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Poor Grades Tied To Class Times That Don't Match Our Biological Clocks (berkeley.edu)
An anonymous reader shares a report: It may be time to tailor students' class schedules to their natural biological rhythms, according to a new study from UC Berkeley and Northeastern Illinois University. Researchers tracked the personal daily online activity profiles of nearly 15,000 college students as they logged into campus servers. After sorting the students into "night owls," "daytime finches" and "morning larks" -- based on their activities on days they were not in class -- researchers compared their class times to their academic outcomes. Their findings, published today in the journal Scientific Reports, show that students whose circadian rhythms were out of sync with their class schedules -- say, night owls taking early morning courses -- received lower grades due to "social jet lag," a condition in which peak alertness times are at odds with work, school or other demands. "We found that the majority of students were being jet-lagged by their class times, which correlated very strongly with decreased academic performance," said study co-lead author Benjamin Smarr, a postdoctoral fellow who studies circadian rhythm disruptions in the lab of UC Berkeley psychology professor Lance Kriegsfeld.
Life isn't always about getting the schedule or job you want. Sometimes you have to suck it up and do what you need to do and stop whining about why you fail.
Our ancestors (most of them) worked all day from before the sun rose to after it set just to survive, farming, gathering, hunting, whatever it took. People today would not be able to cope with what they had to.
I thought that most (not all) college classes had options for scheduling. I know there are night school classes so is this about educating kids that they can change their schedule for the better or simply to provide another excuse for those who are under-performing?
Huh ... so maybe rounding kids up like cattle and packing them into big buildings and trying to educate them like cattle has other dangers then just making them big targets.
Or are these findings just applicable to college age?
While a bit groggy in my first period classes, I was always wide awake by my second class. While I do think it's ridiculous to have students to school by 7:45 a.m., I get that it can help mom and dad get to work on time, but extending the starting time an hour wouldn't put most out that much.
Conversely, I'd have to say crappy teachers make the most difference between students who get good grades and those who don't. It was my experience that when presented with teachers who were concerned with mediocre or poorly performing students, they achieved better results. However, most teachers I had in middle and high school were focused on the higher performing students and left the rest of us to our own devices -- even if we were willing to stay after school to put in the additional work. I even had a science teacher bitch to me that I was keeping her from her new husband because I'd asked for additional time after school.
I barely made it out of high school, and yes, some of that was my own fault for not striving harder to achieve more. Conversely, in college, I was an honor student; I attribute that to the quality of the teaching staff.
My point in writing this is there are more important measures to address than morning class times if we want to improve a student's scholastic success rate.
So we tailor their class times to their biological rhythms and they turn into adults with juvenile biological rhythms. Will they ever really grow up?
I knew this since I failed algebra in highschool because I was dyslexic at first period.. Didn't have options to reschedule it later in the day so that was the end of Math for me.
Well, my first reaction (as many others I'm sure) was that sometimes work doesn't align with your sleep cycle either so suck it up.
But then much of the method in school (especially now) doesn't align with the real world, and school isn't supposed to be analogous to a work environment. I always felt like I was more with it in my afternoon classes going through school, and that has continued on in my work life. Luckily I now have a job with flex hours where I can roll in at 10pm and work till 7pm, covering what seems to be my hard wired peak window of useful brain time.
That said, what can you do. There's plenty of people who are at their best in the morning, and school logistics are complicated enough I'm sure. Switching to online learning sounds great in theory, but I genuinely believe a big part of school is the social aspect. Looking back I probably would have loved to not have to physically go to school, but the social experience probably did shape me for the better.
People can't perform when they're asleep on the job? Now that's a new discovery, who would have guessed that lacking sleep and rest would make people perform worse?
Where do you apply for grants for such discoveries, I have plenty more that I'd really love to present. Next week: Water is wet and it's cold up North.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
At least someone finally thought of something to blame it on. I don't know what would happen to their self esteem if someone actually said someone wasn't doing well. It would crush them.
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-23044-8#Sec7
Looks like a shit study. Determining a student's circadian cycle from just analyzing the "learning management system login events for 14,894 Northeastern Illinois University (NEIU)" seems a stretch. And the study doesn't seem to differentiate between a student that has the bad habit of staying up too late for a reason like socializing, which would also be in indicator of poor academic performance (kid prefers to party rather than study) versus a student who is a "midnight owl" chronotype.
