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There Are Still 100,000 Pay Phones In the US (cnn.com)

According to the FCC, there are only about 100,000 phone booths left in the United States, and about a fifth of those are in New York. The number has decreased rapidly over the last couple decades as cellphones have been adopted by 95% of Americans. CNN reports of how these remaining pay phones still remain a steady business for some of the 1,100 companies operating them across the country: Pay phone providers reported $286 million in revenue in 2015, according to the most recent FCC report. They can still be profitable, particularly in places where there isn't cell phone or landline coverage, said Tom Keane, president of Pacific Telemanagement Services. Keane's company operates 20,000 pay phones around the country. "We have phones in Yosemite Valley that are extremely busy when there's not snow on the ground," he said. Victor Rollo said he is still making money off his 170 phones in the San Diego area. Rollo declined to say how much, but he believes pay phones are a lifeline for people who don't have other options and are valuable during emergencies or natural disasters. Rollo says he evaluates how many calls are made on the phones every month, how far away they are from each other, and how much his expenses are per month to determine whether to keep them in the ground. Phones in hospitals and along the border, where cell coverage is weak, are some of his most profitable ones.

97 comments

  1. If you think I'm calling creimer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    from my celly, you crazy!

  2. Its easy to profit by Notabadguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Its easy to profit when your customers are jail and prison inmates with no means of making or receiving calls except on $3.00 per minute pay phones that the prison gets a kickback from.

    1. Re:Its easy to profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Prison should be more like a five-star resort, right?

    2. Re:Its easy to profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Standard phone operation should be more like standard phone operation, right?

    3. Re:Its easy to profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Standard phone operation should be more like standard phone operation, right?

      Exactly. There's enough of a risk of being raped while behind bars. Financial raping should be criminalized.

    4. Re:Its easy to profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $3.00 per minute is less expensive than $110/month when you make 1-2 2 minute calls/year.

    5. Re: Its easy to profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What?

      And a big Mac from McDonald's taste like shit. Your point?

    6. Re:Its easy to profit by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Prison should be more like a five-star resort, right?

      Yes. Better and more human prisons are correlated with lower recidivism. Norway has the best prisons and one of the world's lowest rates of re-offense by ex-inmates.

    7. Re:Its easy to profit by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Prison should be more like a five-star resort, right?

      Explain how your howaboutusm relates to his statement.

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    8. Re:Its easy to profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $3.00 per minute when you are prevented from working is a lot more than $110/month on the outside.

    9. Re:Its easy to profit by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. There's enough of a risk of being raped while behind bars. Financial raping should be criminalized.

      The revenue from the phone calls is only one benefit. The other benefit is that by jacking up the cost, we can reduce communications and break down family and community bonds, which is known to increase recidivism. This means repeat business for the prison, lucrative overtime pay for the guards, and even more profit for the phone contractor.

      Win-win for the PIC.

    10. Re:Its easy to profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah, sure thing. Treating people like animals will certainly encourage them to make positive changes in their lives, post-incarceration. No chance whatsoever they'll become even more resentful of authority, or become mentally ill, or emotionally traumatized, or anything like that. They should just be beaten by the guards every day, allowed to be beaten and raped and otherwise preyed upon by other inmates, afforded absolutely zero human rights (including medical care), and otherwise treated worse than animals, because they broke the law. Yeah, that'll teach them to change. Bring back Devils Island. Or just throw them in a hole in the ground and forget about them; if they die, they die, tough shit. Hey, here's an idea: let's just shoot people in the head, right there in the courtroom. Spread out a tarp so you don't mess up the judges' nice carpeting. Justice for less than a dollar, what a bargain!

      Go fuck yourself, asshole. Assholes like you say shit like this, but as soon as you fuck up and end up in a jail cell, you'll scream about your 'rights', and your 'treatment', and cry and whine about everything. So how about you fuck off and die, we don't need your predatory idea of how society should be run, we don't need your shitty fucked-up 'for-profit' prisons, or any of your other fucked-up right-wing conserative bullshit. Just eat shit and die.

