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One Laptop Per Child's $100 Laptop Was Going To Change the World -- Then it All Went Wrong (theverge.com)

Adi Robertson, reporting for The Verge: In late 2005, tech visionary and MIT Media Lab founder Nicholas Negroponte pulled the cloth cover off a small green computer with a bright yellow crank. The device was the first working prototype for Negroponte's new nonprofit One Laptop Per Child (OLPC), dubbed "the green machine" or simply "the $100 laptop." And it was like nothing that Negroponte's audience -- at either his panel at a UN-sponsored tech summit in Tunis, or around the globe -- had ever seen. After UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan offered a glowing introduction, Negroponte explained exactly why. The $100 laptop would have all the features of an ordinary computer but require so little electricity that a child could power it with a hand crank.

[...] But OLPC's overwhelming focus on high-tech hardware worried some skeptics, including participants in the Tunis summit. One attendee said she'd rather have "clean water and real schools" than laptops, and another saw OLPC as an American marketing ploy. "Under the guise of non-profitability, hundreds of millions of these laptops will be flogged off to our governments," he complained. In the tech world, people were skeptical of the laptop's design, too. Intel chairman Craig Barrett scathingly dubbed OLPC's toy-like prototype "the $100 gadget," and Bill Gates hated the screen in particular. "Geez, get a decent computer where you can actually read the text," he told reporters.

[...] After announcing "the $100 Laptop," OLPC had one job to do: make a laptop that cost $100. As the team developed the XO-1, they slowly realized that this wasn't going to happen. According to Bender, OLPC pushed the laptop's cost to a low of $130, but only by cutting so many corners that the laptop barely worked. Its price rose to around $180, and even then, the design had major tradeoffs. [...]

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  1. With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by MikeDataLink · · Score: 1

    I mean why not just get an android tablet with keyboard case and call it a day. There are numerous sub $100 android tablets.

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    1. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by JackieBrown · · Score: 4, Informative

      This was in 2005 when it kicked off. Android tablets weren't a viable option back then

    2. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      The sub-$100 android tablets aren't ruggedized. That seems to be important. I also imagine a different linux distro would be better if you wanted to convert a tablet to a cheap laptop.

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    3. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Beat me to it.

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    4. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

      And the crank?

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    5. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      "Someone else's cheaper device" in 2006 would not have been Android, which of course did not exist. It probably would have been a cheap feature phone or Palm knockoff. Shortly after it was announced, there was a new category of cheap laptop referred to as a "netbook" - and they were very hot for a while... but even those never really broke the $100 price point.

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    6. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by grumbel · · Score: 1

      Tablets flat out didn't exist back when the OLPC launched (outside of some business PCs that cost like $2000). The iPad came three years later. Netbooks didn't yet exist either, the OLPC hype pretty much created that branch of the market.

    7. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      Shortly after it was announced, there was a new category of cheap laptop referred to as a "netbook" - and they were very hot for a while.

      Netbooks were around MANY years before the OLPC; they were lighter and cheaper than laptops, and cost about $600 instead of the full price of a Laptop ---- but there were frequent compromises like running Windows CE, for example, instead of a full-blown OS.

      They are still "Hot", or rather, their natural successor is still a little hot..... Today they are divided between Ultrabooks or Macbook Airs; all the lightweightness and compactness of a Netbook without being limited to a Toy OS, AND Tablets such as the iPad and Android; which have the Toy OSes that are remarkably a lot more functional than something like Windows CE was.

    8. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by magarity · · Score: 1

      I found a crank phone charger on Amazon for $16.

      Great, now you're all set for the end of civilization.

    9. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by bugs2squash · · Score: 5, Funny

      I am the crank attached to my laptop.

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    10. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by fermion · · Score: 1
      The PC Manufacturers we all know already make a school laptop that costs under $200-300. For any large school system, the issue with the machines is ongoing costs, not the costs of the machine. Tablets have an advantage in terms of durability, the sub $300 machines are fragile, but in most cases the management tools are not there,

      Everyone always questions why prioritize computers, mostly because educators are scared of computers, but unless one is in. country where water and electricity truly is scarce, it is important that students have access to the tools they are going to use. I was in a developing country a while back, small town. Building has not air conditioning, the doors was left open all day, but everyone had a computer and a copy machine was in the back. These things are not scare. They are everywhere.

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    11. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Android tablets weren't a viable option back then.

