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Mark Zuckerberg Addresses the Cambridge Analytica Scandal, Says Facebook 'Made Mistakes' in Protecting Data (buzzfeed.com)

Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg on Wednesday commented on the massive, deepening data harvesting scandal his company has been embroiled in since last Friday. From a report: "We have a responsibility to protect your data, and if we can't then we don't deserve to serve you. I've been working to understand exactly what happened and how to make sure this doesn't happen again," he said. The scandal -- involving the illicit collection of data from 50 million Facebook users, and its later use by Trump campaign analytics vendor Cambridge Analytica -- has helped chop off nearly $50 billion in value from Facebook's market cap since last Friday, led to calls from US lawmakers for Zuckerberg testify before congress, and raised eyebrows at the U.S. Federal Trade Commission, which is now probing the company. Speaking of things Facebook plans to do to ensure that this mess doesn't repeat itself, Zuckerberg added, "First, we will investigate all apps that had access to large amounts of information before we changed our platform to dramatically reduce data access in 2014, and we will conduct a full audit of any app with suspicious activity. We will ban any developer from our platform that does not agree to a thorough audit. And if we find developers that misused personally identifiable information, we will ban them and tell everyone affected by those apps. That includes people whose data Kogan misused here as well.

"Second, we will restrict developers' data access even further to prevent other kinds of abuse. For example, we will remove developers' access to your data if you haven't used their app in 3 months. We will reduce the data you give an app when you sign in -- to only your name, profile photo, and email address. We'll require developers to not only get approval but also sign a contract in order to ask anyone for access to their posts or other private data. And we'll have more changes to share in the next few days."

There is no explicit apology in Zuckerberg's comment today.

127 comments

  1. Sorry I got caught defense by OffTheLip · · Score: 5, Informative

    Facebook's business model is predicated on this data collection and selling to whomever is willing to pay.

    1. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Informative

      Obama paid them with a private phone number/direct access for eight years.

      This time they're pissed because they think they were cheated, only got money.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    2. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5520303/Obama-campaign-director-reveals-Facebook-ALLOWED-data.html

    3. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Obama paid them with a private phone number/direct access for eight years.

      Good thing that's so obvious that there's no need to bother with a cite. Not conspiratorial at all.

    4. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In other news, Hitler said he "made mistakes" in protecting Jews.

      That Godwin was too easy.

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      "Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
    5. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      British Tabloids are not good sources.

    6. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Huh? Obama talked about it personally. Why deny the great thing Facebook did to destroy Rmoney's chances? Without Facebook, we might have had another four years of hell to live through because of those Republicans. Our lives have been destroyed by a year of Rump. Imagine what things would be like and how many more people would die if that was preceded by four years of Rmoney-theocracy.

    7. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by greenwow · · Score: 1

      Yes, but claiming that is illegal for people to talk to each other is standing against the 1st amendment. It was legal for Obama to talk to them and for them to talk to Obama.

      The difference now is that it was illegal for them to talk to Trump because they did so in order to destroy our election.

    8. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I think Ivan has declared Cyber War on the planet; the problem is, it's not illegal to express ones self in America. Bravo Ivan.

    9. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Pseudonym · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Of course it is. Cambridge Analytics bought the data from third party apps though, not Facebook, thus undercutting Facebook's business model. This is why Facebook is cracking down.

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    10. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      https://nypost.com/2018/03/20/obamas-former-media-director-said-facebook-was-once-on-our-side/

    11. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by rogoshen1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Jesus fucking Christ. This 100%. Not even getting into the 'Trump did this, Obama did that bullshit'..

      These clowns have been hoovering as much fucking data as possible about everyone, going so far as building shadow profiles for non-members. Why else would they do this, other than to sell it?

      Zuck, no one fucking believes you, I hope you, and your your company goes the way of Myspace.

    12. Re: Sorry I got caught defense by Holi · · Score: 1, Insightful

      a condemnation of hypocrisy from the right?? OMG the irony.