Perhaps the better students already prioritize their schedule to give themselves an advantage? I would even venture so far as to say this conclusion is obvious.
The Daddy casts sleep on the Baby. The Baby resists!
Our ancestors (most of them) worked all day from before the sun rose to after it set just to survive, farming, gathering, hunting, whatever it took.
And they had short(er) often brutal lives to show for it. They did that because they had no alternative. It wasn't a lifestyle choice.
People today would not be able to cope with what they had to.
Just because we don't have to doesn't mean we cannot if the need arises. Our ancestors would have happily traded their situation for the comfortable situation many of us enjoy today in a heartbeat. They didn't live that way because they had a choice.
I barely graduated high school. When I went to college at 18, I was put on academic suspension after 1 year.
I went back to college as a slightly older adult. Most of my classes were after work or late mornings instead of starting my day at 08:00. I'm sure most of the difference was in how I had grown and matured but not all of it. As a professional, working daily, I do my best work in the late morning through mid afternoon.
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Either are adjustable. If you move the classes, you can inconvenience 10's or 100's of people. If you move the rhythms, you inconvenience one person who has a week +/- to adapt. Or are you saying that nobody can functionally operate after taking a trip from North America to, say, Finland, Japan, ...
I thought that most (not all) college classes had options for scheduling.
To some degree but it's not infinitely flexible. Sometimes the classes you need to take are only offered at a time that isn't ideal for you.
It'd be interesting to see what affect going to bed at a decent time has on things too.
In college, everybody I knew who had a morning class that they really struggled in were also the bozos who were up until 3am every night, and so their poor academic performance was really due to them having to learn how to set boundaries without leaning on mom and dad so much.
Those who had already learned how to be responsible for themselves would simply go to bed early enough to be awake and ready for their class. Just like, you know, you have to do after college.
My only D in college was my EE101 class at 7:30AM Tuesday and Thursday... and I R a Professional Electrical Engineer. Boy was that a miserable class. I had a few other 7:30AM classes over the years, but most were puff classes that I could do in my sleep. I remember a CAD teacher calling me to wake me up for the final exam because I was a half-hour late but had a perfect score up to that point...
WTF does this have to do with the story? Did you fall asleep in English class and not learn the difference between "we've figured out one of the reasons why people are performing shittily" vs "I am whining because I performed shittily"? Perhaps you should stop whining about your inability to read, and instead, put in some effort to learn how to read. I know it sounds hard, but suck it up.
My biggest annoyance with schools are their insistence on operating at weird hours. Starting classes at the weird hour of 7:45am and running till 2:30.
Schools should start at 9 and end at 5pm. Sports can and should operate during the school day. Students should also have more than ample time to finish all of their work in school with the added amount of time. The same goes for studying.
I finish and leave all of my work at work when I'm done. Unless it's Sunday night prep for a big trip the next day homework hasn't existed for me for years.
This way, kids get more sleep and quality family time. Add this in with year round schooling (longer winter and spring break terms) and separate classes for boys and girls, and we'd see improvements across the board.
let me see.... I have a early class. it is proven I irresponsibly stay up late so I'm tired for class. My grades suffer.
Not sure where there was need to study that.
Excluded from the study would be any students who forced themselves to go to bed early enough to no be tired for morning class. So OBVIOSLY the problem must by our natural sleep rhythms.
correlation does NOT prove cause. In this case the study excluded all those people who would naturally be up late but decided to be discipline and go to sleep at a responsible time.
I'm a classic night owl, I stay up late and struggle to get enough sleep. A lot of my co-workers get into work at 8-8:30 while I show up 9-9:30.
During grad school when I had no courses and could go on my own schedule I didn't show up at 9-9:30, I showed up at 11-11:30, or even 1pm. It doesn't matter when the first course is, it was "early" for me.
I'm not a night owl because I'm somehow synced to my clock or even the sun, I'm a night owl because I feel really productive about 14 hours after I wake up, so it's really tough to get back to bed 2 hours later so I can get 8 hours sleep and wake up well rested.
