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GNOME 3.28 'Chongqing' Linux Is Here (betanews.com)

BrianFagioli writes: GNOME 3.28 is the latest version of GNOME 3, and is the result of 6 months' hard work by the GNOME community. It contains several major new features, as well as many smaller improvements and bug fixes. In total, the release incorporates 24105 changes, made by approximately 778 contributors.

The Project explains, "GNOME 3.28 comes with more beautiful things! First, and most significantly, GNOME's default interface font (called Cantarell) has undergone a significant update. Character forms and spacing have been evolved, so that text is more readable and attractive. Several new weights have also been added -- light and extra bold -- which are being used to produce interfaces that are both modern and beautiful. Other beautiful things include GNOME's collection of background wallpapers, which has been updated to include a lovely set of photographs, and the selection of profile pictures, which has been completely updated with attractive new images to pick from."

Unfortunately, you can't just click on a button and upgrade to GNOME 3.28 today. Actually, for the most part, you will need to wait for it to become available for your operating system. Sadly, this can take a while. Fedora users, for instance, will have to wait for a major OS upgrade for it to become available.

132 comments

  1. Chongqing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    What the fuck is Chongqing and what does it have to do with GNOME or Linux? The more important question is how many trans or non specific gender developers does GNOME have?

    1. Re:Chongqing? by jd · · Score: 4, Funny

      They have precisely e such developers in any given team. (Well, it's an irrational question, so of course you should expect an irrational answer!)

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    2. Re:Chongqing? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Back to "Stoned Beaver" - that was at least a fun name.

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    3. Re:Chongqing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They have precisely e such developers in any given team. (Well, it's an irrational question, so of course you should expect an irrational answer!)

      Geez, talk about using the wrong irrational number on fucking Pi Day.

    4. Re:Chongqing? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Geez, talk about using the wrong irrational number on fucking Pi Day.

      Sorry, but /. doesn't like π I could rant about Unicode support, but... "Quitters never win, winners never quit, but those who never win and never quit are idiots".

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    5. Re:Chongqing? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      I like pi.

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  2. Chongqing by Beyond+Opinion · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In case anyone is wondering about the name, Chongqing is China's fourth municipality, and was apparently the location of the GNOME.asia conference last year. This will save you from having to Google it.

    1. Re:Chongqing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It will always be Chungking to me.

    2. Re:Chongqing by nhtshot · · Score: 1

      It's also home to some of the most fantastically delicious spicy food ever created. I might have been born in the US, but my heart will always be in Chongqing.

    3. Re:Chongqing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I particularly enjoy the sweet and sour cocker spaniel.

    4. Re:Chongqing by Beyond+Opinion · · Score: 1

      I agree! I miss the food. Most everything else tastes bland in comparison.

    5. Re:Chongqing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So are we just ignoring the cultural appropriation issue here, or what? I thought the GNOME project was progressive.

    6. Re:Chongqing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So does the naming signal that Gnome3 has joined the Borg and is riddled with call-home-warez from kernel to wallpaper? So the main font has been upgraded (more like tweaked), along with wallpaper eye-candy which every downstream distro immediately replaces with their own selection anyway. So what is the actual upgrade here?

    7. Re: Chongqing by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      Or it is approved by people, some of who may be communist? Then again lumping everyone together is probably easier?

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    8. Re:Chongqing by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 2

      Chunking has nothing over old-school French cuisine. Like Rat-Cat-Touille.

    9. Re: Chongqing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Communists are pros at lumping people together with generalizations.

    10. Re:Chongqing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, it was served on bean sprouts with an amazing red chili sauce.

    11. Re:Chongqing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thankk you for sharing this information.

    12. Re:Chongqing by quenda · · Score: 1

      Chongqing is perhaps better known as Chungking (in the old Wade-Giles system).
      And the name is clearly a reference to the legendary Chungking Mansions " in Hong Kong.
      What better metaphor for the Gnome code-base?

      Eyesore, ghetto, jungle, goldmine, little United Nations. These are all words that have been used to describe Chungking Mansions, a building complex that is seen as both a foreign island in Hong Kong and an important part of the Chinese city's identity.

      From the outside, Chungking Mansions looks like a single, imposing concrete block - 15 identical residential floors on top of a neon-lit, two-storey mall.