      In other words "Pot meet Kettle"

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      Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
    13. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely, the mistake here wasn't the leak, the mistake here was that his business model relies upon collecting a creepy amount of private data and selling it in one form or another to other parties. Either directly, as in this case, or indirectly by using it to target ad campaigns.

    14. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      COO of Facebook.

      Wikileaked email

    15. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      American Tabloids are not good sources.

    16. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And worse, it talks about believing in fantasies and fairy tales. Those people are delusional.

    17. Re: Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's a financial blog closely connected to Breitbart and a few other "alt-right" sites. In other words, information value = -1.

    18. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The devil worship thing is for real also. I thought that it was some dumb Alex Jones "fantasy" until proof came out.
       
      Do these people have nothing better to do with their time?

    19. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Daily Mail is not a reputable source.

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      Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
    20. Re: Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      C'mon, Vlad, you can try harder than that.

    21. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by sexconker · · Score: 2

      The best part is the media is now trying to discredit all of it by pumping out "news" and late night monologues that lambaste the conspiracy as fake, baseless, etc., Q as a nutjob or possibly some dangerous individual, and the people following the whole mess as stupid, gullible losers.

      Expect to see a lot about Q and this conspiracy in the media soon, as they try to laugh it off the stage.

      All they'll do is bring it to more people's attention, and get more people on the side of exposing this shit.

    22. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by sexconker · · Score: 2

      https://wikileaks.org/podesta-...

      What's next? "Primary sources are not good sources."?

    23. Re: Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If anything you look like the Vlad to me buddy, or should that be comrade?

    24. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does free will exist, or can people's democracy be coerced with clever AI / clever advertising / clever Facebook data manipulation?

      I think it's quickly becoming clear that there is no free will and presidencies are purchased like any other commodity.

    25. Re: Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right wing conspiracy pages aren't proof of anything except your own gullibility.

    26. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's an email slugger, it does not prove that Facebook had a private number to call Obama. That's the part that's hard to swallow. Got it?

      Wait you knew that, and you knew that the claim they had a phone number couldn't be proven... You're hoping to ignore it and claim victory by providing partial proof to an a different point.

    27. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by dwye · · Score: 1

      But how will people be able to post their drunken party pictures for the world to marvel over, if Facebook is gone?

      BTW, MySpace still exists. The last that I read about it, it was THE go-to site for following bands.

    28. Re: Sorry I got caught defense by Escogido · · Score: 4, Informative

      Did you actually read the article at the link? There are plenty of links to sources there - Time, Twitter, The Guardian etc. You can't really disregard them simply because they happened to appear in an article on a website you do not like or do not consider reputable.

    29. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Subm · · Score: 1

      > "we don't deserve to serve you"

      When most leaders say they "serve" people, they mean as a servant, to help and support the people they lead.

      Zuckerberg means to serve you and your identity as in serving a slice of pie to the highest bidder, like the monstrously obese Mr. Creosote in Monty Python's Meaning of Life. Only Facebook is as monstrously obese.

      So it's a monstrously obese Mr. Creosote serving you to another monstrously obese Mr. Creosote. But the movie scene is less disgusting than Facebook.

    30. Re: Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sure I can. And I have plenty of modpoints cached away on other UIDs to make my point.

    31. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zuck had no problem with selling 10% of Facebook to Kremlin.
      At that point the shareholder has a right to look at a lot more than just the data that is for sale.

    32. Re: Sorry I got caught defense by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Even with legitimate sources, it's extremely easy to twist the truth to fit an agenda, by either picking and choosing what to cite in your article, or even by deliberately misquoting the sources (because very few people care to check)

      Zerohedge.com has done this a lot in the past, so it is only natural to distrust them.

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    33. Re: Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WOW, you have modpoints cached away. We are most unsettled now. Please refrain from activating your, no doubt, endless powers.

    34. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/50406

      Moar better. Unreal.