Make my morning class 7am or 11am, as long as it's consistent I'm going to show up in roughly the same state. Put my easy class first on the other hand, now I'll have been up a few hours and alert when I get to the hard class.
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So, now that we're actually looking at the data, it's clear that the main conclusion of the paper is only one of many that could be drawn. The biggest alternative conclusion is that students who adapt their sleep schedule to their class times do better than students who don't. The main argument of the authors is that it "may be difficult" for people to change their sleep schedule, and cite jeg lag studies, without ever addressing that jet lag clearly does not last an academic term and within a few days most people are functioning normally. I think the jet lag studies more clearly show that people can and do change their sleep schedules, and that it may take a week or two to do so.
Who knew that matching a learning environment to the optimal learning environment for a subject would produce optimal results? /s
Most of us are jet-lagged twice a year by this silly ritual that has no beneficial effect. Can we ditch it already?
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Excuses, excuses, cry me a river. Suck it up fatty. I found it was pretty easy to pass most classes just by showing up. Which may be hard to do when your priorities are partying and weed.
If you're a government or a business, ask yourself which is more important: (a) being early at work, or (b) good performance at work. Because in all likelihood you can't have both.
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When was the last time you met anyone who went to bed when the sun went down, or woke up when it came up, or hat the middle of his sleep be vaguely in the vicinity of actual astronomical midnight?
For most of the planet, that does not even make sense, since the duration of the night and especially the time it gets dark or bright does change constantly and is too long or even too short anyway.
Since I had the freedom to do experiments with my sleep patterns. I noticed that my brain worked significantly better when I went to sleep so that I woke up when the sun came up. And when not possible, I simulated different day/night cycles with a powerful daylight lamp, a blue "sunrise" lamp, and what I call a "camp fire lamp" (rather dim, and very yellow and red), brightening and dimming gradually.
My mood also improved so much than I consider it a candidate for medical approval. (In Scandinavia, this all is already established science, from what I can tell.)
The hard part is, to keep it going like that while keeping my social life. It's difficult when you already have to calm down for bed when your friends just came home from work in the summer here In Germany, where the sun comes up at 4:00 AM.
And it would certainly be difficult to do business at natural species-appropriate hours, because other people sadly don't just jump to better ways upon hearing them, but cling to bad ways for literal millennia under the circular reasoning that "everyone else is doing it".
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Also... yeah, we work far too much, to keep our level of things and shit that we don't really need. And mostly because nearly all of the wealth that we generate does not flow into our pockets. If wealth would not be sucked up by a few leeches who don't give the appropriate amount of work in return (aka making "profit"), then nobody would be opposed to automation. We could just let the machines do the boring and shitty things, and focus on the more challenging and fun things. The concept of being "jobless" would not even exist, since there would not be a need for a job, just to keep the base wealth up, as the automation would already generate more than enough of that today, even with maintenance still required. I mean there's light-out factories now.
The biggest hindrance in realizing that utopia, are the natural resources industries (like mining and fossil fuels, etc but also food production) being in the hands of exactly those leeches.
I'm not advocating communism or even socialism, because those concepts are plain delusional and incompatible with human nature (just like a working libertarian free market or representative or direct democracy, btw, but I digress)... I'm actually aiming at an utopia that merges the logical final conclusion ideals of all of those ideologies into a single thing without any compromises. Because some time ago, I realized that they are actually all the same thing, would work best together, and are not conflicting at all. (But this comment is already long enough. I should create a proper article on a blog for this or something.)
Most cases of poor sleep habits in teens are the fault of their parents. I've been there. The modern "oh, children need to buy into their limitations, let's negotiate everything" is amazingly easily overwhelmed by simply giving orders, taking the phones away, turning off the wifi, and *putting them to bed*. It's even easier if they have honest to god chores, or even sports activities, to physically tire them out.
But oh, no, "let's go to thereapy". "We need Ritalin". "We need Adderall". "We need *understanding*."
Oooh look, another study by some idiot who didn't major in an actual science, and full of cases of confusing correlation and causation. What a shocker. What idiot thinks if you move college classes to time when the partyers are partying, they're going to stop partying and go to class instead?
