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Russia Secretly Helped Venezuela Launch a Cryptocurrency To Evade US Sanctions (time.com)

According to an exclusive report by Time, Russia helped Venezuelan officials create the world's first state-backed cryptocurrency to skirt U.S. sanctions. The cryptocurrency was launched in late February and was banned by the Trump administration earlier this week. From the report: The new cryptocurrency, a form of digital cash that is supposedly linked to the value of Venezuela's oil reserves, was launched on Feb. 20 during a ceremony in the presidential palace in Caracas. Nicolas Maduro, the socialist leader of Venezuela, declared that it would serve as a kind of "kryptonite" against the power of the U.S government, which he sarcastically referred to as "Superman." Sitting in the front row at that ceremony were two of Maduro's Russian advisers, Denis Druzhkov and Fyodor Bogorodsky, whom the President thanked for aiding his fight against American "imperialism." Both men have ties to major Russian banks and billionaires close to the Kremlin. But they were not the most senior Russians involved. According to an executive at a Russian state bank who deals with cryptocurrencies, senior advisers to the Kremlin have overseen the effort in Venezuela, and President Vladimir Putin signed off on it last year. "People close to Putin, they told him this is how to avoid the sanctions," says the executive, who spoke to TIME on condition of anonymity. "This is how the whole thing started."

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  1. Re:How long? by Ryanrule · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a bit after a russian shill promotes the idea

  2. First (conservative) post by null+etc. · · Score: 2, Funny

    But... but... but... Hillary Clinton lost the election and the only people who care about Putin's involvement in Venezuela's cryptocurrency are butt-hurt snowflakes who can't accept that their candidate lost.

    1. Re:First (conservative) post by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      defended Putin since we do a lot of bad stuff too.

      No, that's more the type of thing an old-school Ted Kennedy liberal would do.

  3. How's those sanctions working out? by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    They seem to be doing a great job of getting them to hook up with Russia. They're also keeping food and medicine out of the country. I'd like to say that at least we're not supporting a dictatorship, but that ship kinda sailed when Trump congratulated Putin on his victory. Helping the Saudis bomb Yemen isn't helping either. We don't have a lot of moral ground to stand on in that theater.

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  4. Hope some people got fed by wolfheart111 · · Score: 1

    You know its not the government that will suffer, I hope it helped some people there. Why cant people just fucking get along...

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  5. Evade US sanctions by manu0601 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If the goal was just to evade US sanctions based on dollar, why not just trade oil in ruble or yuan?

    1. Re: Evade US sanctions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Cause itâ(TM)s a failed state, and everything is a shit-show.

      How many have died, or will die of starvation now? Anyone keeping track? Nahhh, fucking media doesnâ(TM)t care. But the stench of rotting bodies will eventually waft to neighboring nations.

    2. Re:Evade US sanctions by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Oil is just not worth much for some reason.
      Venezuela needs oil to be much more expensive all the time to fully support its failed Communist government.

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    3. Re:Evade US sanctions by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      If the goal was just to evade US sanctions based on dollar, why not just trade oil in ruble or yuan?

      It's simple: the sanctions are not based on any specific currency. This bypasses the sanction because "petro" is not a (recognized?) currency.

      I would however like to point out that Venezuela has put itself in a precarious position because any motivated nation-state could easily perform a 51% attack on "petro" and utterly destroy it.

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    4. Re:Evade US sanctions by JBMcB · · Score: 2

      I would however like to point out that Venezuela has put itself in a precarious position because any motivated nation-state could easily perform a 51% attack on "petro" and utterly destroy it.

      I'm guessing the blockchain is closed, so Venezuela can control how many clients connect to it. I don't think the Petro is designed for regular people to use, but as a method for the government to do forex trading with other countries.

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    5. Re:Evade US sanctions by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      And America needs to be constantly at war to help support its failed Democracy.

      Democracy is an awful way to run a country, but it's the best system we have. - Winston Churchill

      Although I have trouble understanding how only having two political parties to vote for makes a "Democracy".
      Especially since your guvment have been slowly chipping away at your own constitution for decades, next will be the right to bear arms. Most (if not all) of your nutters who shoots up a school was flagged as a potential risk, but NOTHING was done. WHY? So they can point at the violence and deaths and say, "See, guns are bad, only we the guvment should have them".