      It's hard to be a viable option when it doesn't even exist.

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      Initial release date: September 23, 2008

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    12. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by jcr · · Score: 4, Funny

      Leave RMS out of this.

      -jcr

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    13. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      Netbooks were around MANY years before the OLPC

      Well then they weren't called "netbooks":
      Google Trends "One Laptop Per Child" vs "Netbook"

      and cost about $600 instead of the full price of a Laptop

      That is more than 3x the cost of the eventual OLPC. That's 3x fewer kids with laptops.

      divided between Ultrabooks or Macbook Airs;

      The higher-end ones you were referring to, yes. But the sub-$300 things people were calling "netbooks" are probably closest to Chromebooks today. An Air is pretty darned high-end. Netbooks mostly ran on an Atom and were pretty disappointing even by the standards of the day.

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    14. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by plopez · · Score: 2

      *carrier not found*

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    15. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by Bobrick · · Score: 1

      Uh? Back when netbooks were still a thing, you could get a decent one between 100 and 200$ tops with Win 7 on it, and not necessarily the Starter version mind you. This in canadian dollars, so you could definately get a netbook for around 100$ US. Your 600$ was for laptops.

    16. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by luther349 · · Score: 1

      hell even windows tablets have fallen to that price point, they use like no power so a small solar panel could charge them forever.

    17. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by AlwinBarni · · Score: 4, Informative

      This was in 2005 when it kicked off. Android tablets weren't a viable option back then

      They still aren't. The OLPC is unique and not meant primarily for "western" countries:
      - it can run on very little power
      - can create mesh network with other OLPCs
      - can be used in direct sunlight (special display)
      - it can be powered with a hand generator
      - it is actually very inexpensive (the online price includes second laptop for a child in developing countries)
      - it's OS is designed for learning, sources in python are available easily for any OS component (Linux with Sugar as far as I remember)

      I keep seeing major misconception about the OLPC as just another cheap notebook - it is much more then that.

      I hope good times will come for the OLPC project.

    18. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by ThomasBHardy · · Score: 1

      /golfclap

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    19. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      Tablet certainly did exist since the early 90s. Look into IBM's ThinkPad 700T, AT&T's EO, and Apple's Newton.

    20. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      OLPC inspired the wave of netbooks, which inspired the wave of tablets and smartphones. The OLPC itself didn't succeed very well but it made a major contribution to the computer industry, by catalyzing projects for smaller computers and demand for them. The smartphones and wireless Internet now widely available in developing countries are an indirect descendant of OLPC.

    21. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      I found a crank phone charger on Amazon for $16.

      Great, now you're all set for the end of civilization.

      *carrier not found*

      So... you have T-Mobile. :-)

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    22. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      In 2005 Around $500 was the starting price for a low end Computer. A starting Laptop would be closer to around $700. (Sans service deals like you have to buy 3 years of MSM internet)
      These were crappy system.
      A $100 system with an LCD Screen is nearly impossible.
      Palm Pilots cost more then $100 and they wouldn't be considered worthy of being called a computer due to its limitation.

      Today we can get such options, because of Moors Law, and our actual personal computing usage didn't catch up to it. So we can have a sub $100 tablet that is good enough to browse the web, and write papers.

      But back in 2005 you needed some CPU Power to render web pages, and word processing had some features such as fonts and spell check which were nearly required.

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    23. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      OLPC has a mesh network which makes it quite unique - which, afaik, is not available in any tablet.

    24. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by Wraithlyn · · Score: 1

      That's probably why his subject line is "With Tablets is this even relevant anymore?" instead of "Why didn't they use Android tablets back in 2005?"

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    25. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      Palm Pilots cost more then $100 and they wouldn't be considered worthy of being called a computer due to its limitation.

      Huh? I had a lot of Palm Pilots and they were quite capable machines, especially for the price. It was a computer. You could program it. One of them had wireless built in. I had two different camera attachments, so it could even take pictures.

      But back in 2005 you needed some CPU Power to render web pages,

      Have you looked at what it takes to render modern pages? It takes a lot more CPU today that it did in 2005. The CPUs are faster so it doesn't look like it takes more power, but it sure does.

      The failure of OLPC was their BOGO that never could deliver. Vaporware. The delivery of "my" OLPC kept getting pushed back AFTER they had pulled the money from my credit card, but they were crowing about how well production was going. It got to the point where the time limit for contesting the charge was about to run out and I cancelled. That's three months for my credit card, so yeah, they promised delivery over and over for almost three months and could never quite pull it off. But they kept telling me all about all the other people who were getting theirs as if that should make me happy.