      Past the front, it is like a maze - there are in fact five separate blocks, 10 lifts and multiple old, twisting stairwells filled with swathes of electrical cable, crumbling concrete and graffiti in multiple languages.

      The complex began life as an upmarket residential estate in the 1960s, but has since become a hub for traders from developing countries, backpackers and asylum seekers in Hong Kong.

    13. Re:Chongqing by afranke · · Score: 1

      Nobody would have had to look it up if TFS linked to the original release notes.

  3. Premature DEjaculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "GNOME 3.28 is here!"

    "... you will need to wait for it to become available ..."

    It's not here. I am GUI blocked. Much sad!

    1. Re:Premature DEjaculation by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      I bet they haven't fixed the mouse wheel anyway.

      Seriously. The mouse wheel being shit is the Achilles' heel of Linux desktop it seems. Only Fedora with KDE and an imwheel hack is even usable.

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    2. Re:Premature DEjaculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uhm... not sure what you mean about the mouse wheel, but I don't use Gnome.

      I have never had any problem with a mouse wheel on any Linux/Unix desktop/WM I've tried, and I have never heard of any such problem.

    3. Re:Premature DEjaculation by ISayWeOnlyToBePolite · · Score: 1

      I bet they haven't fixed the mouse wheel anyway.

      You know what to do: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/

    4. Re:Premature DEjaculation by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. I'll do it.

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    5. Re:Premature DEjaculation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1

  4. Requires systemd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfucker.

  5. systemd dependancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Do I need systemd to run it?

    1. Re:systemd dependancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of course.

    2. Re:systemd dependancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Indeed. Gnome was one of the first pieces of software to bake in an artificial dependency on systemd, at the direct request of Poettering himself.

      That single dependency is what railroaded systemd into all of the major distros.

    3. Re:systemd dependancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So its proprietary to GNU/Linux systems?

    4. Re:systemd dependancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It runs on OpenBSD, so no you don't need systemd.

    5. Re:systemd dependancy by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. The *BSD teams have to write wrappers or other bullshit to fix it. Funny that Linux has become Proprietary in the world of open source.

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    6. Re:systemd dependancy by See+Attached · · Score: 1

      That is the issue I have (too often) with progress, it limits choice and eliminates innovation outside the Ivory Tower. Can we get another Cathedral/Bazaar check? ESR - help! See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... "That cant be innovation!! We didnt do that!"

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    7. Re:systemd dependancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's still BSD.

    8. Re:systemd dependancy by caseih · · Score: 1

      I shouldn't feed the trolls, but the answer is, technically, no, Gnome does not require systemd to run. It does, however require a number of services such as ConsoleKit, which are provided by systemd. For most distros, then, systemd is a hard dependency. But it's only that way because no one seems that interested in providing the necessary services outside of systemd proper. There's nothing that says systemd has to be the system that provides this and other services. Distros are free to build their own equivalents of these services without using systemd if they want. In fact early on there was a non-systemd ConsoleKit, but no one seemed that interested in it, so it died.

      You can whine about this all you want, but I don't see you coding your own init system and providing third-party daemons and services to replace its functionality. There is someone who is doing this, though, and could probably use some additional resources: https://github.com/dantrell/ge...

    9. Re:systemd dependancy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ConsoleKit was developed by the same people behind SystemD (Pottering and Co.), that's why it's development stopped. And there's a non-systemd alternatives, like consolekit2; elogind, which is a fork of systemd logind for use in systemd-free linux systems, and i think there's another in use in BSD systems.

    10. Re:systemd dependancy by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      Systemd and Gnome3 are not about "progress"

      It all about redhat lock-in.

    11. Re:systemd dependancy by walterbyrd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just use Devuan with XFCE. Better in every way.

    12. Re:systemd dependancy by caseih · · Score: 1

      Pottering himself wrote a non-systemd ConsoleKit, but no one was interested in taking it up, not even the other distro makers who weren't so keen on systemd, so he let it drop. My point still stands. The link I shared includes instructions and patches for using consolekit2, and elogind with Gnome 3.