    35. Re:Sorry I got caught defense by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen any of that on NPR or the other media I follow.
      https://www.npr.org/2018/03/21...

  2. ok by nnet · · Score: 1

    Of course they will. After all, their primary concern is the users, not the stockholders.

    1. Re:ok by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I find myself in the camp of, "yup, the animals have all run away, time to close the barn doors."

  3. Thanks by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 1

    we don't deserve to serve you

    ... That's all I needed to hear, and I couldn't agree more.

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    Which has more power: the hammer, or the anvil?
  4. Facebook is dying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    thoughts and prayers, FB, thoughts and prayers

  5. And under his breath.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    ....he doesn't tell anyone on how they will let liberal/socialist companies/groups continue to access that data....since they're in bed together!

  6. #winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Facebook also dragged down the rest of the stock market Since its illegal to hire foreign nationals to run your campaign, not to mention the rest, looks like we are really in store for some serious #winning.

    1. Re:#winning by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      Frankly -- about time that a lot of so-called "tech" that's really based on making users the product and advertising to them crashes and burns. Tech Bubble 2.0 will end, and only the productive companies will emerge.

    2. Re:#winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Frankly -- about time that a lot of so-called "tech" that's really based on making users the product and advertising to them crashes and burns. Tech Bubble 2.0 will end, and only the productive companies will emerge.

      HAhaha... I hope you are right, but I think you are failing to not apply logic.

    3. Re:#winning by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Logic and history puts a crash at about every 8-10 years -- it will happen, only question is this year, next, or in five years.

  7. LOL by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's so much bullshit, because it is a damage-control response to the CA issue only.

    The problem -- of which they are deeply and keenly aware -- is MUCH larger than just CA, and has existed this way, intentionally, for YEARS.

    This is a farcical non-response, though some of the measures they are now forced to take will indeed partially address the broader issues.

    1. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Nothing about the fact that they collect and analyze all of this data in the first place. And if they're not doing it already, they will simply do all of the psychographic profiling themselves and then sell *that*. After all, they have shareholders to answer to.

    2. Re:LOL by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      CA as in California? I'm thinking the nation is more than California. And FB is an Irish corporation now.

    3. Re:LOL by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      I'd assume: Cambridge Analytics.

      GP define you acronyms first use.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    4. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP define you acronyms first use.

      English bad make use of words

    5. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP as in Guadeloupe?

    6. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck that, it's an obvious abbreviation of a key element of the story. Anyone who couldn't figure it out is a moron.

      PS (post scriptum): you forgot to define GP (grand parent), asshat.

    7. Re:LOL by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Anybody who can't figure out your lame attempt at communication is a moron?

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  8. email address? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why are outside "app" vendors being essentially handed lists of emails? Unfortunate that this will continue, even after the changes -- this is bad practice and promotes spam if nothing else.

    1. Re:email address? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not "lists of emails" and this has nothing to do with email.

      It's lists of behaviors and preferences. An email doesn't tell me if you live in a key swing state, if you're gullible, if you're likely to share a piece of political fake news with your own networks, if you're likely to attend a real-world event as the result of something you see on the Internet, if you are connected with other people who fit the same profile, and what their likelihoods are. This is about identifying people who are susceptible to feeling a certain way and doing something I want as the result of reading something I have had published.

  9. Facebook 'Made Mistakes' in Protecting Data by jellomizer · · Score: 1

    Obviously, the fact that Cambridge Analytica was linked to Facebook was a grand mistake on their part. There shouldn't had been any connections to Facebook.

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    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  10. I don't use Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and neither should anybody else.

  11. cover your ass all you want, mark.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    your shit still stinks.

  12. CA snake oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The LA Times has an article on the snake oil component of the CA data mining spiel. One expert

    compares the firm's alleged Facebook intrusion to burglars who set out to rob a vault full of diamonds and end up hauling home a bag full of worthless cubic zirconia

    It's all cubic zirconia. Despite the privacy snowflake flurry, your individual preference and opinion data is worth less than the postage on junk mail.