    26. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by slew · · Score: 1

      Palm Pilots cost more then $100 and they wouldn't be considered worthy of being called a computer due to its limitation.

      Huh? I had a lot of Palm Pilots and they were quite capable machines, especially for the price. It was a computer. You could program it. One of them had wireless built in. I had two different camera attachments, so it could even take pictures.

      But back in 2005 you needed some CPU Power to render web pages,

      Have you looked at what it takes to render modern pages? It takes a lot more CPU today that it did in 2005. The CPUs are faster so it doesn't look like it takes more power, but it sure does.

      The failure of OLPC was their BOGO that never could deliver. Vaporware. The delivery of "my" OLPC kept getting pushed back AFTER they had pulled the money from my credit card, but they were crowing about how well production was going. It got to the point where the time limit for contesting the charge was about to run out and I cancelled. That's three months for my credit card, so yeah, they promised delivery over and over for almost three months and could never quite pull it off. But they kept telling me all about all the other people who were getting theirs as if that should make me happy.

      In 2018, OLPC2018 could be a kickstarter, or other crowdfunding project... Probably with the same result. They were ahead of their time in many ways...

      But in reality, OLPC was mostly a scheme to extract money from well heeled charitable foundations and deposit the money in the hands of some well-connected local electronics assembly companies.

      This kind of scheme has been going on as long as charitable foundations have existed... Remember, your donation to a charity generally isn't really directly going to the beneficiaries, it's going to pay the well-connected suppliers. In the end, the suppliers probably benefit the most because there is little competition and there generally are fewer issues (e.g., recalls, returns, etc) with any cost cutting maneuvers they take, vs if they had to actually produce something for typical "paying" customers...

    27. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by taustin · · Score: 1

      To a certain degree, OLPC is why we have sub-$100 Android tablets these days. They inspired the whole idea of cheap mobile devices, back when laptops still cost a grand for something with less computing power than the average wrist watch has today.

    28. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And in 2018 they still aren't a viable option. Like so called "smart" phones, tablets (and even "convertable tablets") are tech toys, not a computing device to get any real work done on! Laptop and desktop computers cannot be replaced by anything else yet, and probably never will. My two off-lease Lenovo laptops each cost less than $180. Of course they cannot run off of a hand crank...Maybe a solar charged battery though...And I am sure that they will outperform any OLPC, tablet or "smart"phone!

    29. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      It's a retrospective. That whole "Learning from history" thing so maybe we don't do it again. As a reminder 2005 was 13 years ago. It's also a bit of a hit-piece, as while the OLPC didn't wholly deliver a world-up-heaving revolution... they did ship a lot of laptops to a bunch of poor kids.

    30. Re: With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      The Walmart $300, $500, $800 price point system has been around for a long time. I'm sure it existed when I was employed with them back in 2006. Of course no savvy tech would even consider what the $300 price point offered. 1 hour battery, previous gen processor, smallest still manufactured hard drive, insufficient RAM, 13"-14" cheap LCD. Back then it was most likely a bottom of the barrel Acer. Though, Vista may have created that $300 price point by causing manufacturers to dump low end hardware with Vista Starter Edition at or below manufacturing costs.

    31. Re: With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

      So many here are claiming the OLPC created the market, but it existed before the OLPC, and it still barely made ground after the ASUS Eee line. It was the iPad and iPod Touch which truly sparked the sub-$300 computing market, by breaking it free of the Microsoft Windows operating system.

    32. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      You do realize that the original plan was to provide cheap stuff?

      A $16 item like that is disposable to you but when it breaks, the indigent are going to have to spend another $16 bucks.

      Since you didn't RTFA, you don't know how much it costs to even get the goddam thing shipped to destination.

      You're just adding another fail layer to why the fucking idea failed.

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    33. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      I mean why not just get an android tablet with keyboard case and call it a day. There are numerous sub $100 android tablets.

      The problem isn't the cost or getting working laptops/tablets to people in developing countries, it's what benefits they're supposed to bring to those people at that price. $100 per child can buy a lot of books and help train a lot of teachers which is far more likely to result in higher literacy, numeracy, and general learning. Almost all of the edutech initiatives, pilot projects, etc. for developing countries have achieve mediocre results at best and very poor return on investment.