  6. Fedora users by jd · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Have these things called compilers. They can build the bloody SRPMs and then use those to build installable RPMs any time they bloody well like. That is the difference between Real Linux Users (who CHOOSE whether to wait or not, and who understand that their decision is a CHOICE) and those who believe that open source means you have to wait for a vendor.

    I emphasize this again. There is nothing wrong with waiting. As long as it is a CHOICE. If you feel that it is sensible to wait, or that you don't want to take the time, that is perfectly fine. That is choosing. It is one of the three Great Powers that open source gives.

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    1. Re:Fedora users by geek · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everyone, please get off this guys lawn.

    2. Re:Fedora users by ArhcAngel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Gentoo users scoff at lazy Fedora users. And they'd tell you themselves if their kernel ever finishes compiling.

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    3. Re:Fedora users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are the other 2 powers?

    4. Re:Fedora users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The kernel is nothing these days. Chromium or Libreoffice is the real pain in my ass.

    5. Re:Fedora users by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      And how about FVWM? That's good enough to manage the GUI for me.

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    6. Re:Fedora users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good 'ol fvwm2. My configuration file celebrated 15 years since last modification this year. :-)

    7. Re:Fedora users by iCEBaLM · · Score: 3, Funny

      Gentoo user here, eternally grateful to AMD for selling relatively cheap 8c/16t CPUs. :)

    8. Re:Fedora users by lenovosupport001 · · Score: 1

      Linux vs. OS X / MacOS typography has always been very bad and considering its efforts, it is highly appreciated. https://newzealand.babasupport...

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    9. Re:Fedora users by See+Attached · · Score: 1

      Sure we have compilers, but is the future outside the freshly paved road likely or even able to be outflanked by a better idea? When does this gang or that gang get to define that road? We have a benevolant dictator http://oss-watch.ac.uk/resourc... - is this landscape free from beneficial disturbance?

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    10. Re:Fedora users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two 4-digit IDs in a row. It's serious, guys.

    11. Re:Fedora users by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      That is the difference between Real Linux Users (who CHOOSE whether to wait or not, and who understand that their decision is a CHOICE) and those who have learnt about the package dependency hell and upgrade problems caused by self compiling large and critical packages within the distribution.

      FTFY.

      I'll wait for something stable thanks.

    12. Re:Fedora users by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      I use Calculate Linux, which is based n Gentoo.

      Supposedly Calculate is all Gentoo under the hood.

      I practically never compile anything. I just use emerge. Binary versions are out there.

    13. Re:Fedora users by jd · · Score: 1

      You know that warranty clause in software that says that nothing is ever stable and will never be stable? It means it.

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    14. Re:Fedora users by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You know that warranty clause in software

      Nope, I'm not autistic, I don't read software EULA clauses.

    15. Re:Fedora users by jd · · Score: 1

      Given that it's talked about extensively, that's surprising. Given the WARRANTY file is distinct from the GPL or LICENSE file, your claim has no validity. Given that it's not autistic people who read EULAs, that's extremely phobic of you.

      Congratulations, you manage to be wrong on multiple levels in a single insult. That requires considerable talent.

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    16. Re:Fedora users by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Given that it's talked about extensively

      Again, only a few autistic people talk about it. The vast majority of the "discussion" around this is either mocking, dismissing or questioning about who would ever read it.

      Nearly all people don't read licenses, few people including developers using the license have read the GPL, and even fewer people even register the existence of warranty files even when they are separate from the EULA.

      You can call me wrong all you like, but keep looking for that mythical end user whose actually read that legal documents that come with software. Most users can't even read a fucking warning message asking them to perview their post for speling mistakes before posting.

  7. Keep up the good work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep up the good work, almost looks like OSX! Soon!

    1. Re:Keep up the good work... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      heh you say that like its a good thing. glad linux != macos.

  8. Chun King is CHINESE FOOD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  9. Work station features? by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article seem to be mostly on how much nicer it looks. But it is 2018 the roll of the PC is very different then it was in 1998 or even in 2008.
    Back 10 years ago. The PC was the persons primary computing device for all things work and fun. We needed an attractive desktop environment as it would be one of our main views into the system. However even in 2008 most of our computing is via Web Sites. Back in 1998 when we used mostly application and installed mountains of applications on our PC's The UI and how well to use the Operating System was extremely important.

