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Reddit Bans Subreddits Related To Selling Guns, Drugs, Sex, and More (bloomberg.com)

New submitter cornholed writes: Yesterday, Reddit updated their Content Policy forbidding transactions for certain goods and services. From the formal announcement on Reddit: "As of today, users may not use Reddit to solicit or facilitate any transaction or gift involving certain goods and services, including: firearms, ammunition, or explosives; drugs, including alcohol and tobacco, or any controlled substances (except advertisements placed in accordance with our advertising policy); paid services involving physical sexual contact; stolen goods; personal information; falsified official documents or currency." Bloomberg has an interesting write-up on how Reddit is wading into the gun control debate. See this post on Reddit for a full-list of all subreddits banned. "Reddit has been something of a Wild West for users building communities by curating and commenting on content in subreddits," reports Bloomberg. "Sometimes, as in the case with gun sales, marketplaces emerge in the course of conversations within specific communities. With Reddit's increased popularity -- the site is the sixth-most-visited in the world -- has come introspection and stricter content guidelines. The company recognizes its responsibility for having provided a platform for hate groups to flourish and, more recently, the possibility that Russian propaganda on the site may have played a role in influencing the 2016 presidential election."

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  1. time to bring back USENET? :) by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    USENET is/was a purely peer-to-peer system with no effective censorship. The downside to this, of course, was massive quantities of spam, which killed it. If someone could effectively solve the spam issue without censoring...

    1. Re:time to bring back USENET? :) by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It just needs a moderation protocol on top of it. Let people subscribe to what ever moderation service they want to read USENET with.

    2. Re:time to bring back USENET? :) by mysidia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What we need is Catered censors ---- In other words, censors who are Approved by the group they are censoring, For example:
        in a "Gun Sales forum" --- the censors would act according to the wishes of THAT community and not be subject to the OVERALL Public opinion or scrutiny by a Corporate overlord, And then: effective means in place of monitoring the usage and cancelling or revoking the censorship powers in the event that one of the approved censors becomes rogue and starts going against the desires of THAT PARTICULAR community.

      PROBABLY the idea would be to have a means of marking spam so it's hidden by default, But concerned citizens can turn on an advanced feature and see all the "Deleted" or "Censored" messages.

    3. Re:time to bring back USENET? :) by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't this essentially what reddit already has? Community moderators on a per-subreddit basis?

      Yes... Unfortunately reddit also has Site Admins who can exercise independent authority over any Post, Article, and can even destroy an entire Sub. And the unwanted censorship actions are coming from the Global Site Admins group, not the moderators.

    4. Re:time to bring back USENET? :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It also has (had? I don't know) a shitty CEO who modified users' posts.

    5. Re:time to bring back USENET? :) by BlueStrat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The complete antithesis to free speech would be if you were forced to spread messages you disagree with.

      Oh, you mean like a baker forced to bake a wedding cake with a pro-same-sex marriage message when it's against his (Christian) religion? (Muslims get a pass)

      Strat

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    6. Re:time to bring back USENET? :) by BlueStrat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was under the impression that the cake did not have "homosexuality is great" written on it in frosting. If it did, you might have a point. Otherwise you're grasping desperately at straws.

      No, that *was exactly* the point. The bakery and owner in question had served this lesbian couple on multiple occasions prior knowing they were a gay couple. They sold them goods each time with no problem at all. The message on the cake was the sticking-point that went too far. Even then, the baker offered recommendations for other bakeries that he felt were good shops that would have no problem with their message and provide good quality and value.

      That was not good enough and they filed the discrimination complaint. Why are Muslim-owned halal bakeries never challenged? It seems Christians are considered "safe targets" for attacks on their religion but not Muslims in the US. This tells me it's not about principle at all, it's about attacking other's beliefs with which you disagree, but only those others you are confident are too civilized to attack back. It's about bigotry and hatred and not about equal rights and protections.

      Strat

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  2. The last few days have been strangely coordinated. by asdfman2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A lot of these have dropped in the last few days.

    YouTube Bans Firearms Demo Videos
    Citi sets restrictions on gun sales by retail clients by adding arbitrary rules (can only sell to 21+ years-old, no standard capacity magazines, etc)

  3. An absolute crock by tannhaus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Guns are not illegal. The purchases on gundeals were all above board NFA licensed businesses that required NFA transfers that included background checks. So, there was no illegal activity going on there. What's next? They ban communities where people hookup because some people consider it immoral? So posting pictures of your genitalia is ok, but getting a good deal on a scope isn't?

  4. Re:The last few days have been strangely coordinat by sd4f · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's definitely trying to make the news cycle, and if there are any lessons to be learnt from gamergate, it's being orchestrated, and, I'm not surprised to see some of the same companies involved again.

    The rhyme of history is sounding again. When the printing press was invented in Europe, it didn't take long for establishments to see that sharing information was not always in their interests, books got banned, notably political ones. I think we're just in a similar phase as then; some companies are taking it on themselves to consolidate and control what gets shared.

  5. Non political my ass by Snotnose · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just like Google, err,, cough cough utube cough, you are clearly showing your political bias.

    Doesn't matter if you are for or against gun control, you can't deny utube and reddit are left wing.

    / don't own any guns
    // never bought a GF an abortion
    /// I must be a D

    1. Re:Non political my ass by edtice1559 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The reality is that our world is bifurcating. That's happening for a number of reasons. An obvious one is the "hollowing out" of the middle class. But there's certainly more to it than that. In the 1980s or so, when religion was still very influential various Christian groups discovered the power of the boycott and other non-religious economic activities to push a social agenda onto non-believers. I have no idea why they would do this. If you force an atheist to keep his business closed on Sunday morning does that help him get to heaven? Does it help you? I've actually read the Christian bible and didn't see support for this anywhere

      Christianity perfected these techniques but didn't invest anything in marketing in order to update it's business model and messaging for modern times and, as a result, lost much of it's influence. However those techniques are now being wielded by those with a progressive agenda many of whom were probably one-time church members.