    1. Re:CA snake oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that case, I'm sure they won't mind if I withhold it from collection.

    2. Re:CA snake oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's all cubic zirconia. Despite the privacy snowflake flurry, your individual preference and opinion data is worth less than the postage on junk mail.

      That depends on how much data there is and how well it's analyzed. Preferences can be aggrandized and correlated to more accurately predict behavior.

      If it's just me, and it's just "I like cookies" then it's practically worthless.

      If it's years of collecting all of my online activity, correlating it with the activity of others, and then reaching an accurate conclusion of "this person is 10% more likely to get out and vote for Trump if we show an ad of Satan arm-wrestling Jesus" then I would think it's actually pretty valuable.

    3. Re:CA snake oil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its precious you think you can actually do this.

  13. OK... by Pseudonym · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "And if we find developers that misused personally identifiable information, we will ban them and tell everyone affected by those apps."

    The official Facebook app doesn't count.

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    1. Re:OK... by mvdwege · · Score: 2

      Doesn't matter. WIth the entire EU bureacracy involved in rolling out GDPR, you can bet your arse that those responsible for enforcing data protection directives are casting eyes at Facebook and Cambridge Analytics already.

      It makes for such a nice test case: "Look, it is already illegal under the old rules, and under the new rules we can really put the hurt on them". And since CA is still an EU company (Brexit won't happen for another year), and Facebook does substantial business in the EU, I expect they are going to get in trouble.

      Want to place bets on how quick the Zuck will run to Daddy Trump to ask for punitive trade regulations if the EU tries to fine him?

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  14. Obama, Trump by labnet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So have I got this right.
    Obama scrapes Facebook data for two elections = okidoki
    Trump may have used Facebook data = SJW fainting scandal.

    https://www.fastcompany.com/40...

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    1. Re:Obama, Trump by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Facebook wasn't all that popular in 2008. MySpace was too much of a hot mess to get anything of value from it.

    2. Re:Obama, Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Obama scrapes Facebook data for two elections = okidoki
      Trump may have used Facebook data = SJW fainting scandal.

      Obama used Facebook data = Facebook is bad
      Trump used Facebook data = Facebook is bad

      Facebook = bad

    3. Re:Obama, Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was for the 2012 election.

    4. Re:Obama, Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Obama used that data to inform voters while Putin made Facebook order users to vote for Trump. Hugh difference.

    5. Re:Obama, Trump by ArchieBunker · · Score: 3, Interesting
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    6. Re:Obama, Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't trust anyone with this amount of data or the influence it provides, no matter who it is and their intentions.

    7. Re:Obama, Trump by burtosis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't really feel like defending Obama because I disagree with a lot of what he did but explain to me this:

      Did Obama's campaign hire foreign nationals to do the scraping?

      Did Obama's campaign break the TOS of facebook or any other data privacy laws?

      Was Obama's campaign transparent in his methods? Because Cambridge Analyitica is secretive, uses shell companies and encrypted self deleting emails, and Nix is on tape saying he happily lies, uses honey pots and the like, and misdirects - did Obama engage in hiring people who use those methods?

      Did obama's campaign use fake web logs, fake news articles, and other knowingly factually incorrect sources, in a highly targeted approach to misdirecting unsuspecting undecided voters?

      You may consider it splitting hairs, I certainly don't approve of Obama's use of invasion of privicy for his social media campaign, but this looks like a case of comparing theft of a stack of free newspapers to a bank robbery.

    8. Re:Obama, Trump by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Facebook had 100MM users in 2008 and about 1 billion in 2012. Considering that there were about 130MM votes cast in 2008 and 125MM in 2012, I'd say that 100MM to 1 billion users is quite a large number to scrape. It was 10 to 200 times the margin of victory in each election.

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    9. Re:Obama, Trump by burtosis · · Score: 2

      I feel like this may be a waste of time, but, I'd like to answer your questions.