Here's a gem from the article:
In addition to learning deficits, social jet lag has been tied to obesity and excessive alcohol and tobacco use.
You're telling me that people who are irresponsible enough to stay out late partying when they have class in the morning are also irresponsible with their diet and alcohol consumption? That's amazing information. Who could have guessed that idiots are idiots all the time? I wonder how much money somebody wasted so this social "scientist" could figure that out.
The results suggest that “rather than admonish late students to go to bed earlier, in conflict with their biological rhythms, we should work to individualize education so that learning and classes are structured to take advantage of knowing what time of day a given student will be most capable of learning,”
Well of course a whiny liberal is here to tell us that we should change society around to accommodate people who are unwilling to adjust their sleep schedule. Who knew human beings were so incapable that they can't even control what or when they eat, or when they go to sleep.
Funny how the same liberals will tell you that society can successfully "program" a person to behave according to traditional male or female gender roles contrary to their nature, but those same humans can't go to sleep at a different time though. Fuckin' idiots. No wonder they're so afraid of people owning guns, they can't imagine people with some self-control and intelligence. People like them with guns IS scary.
So we tailor their class times to their biological rhythms and they turn into adults with juvenile biological rhythms. Will they ever really grow up?
It doesn't matter. What matters is whether it is more effective to provide more off-shift jobs. We have TRILLIONS of dollars in capital that go unused at night, when people go home. If 10% of labor is also more effective at later hours, that's worth exploring.
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Like gender, teh circadian cycle is purely a social construct.
kids have different biorhythms than adults. So yes, they will grow up. Biology and the passage of time will take care of that. You don't "learn" to change your biorhythms. They change over time whether you like it or not. Short of chemical intervention which is probably not a good idea.
tl;dr. Let the kids sleep in like their bodies are telling them to and they'll be more production and learn better, leading to better adults when it's time for them to be adults.
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they exist to get them ready for factory work. That's why they have bells. I suppose we could change the purpose of schools, but who's gonna pay for it? At my kid's school the reason for the early start was because they mixed junior high kids in with highschool kids and needed to keep 'em separated because they didn't have enough monitors to stop the fighting.
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In academia will do a study on the relevance of today's ancient and outmoded method of education. One where you show up for a class on a teachers schedule, and sit there and "learn" as the teacher dispenses wisdom and learning from the front of the room.
;)
In a way, today's degrees only prepare one to be an employee for someone else.
The Internet has changed things, but not education. Back in the day I used to buy books all the time, now I can not recall the last book I bought. When I want to learn something, I just fire up a browser and go and research the information I am interested in.
I wonder if the real future of education, is in free lance teachers, putting together tutorial sessions and making them available on the internet. Didn't see something a while back about a university putting their courses online. (MIT maybe? just looked and it seems so).
To me that kind of format allows those who are interested, to learn when they want to, what they want and need to.
Just my 2 cents
Your argument seems to be: Yeah, healthy non-harmful rules for our society are incompatible with our clearly degenerated and sub-optimal-to-everyone for-profit-over-your-sucked-dry-husk-of-a-life business ways of life... so suck it up and let's keep doing those idiotic old ways.
How about... no?
You're enabling something that serves absolutely no one, and harms pretty much everyone, for absolutely no reason but deluded obsessions of power and greed that aren't even fulfilled optimally with those ways either!
Which means you are either so deluded or so evil or so stupid that you are literally an enemy of all human being. Ever yourself.
I'm going to assume the usual: All of the above. Since, probably like with the different types of physical forces, they all merge into the same thing above a certain threshold anyway. (Evilness/harmfulness is stupid, and stupidity is evil/harmful, and delusions/ignorance usually cause stupid and harmful behavior.)
My GF keeps telling me her biological clock is just ticking away and she says this while stomping her foot on the floor as a way to illustrate the tick-tock-tick-tock of time passing
My senior year I had a required 0.5 credit lab class that required about 20 hrs/week of effort, keeping me in the lab until 1a.m. every night.
Some of my required 400-level classes were *only* offered at 8 a.m. I felt really bad for my teacher--he was one of my favorites, but I was always falling asleep on him.