      Companies see the writing on the wall and it very well may be the case that, at some point, stores have to have (D) and (R) after them just like our elected officials. This forces them to look forward and figure out which views the majority will hold and engage in virtue signaling in this area.

      This is a terrible outcome because it means that it will become much harder to challenge majority views. I think it's a shame, but it's unavoidable. The clocks aren't going to turn back so life is always going to be somewhat progressive. But we need strong conservative voices to ensure that policy doesn't get ahead of the data or ignore critical facts (like not being able to borrow infinite amounts of money.) Unfortunately, the only "conservative" voices we have in the US are always making impossible promises to turn back the clock rather than trying to argue for smoother transitions.

  6. Re: "Reddit has been something of a Wild West..." by zieroh · · Score: 1, Insightful

    "Reddit has been something of a Wild West for users building communities by curating and commenting on content in subreddits,"

    FALSE. They censor those who have right-wing viewpoints.

    Maybe if the right-wing viewpoints were expressed with less frothing-at-the-mouth fervor, the rest of us would take the viewpoints more seriously. As it is, most of the right-wing stuff has become so radical and offensive over the last few years that it shouldn't be surprising to anyone that those viewpoints are getting pushed out as fringe.

    In other words, if you want to have a meaningful conversation about any given topic, regardless of what side of the issue you're on, it would help if you didn't start with an obviously crazy and offensive standpoint (e.g. "lock her up" and other similar bullshit).

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  7. Loophole by manu0601 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As of today, users may not use Reddit to solicit or facilitate any transaction or gift involving certain goods and services, including: firearms, ammunition, or explosives; drugs, including alcohol and tobacco, or any controlled substances (except advertisements placed in accordance with our advertising policy); paid services involving physical sexual contact; stolen goods; personal information; falsified official documents or currency

    If I read correctly, one can still trade chemical weapons. Elephant's tusks seems fine. Human organs trafficking seems to be in a grey zone because of physical contact.

  8. Re:1956 redux ? by labnet · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Wild West internet is gradually coming under the thumb of the Pompous Puritans

    Except these 'Pomous Puritans' are now from the hard left instead of the religious right.

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  9. Re: "Reddit has been something of a Wild West..." by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 1, Insightful

    FALSE. They censor those who have right-wing viewpoints.

    Nonsense. I'm frequently attacked by the "right" on Reddit.

    No one censors them.

    ...now right-wingers do have to deal with Redditors responding to them by brandishing pesky 'facts' which they often interpret as "attacks" but the fact that they can rarely rebut the facts proves they're not "attacks."

  10. Re: "Reddit has been something of a Wild West..." by CohibaVancouver · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Alas, given that some people consider the Second Amendment to be "crazy and offensive", it's pretty much impossible to avoid the label.

    The "Crazy and Offensive" comes when supporters of the second amendment consider the deaths of children to be a reasonable price to pay for the right of crazies to buy assault weapons. In most people's world, there's no way that's not 'crazy and offensive.'

  11. Re:The last few days have been strangely coordinat by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think the problem is, the government is letting shootings slide. I mean, earlier this week was another one, much smaller but still, it happened.

    When there was a democrat in the house, he could say grand things, knowing that Congress would never approve it. But at least He Was Doing Something About It. He managed to work both sides quite well - make the big evil Republicans the reason he can't pass anything, and at the same time, gun owners were nervous, so every time they'd buy more guns, simulating the economy more.

    Now that the entire government is republican controlled, there is no more excuse. Trump can't say he can't do anything about it because Congress won't let him, and everyone knows he loves his executive orders and he's famous for his Get Things Done attitude.

    Problem is, he didn't. He made some noise about it, and let it peter it. Then it happened again. And people are at their breaking point. Businesses see that, they realize that it isn't business as usual and they need to Do Something to appeal to the silent majority who do want some form of dun control. (I believe the stats have it around 75% or more. It seems less, but the NRA has a whole pile of money they spend buying politicians and in fact, if one wavers in their support, all that money suddenly goes to their opponent.

    The political climate has shifted, and businesses are simply stepping into the vacuum, realizing that while the NRA business is nice, it's not actually necessary, and they get a nice PR boost from being seen as Doing Something.

    As long as mass shootings keep continuing to happen (and there's no indication it's going to stop), this is going to get worse. As long as the guy in the White House does everything else other than be seen doing something about the issue, companies are going to reconsider their support. The irony is, the NRA may have one the battle (Trump does nothing), but they might lose the war (popular opinion turns against gun owners, even being brandished as idiots of a barbaric age).

    As long as kids are dying in the streets, no amount of tariffs or trade wars matter.

  12. Re: The last few days have been strangely coordina by Reverend+Green · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Disarm the common people! Down with freedom and democracy! The Social Justice reich shall last a thousand years!

  13. Reddit by Reverend+Green · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Reddit - come for the bigoted elitists lecturing everyone about their moral superiority - stay for the censorship!

  14. FOSTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Before all the alt-right Nazis go blaming liberal companies blah blah blah - someone should mention the Republican Congress passage of FOSTA. The bill makes it so that website owners can be held liable for posts of their users. Right now it is supposed to specifically target sex trafficking but broad language in the bill and the likelihood of increasing liability is making a lot of companies panic.