      The best hope for poorer countries to provide better education is Creative Commons licensed open educational resources (OER = similar in concept to free and open source software). The cost of textbooks and learning and teaching materials is one of the main barriers. OER drastically reduce the cost of providing the resources that students and teachers need.

      But then OER doesn't bring huge government grants and subsidies to giant tech companies.

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    34. Re: With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They still aren't. The OLPC is unique and not meant primarily for "western" countries:

      Um, dude, all the stuff you list ended up being a scam. Nothing worked or was viable or hit the price point.

      Hence this story.

    35. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      I haven't had to use my crank radio and cell phone charger for a disaster (knock on wood), but in tests, I gather it would be a pain in the ass.

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    36. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you should look into what "option" means.

      Alternatively, you could write the list of operating system options for the year 2058 in your reply below. Be sure to include future operating systems that don't exist yet. We'll wait.

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    37. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I (partially) take it back - actually they were fine with Linux, but when a full version of Windows was crammed on them the OS used all the resources and they were pigs. The Linux netbooks had a very short life, only shipping until MS caught on and started selling a cheap version of Windows.

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    38. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Could you program a Palm Pilot, really? Buy one, power it up, and program it?

      As much as for most COTS desktops you buy today.

      For example, I can't program my Android phone. I can do web development (writing Javascript in Jota), but that's not the same -- it doesn't result in an Android app.

      "Program" doesn't always mean you wind up with an app. Sometimes it means there are interpreters, like Python or Octave. Sometimes it means apps development like AIDE or Java N-IDE (look in the play store).

      The phone doesn't have Python preinstalled, or a Java IDE.

      My desktop Windows machine didn't have those, either. So you install them and then they are there. I don't bother doing it on my phone, but my android tablets have python, Octave, and usually Forth.

      It purported to come with a text library AND a programming environment

      That's software. It can be on any computer. That doesn't make the OLPC special. It only means that someone knew about free software. If you knew two words -- gutenberg and walnut creek (ok, three words, two things) -- you could do it too.

      it's faster than my old Silicon Graphics machine from 1995, and that was plenty fast.

      Isn't it amazing what a 180 MHz RISC processor with dedicated video hardware could do? I still have 02s in operation. The MIPS C compiler was da bom at optimized code.

    39. Re:With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      They weren't an option period. Android wasn't released until 2007 the first device the HTC Dream 2008. It's easy to look back upon history and do a facepalm. But OLPC was a pioneer in many ways for this space at the time. Such hardware just did not readily exists, especially in a ruggedized package meant to run in the harsh environment of the back-of-beyond. It absolutely did not exists at that price point. PCs, portables or otherwise by and large were an order of magnitude more. That last point alone was one of the greatest drivers for the project. It was an attempt to level the playing field by pulling up the next generation in these disadvantaged nations.

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    40. Re: With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I would hardly credit Apple for that, given that they are pretty much non-existent in the sub-$300 market. I would have to give the credit to Google with Android and Chromebooks. Though really, it's just that hardware got cheap enough and still good enough that a computer that cheap is actually viable. Which means, of course, that Microsoft is very active in the sub-$300 market now. Apple? Not so much.

    41. Re: With Tablets is this even relevant anymore? by Monster_user · · Score: 1

      Late reply,...

      It doesn't matter how much Apple charged for a product. What matters is how much demand Apple created for such a product. And what expectations Apple set for the product. Also, my "2nd gen" iPod Touch was $200 when I bought it. So, Apple was at the sub-$300 price point eary on.

  2. It actually sort of did change the world by klingens · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a reaction to the OLPC we got netbooks as an answer from conventional manufacturers. Yes netbooks were crappy but they still put a constant pressure on OEMs to make cheaper notebooks and lowered all prices for consumer mobile computers.
    The OLPC project itself failed in its goals, but it helped bring us the low cost computing things like Raspberry type SBCs, chromebooks, sub 100$ tablets and phones we have today.

    1. Re:It actually sort of did change the world by bigpat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a reaction to the OLPC we got netbooks as an answer from conventional manufacturers. Yes netbooks were crappy but they still put a constant pressure on OEMs to make cheaper notebooks and lowered all prices for consumer mobile computers.
      The OLPC project itself failed in its goals, but it helped bring us the low cost computing things like Raspberry type SBCs, chromebooks, sub 100$ tablets and phones we have today.