This was at a school where previously ABET came in and told them that my program required too many credits--it was too long. They either had to cut credits till it was a 4-year program or call it what it was--a 5-year program. So the school simply edited the credits given for courses in the catalog without changing the actual courses or workload. 5-credit classes got slashed to 4, some 4s to 3. So when you enrolled for a 17-credit semester you were sometimes actually taking the workload equivalent of 20+ credits unbeknownst.
Schools don't care about helping students get better grades--only collecting that tuition check each semester.
Night owls don't stay up late and wake up late because they like to party and are lazy to wake up in the morning. Researchers have found that not everyone's biological clock runs at exactly 24 hours. Those whose clock runs slower (say 25 hours) are night owls - they tend to still be alert after the earth's rotation says they should've gone to sleep, and likewise tend to wake up later because their biological clock put them to sleep later. Those whose clock runs faster (say 23 hours) are morning larks - they tend to wake up earlier because their biological clock put them to sleep more quickly, and likewise they tend to fall asleep earlier in the night.
BTW, studies have shown people's average biological clock (when deprived of reference to day/night cycles) is 24.2 hours to 25 hours. So it's actually the night owls who are normal, and the morning larks who are abnormal.
It took a comprehensive study for these geniuses to figure out that going to class tired results in lower performance? Your tax dollars at work.
Abolish the public university system.
So, why the hell don't we give the little snowflakes all 4.0 GPA, and just let them declare themselves as whatever they identify as.
Given that grades aren't earned any more, why on esrth are we studying ways for people to learn things - that is not what it is about now. You go to college, attempt to destroy your liver and enjoy the college lifestyle, and get all A's.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Newsflash: Kids who spend their weekends staying up till 4AM partying or binging on Netflix or gaming do a pretty shitty job on their Monday morning schoolwork.
What I dislike about these sorts of studies is the implication that we have no control over our internal clocks. Parents, if you care, enforce a reasonable bedtime and/or curfew for your kids. Teenagers, if you care, learn to wake up on time, which means going to bed earlier.
People act like it's rocket science, but people have pretty much always understood this basic principle... Ben Franklin and Aristotle both talked about it, for starters. If you have stuff to do early in the morning, get some sleep. If you can't do that, then you are prioritizing your late night funtimes over your early morning responsibilities.
If you make that choice, it's on you. Own it and the consequences that come from it.
So if some students have lifestyles that aren't in sync with their study schedules, they should ask themselves whether their social lives are more important - or whether they went to university to study?
This issue seems to be bordering on blaming the colleges for the timetabling, rather than recognising that the students' convenience is subordinate to the academic goals.
politicians are like babies' nappies: they should both be changed regularly and for the same reasons
How much would it cost to accommodate all that, how much more would be earned?
It's been known for quite some time, it's good finally we have a scientific research providing evidence for one of the factors that make present day schooling (developed in the XIX century) a waste of creativity and personal development: https://www.ted.com/talks/ken_... Ken Robinson: Do schools kill creativity? TED2006
that whole "Nastry, Brutish and Short" part of life until recently. Most women died in childbirth (fun fact, there are stories of Voltaire's mistress "putting her papers in order" because she got preggers at 40 and it was basically a death sentence. Spoiler, she died). Then there's the elements. And water. And avoiding famine.
When folks talk about what they don't need they mean cell phones, tvs and internet. Those things cost very, very little. Housing, food, basic transportation, education. These are the things that eat the bulk of our income. Unless you're willing to go back to that nasty/brutish/short life there's no easy answer here.
This is not to say we have to work nearly as hard as we do. We already produce enough food to feed every one, and in 10-20 years the world ain't gonna need ditch diggers what with automation. But we _do_ need to come up with a better system for distributing wealth in a world where people don't need full time jobs (and where the's not enough of them to go around anyway). Or we could just let 80% of the population regress to abject poverty and use military drones to keep 'em in check. That works too.
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I've had N24 for the last thirty years, so I can officially blow this smoke back into your face.
Juvenile:
* A prepubescent child.
* A person younger than the age of majority.
* A person younger than the age of criminal responsibility.
* An animal that is not sexually mature.
* A mindless insult that all-too-often passes itself off as intelligent discourse.
Last I checked, college students fuck like rabbits, so we'll dispatch item #1 with extreme prejudice.