      America, the land of the not so free.

      Reagan shut down a LOT of mental institutions and all those nut jobs have been roaming the streets, it's a recipe for massacres as has been proved again and again, yet NOTHING is done. WHY?

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    6. Re:Evade US sanctions by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Because oil is traded in dollars internationally. Russia and China want to end that monopoly (ie control) by introducing another way to trade oil. This has been in the works for a while, looks like it's finally coming into fruition. It will be interesting to see what the value of the dollar is when countries start dump it back into circulation instead of keeping it to buy oil. Hyperinflation here we come! Just a pity that it's going to cause chaos worldwide when it's cheaper to wipe your ass with a hundred dollar bill than use toilet paper.

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    7. Re:Evade US sanctions by mjwx · · Score: 4, Informative

      Democracy is an awful way to run a country, but it's the best system we have. - Winston Churchill

      If you're going to quote someone, quote them properly (or at least say your paraphrasing or from memory).

      "Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time" - Winston Churchill, 11 November 1947.

      The full quote is:
      "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.â¦"

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    8. Re:Evade US sanctions by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      They still want to trade in usd, that’s why. Ruble and rmb are shit.

    9. Re:Evade US sanctions by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      Yeah ok ivan

    10. Re:Evade US sanctions by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      I don't get it? Is calling me a commie about the worst insult you can manage? I suppose if I was a brainwashed American I might be mortally offended, but all I am really getting offended about is your lack of capitalisation. I also find it highly amusing that in your so called democracy with it's vaunted freedom of speech as soon as I say anything you don't like your response is something akin to a five year old's "you're a doodoo head". Where is the reasoned discussion? The counter argument supported by fact and eloquently worded. I think your "free world" education is somewhat lacking.

      So I will try to bring this post down to a level you can understand and appreciate (although I fear it may require a frontal lobotomy and about a year's worth of sniffing glue, but here goes).

      Yeah, OK Billy Bob.

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    11. Re:Evade US sanctions by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Seems yet again, one party cannot accept any responsibility for what it passes. On one side it's "blame the other guy" for what they do, and then "blame the other guy for not stopping us!".

      So get rid of BOTH FUCKING PARTIES! It's a pretty shit democracy if your ONLY presidential choice is crap and crappier.

      people "roaming the streets" now are NOT from activities 40 plus years ago.

      So they rescinded that decision and people who are a danger to themselves and others are being kept in new shiny facilities where they can be evaluated and rehabilitated / helped? Or are both your political parties still waffling on about who is to blame for what happened 40 years ago while the problem is still roaming the streets and shooting the shit out of your schools?

      Slightly off topic, but wtf - from an outsiders viewpoint there is very little difference between your 2 political parties! One likes abortion, the other doesn't. One likes guns, the other doesn't. Big woot.

      What the outside world sees is that both parties like shooting the shit out of countries they have invaded illegally so they can steal their oil.
      I am not American, personally I don't care, I have my own problems.
      If I were American, I would be more concerned about what either is doing *right now* to fix the fucking problem. How do people who are ALREADY on watch lists and have been reported multiple times for erratic behaviour be allowed to walk into a gunshop and purchase (more) guns?
      Anyway, if the populace is unarmed or not it's not going to stop the nutters from killing people, take the recent home made bomb blasts in Austin (I think) using household chemicals and a recipe he probably got from Wikipedia.

      You can take away the guns - but you are not fixing the nut jobs.

      Taking civilians weapons away because of these attacks is an excuse to stop you overthrowing your own oppressors, but by the time you wipe the shit out of your eyes and ears it will be too late.

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    12. Re:Evade US sanctions by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1
      Fair enough, I would just like to point out

      "Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time" - Winston Churchill, 11 November 1947.

      If you are going to quote someone, quote them properly, with the full quote, and not some paraphrased version.

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    13. Re:Evade US sanctions by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      commie? russia is facist. lol really, commie. update your playbook ivan.

    14. Re:Evade US sanctions by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      The response was so pathetic I.. actually don't give a shit. Except for the fact you cannot figure out capitalization?

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    15. Re:Evade US sanctions by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

      so, you cant counter it, so you go for insults. got it.

  6. Anonymous people always confirm your story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Where would journalism be without them?

    1. Re:Anonymous people always confirm your story by nnet · · Score: 1

      Before or after intertubes?