      Did Obama's campaign hire foreign nationals to do the scraping?

      If anyone at facebook was working on a H1B visa, -or- if there were any foreign offices of facebook during '12, then yes, there were foreign nationals involved with the scraping.

      I'm not a lawyer, but I think this is a difference. You cannot directly hire foreign nationals and pay them like CA. For example, AT&T may have H1B employees, but that dosent mean a robocall campaign would run afoul of campaign finance law. If obama paid foreign nationals directly, I'd like to know.

      Was Obama's campaign transparent in his methods? Because Cambridge Analyitica is secretive, uses shell companies and encrypted self deleting emails, and Nix is on tape saying he happily lies, uses honey pots and the like, and misdirects - did Obama engage in hiring people who use those methods?

      No, I'd say his campaign was downright giddy and braggadocious about invading 1 billions people privacy. As for CA's shifty dealings, I'll agree they were underhanded, but pail in comparison to the free information shoveled to the DNC about, well, basically anyone who has a facebook account, or even is close friends IRL with someone who has a facebook account.

      That to me sounds like obama was fairly open with what he was doing, though I do not agree with it due to privacy reasons myself

      Did obama's campaign use fake web logs, fake news articles, and other knowingly factually incorrect sources, in a highly targeted approach to misdirecting unsuspecting undecided voters?

      Yes.

      I realize he did targeted ads, but I can't find purposefully fake information. Could you provide an example? It's easier for me to get a perspective when I have others to see how they think so thanks.

    10. Re:Obama, Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama's were campaigns from the era of email. His campaigns were primarily sending his messages to his supporters.

      The Trump FB campaign was based on influencing gullible people in swing states who didn't even know that what they were reading was part of the Trump campaign.

    11. Re:Obama, Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The issue is not that a propaganda / social media machine was employed, because that's pretty common in modern politics (ethics aside). This case is a scandal because of:

      1. Foreign involvement (a UK company)
      2. Cooperation between the campaign and PACs

      Those two things are known, and very illegal. It's beyond "scraping Facebook data."

      On top of this, it's speculative but looking more and more likely as additional data comes to light that CA and Trump were involved in misuse of hacked data (DNC/RNC records) combined with personal information from Spectrum Health (linked to Erik Prince/Blackwater and his sister Betsy Devos) funded with Russian cash to microtarget individuals in swing districts. Obviously this last part is not yet proven, but the pieces all fit together extremely well.

    12. Re:Obama, Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama used Facebook data = Media: "Obama smart & hip to the new tech"
      Trump used Facebook data = Media: "Trump bad, super bad & ultra bad"

    13. Re:Obama, Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama campaign didn't "scrape." They released an app with an openly declared data policy and adhered to that policy.

      CA lied to users and Facebook itself.

      It's an easy distinction but you're really just a dishonest shill trying to cloud things aren't you?

    14. Re:Obama, Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obama's campaign disabled various credit card security measures specifically so that he could take in money from foreigners:
      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/28/AR2008102803413.html

    15. Re:Obama, Trump by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      That was the prevailing viewpoint at the time, yes. We have learned a lot about Facebook's behavior since then, and have become a lot more critical.

      Future presidential candidates will not be allowed to do the same things with FB data, no matter which party they're from.

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    16. Re:Obama, Trump by burtosis · · Score: 1

      Ahh thanks I had not read that. It's refreshing to go back and read the corruption from the good old days when it was just a few million or two of foreign money or amount over small donor limits. 2008 was before citizens united and a measly 35 million was in PACs. Now it's over a third billion, there is absolutely no accounting anymore, and they openly collude with candidates (which is still highly illegal for now).

    17. Re:Obama, Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not even close to the same thing and you know it. Quit being a reactionary cunt, it makes you look like a real fuckwit.

    18. Re:Obama, Trump by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      You might want to look up the company Hakluyt before you get all righteous on this one.