Age of majority
What is the normal age for college freshmen in the U. S.?
So, by sophomore year, juveniles (as defined by a minority criteria) are already a distinct minority.
So what we have here is a juvenile-onset biological rhythm shift which persist well into young adulthood.
Young adulthood having recently become the age during which a majority of the population struggles to acquire a remunerative skillset among the top-three quartiles of career prospects and life outcomes.
Fewer U.S. Graduates Opt for College After High School — April 2014
(The large chunk of the college admission population enrolled in the humanities starts the race a full quartile back, many drop-outs return to the fray later, and some high school dropouts have intrinsic skills, so even the dismal quartile from 25–50th percentile is by no means guaranteed merely by showing up.)
A really good example of the indirect path was in the news cycle this week:
Ignatieff was a catastrophic political leader, but the rest of his bio reads like a Who's Who entry (recent Order of Canada, and back to full professorship at Harvard).
Speaking of physicians, that's surely one profession that's never strayed into sparing the whip.
* How Much Do 30-Hour Shifts Suck for Medical Residents? — 8 March 2017
* No Doctor Should Work 30 Straight Hours Without Sleep — 15 December 2016
* Marathon 24- to 26-hour doctor shifts may be unsafe for patients: experts — 19 February 2016
* A Dangerous Study of Medical Resident
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Another case: German steel mills will soon shut down forever, while China and Tata of India expand steel output every day.
Now Trumps wants to protect the last remaining US steel mills.
But guess what ? All the corrupt mainstream media shills cry wolf about Trump. How dares he to think about US workers - all he needs to care is the banksters and corporate executives who will make a fat bonus while shipping the company knowledge to China and India !
That is the plan of the banksters: Make a quick buck while shipping jobs to China and put the plebejans on some sort of socialist wage because hey, we all know it is all smoke and mirrors. No real work needed !
who are obsessed with cell phones and apps. I fear for the future of this country when these lazy, entitled children reach voting age.
Circle the wagons and fire inward. Entropy increases without bounds.
Patronising wanker much?
Please tell me that the researchers were LSD etc addicted squirrels. Either that or it is one more sign that mankind is doomed.
I love how nearly all millennial 'studies' are dedigned to enable their laziness and get them out of things. A great many kids, including me when I was one, go to school from 8-3 and have 4.0 averages or better. The 'biological clock' isn't static, we adapt and are endlessy adaptable and resilient. Well, everyone except for Berkeley snowflakes.
There's so much bad advice and incorrect beliefs in these comments it's sickening.
Your body runs in cycles. There's a time for it to produce X and a time to repair Y. Every cell in your body basically has an internal clock. Other parts of your body work to keep all those clocks in sync. Some people can easily adjust their overall clock. Some can't even if you put a gun to their head. The overall clock dictates when you feel sleepy. That sleepiness is the result of the sync signal being send out to all your cells. Working out can make you feel exhausted and low on energy, but that is not the same as sleepy. You can be feel sleepy while being full of energy too.
Most people can train themselves to go to sleep at any time, but that's meaningless. For people with inflexible clocks, your brain won't effectively transition into all the activities it schedules to do during the sleep part of its cycle. You're basically just unconscious, not actually getting good rest. So while you can go to bed earlier than your body wants to, you feel like shit when you wake up because you're waking up in the middle of when your clock thinks it should be sleep time no matter the time you actually lost consciousness. For people with flexible clocks, you do that a few times and your clocks normalizes with your actual sleep/wake times. For people with inflexible clocks, it never normalizes. These people can power through the sleepiness, but it takes far more effort than the flexible people realize and you have the loss of efficiency due to lack of body rest even if you were asleep long enough. For people who have yet to train themselves to sleep at any time, if they try to go to bed early they end up lying in bed for hours and hours even if they worked to physical exhaustion during the day. Muscle exhaustion doesn't control your internal clock. Studies have proven your good sleep after a good workout is completely a placebo effect.