    Mobile Technology has taken the place of much of our personal computing. The average person can go days or weeks without having to use a traditional PC. The PC has moved from its job as a Personal Computer to a Workstation where we use it for actual work (and High end games). For this type of work, we need the OS to take a step back from saying Hey look at me how cool of an OS I am, to a place to showcase the application(s) needed to be ran. Features need to be focused on bringing the application running to the attention of the user when they need it, and keep many applications well organized so we don't get bogged down by clutter.

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    1. Re:Work station features? by greenwow · · Score: 2

      And this is why we switched from KDE and Gnome to Xfce. It doesn't get in the way of productivity and is small and fast.

    2. Re:Work station features? by mccalli · · Score: 1

      Don't underestimate the font improvements mentioned for doing exactly what you're talking about. The typography of Linux vs OS X/macOS has always been pretty poor, and seeing effort put in here is greatly appreciated.

    3. Re:Work station features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get over yourself. The PC has gone back to what it was in 1998 before AOL unleashed the hordes of unwashed illiterates on the internet-- a tool for actual productivity, unhindered by this "cloud" thing (which is just other people's computers doing my work and storing my data).

      As such a useful, productive desktop environment is a welcome change. Unfortunately, the Gnome team still thinks they understand how I should use my computer better than I do, and as a result, using Gnome is a continual exercise in frustration.

    4. Re:Work station features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... and ugly. And not nearly as helpful as KDE. Granted, I need to allocate at least 500mb of memory to run it well, and a modern graphics card helps, but if I wanted an interface from the 1990's, I'd still be running Windowmaker.

    5. Re:Work station features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      You clearly haven't understood what the GNOME project is about. It's about aesthetics.

      It's a project driven by a bunch of failed web "developers", who have absolutely no grasp of "productivity" or "usability". Hence the focus on looks and politics.

      As for your "analysis" of the "average" user it's just plain wrong. First of all, an "average user" does not exist, thus any UI made for an average will be a UI made for nobody and just be a gigantic fail.

      Secondly, It doesn't matter if your "average" user doesn't use a regular computer for weeks, or even years. A computer is not a device for someone who needs it sometimes, it's a device for someone who needs a computer. Frankly I don't get your drift at all: Who the hell fires up his or her computer to stare at the interface in the first place (except apparently for the people at Microsoft, who apparently think you own a computer to run Windows on it, and little else)? Your tie-in with mobile makes even less sense considering that GNOME are the clowns who have been leading on the FOSS side in trying to "mobilify" the desktop. KDE at least had the great sense to implement functionality to switch your UI depending on your current needs.

      GNOME is dead. It's a two bit desktop by megalomaniacal, egocentrical two bit people who can't code and can't stand one bit of competition or dissent. They don't care about their users, to the extent that they don't even really support themeing because it messes up their "identity". The users they once had doesn't give a shit about GNOME; the "average user" hasn't even heard of them - they're still stuck on Windows which came pre-installed on their computer and as far as they know is needed for a computer to even work.

    6. Re:Work station features? by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Funny

      Gnome 3: designed by coders, coded by designers.

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    7. Re:Work station features? by Trogre · · Score: 2

      I was about to post a rebuttal about mobile technology taking the place of personal computing, but then realized you are right.

      The PC is now more focussed on getting stuff done and less about looking nice and consuming menial content.

      That is why I use XFCE.

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    8. Re:Work station features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What school did you go to?
      > However even in 2008 most of our computing is via Web Sites.
      Is it still 2008? You used the present tense.

      > Back in 1998 when we used mostly application and installed mountains of applications on our PC's
      Everybody's probably buried under a ton of apps by now.

      > showcase the application(s) needed to be ran
      to be RUN, it's still the fucking English with all of its quirks! Please!

    9. Re:Work station features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it's ugly, you're doing it wrong. You can even do a better Mac-alike than Gnome by installing Plank and the TopMenu or ValaPanel AppMenu applets. There are good GTK themes available, and Xfce is thankfully mostly GTK2 rather than GTK3 (for now...).

    10. Re:Work station features? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gnome [...] is about aesthetics

      Since when is that ?