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    19. Re:Obama, Trump by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      https://abcnews.go.com/Technol...

      Obama campaign "asked" users, not the same thing.

    20. Re:Obama, Trump by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      In the legal fiction of corporate personhood, facebook is an American and CA is British.

  15. The mistake is actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... on the hands of those who use Facebook at all.

    1. Re:The mistake is actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just because you don't use Facebook does not mean they don't have a profile on you (a so called "shadow profile"). These are profiles formed based on other people around you.

      There is nothing you can do about it. You're in the system whether you like it or not.

  16. Gee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think, genius?

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  18. This is ridiculous. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is congress jumping all over Zuck's shit when they don't seem to give even the slightest fuck about the data breach that affected anyone using any form of credit in the country? Facebook data-breaches only affect those that already have the mental illness that made them sign up for Facebook. Who cares?

    1. Re:This is ridiculous. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe your question is rhetorical, I don't know, but let me spell out the obvious: Zuckerberg should have spent more on bribi err lobbying them.

  19. Should we expect privacy with Facebook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't privacy and Facebook a sort of a odd combination? After all it's free to use, and in return Facebook tries its best to find ways to make money. Frankly I don't believe for a second that Facebook doesn't know this stuff goes on. I also do not believe Zuckerberg has any motivation to do anything about this. Zuckerberg is a college dropout who had a ideal that managed to link people and that was good, until he sold out to everyone to make money off it.

    1. Re:Should we expect privacy with Facebook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Facebook, or similar, could make plenty of money just selling advertising. Wouldn't have to be targeted advertising. All uploaded info should be encrypted while it's not on the users device.

  20. No Explict Apology? by dave562 · · Score: 1

    Gee, does that surprise you? They are being investigated by the FTC and who only knows how many private practice lawyers looking for a pay day on this one.

    It would be stupid for him to apologize or offer any sort of statement that could be construed as culpability.

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  22. I can see the updated FAQ already! by ukandystreet · · Score: 1

    For example, we will remove developers' access to your data if you haven't used their app in 3 months.

    In order to protect your privacy Facebook recommends that you change your name, date of birth and social circle at least once a quarter.

  23. Only happening because Hillary lost by schwit1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Translated ...
    "We didn't mean for our longstanding creepy privacy destruction policies to benefit a Republican rather than a Democrat this election cycle, and we promise it won't happen again"

  24. Where is his morality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    From all I've read about Mr. Zuckerberg, he is a sociopath, someone who cannot understand how his actions cause hurt to other people. As long as he and his little circle of people are taken care of, that's all that matters to him. To him, it's otherwise all just business. Hit him where he lives in order to wake him up to the fact that he has taken on a great responsibility. A moral responsibility to the entire human race. Either he takes his responsibility correctly, as a good human should do and fix the mistakes, or else live with the person he has to face every morning when he has to wash his face. It's his choice.

    1. Re:Where is his morality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Zuckerberg factually demonstrates sociopathic behavior, he doesn't care about morality and can easily live with the person he has to face every morning when he has to wash his face.

  25. Media company issues... by bayankaran · · Score: 2

    FB is nothing but a media company, with a news feed that resembles live TV, albeit personalized and "customisable" to an extent.

    In any publicly listed for profit media corp the tussle will be between the editorial department which wants full control on content vs marketing / sales which needs sales from selling space. FB has no editorial department, its the users for most part and algos, but marketing / sales is where FB earns its valuation and profile.

    What do marketing/sales do? Sell space on news feed, and sell user data.

    I feel FB will be profitable even if it stops selling user data. But then almighty greed.

    The only plus for current fiasco..."FB boy for POTUS" is DOA.

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    Tat Tvam Asi
  26. Well, we "knew" that it happens... by squash_me_quickly · · Score: 1

    Social media is a system by which idiot will pay(with their time) to give their personal information to a company which(like all companies) main goal is to make their stockholders some money. Knowledge is power.