      In the history of computing OLPC was a bit like how xerox palo alto research center (PARC) pushed the envelope of user interface design and inspired the first Apple Computer Macintosh and changed the world even though PARC didn't itself come out with those products.

      I wouldn't diminish the ball that OLPC got rolling even if it failed to gain significant traction as its own enterprise. Schools and school children all over the world are increasingly getting access to usable sub $200 laptops and connected tablets that are giving them unprecedented access to knowledge like never before in the history of the world.

      There is certainly still work to do to make sure that more people all over the world can freely share in knowledge.

    2. Re:It actually sort of did change the world by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

      OLPC kind of tried to do all of those in one - the learnability of a raspberry pi together with the classroom-convenience of a chromebook, at a similar price point (cheap) as both of them.

    3. Re:It actually sort of did change the world by iisan7 · · Score: 1

      I've never heard about this side of the story, certainly never thought of PARC and OLPC in the same sentence. Is there really evidence that OLPC led to breakthroughs in low cost computing? Is it possible to disentangle that effect from the effect of mobile and chromebooks? I'm skeptical but if such a story exists I would find it fascinating.

    4. Re:It actually sort of did change the world by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The OLPC project itself failed in its goals, but it helped bring us the low cost computing things like Raspberry type SBCs,

      I disagree. Technology made all that possible. The world has a long history of tinkering with educational toys. If OLPC didn't ever exist I think we would still be very much using Raspberry Pis and cheap tablets today.

      Technology enabled the low cost. We have always been playing with small SBCs (and by extension been playing with toys for education e.g. BBC Micro) and their cost has always been coming down.
      The market enabled the the sub $100 tablet. No one cares about the OLPC going after some kids in African schools. The 1/4 of the worlds working population in rural Asia / Africa on the other hand is a great market.

    5. Re:It actually sort of did change the world by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Schools and school children all over the world are increasingly getting access to usable sub $200 laptops and connected tablets that are giving them unprecedented access to knowledge like never before in the history of the world.

      Disagree on the causation there. The market is not for the school children and the companies aren't targeting them due to altruism. However India, China, and the other 3rd world *working population* is a huge market that has always been desirable to target. The technology however was lacking.

      Children in African schools can thank the large number of the world's poor for their sub $200 laptops, not OLPC.

    6. Re:It actually sort of did change the world by hawk · · Score: 1

      In the history of computing OLPC was a bit like how xerox palo alto research center (PARC) pushed the envelope of user interface design and inspired the first Apple Computer Macintosh and

      People keep repeating this, but it just isn't true.

      Apple had mockups of the Lisa interface long before the famous visit. It would already have windows and a bit-mapped interface.

      Yes, decisions made by PARC on theirs and seen on the visit influenced the dial Lisa design, but it was in *NO* way, sense, or form the origin of those.

      PARC itself had drawn on the work of one Jeff Raskin, particularly the Master's thesis, which had laid out the notions of an interface with a bit-mapped display, pointing devices, and such. And Raskin worked at . . . yes, you guessed it: Apple.

      hawk

  3. Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    My wife knows it's hard to get kids to sing when they are hungry, or don't know where they are sleeping tonight.

    Equally difficult if kids are trying to use some newfangled laptop thing when they don't have clean water, or enough food.

    Drill a well first. Engage one of the available nutrition providers. Then put a roof on the school. Then you can teach.

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    1. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Funny

      My wife knows it's hard to get kids to sing when they are hungry, or don't know where they are sleeping tonight.

      What kind of monster parents are you guys, anyway?!

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    2. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by DigiShaman · · Score: 2

      A lamp (LED based, crank, and/or solar charge) and reading material changes everything! The biggest innovation came when books were mass produced and the ability to read them at night (affordably) became possible. Otherwise, daylight is reserved for farming and thus a society is stuck in an agrarian stand-still.

      Once a civilization becomes informed and enlightened, decision will be made to elect representatives that reflect their values. Otherwise, despots and dictators will fill the vacuum left in the wake of an ignorant populous and thus leave them in "shit hole" status. Speaking of shit holes, plumbing, specifically, the toilet, is a major quality of life improvement due to improvements in sanitary conditions.

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    3. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by Gavagai80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right, all education in the world must stop until clean water and nutrition are fully addressed everywhere. What are you, a Taliban activist?

