort of thing. It's always been about scamming people out of passwords and using simple tricks to get what you want. Saying that "there is No HACKING" is a false flag. Just because I offer to hold someone's purse so they can take off their broken shoes doesn't mean that someone might use the same tactic to steal the purse. HACKING doesn't mean some kind of high tech super laser satellite thing. It's just another scam.
once more into the breach
Those are actually Ukrainian trolls, mostly paid with NGO money.
The actual email read out loud by Trump during the election was an edited version (edited in a Cyrillic version of Microsoft word) with an inserted piece from a known Russian propaganda site. It's not about what the emails said it's what the Russians added to the emails that make it nefarious. I can, and will give links if asked but it seems the flat earthers just can't accept any reporting of reality.
once more into the breach
All of Trumps people have private email servers.. good or bad pick one.
once more into the breach
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LIFE STINKS!
Deep State spooks are too busy trying to spy on everyday Americans to focus on anything else.
.."preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" (presidential oath of office)
So by NOT ordering the NSA to go after the Russians for their very well documented (13 indictments so far) interference, one wonders what, exactly he plans to do. The sanctions Congress approved (over his objections) have, so far, largely not been implemented and, barring some secret action it seems like he is going out of his way to spare Putin.
What exactly does Putin have on him? Does that infamous "dossier" actually contain some facts? Videos? Or is it simply to subjugate the interests of the United States in order to get rich(er) from various well documented real estate deals he has around the globe. Isn't that the very definition of being a traitor, getting rich by betraying your country?
Or is he (and perhaps a lot of his supporters) so stupid to believe that the Russians didn't hack the election and aren't seeking to divide the U.S.? That it's all just a "guy sitting on their bed who weighs 400 pounds"?
Apparently so. Then again, so are all the other loonies around here who are pushing for WWIII.
What other term would one use to describe a person who wants to commit mass fiery genocide against millions of people?
The past never had been altered. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.
Nepotism is not a virtue.
Here is the problem. Your missing a lot.
Russians executed an operation to influence an election. They used social media but also used hacking targeted at one party and one candidate. The Republicans used their control of Congress to trumpet Benghazi and private email to embarrass one candidate. Once Trump became the Republican nominee, the Republican hawkish stance on Russia softened with our President not even able to make one criticism of Vladimir Putin. Trump has not enacted sanctions and will not try to stop them in the mid-term. Of the three possible candidates, we got the worst one as a result of everything. The question is not who was the best candidate in 2016. Are âoewe the peopleâ going to let Russians and their Republican lapdogs take away our choice for 2018 and 2220?
Nothing has really changed. Why would Russia be deterred from doing this again?
No, sir, he did not.
You know who else didn't do any of this stuff? Clinton. But you go right ahead with your believing. It keeps you warm at night.
Except the "Russians" used social media to target lots of candidates and groups. The same phishing attempt the Dems fell for was also attempted on the Reps, except they didn't fall for it. So you're entire comment is naive and uninformed.
The closest thing to "hacking" involved was when someone asked the DNC and RNC folks for their email password and while the RNC IT staff blocked it as a phishing attempt, the DNC IT staff told Podesta to go ahead and give out his super-secret email p@ssword.
Typical liberal spin. They associate embarrassing things with idiotic ones, it's like a disgustingly arrogant red herring. "Oh people can see in our leaked emails that we are a bunch of dishonest cunts who validate cnn and nyt times stories before they publish them? Let's associate the leaked emails with Russian hackers and pedophile conspiracy."
At least if those dnc asswipes were honest people with real liberal values we could say, ok the ends justifies the means, especially after all the shit rove and rumfield pulled in the past. But no, it's just a bunch of common thieves and for some mysterious reason their supporters fail to see that.
No, sir, he did not.
You know who else didn't do any of this stuff? Clinton. But you go right ahead with your believing. It keeps you warm at night.
I see why you posted AC. Hillary literally said she had to dodge sniper fire and "run to our cars". When media showed the footage of her standing on the airport tarmac smiling and shaking hands, she quickly changed her story, saying she was "sleep deprived" when she said in front of dozens of crowds that she dodged sniper fire https://youtu.be/SfaxA9Q-9AQ
Lord only knows how many other things she said while "sleep deprived" that media haven't caught her on yet.
my karma will be here long after I'm gone