    11. Re:Its easy to profit by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'd almost think that the people behind for-profit prisons want to bring back slavery in this country.

    12. Re:Its easy to profit by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      Devil's Island is a French possession.

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    13. Re:Its easy to profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about Norway taking a few hundred thousand prisoners and rehabilitating them for the US? In fact, once they're model citizens again, Norway can keep them.

    14. Re:Its easy to profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this is one reason contraband cell phones are a white hot item for inmates. I've heard stories of even a shitty mid '00s era flip phone being worth several hundreds of dollars (in commissary) inside the joint.

        Unlike the prison pay-phones, the calls aren't recorded or monitored either.

    15. Re:Its easy to profit by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You'd almost think that the people behind for-profit prisons want to bring back slavery in this country.

      There is plenty of evidence that for-profit prisons are a bad idea, but phone price-gouging happens in state run prisons as well. In California, a major obstacle to prison reform is the prison guard union, which has an unholy alliance with conservative politicians. Liberal legislators are afraid to stand up to them, because they have other priorities, and don't want to be smeared as "soft on crime" for advocating sensible policies.

    16. Re:Its easy to profit by markxz · · Score: 2

      Have you looked at the in room phone costs in five-star resorts? It seems prisons have at least something in common.

    17. Re:Its easy to profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prison should be more like a five-star resort, right?

      I think the calls would be more than $3 per minute at the five-star resort.

    18. Re:Its easy to profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go fuck yourself, asshole. Assholes like you say shit like this, but as soon as you fuck up and end up in a jail cell, you'll scream about your 'rights', and your 'treatment', and cry and whine about everything. So how about you fuck off and die, we don't need your predatory idea of how society should be run, we don't need your shitty fucked-up 'for-profit' prisons, or any of your other fucked-up right-wing conserative bullshit. Just eat shit and die.

      Do we need to send you back to your cell without dinner or are you going to behave?

    19. Re:Its easy to profit by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Devil's Island is a French possession.

      You're just full of interesting and relevant facts today, aren't you?

      Uh, nope, today's the same as any other day, and you're still a knothead.

      Sorry if I got anyone unnecessarily excited, there.

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    20. Re:Its easy to profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd ask for Alaska in return, but my pick of 200 000 inmates wouldn't even be much of a problem. Except for the sheer volume, of course. There's shy of 4000 people in the entire Norwegian prison system. Hence Alaska.

  3. In NYC, it is all about ads by sequence_man · · Score: 2

    I expect most of their value is in the ads on the side of the phone booth.

    1. Re:In NYC, it is all about ads by PPH · · Score: 1

      But no tart cards.

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    2. Re:In NYC, it is all about ads by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      One of my favorite things living in Japan.

  4. Dear Superhero, by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

    These booths are for the use of our paying customers.
    Please limit your changing time if others are waiting.

    -- Thank you.

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    1. Re:Dear Superhero, by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Have you seen how the 1960s cartoon Underdog leaves a booth quickly?

    2. Re:Dear Superhero, by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1
  5. What's a ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    *Fingering away on my iShiney*, "What's a pay phone?"

    1. Re:What's a ... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      *Fingering away on my iShiney*, "What's a pay phone?"

      That's already happened in Scandinavia... in 2015 they disappeared in Sweden, 01.01.2016 it ended in Norway, 13.12.2017 the last one disappeared in Denmark. Those who grow up today will never have seen a working phone booth.

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    2. Re:What's a ... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Those who grow up today will never have seen a working phone booth.

      Obsolete tech can often have a long tail. The world's last telegraph service just recently shut down. Fax machines are still around (mostly used by lawyers, doctors, and governments). Typewriters are still being manufactured. You can even buy brand new floppy drives.

      I saw "Red Sparrow" last week. It seemed incongruous that the spies have smartphones, but still exchanged secrets on a big stack of floppy disks instead of a single thumb drive ... or maybe Dropbox. Spoiler alert: That is not the only implausible scene in the movie.

    3. Re:What's a ... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The floppy diskettes were from the Government. Meaning, the political/military part of the government. I was surprised they weren't 5-1/4" diskettes.