The people with inflexible clocks would greatly benefit from hours scheduled around when their body thinks they should be awake. For people with flexible clocks, they can adjust to the inflexible people's schedules. Instead just like society dictates blue is for boys and pink is for girls (go back further in history and you'll find it used to be the opposite. It's purely a social construct), current society dictates mornings are when all the great things happens. So the flexible people adjust to mornings and the inflexible people are ridiculed as weak and lazy. If people used their brains more than their fear against breaking social norms, then we'd reschedule actives to better fit the majority of inflexible people (which means less morning activities). That way a larger percentage of the population would be able to work at their bests and society overall would be more effective. But large groups of people don't have brains and are too frightened of change, so we can't do that. It's feels better to ridicule other people because it makes us feel superior even if our collective accomplishments decline.
For everyone who claims they're morning a person but require something like coffee to get going, fuck you for lying and forcing hardships on everyone who doesn't want to drug themselves awake. While you have your head in your ass, open your eyes so you can finally see yourself for how you are. If you can't lay down in bed and fall asleep within a few minutes and then simply get up feeling normal and directly start doing activities when your body wakes you up without an alarm then you have room for improvement. You can improve if you take the time to gain the education to do so.
Someone please check the Biological Clock of Indian and Chinese.
Their Biological Clocks might be dysfunctional !
While students of other races, specifically those with African and/or Latin bloodline, have their performance greatly hindered by their Biological Clocks, those Indians and Chinese keep on performing, as if without any hindrance.
Please help the Indians and Chinese, please run some thorough check on their Biological Clocks.
People are different. I sleep 10-6 weeknights. I get excercise and I eat right. When I get to work my coworker has been there an hour and machine guns me with ideas on the research we have been doing. From my perspective he seems manic and I can't follow. Around 10:30 he starts to make sense. Around noon I start to contribute. By 5 he says I start seeming manic and he can't follow. Then I go home at 6 and waste an hour or two of good thinking time.
refactor the law, its bloated, confusing and unmaintainable.
And you're competing globally against people who are, your job gets outsourced.
Congratulations on discovering why the global village only works well if it's tuned.
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Delayed sleep phase disorder (DSPD) is a neurological sindrome that usually presents in puberty and can, over time, change, however a small percentage of people have this begin at birth and see little to no change in their lifetime.
The latter is problematic if the law states you must atend school in a certain schedule, and child services threaten to take said child to court because of missed attendance, that it's perfectly fine that a child sleep less than an hour a night for years and when that causes side effects like irritability, anger, depression, suicidal tendencies because said child wants to be left alone to sleep is mind boggling to me.
this neurological problem isn't curable at all, has several side effects: low immune system responce, low vitamin D, tendency towards low blood pressure, etc
DSPD and other circadian rhythm disorders can be horrible, and those that are severe (do not respond to melatonin or uv terapy) are not cured by sedatives or stimulants or being told to grow up. those aflicted need a neurologist and the knowlege that they must work around their disorder, as many do already.
Maybe a misture of e-learning with shift classes. Universities sometimes have 2 shifts of a class given by a different teachers so the early morning statistics class by a lecture driven teacher and a mid morn or afternoon class by a book and paper driven teacher instead. this would also make the classes smaller and easier to pin point who is struggling.
offering summer classes of common subjects available and viable towards their major or school year credit. those that have honest issues with schedules would most likely accept mid morning or afternoon classes of the ones they had problems with in the standard morning schooling
so they can pass the class instead of failling completly, this would also help with the teacher employment rates or those that dont have anything to do in summer by giving electives in the early morn or late afternoon.
learning can take many forms and if you have the desire to learn, you will find a way, it's just that having "normal" standardized learning gives you a diploma and learning on your own does not, one has real life aplications the other does not.
those that are damaging their heath at the request of school administrators or teachers because of a night owl issue ,before you atempt shrinks ,please see a neurologist with experience in circadian rhythmn disorders. sleep deprivation is not good and can fundamentaly change who you are for the worse. children should not be asked to not sleep or to wake after an hour of sleep continually for 5 days a week for years.
* school schedule 8:15 am to 5:45 pm.*
(awake until 6am> sleep til 8am > wake for school > awake till 6am > sleep til 8 > wake for school > awake till 6 > Repeat for 5 days a week {sleep for 18 to 22h straight on weekends} continue for years > start again) (disclaimer: there is no partying or red bull or coffee, just staring at walls or counting in the dark for hours)