      Last time I checked it was my first GIANT playskool UI for tablet (and their moron owners ; so Gnome team removed all usefull options not to scare them)

    11. Re:Work station features? by doom · · Score: 2

      Mobile Technology has taken the place of much of our personal computing. The average person can go days or weeks without having to use a traditional PC.

      And yet, mobile devices are not actually suitable for serious creative work (no one writes a smartphone app on a smartphone), so they're essentially toys that encourage passive consumption.

      But the big linux distros are veering from their largely unsuccessful attempts at competing with Apple and Microsoft on the desktop to competing with Google for the mobile phone, and along the way are continually dumbing down their desktop software, making it harder to use for what it's actually (somewhat) good for.

      First it was the keyboard shortcuts getting dropped and/or broken (I was particularly impressed by gnome's keyboard shortcuts on the window menu, but without the Alt-Spacebar move to get into the window menu.... there are reasons I stayed with icewm). Now they're starting to damage the mouse controls, e.g. with a scrollbar that's skinnier, and hides away, and doesn't have the arrows at top and bottom to move in small intervals.

      (And by the way... is there a *reason* that the "Page Down" key doesn't reliably move down one page any more?)

  10. Fonts? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Who gives a shit about the system font? How about fixing display resolution independence, so I can have a 4k display next to a WXGA display without one showing everything stupidly tiny, or the other one showing everything fischer-price huge. Yeah, I know, install a gnome plugin that increases font size - except that does nothing for window components or non-text things you may want to display.

    This is a problem that OS X and Windows solved fucking YEARS ago, and it's still fucking horrible in Gnome.

  11. Is compatability a means of progress or control? by See+Attached · · Score: 1

    Is it good that updates are getting so picky about forward and backward dependencies? is this meant to improve our experience or to limit/collimate our choices ? Gnome and this LinRegistry ( I forget the name at the moment) seem intent to narrow the options. Would it be better in the long run for all distributions to be in lock-step at some level, or is diversity healthier? is forward / backward compat ibility a thing of the past? Is outflanking even possible any more? Perhaps its time to re-evaluate what Freedom means these days?

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  12. Oblig answer by ArchieBunker · · Score: 0

    You have the source so fix it yourself n00b!

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  13. I disagree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I roll a PC today I get mostly much the same odd results as when I rolled a PC in 1998 - it nearly always lands with one of the larger sides facing up, and very rarely on end. Its still poor at fulfilling its role as a dice.

    1. Re: I disagree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I rigged mine to roll a Nat20 every time.

    2. Re:I disagree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF is "a dice"?

    3. Re:I disagree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A bit more precise than a chop.

  14. Title bars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how tall the terminal title bar is. I use Debian7 at work at the size of those is really annoying (and CSS styling does not work with that Gnome version).

  15. Linux still second class desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know some absolutely love Linux desktop, but frankly my experience over the years is that its a second class OS in many ways and a very good OS in a few. I only wish Linux desktop was more on function, less on looks.

  16. Oh good. by sootman · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Because Gnome was perfect except for the fonts and the fucking wallpaper.

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  17. I'm sticking with MATE by Alain+Williams · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Gnome 3 changed in a way that removed things that I had become used to, eg the ability to create a set of desktops 3 by 4 and then do some tasks in specific desktops. Yes: you can have multiple desktops but only move up & down -- hard to use; no option to do it the way that I want.

    1. Re:I'm sticking with MATE by corychristison · · Score: 1

      Have you given XFCE a try?

      Highly recommend it.

    2. Re:I'm sticking with MATE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GNOME-flashback is way better than MATE. It's lighter and more stable while providing pretty much the exact same features.

    3. Re:I'm sticking with MATE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > no option to do it the way that I want

      this is by design.
      gnome team think their users are no brainer (remove all options) with big fingers (large buttons) that can't read (GIGANTIC font size).

      The problem is that in fact this applies mostly to their UI designers.

    4. Re:I'm sticking with MATE by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

      IMO: MATE blows Gnome out of the water.

    5. Re:I'm sticking with MATE by caseih · · Score: 1

      Not sure there's a good reason to try xfce when he already said the Mate desktop works well for him. In my opinion Mate is host better than xfce.

    6. Re:I'm sticking with MATE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IMO: MATE blows Gnome out of the water.

      That's really sad. Someone should tell MATE to let Gnome drown and be done with it.