    4. Re:What's a ... by youngone · · Score: 1

      I bought a coffee from a bloke whose cafe was an old phone box (like the Tardis, except double width) in Edinburgh when I was there a few years ago which was cool.
      The phone booths where I live are all wi-fi hotspots now, if they're still there.

    5. Re:What's a ... by markxz · · Score: 1

      That would have been a former Police Box (of which the Tardis is modelled on a variant of) not a Phone Box which would not be big enough.

    6. Re:What's a ... by youngone · · Score: 1

      Yes, you may well be correct now I think back. I was just glad they found a new use for it instead of just getting rid of it.

    7. Re:What's a ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF is 13.12.2017? Are you trying to say 2017-12-13?

  6. That is how I get online by 110010001000 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I use an acoustic coupler modem to a payphone. That is how I avoid being tracked. The only disadvantage is my bittorrent throughput is really low.

    1. Re:That is how I get online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wern't they able to track some Hackers that were using 28.8 bps modems hacking a Gibson from a pay phone?

    2. Re: That is how I get online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those pesky hackers.

    3. Re:That is how I get online by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      28.8 bps is damned slow.

      Even the old ASR-33 Teletypes, which typed 10 characters per second, were 110 baud.

    4. Re:That is how I get online by dsgrntlxmply · · Score: 1

      45.45, 50, 75, and 100 baud were all used by electromechanical teleprinters.

      In the New York City area in the 1970s, we used numerous 75 baud current loop circuits in a bank transaction network, serving terminals at bank branch and merchant locations. It was said (unconfirmed) that these circuits were relatively inexpensive, and often were constructed of split pairs that would not be usable for voice. A single loop could serve a number of terminal units connected in series.

    5. Re:That is how I get online by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      By the time you finish torrenting a linux distro, there is a new release!

  7. Payphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like COBOL and Windows XP, they’re never going away.

  8. I have one by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a payphone - it's mounted on my office wall. I don't have the keys for it, and it's not connected, but to me, it's a fine nexus of pleasant memories. Most pertinently, I remember hanging out in a phone booth in rural Pennsylvania (just north of Marshall's creek on then-route 209, now "Milford Road" since the bungled Tock's Island Dam project federal land takings) with my girlfriend as a teenager, while we waited for the rain to ease up or stop. I've been fond of phone booths, and their pay phones, ever since.

    So when a friend, who works for the local telco/ISP, mentioned they were about to destroy a whole bunch of them, I asked for one, and surprisingly enough, they willingly handed one over.

    And there it hangs, just dripping nostalgia.

    Every once in a while, I get the urge to dig in with power tools and soldering iron and turn it into a working phone, but then I realize I don't actually want anyone to call me on a landline, ever, and the the urge subsides. :)

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    1. Re:I have one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its posts like these that keep me coming back to /. Thank you sir.

    2. Re:I have one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it rotary or touchtone? If rotary it's worth some... dimes.

    3. Re:I have one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't have the means, but I'd be tempted to put one up for (semi-)public service. Put it up somewhere where it'll see some service but not much vandalism, backed by a google voice account to keep costs down, that sort of thing. Because it's the kind of thing that can be a lifesaver and is a nice quaint hobby to keep up.

      And why not? You could take a bunch of "mesh potatoes" (though I'd want them to have high gain omnis, why they ommitted those is beyond me), hang'em high up around town fed off a solar panel and a battery, feeding a sturdy outside phone if not an outright payphone. Could even let wifi-enabled mobile phones join in on the community network. Modern tech to revive an old concept.

    4. Re:I have one by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      You can buy bluetooth to landline modules. They connect landline style phones to your cellphone. This would make the phone functional and avoid the landline costs and complexity.

      I just bought something similar for my MIL, since she has trouble using a cellphone and a landline was near impossible to get installed. The one I bought was a panasonic cordless phone that has this functionality built into it.