  7. Leave Venezuela alone by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Their citizens have suffered enough already. Why focus on one dictator when the world is full of them?

    I'm glad Putin did it, even though he's an asshole in general, just like I'm glad Trump reduced H-1B "body-shop" application approvals even though I disagree with most his other stances. I'll give kudos to jerks when they accidentally do right.

    1. Re:Leave Venezuela alone by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      Not disagreeing with your sentiment (e.g. if Trump pulls the NK thing off), but don't you think that this will enable the continuation of the Venezuelan government which is ultimately responsible for its peoples' suffering?

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    2. Re:Leave Venezuela alone by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Who gave America the right to overthrow dictators? The puppet government that gets installed afterwards by the US is not exactly democratic anyway. "But the people voted!" you say, well if all it took was some Russians spamming stuffs on the internet to alter the US election I don't have much faith in the vote of the "sheeple". Maybe what the world needs is a couple more dictators, instead of ass lickers who start wars to get votes. Libya was a paradise under Gaddafi compared to the "democratic" shit hole it is now. Children getting raped and forced into militant groups, death and disease and starvation. But hey, at least they got to vote!

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    3. Re:Leave Venezuela alone by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

      Guess who would be holding the bag would Venezuela finally implodes?

      Erm, the Venezuelan's? Why should America be left with the bag, unless it's the bag you are holding out to collect their oil.
      In ANY country you can find a group of people (dissidents) who do not like the current political setup. America is fond of arming these people and sending them in to topple the evil regime, and when these terrorists / freedom fighters get their ass handed to them the USA intervenes directly to help the terrorists / freedom fighters to further America's agenda, it has nothing to do with Freedom or Democracy.

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    4. Re:Leave Venezuela alone by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen any evidence that these sanctions or lack thereof have any impact on the lifetime of any given regime. There are plenty of heavily sanctioned regimes which continue for quite a while, and plenty of unsanctioned regimes which were overthrown.

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    5. Re:Leave Venezuela alone by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      That's their problem, not ours. Let's bud out.

  8. Re:CryptoCurrency could break the bank? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    or make a lot of bankers really pissed off, if all the nations that dont want to use the US petro-dollar for trade it could put a HUGE dent in the value of the dollar, which is not worth much nowadays anyway, i bet all those central banks around the world tied to the Rothschild bank and the Federal Reserve would be ready to start WW3 over it

    I don't think that's actually true because if it was then we would probably see burgeoning cryptocurrencies being absolutely demolished by 51% attacks. The banks could easily afford to commission their own ASIC chips and begin slaughtering cryptocurrencies en mass. That fact that they are not doing this means they don't see it as a true threat.

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  9. Re: How long? by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    OK, so why did Trump's lawyer pay her $130,000 then?

    It's not slander if it's true.

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  10. Re:So? by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 2

    Lol, you sure sound like one.

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  11. Re:How long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You seem a bit obsessed with Hilliary Clinton.

  12. Re: How long? by Luckyo · · Score: 1, Troll

    I must say, this latest bout of inane hysteria in mainstream media has been funniest to date. "He did the exact same thing that pretty much every European leader did, must be collusion/treason".

    Never seen such a direct admission that European leaders are also colluding/treasonous if narrative spun has any semblance of reality. Literally, everyone is guilty. Can it even be termed collusion if everyone does it? The proper name for universally accepted standard is usually "cooperation".

  13. Re:CryptoCurrency could break the bank? by jouassou · · Score: 1

    value of the dollar, which is not worth much nowadays anyway

    What are you on about? About 10 years ago, 1 USD was worth e.g. 0.6 EUR and 5 NOK, but now it's 0.81 EUR and 7.69 NOK. Are you just complaining about general inflation?

  14. Re: @#$%@ing Russia stories on slashdot continue.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I too am American and hate antirussia stories. I will definitely unsubscribe from Slashdot.ORG because of it!

  15. Re: How long? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    he asked for sex and exposed himself in 1991 (there was no assault)

    Actually exposing yourself to an unwilling person is Sexual Assault. The worst kind of assault.

  16. Re:Why did they need help? by LordWabbit2 · · Score: 1

    To start an alternative way to trade oil - currently it's done exclusively in America dollars. It's part of what keeps the currency so strong. Take that away and all of a sudden the dollar is going to be worth a lot less. So I suppose in a way it is a form of financial warfare, but one that America started years ago and Russia and China have been trying to break for decades, which is why mainstream media are casting it in such a negative light, without actually saying why it will be a problem.