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    4. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Alternate perspective - my inlaws we're hungry growing up. They were raised by widows in the 3rd world. They did their homework by candlelight. Education is what allowed them to pull themselves (and eventually their parents) out of poverty. I'm not saying that clean water and food aren't important, but it's certainly possible to work on education without negatively impacting efforts to improve access to food and water. And education can be used to improve one's income, which can then be used to buy food and water - rather than rely on charity.

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    5. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      In many places, and that includes some right here in the U.S., some of the things truly necessary in life, such as clean water and healthy food, not to mention basic safety, are very expensive, more so than technology. But when Internet access comes along, people can learn how to purify and test tainted water, how to find or grow fresh produce, or how to avoid and/or deal with unsafe neighborhoods. It's not been an awful thing here in inner-city Cleveland, Ohio, that almost everyone has a smartphone, even many of the homeless. It is not as important as the things you mentioned, but it is useful, in part because it helps people to be able to find those things.

    6. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by skullandbones99 · · Score: 2

      Deploying renewable energy with battery storage in the developing should be the priority because local electricity generation allows:

      1. Reading at night using LED lamps - allows children to educate themselves using books and laptops, their parents can help as they are not working at night
      2. Pumping of water via electric pumps so less time and effort is needed to get water
      3. Pumped water can irrigate crops so food yields improve
      4. Communication devices can be deployed - allows people to become aware of the world around them and science based skills can be learnt
      5. Cooking and heating

      However, the size of the population needs to be compatible with the available level of resources. Therefore, control of population growth is vital for a good sustainable healthy population.

      Remember the world population doubled from 3.9 billion in 1973 to 7.6 billion today in 2018. In 1800 during the industrial revolution the world population was estimated to be 1 billion people. This shows the risk of deploying technologies because natural causes for death are reduced which allows populations to increase.

    7. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's only so much you can do to uplift people without just running things and reshaping their entire culture (colonization).

      Give them components they can't build themselves, information how to construct the well (internet) and don't brain drain the people who can construct wells with liberal migration policies. Don't just drill a well for them, it creates dependency and laziness.

    8. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The areas that have no electricity and no water are usually war zones.
      God luck improving them.

      Africa is not as backyard as many people think here ... since 40 or more years.

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    9. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately a lot of water in the world is defacto fossil. Pumping ground water for agriculture is a dangerous habit if you don't have the money, technology and cultural sophistication to change course when you should. Look how it worked in Saudi Arabia, from desert to green back to desert, but now with fucked water tables. They got oil, so it's okay for now ... but otherwise they'd be fucked.

    10. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by Strider- · · Score: 2

      Drill a well first. Engage one of the available nutrition providers. Then put a roof on the school. Then you can teach.

      It's not sexy, but one of the most ignored issues in developing countries isn't obtaining clean water (there are plenty of charities that will drill wells), it's dealing with the other end of the process. Clean water only helps so much when you don't have a safe/sanitary way to poop and otherwise relieve yourself. Adequate outhouses and other forms of sanitation are a critical need.

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    11. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      She was a music teacher. Ask her kids what sort of monster parents they had.

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    12. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Hungry is the problem no matter where the kids are. and food is an access problem, not a supply problem. Some part of Africa can;t get food to kids because the military is either stealing it or intending to starve the undesirable population.

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    13. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Hardly. Food, water, and shelter impact everything for these kids. But spending $1300 to school 10 kids in a village might not be as productive as drilling a well, putting a roof and walls on the existing school space, even sending livestock if carefully chosen. Books come cheap and can be shared.

      Laptops in advance seem not so productive, but of course if everything else is solved then sure, go for it.

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    14. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Foot pumps are more practical. Electricity? Not where you think it is.

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    15. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Speaking of shit holes, plumbing, specifically, the toilet, is a major quality of life improvement due to improvements in sanitary conditions.

      It's hard to get people to start using a toilet (amazingly enough.) It's far easier to get them using smartphones/computers.

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    16. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I thought maybe you were married to Maria Von Trapp.

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    17. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      It's hard to get people to start using a toilet (amazingly enough.)

      Depends on whether you pay attention to what works. India's having problems with it. Bangladesh, of all places, is having considerably more success despite being poorer.

    18. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I was thinking about India, specifically.