    5. Re:I have one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that sounds like a fun project.

    6. Re:I have one by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Nice tip, thank you. :)

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  9. This is not the least bit surprising by istartedi · · Score: 2

    The last hand-cranked telephone was disconnected in the 1980s., decades after they were common. IIRC, The last telegram was sent in India less than 10 years ago. There's always a long tail of old tech that had a large installed base.

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    1. Re:This is not the least bit surprising by Strider- · · Score: 1

      I think that would be the last public cranked phone... Non-profit I work with had a working system for inter-building communications that worked up until about 2010 or so. A bunch of alkaline batteries would last for a couple of years, and the bell was loud enough to hear over the noise of our power plant.

      I've since replaced it with fiber and VOIP, with a loud mechanical ringer in the generator hall... When the power goes out, the two-way radios work just as well, as you don't have to listen to them over the turbines.

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    2. Re:This is not the least bit surprising by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      I can still remember a brand new hand-cranked telephone being installed in the family farmhouse in Ontario, 1957.

    3. Re:This is not the least bit surprising by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      My uncle in a small East European town had an operator phone till the early 2000s. No hand crank, but you picked up the phone and waited for "what number, please?" to make a call.

    4. Re:This is not the least bit surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_alarm_call_box

      Telegraph as a medium is still in use in some communities with the fire alarm call boxes.

      I guess if it ain't broke...

  10. Next up, Fax Machines by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

    These things can't die soon enough, but with it being the only way certain types of document communications are allowed (certain medical and legal records), we'll be stuck with them for quite awhile longer.

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    1. Re:Next up, Fax Machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually just sent a fax yesterday, for the first time in nine years. And nine years ago it felt archaic and quaint. I have no idea why my in-laws still have the fax machine and land line to support it, I don't think they've used it in years themselves.

    2. Re: Next up, Fax Machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually have a multifunction printer / scanner / fax connected to my Ooma box. On occasion it comes in handy. You can leave the fax on and let the Robo callers waste their time.

    3. Re:Next up, Fax Machines by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      The McFly's of 2015 had several fax machines. Your in-laws are just waiting for that joke-fax from Needles.

    4. Re: Next up, Fax Machines by speedlaw · · Score: 1

      better yet, when "the IRS" or "microsoft tech support" are calling, put them on redial on the fax machine. All day.....great background entertainment listening to the six or so folks running the scam curse and bluster at your fax boop....booop....boop. Keeping at least one of their CSR's line tied up at all times is the lord's work.

  11. Is a cell phone a necessity in 2018? by tepples · · Score: 1

    It's a vicious cycle. With early adopters adopting cell phones, fewer pay phones remain in operation. This decline in pay phone availability causes a cell phone to become even more of a necessity for those who need to occasionally make an urgent call* and would previously carry change to deposit in the nearest pay phone. This leads even those who lag behind in adoption of new recurring services to get a cell phone.

    But some people are claiming that a cell phone is still a luxury, even one on a prepaid plan for $5 per month or less. And I can't really tell whether all of them are sarcastic or not. damn_registrars thought cell phones were still a luxury in 2015 just as they had been before they were invented. This AC would turn down jobs in order not to have to give out a cell phone number. ncc74656 thinks planning a whole day in advance built discipline in people before easy access to phones was common. Others, such as this AC and Zero__Kelvin, appear to claim that there exists enough "herd immunity" of cellular subscription among the population that in an urgent situation, one should expect to be able to bum a call off someone else.

    Who's right?

    * "Urgent" is more general than "emergency".

    1. Re:Is a cell phone a necessity in 2018? by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      When hte boom in cell phones started happening, I thought that eventually a pay phone booth would turn into... a phone booth, bring your own phone. Small counter to put stuff on, padded bar to lean on, some way of providing a quick charge, sound proof, perhaps even a faraday cage and a little tiny picocell for your phone to connect to with a guaranteed 5 bars/dots/whatevers (i'm not a radio/electromagnetic radiation guy - would that fry your brain in your head?). Want another 3 minutes of time? Insert another dollar please....