    7. Re:I'm sticking with MATE by efitton · · Score: 1

      They have a history of breaking flashback being UI feature compatible if it somehow inconveniences what they want with Shell. Minimize would not put things at the bottom of the alt-tab stack for over two years when McCann was busy breaking Shell.

  18. Wow. by scumdamn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Fonts and desktop backgrounds. I'm glad those items are top of the line there. Too bad Gnome is still unusable and weird.

  19. Gnope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gnome didn’t get it right in the 2.x days (remember the spatial file manager fad), and 3.x just keeps on gnackering it. I’ll keep with mate, an xul web browser and a systemd free init.

  20. Umm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are way too many "beautiful" words in TFA. Maybe this is why Gnome sucks nowdays - it looks perdy but it is practically unusable.

  21. Which things did they remove in this version? by iampiti · · Score: 3, Insightful

    n/t

    1. Re:Which things did they remove in this version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would be OK with it, if they were really removing it. But it looks like Gnome 3.x's mission is hide everything from user behind obscure hotkeys and config tools totally killing discoverability.

    2. Re:Which things did they remove in this version? by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 1

      Exactly... The trend to obscure and abstract and relying on charmed corners, etc are the bane of good UI design.

    3. Re:Which things did they remove in this version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. They remove all these choices from users. Say they're still there. But need some config tool that isn't installed by default to change.

    4. Re:Which things did they remove in this version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This time, desktop icons.

    5. Re:Which things did they remove in this version? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, any systemD dependencies are still there.

    6. Re:Which things did they remove in this version? by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      I've been following debian testing for a while now, and my click-pad mysteriously changed from clicking in the corners to multi-finger gestures. Trying to use Libreoffice without knowing how to right-click anymore was very frustrating. Took me ages to work out which keywords to google and where the setting was to change it back. Why was this option not in the default settings dialog? Even hiding behind an advanced button?

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  22. Gnome Shell and two monitors by iTrawl · · Score: 1

    Can I get the top bar mirrored on both of my monitors like I want yet? I tried plug-ins, but they are all in the "kinda doing what I want, but not really" category, so I installed Unity 7 on my Ubuntu 17.10 after about a month of trying to use Gnome Shell. Also: Alt+Space, X you *expletive removed*.

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    1. Re:Gnome Shell and two monitors by doom · · Score: 1

      Alt+Space, X you *expletive removed*.

      Can I infer that you actually think that there should be a keyboard control to open up the window control menu, so that the keyboard alternates there are actually useful?

      I look at gnome every now and then, but things like that keep sending me back to icewm, where pretty much everything can be controlled by keyboard commands.

    2. Re:Gnome Shell and two monitors by afranke · · Score: 1

      I use Multi Monitors Add-On which has this feature.

    3. Re:Gnome Shell and two monitors by iTrawl · · Score: 1

      Alt+Space, X you *expletive removed*.

      Can I infer that you actually think that there should be a keyboard control to open up the window control menu, so that the keyboard alternates there are actually useful?

      Alt+Space does open the window control menu, but there are no one letter selectors in it, thus pressing "x" doesn't "maximize" and one has to use the arrow keys to select the option instead.

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    4. Re:Gnome Shell and two monitors by iTrawl · · Score: 1

      I think I gave it a shot. Just like in their screenshot, the second monitor does not get:

      - tray icons
      - power / logoff / settings icon
      - clock

      My second monitor isn't just a side show. It's an alternate primary, depending on what I'm doing. I don't want to look at my left monitor temporarily while I'm focused on the right. E.g. I have an applet that tells me if my Caps Lock is pressed because my laptop doesn't have a Caps indicator light at all.

      And I don't recall very well, but I think maximised windows behave differently on the second monitor in regards to title bar and menu bar than they do on the first. I have a hazy memory of being unable to get the close/max/min triplet because it wasn't shown at all on the second one.

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    5. Re:Gnome Shell and two monitors by afranke · · Score: 1

      I think I gave it a shot. Just like in their screenshot, the second monitor does not get:

      - tray icons - power / logoff / settings icon - clock

      Clock can be switched on/off, just like app menu and Activity. You’re right about the other two though.