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  17. Secretly? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Russians secretly helped Venezuela by sitting in the front row at the launch ceremony. Good catch TIME

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  18. Re: How long? by bobbied · · Score: 1

    It was garbage at Clinton's time too.

    Agreed, so can we let this thing go?

    Not on your life will the media let something like this go. Not when there is PROFIT to be made. Who cares about the president, or his wife? Who cares about the country? No, the major media outlets have gone tabloid news on us for money...

    And by the way... Clinton was impeached for lying under oath in the Paula Jones civil suit... Not for the inappropriate relationship with Lewinsky. But the media didn't care all that much then and didn't drag their darling president though the various wallowing hog pits of his past diligences with multiple women, willing and unwilling who where making claims of abuse dating back to Arkansas.

    Clinton was obviously no choir boy and apparently his is an open marriage of political convenience, but I personally don't really care about any of it, as far as the media wants to be even handed about things.... Which is to say, I have to care about the hypocrisy here and will point it out when I see it. I don't care what the Clinton's or the Trump's do or don't do or even who they do it with, as long as we are fair about this..

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  19. no by bussdriver · · Score: 1

    Obama is a professional liar like every lawyer, it was not habitual nor was he gifted at lying.
    After being elected to office, any politician trying to be popular MUST lie and since they are paid and maintain their job hinging upon that skill; therefore, politicians are professional liars.

    National Security is the last resort excuse to justify anything and to the paranoid people with wild imaginations anything is honestly possible. Multiple cogent arguments can be made against Venezuela's threat... I disagree with most the premises upon which all of those are based but some people DO believe those. So to assume they lie when some batshit crazy decisions come out-- you underestimate the power of the dark side of the force.

    1. Re:no by bussdriver · · Score: 1

      Correction: Venezuela is no real threat, I messed up that sentence. Point was that there are different perspectives which can result in logical honest conclusions. The perspectives can involve lies or just be false and obviously dishonest people are involved in creating bubbles of alternative realities for others as a way to control them. This doesn't just happen at Fox News or at that scale. We do it on small scales with people we know-- facebook is loaded with people feeding distorted images of themselves to their peers - who belief it and make incorrect judgments based upon that. Ripple effects...etc.

  20. They're a socialist nation by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    that's why. They thumbed their noses at global oligarchy by giving a lot of their oil money to the people at large. Chavez also seized land that was being left fallow for no reason (and did it in spectacular fashion, the well to do were declaring the land was worthless to avoid property taxes. He went to them and demanded they sell them the land at the value they'd declared or pay the back property taxes and fines from lying to the tax man).

    Tl;DR: We're making an example out of them to support a political narrative.

    This is not to say they're a bunch of knights in shining armor. As usual it's more complex than that. Venezuela is rife with corruption. But an unusually high amount of money made it to their working class. But their biggest problem was the price of oil collapsed before they could build an economy that isn't dependent on it. That and a drought that rendered their hydo electric plant useless. That's another thing, folks forget that Venezuela is only about 20 million people. It's small enough that one hydoelectric plant going down is a major economic issue. Add to that international sanctions that kept them from re-financing debt and they're screwed.

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    1. Re:They're a socialist nation by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying they are angels, I'm only saying we should bud out of their business and stop harassing them with bans etc. There's dozens if not hundreds of other dictatorship nations that we don't give a hard time to. If they point weapons at us, that's another matter. Maybe they'll start if we agitate them enough.

  21. Re: Glad Putin by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    So what does that make the CIA....

  22. Re: How long? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

    The difference between assault and battery. Assault is the real threat of harm, battery is the actual physical act of harm. So sexual assault is the threat of sexual battery; sexual battery is when the criminal finishes up and says you should put some ice on that...

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  23. Re: How long? by Luckyo · · Score: 1

    As I said, if your position requires essentially everyone around you to be "knownothing trolls and tools", have you ever considered that it's not the world around you that is wrong, but you?

    Consider that it's very beneficial for you to be wrong in that scenario. Because if you are wrong, you can fix it. If the world is wrong, you're fucked. Because world owes you nothing. It was here first.