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    19. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      those of us that pointed this out back when OLPC was promising the world were called luddites on here, or idiots that just didn't understand as the OLPC would provide them all of those things through opportunities to do business and we simply lacked vision. The supporters would trump out the old adage of don't feed a man, teach a man to fish. The reality is nothing is that simple and if teaching him to fish means he dies of starvation while learning you are not going to achieve your goal.

    20. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by taustin · · Score: 1

      Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for the night. Light him on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

    21. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by taustin · · Score: 1

      Indoor plumbing has save more lives than all the medical advance combined.

    22. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

      for these kids.

      For WHAT kids? You're making presumptions and it's turning you into an ass. I'm so sorry that your pretend target audience is suffering with more serious issues, but there are plenty of kids out there that got a laptop and it was hella useful and made their life better.

      if everything else is solved then sure, go for it.

      Utter fucking bullshit.

    23. Re: Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the thoughtful, thorough analysis. Clearly your grandfather's experience was the definitive one, and my observations are entirely uninformed.

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    24. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Again you are presuming that they have NEITHER and can only get ONE.

      How about you? Would you rather have a 5lbs sack of rice or a small cheap laptop? Which would have more utility to you? "Bu bu but I'm RICH! I don't need rice" That's right. Because not EVERY community is literally starving.

      And.... yes it could help them get a source of income that would help get food, water, and shelter. Spreading information and communication DOES go a long way towards stopping corrupt governments.

      There are areas of the world - large areas of the world - where this is a real problem. It is reality. I don't understand how you can't see that.

      I do see that. Those places DO suck. Real bad shit. But there are ALSO areas of the world - large areas of the world, the majority, and growing every year - that are not in absolute poverty but are still kinda poor and could use some tools to make their situation better.

      If you actively ignore everyone but those suffering the worst, you are ignoring the majority of suffering. And take that to an extreame and you'll only be helping one quadrapeligic downs sydrome kid in a coma in some warlord's territory. Look at it this way: Should we REFUSE to help the bums in LA because they don't have it as bad as the bums freezing their ass off in NY?

    25. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The most effective way to curb population growth turns out to be to have a modern reasonably advanced society.

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    26. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Sanitation in general had a tremendous demographic effect. Cities became population sources, not population sinks.

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    27. Re:Misplaced priorities, solving nonexistent... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Back when this was getting going, I thought it doubtful but worth trying. You don't always know if something is going to work out, possibly in an unexpected way.

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  4. Killed on purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Computer system manufacturers had huge huge huge incentive to sink it. If it was a decent laptop, then it would be a huge disruption to their trillion-dollar market.

    I can buy a pretty worthless laptop for about $200 right now, and it has a name like Asus on it. In order to be profitable to the store, and manufacturer, it really is a $100 laptop. They exist, but are sold for more.

    I wonder how much of the OLPC informed todays $200 laptop.

    1. Re:Killed on purpose by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Computer system manufacturers had huge huge huge incentive to sink it. If it was a decent laptop, then it would be a huge disruption to their trillion-dollar market.

      It wasn't designed or intended to be a "decent laptop". It was designed to be OLPC. OLPC was a very different market and very different customers.

      The only reason I ordered one was because it was novel. I would never expect to use it for serious work, and companies would not buy these things for their employees. "Sorry boss, can't finish that report right now, I have to crank-charge my OLPC...". Yes, I fell prey to the blue sky promises of cool technology cheap, and I learned to be skeptical from then on.

    2. Re:Killed on purpose by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      OLPC was a very different market and very different customers.

      And yet rich Americans were chomping at the bit to purchase them, and weren't allowed. Until they came up with their buy 2 get 1 plan...

      The only reason I ordered one was because it was novel.

      You're literally a counter-example to your own stance.

      Of course cheap-ass laptops didn't replace desktops. Come on dude.

    3. Re:Killed on purpose by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      And yet rich Americans were chomping at the bit to purchase them, and weren't allowed. Until they came up with their buy 2 get 1 plan...

      I don't know that "rich Americans" were chomping at anything. I think the draws were novelty ("I have something unusual") or philanthropy ("I'm helping poor children while getting something unusual.") They weren't "chomping at the bit" because the OLPC was going to be a primo laptop that they'd use all the time.

      You're literally a counter-example to your own stance.

      Wrong. It is a perfect example. It was novel. I would have something unusual. It would not be something I carried with me as a work unit. It would be something I showed to others ("look at this cool thing") and then it would go on the shelf next to all the other "cool things" I have bought over the years. Would you like to see my Atari 800? How about my Vectrex? I have a Merlin, too.