      My second monitor isn't just a side show. It's an alternate primary, depending on what I'm doing. I don't want to look at my left monitor temporarily while I'm focused on the right. E.g. I have an applet that tells me if my Caps Lock is pressed because my laptop doesn't have a Caps indicator light at all.

      Fair enough. Maybe raise the issue to the extension maintainer?

      And I don't recall very well, but I think maximised windows behave differently on the second monitor in regards to title bar and menu bar than they do on the first. I have a hazy memory of being unable to get the close/max/min triplet because it wasn't shown at all on the second one.

      Seems to work exactly the same on both screens for me here.

    6. Re:Gnome Shell and two monitors by doom · · Score: 1

      Ah, my apologies. I'm clearly out-of-touch: I could've sworn it was the reverse. Whenever I try playing around with gnome, I always run back to icewm, and the last time that was why.

  23. Re:Fonts? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I care even less about the "great selection of desktop backgrounds."

  24. Irksome way to do this... by rnturn · · Score: 1

    ``Fedora users, for instance, will have to wait for a major OS upgrade for it to become available.''

    Hmm... seems like something I might have expected to come from Microsoft: "You need to upgrade to Window XX to get this new interface". Since when did the user's choice of desktop become an operating system decision? Not that distribution packagers give a crap about what users want but, IMHO, the desktop software ought to get pulled out of the "/usr/..." tree and placed under "/opt/desktop/..." and be updatable on the user's schedule and not require a damned OS upgrade (except when there are underlying library dependencies).

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    1. Re:Irksome way to do this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more like an operating system *vendor* decision unless you want to build and install it yourself.

      > (except when there are underlying library dependencies).

      A desktop environment does a lot. So it hooks into a lot. So yes, it does have a lot of underlying library dependencies.

    2. Re:Irksome way to do this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A desktop environment does a lot. So it hooks into a lot. So yes, it does have a lot of underlying library dependencies.

      It shouldn't. At least, no moreso than a shell does.

      But I think we've strayed a long way from that ideal...

    3. Re:Irksome way to do this... by afranke · · Score: 1

      Since when did the user's choice of desktop become an operating system decision?

      (Most) distributions don’t make any decision regarding your choice of desktop environment. You can e.g. run KDE or GNOME or XFCE or something else on Ubuntu, as well as Fedora, or openSUSE. The correct question would have been since when did the version of the desktop environment become a distribution decision, which boils down to the version of software being a distribution decision, and the answer would be forever. It has been precisely the job of distributions to carefully select compatible versions of a set of software pieces since distributions were a thing.

      Not that distribution packagers give a crap about what users want but, IMHO, the desktop software ought to get pulled out of the "/usr/..." tree and placed under "/opt/desktop/..." and be updatable on the user's schedule and not require a damned OS upgrade (except when there are underlying library dependencies).

      Mind you, for desktop applications you could switch away from the distribution packages to something like flatpak and have the newest GNOME applications as soon as GNOME releases them. This is precisely what it’s about, shifting the balance of software delivery back towards the ones who make the software.

  25. First, and most significantly? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, and most significantly, GNOME's default interface font (called Cantarell) has undergone a significant update.

    You updated the font? Can't wait to hear about the subsequent and less significant changes.

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    1. Re:First, and most significantly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In fact 10 engineers were devoted to calculate the kerning for every pair of UTF-8 character.
      So the font is 1.2gb large.
      So they have to remove some stuff so that it still can fit on a DVD.

      So they drop the file manager which is now discontinued

    2. Re:First, and most significantly? by afranke · · Score: 2

      You can read all about them in the release notes. Probably a better choice than an article that picked their favourite ones from there.

    3. Re:First, and most significantly? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the info/link. I'm not really a fan of the GNOME 3 interface -- I use MATE w/Ubuntu 16.04 -- so it doesn't really matter what they've done, but I'll look over the page you referenced anyway to reinforce my dislike. :-)

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  26. Lower case "a" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish more fonts would use a normal written lower case a and not the kind you'd see on a typewriter, I'll just have to change away from cantarell anyway

  27. Cinnamon here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It mostly stays out of the way and does what it should, and others who don't normally use Linux have no issues navigating it when they come over

  28. Re:Fonts? Really? by jasonshortt · · Score: 1

    Yes! Any time I see a new Gnome version announced I check the pics to see if the title bars and widgets are still uber big. Running Gnome on my laptop makes it feel "old", so I stick with Elementary which has sized their components to fit my screen in a much nicer way. C'mon Gnome... The thinking probably has to do with installing Gnome on tablets, which I'm sure is happening everywhere even though I've never seen it.