  27. So what were the mistakes? by HiThere · · Score: 1

    If he were being honest, it's my guess that he would list the mistakes as;
    1. Not being paid enough for the data, and
    2. Getting caught.

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  28. So basically, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facefarm wants to prevent third party apps from profiting off of data that they could be harvesting, getting rid of the competition. There's literally no mention on what Facefarm is going to do to limit THEIR data collection as well. So, it's monopolizing under the umbrella of the outcry from idiots dumb enough to use Facefarm anyway. Clever.

  29. isis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If someone wants to contact you on facebook, they have to make a friend request. They can't give you their email address for you to contact. Facebook gave the email addresses of all the evangelicals to ANALitica, who were pestered with millions of emails telling them Trump would bring on the second coming of Christ. That's why he was elected.

  30. Keeping silent is the real problem... by chris.vanderheyden · · Score: 0

    No, Mark the REAL mistake is that you kept your mouth SHUT ... IF Facebook would have been honest and open about this in 2015, Cambridge Analytica would have probably found it harder to do its shady manipulations of the 2016 elections. Thanks a lot for Trump, Mark !

  31. Policy change is not enough after causing damage by diodeus · · Score: 1

    When you have a billion dollars, you have no excuse for not understanding the harm you product can cause. If your product is a car, you're on the hook for failed airbags, or whatever negligent harm your product causes. In the case of THIS SITE, that harm is towards civil society and democracy itself.

    How do you measure that level of damage and liability? And what is the adequate response to what is either epic negligence, or a shadowy sell-out? In either case damage has been done and someone owes us a lot more than a privacy policy change.

  32. "MIatakes were made" by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

    No, Facebook did not make any mistakes, because Facebook is a faceless abstraction. People at Facebook made mistakes (or more likely, knew exactly what they were doing and how much money it would make them). So who exactly were those people, Mark?

  33. No apology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Giving a list of actions to be taken is better than an apology. Apologies are mere words and basically meaningless when profits are being still made.

  34. Re:Policy change is not enough after causing damag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the Democrat's eyes, "civil damage" is any win by a Republican. Your community was completely opposite this viewpoint when Facebook was letting the Obama campaign datamine its supporters friends' info without their knowledge. Your voice on this is absolutely not credible in the slightest. As such, when you say "Democracy" you really mean the Democratic Party and not the real progress of democracy, which would contain wins by your opponents. Nobody owes you anything.

  35. Not at all hypocritical by OneAhead · · Score: 1

    Really, Zuck??? People have been decrying for years how Facebook's policies were a threat to online privacy. You cannot possibly feign to be caught off-guard by this scandal when it was structurally due for roughly a decade.

  36. Facebook made a mistake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They forgot to charge a fee. Gotta make money off your personal data somehow!

  37. The Daily Mai by An+dochasac · · Score: 1

    The Daily Mail is a perfectly reputable news source for racists, nationalists and Brexit voters Just ask the Daily Mail. It's as unbiased as Fox News, Breitbart and that weird pro-Trump (fake) patriotism TV channel.

  38. Translation: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you for this "scandal" which will allow us to crack down and more tightly control our customers (through "enhanced auditing") while adding more tiers to our data pricing schedule. Hopefully this PR word soup will give our product the confidence to continue to use Facebook while we work on gaining better control over every transaction we can charge for.

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  40. Remember facebook beacon!! by PatNevin · · Score: 1

    Facebook/CA creating profiles from data gleaned "below the surface". In any other walk of life, industry, time in history "below the surface" would translate as "surveillance" - when did that become ok? It was abundantly clear what CA were up to in 2015, as outlined here http://www.netopia.eu/the-neve... We need to start paying for things online!

  41. Re:Policy change is not enough after causing damag by diodeus · · Score: 1

    I am neither of those things, not being an American. By seeing this as DEMS vs. GOP you've already put the blinders on, and that's exactly why this is dangerous.