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    2. Re:Is a cell phone a necessity in 2018? by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      planning a whole day in advance built discipline in people before easy access to phones was common

      It certainly affected efficiency. I once tried to meet a friend en route to a beach vacation. We were traveling from opposite directions, and we agreed to try to meet around noon, and to do so at the first gas station on the right after crossing a certain bridge. Well, the first gas station on the right was twenty miles down the road. I stopped, filled up, bought a snack, and sat down to wait a little while. After about twenty or thirty minutes, I decided to double back just to be sure he hadn't gone somewhere else (his route was more likely to have unexpected delays). A few minutes later, I saw his car headed the opposite way and did a quick U-turn. We ended up meeting around 12:45. If we had had cell phones, there would have been no question about where to go (I'd have pointed it out to him), and I probably would have had something more appetizing than a bag of pistachios for lunch (because I'd have known how far behind me he was). As it was, the only real option we had was to call his parents and leave messages for each other.

      Plus, if you were headed somewhere specific but only knew the address, the solution was to find a mall, go to the bookstore, and crack open a high-resolution local map for directions. Not the easiest, and definitely slower than just popping an address into mapping software. We both drove a lot for fun, so we both had CB's (in the mid-90s, they were arguably better than cell phones if you drove in very rural areas - you would get assistance from nearby truckers or local police), but those were only useful for fairly short-range communication (2-3 miles typical range).

      So yeah, it made you plan ahead, but you also had to have a lot more allowance for inefficiency. Nowadays, if my wife and I hit the road, we can just pull out the phone when we get tired and find the nearest decent hotel with a vacancy, even if it's not visible from the highway, and we can eat at (mostly-reliably reviewed) local joints instead of the junk chains located at the nearest exits. Or, hell, if you're going to eat at a junk chain, you at least can be certain that there's one within a relatively short distance.

    3. Re:Is a cell phone a necessity in 2018? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That kind of thing was practically a daily event almost, back in the day. I remember missing a highway exit and driving a hundred miles into Kansas when I didn't intend to. Of course, by the time I realized the mistake I'd rerouted on my map and just went with it.

      That would never happen today because everyone has a GPS system on them.

      When I told that story to my family at the time, they all had similar stories about that one time they drove hours out of way also.

      You're right though, we probably wasted lots of time and resources due to lack of technology.

    4. Re:Is a cell phone a necessity in 2018? by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      Well - amateur radio goes a bit further plus we've got repeaters everywhere. That being said it also is used by local emergency management as they know their current communication system is just one big power failure from being non-operational.

  12. Airports by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    One favorite location for ripoff payphones is airports, where even a local call is several dollars.

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    1. Re:Airports by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Really? I haven't seen a pay phone in an airport in a long, long time. Where are they? I don't know of any in Atlanta, which is the largest airport I regularly travel through, but I also can't remember any in DCA, LaGuardia, LAX, SFO, Miami, DFW, Denver, or Vegas in the past decade.

    2. Re:Airports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? I haven't seen a pay phone in an airport in a long, long time. Where are they? I don't know of any in Atlanta, which is the largest airport I regularly travel through, but I also can't remember any in DCA, LaGuardia, LAX, SFO, Miami, DFW, Denver, or Vegas in the past decade.

      I haven't seen one either, but it makes a lot of sense. You arrive in a new country and discover your cell phone doesn't work, so you pay $10 to call someone to tell them you've arrived, or to pick you up or whatever.

      Interesting.

    3. Re:Airports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I realize my anecdote is not at all up-to-date, but there were plenty of courtesy phones for local calls when I was in the Sioux Falls airport back in '06-08 when I regularly traveled through there. I assume there were also pay-phones, but I don't have a specific visual memory of that.

    4. Re:Airports by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Cell phone doesn't work? Dang, man, that's about the first thing I usually arrange. Activate the international calling plan before you leave. Skip data until you get a local SIM (or a deal like Project Fi, which isn't the cheapest out there but certainly covers a lot of territory at a fair price). The airport probably has free WiFi that you can use for VOIP calls, and a number and a SIP app is cheap cheap cheap. I think my last SIP phone number cost around $3 a month, plus 1-2c/min, plus pretty reasonable international rates.