  29. Is this what we're reduced to? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After 6 months of development: "First, and most significantly, GNOME’s default interface font (called Cantarell) has undergone a significant update."

    Woo Fucking Hoo.

    Have they given us the ability to change the position, size or timeout of the onscreen volume notification? That would be worth the wait.

  30. Excellent news by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    For this will make sure that Linux in the desktop will continue to spin its wheels. Why is this a good thing? Because my XFCE linux desktop does all that I need, quickly and efficiently, and by virtue of the fact that, thanks to Gnome (and, to a lesser extent, KDE) Linux in the desktop will remain a non-entity, the bad guys will carry on neglecting it in their attacks. Thanks, Gnome people, for your invaluable contribution to make sure that the Linux desktop remains secure and safe.

  31. I tried by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I had to setup a computer a few weeks ago, and decided to give gnome another shot. This would be the first time using it in 5+ years. I was looking for something convenient, so I wanted it to work out.

    It was just a bit too user friendly. Why is it so hard to change the default terminal? Why is the nautilus menu so counter intuitive? Why, after installing an application with the gnome package manager thinger, can I not find my new application in the list of installed apps? I mean, even windows will search around the file system in various folders of convenience and show relevant results if what you're typing isn't found.

    I can't remember what the last straw was, but I installed xfce (again) and never looked back.

    1. Re:I tried by afranke · · Score: 1

      Why is it so hard to change the default terminal?

      What exactly makes a terminal application the default one? It’s not like the default video player that will open when you double click on a video file, or your default office suite. Installing another terminal application makes it appear alongside the previous one. What more do you need?

      Why is the nautilus menu so counter intuitive?

      That’s a bit of an empty statement and can’t be addressed if you don’t elaborate on what’s wrong or why it’s wrong.

      Why, after installing an application with the gnome package manager thinger, can I not find my new application in the list of installed apps?

      It should work. Maybe you hit a bug? Worth checking if it’s been reported and file a new one if that’s not the case.

      I mean, even windows will search around the file system in various folders of convenience and show relevant results if what you're typing isn't found.

      I’m not sure what you’re talking about here. Do you have an example of something you searched, where you searched for it and what a relevant result on your system would have been?

      I can't remember what the last straw was, but I installed xfce (again) and never looked back.

      If XFCE makes you happy, that’s good.

  32. Re:Fonts? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    great DIVERSITY of desktop backgrounds

  33. vtwm still works perfectly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    vtwm is the original "twm" window manager that came with X windows. vtwm is the virtualized form, with a modest box in one corner showing multiple panels one can select and get a different screen with different X applications running on it. This is much cheaper and more reliable than running multiple physical displays,. it's incredibly lightweight by modern standards, it contains none of the confusing debris that Gnome insterts by default to suck away your CPU and RAM,

    I'm sick to death of developers trying to re-invent the wheel. and create paradigm shifts of user interaction that *no one else in the world wants* and that break working tools. Keep It Simple, Stupid!!!!

  34. Examples unappealing by HiThere · · Score: 2

    Every example on the link showed only one window open. Sorry, that implies that they think I'm using a smartphone. I can't tell without additional checking, but it looks as if it's unusable for my use case, as I normally have several windows open in different applications. Even if this is possible at the moment in this release, I have a hard time trusting that they will keep the capability around. They've arbitrarily made changes too often in the past...and it's clearly not something they're interested in.

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    1. Re:Examples unappealing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh I'd say arbitrarily making changes is something they're very interested in.

  35. So it is written by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "So it is written--so it shall be done!
     
    Thus spake the queen of Chong, whose final word always became law.

  36. More useless, but beautiful, crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd rather see fractional scaling in Wayland but you know, font weights and backgrounds really matter.

  37. NSA software? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does that presentation of the software sound like it was written by Thump? And more importantly will it make me as stupid and ignorant if I use it?