    5. Re:Airports by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      LaGuardia definitely has payphones. So do Penn and Grand Central stations. Can't recall if JFK or Newark have them right now.

    6. Re:Airports by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      You have to activate a calling plan *before* you leave? You live in a previous decade, do you?

      First thing that happens when I turn on my phone after landing in a foreign country is that I get an SMS from my telco (Telenor) telling me what my pricing/plan options are for making calls there. Usually offering a couple of decent choices.

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    7. Re:Airports by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Never been in Penn, GC, or JFK. Newark has been almost 20 years. But good to know.

    8. Re:Airports by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Verizon. Let the jokes ensue.

    9. Re: Airports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even those with no phone don't really have much need for pay phones, because everyone around them has one. My experience is that strangers ask to use my cell phone if they're stuck, and I have no problem with it as long as I can see the number they're dialing. "Long distance" charges aren't a thing any more, as long as they aren't calling internationally.and I can clean it with clorox wipes if they seem dodgy.

  13. nice bias, slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    title: "There Are Still 100,000 Pay Phones"

    summary: "there are only about 100,000 phone booths"

    As usual, your headline manipulation demonstrates your agenda.

    1. Re:nice bias, slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congratulations, you figured it out! /. anti-pay phone agenda is FINALLY out in the open for everyone to see.

  14. Sometimes they're reinstalled by Flexagon · · Score: 1

    In some cases, removed pay phones have been restored by request: Pay phone at ranger station near Big Four Ice Caves is reinstalled.

    And who remembers terms like COCOT?

    1. Re:Sometimes they're reinstalled by TheOldestGit · · Score: 0

      A friend bought a decommissioned box and installed it at the bottom of his garden as a toilet (worked for Manx Telecom - google the firm, they were sold off by tender).

      Cast Iron - you do not want to drop any part of one of these if you decide to strip down and clean up!

      No pictures (fortunately) but there are many other uses, such as community shops, libraries etc.

      GREAT project if you ever get the opportunity..

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  15. Re:Obsolete data by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    The "new" Norway full of Ahmeds and Tyrons won't be so successful on this metric.

    Ahmed Behring Breivik being one fine example, right.

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  16. Bait by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    To collect on voice prints and numbers called.

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  17. in hospitals do this for free quick calls by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1
  18. Still on BART by andymadigan · · Score: 1

    A couple of years ago I was thinking about how payphones had gone the way of the dodo, then I realized there was one right in front of me. They're in most BART stations. They seem to be less than 20 years old, and in working order, though I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually use one. I can't imagine who's actually paying to maintain them.

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  19. Re:Obsolete data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The "new" Norway full of Ahmeds and Tyrons won't be so successful on this metric.

    I don't think that it's genetics that's the culprit. The problem is their cultural framework, IOW their ideology.

    “So before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; and the tribe against the world. And all of us against the infidel.”
      Leon Uris, The Haj

    This was tribe life well before that small-minded Jew-hating child-diddling merchant Mo came along except for the last bit about the infidel. That's his contribution to the world.

    So before you can get the Ahmeds to behave non-stupidly you'd first have to knock the cultural stupid out of their heads. That's not gonna happen, of course. But the problem isn't genetics. It's cultural.

    Ahmed Behring Breivik being one fine example, right.

    I disagree with his methods --bloody AND nonfunctional, therefore needlessly bloody--, but his root cause analysis wasn't wrong. In fact, there are many more people who've come to the same conclusion that the problem with immigration is the ideology that both promotes it and loudly disparages any nay-sayers. Very slowly they manage to carefully voice that we need to stop doing what the progressives have had us do for some 40 years now.

    The problem very much is that the progressives ruling Europe have tried to import cuddly "new noble savages" because they'd run out of plightful labourers who'd vote for them, and they have systematically ignored any and all objections and even observations that their grand plan didn't seem to work very well. In fact, critiquing the progressives is the easiest way to get yourself called "populist" or "racist" or "islamophobic", or all at the same time. That, of course, does nothing to knock any stupid out of any heads whatsoever.

  20. There's more to prison than just rehabilitation by Viol8 · · Score: 1

    There's punishment too. I know, I know, thats not a trendy thing to say today where we must treat criminals as poor misguided souls no matter how heinous their crimes. But hey, some people think punishment is kind of important because otherwise there's little deterrant and no natural justice for victims. But what do those facist dinosaurs know eh? /sarcasm

    1. Re:There's more to prison than just rehabilitation by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Look at statistics. Punishment does not act as a deterrent above a certain low level. A would-be offender won't stop and think "oh, if I get caught, I will get ten years in a bad prison instead of five years in a good prison, so I won't do the act after all".
      The punishment in the US system isn't designed to be a deterrent to reduce crime, it's designed to be revenge to cater to the baser instincts of the unwashed masses.

    2. Re:There's more to prison than just rehabilitation by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      To be blunt, I don't fucking care. Punishment isn't just a means to an end, it is an end in its own right. What you call baser instincts most people would call justice and clearly you're just some naive little prick who's never been the victim or had a loved one who's been the victim of a serious crime.

  21. The original free calling plan by Presence+Eternal · · Score: 1

    Was a 6.5536 MHz crystal.

    Anyone?

    1. Re:The original free calling plan by mccalli · · Score: 1

      In the UK the emergency number is 999. For some reason I don't recall, payphones used to put themselves in emergency mode if you dialed 99, meaning the next bit was free.

      Allegedly this would then allow you to dial any number and use it without paying. Including international ones. Allegedly. Not that I would know this for certain you understand, and I certainly wouldn't have used it to keep in touch with a Boston-based university friend during some holidays during the early 90s.

    2. Re:The original free calling plan by speedlaw · · Score: 1

      Cap'n, is that you. ?

  22. Re:Obsolete data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's not pretend all Muslims have nomadic arab roots.

  23. Re:Obsolete data by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cultural outlook got anchored in their holy book, branded as Allahs Own Truth, To Be Obeyed To The Letter. Anybody subscribing to the ideology will be sharing that outlook and will continue in the same vein. So yes, all muslims the world over share their cultural roots very much with the nomadic arabs.

    We don't have to pretend this, for it's widely known and in fact loudly proclaimed by every muslim cleric.

    Besides, which group were we talking about? It's not the Arab Christians, nor the Arab Jews, nor the Arab Zoroastrians. It's the various immigrant groups in Norway, most from various parts of Africa and the Middle East, that're causing the most trouble. And we're not allowed to say it, but they're all muslims. That points strongly to a shared cultural trait, in casu the islamic ideology, and not genetics.

  24. Nothing wrong with Fax Machines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sending documents by phone line gets you legal protections you wouldn't otherwise get. A great trick is to write on the document "by fax and by mail", then indeed fax and mail it: It gets there quickly, you get a court-admissible delivery slip, and they also get it by regular mail, making it very hard to claim not having received both. It's much cheaper than registered mail to boot.

    In fact, I'm hugely disappointed that smartphones don't let you take a picture of a document then fax that. It would integrate with landlines, and doesn't take an incongruously and outrageously expensive "MMS" messages that are themselves poorly supported. I'm also disappointed VoIP operators are so poorly equipped to handle fax, and aren't even trying. This ought to be part of their job to do properly.

    Yes, it's old tech. But the concept is very useful. Why not upgrade the tech, instead of neglecting it and expecting it to die?

    In that sense, we nerds really ought to make sure the latest coolest gadgets, like smartphones, don't just support the new: They ought to support the old, and support it properly, too. Failing to do that makes the tech much less useful than it could be.

  25. That's why by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    I have a Western Electric 1D2 pay phone. It's hooked up in my office. https://flic.kr/p/5Duj1k

  26. Steal this idea! Please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in canada and cellphone plan are stupidly expensive and even the cheapest is not that cheap.
    There lots of unused pay phone here too: many commercial area/ gas station/ restaurant whatever have them.

    With a phone line you can actually get decent speed, ADSL2+ goes up to 50Mbit I think, not great but decent.
    What if those converted those to a wifi hotspot? The company that own the payphone are a communication company could easily do that and charge for a data amount / time or something.