      Of course cheap-ass laptops didn't replace desktops. Come on dude.

      Come on, dude, nobody said they did. The discussion is about the OLPC allegedly driving the small laptop/netbook/tablet market, and it just didn't do that. The OLPC market was very different from the standard laptop market. People who needed portable computing weren't going to find it in the OLPC, it just wasn't designed to be that. The OLPC was a very niche market.

    4. Re:Killed on purpose by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      This was before netbooks. Anyone who bought a netbook.... would have wanted one of these. It was the fore-runner to netbooks and first to market. They really could have dominated it... but they chose not to directly sell to Americans. At $100, it's a no-brainer. At $200, I still would have done it. But $400... at the time I felt I might as well get a real laptop. Which is what I ended up doing. And like 3 years later I also got a netbook because they were so damn cheap.

      It was novel. I would have something unusual.

      yeah man, who has a dozen netbooks at home? Buying ONE is plenty.

      next to all the other [PRODUCTS SOLD IN AMERICA] I have bought over the years. [LIST OF COMMERCIAL PRODUCTS SOLD IN AMERICA]

      Yes... like there was some sort of.... market for that. Which is what I'm suggesting. OLPC could have sold to Americans.

      I would never expect to use it for serious work

      Of course cheap-ass laptops didn't replace desktops. Come on dude.

      Come on, dude, nobody said they did.

      . . .oh shit. Is someone making you code professionally on a laptop? Blink once for yes. We can send help.

    5. Re:Killed on purpose by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      This was before netbooks.

      That's why I said "driving the market", not "directly competing with".

      Anyone who bought a netbook.... would have wanted one of these.

      No. They just aren't the same capability or intended use.

      It was the fore-runner to netbooks and first to market.

      A. Big deal. B. No, it wasn't really. There were other small form factor computers. They cost more and were designed to do more.

      Just two examples. The HP OmniBook 300 came out in 1993 -- long before OLPC. The OmniBook 800 came out in 1996. NEITHER were in the same market as the OLPC. People who bought Omnibooks would not buy an OLPC to replace them, but they might buy one for either of the two reasons I already mentioned. Those reasons would mean IN ADDITION to the HP or other devices they already owned, not INSTEAD OF. The OLPC just was not intended to be the same market as existing small computers of the day, or of today.

      I had about four of the 300s. The LCD screen tends to go out first, and the stupid decision to power them with a positive ground cost me two of the dear little devices. I still have an 800.

      yeah man, who has a dozen netbooks at home? Buying ONE is plenty.

      When I said "It was novel. I would have something unusual." that wasn't because it would be novel to own more than one, it was novel in that not many people owned them at all. It was unusual for anyone to own any of them. It was "hey, this is the thing Negroponte is making all the hoopla about. Look how cute it is. Isn't it just darling?"

      And sweetheart, I've already told you I had four Omnibook 300s of my own and an 800 at work, plus two Aspire Ones and several other laptops of various sizes. I don't know if "a dozen" is accurate, but "many more than one" certainly is. That's counting just the ones that weren't bought for their novelty value but because they solved a computing problem and did real work.

      . . .oh shit. Is someone making you code professionally on a laptop?

      What a completly asinine non-sequitor. Read the fucking discussion. It's about the OLPC and the laptop market, not who "codes professionally on a laptop".

  5. Cheap subnotebooks until 2012 by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes netbooks were crappy but they still put a constant pressure on OEMs to make cheaper notebooks and lowered all prices for consumer mobile computers.

    And for a few glorious years, one could buy subnotebook-sized PCs at entry-level prices. They had an Atom CPU that could run full desktop operating systems at roughly Pentium 4 speeds, not the fastest but still usable. Thus one could use them to work on hobby programming projects while riding transit to and from a day job. Then Apple released the iPad and MacBook Air, and laptop makers dropped the entry-level subnotebook segment in favor of tablets and Ultrabook laptops with a higher profit margin.

    1. Re:Cheap subnotebooks until 2012 by kamapuaa · · Score: 2

      They've never stopped selling that kind of computer...there's hp's stream 11, for instance. $200, including a year of Microsoft Office. They're located in the far corner of the store. Totally usable.

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    2. Re:Cheap subnotebooks until 2012 by tepples · · Score: 1

      I don't see how sub-1080p resolution necessarily makes a subnotebook "unusable". The first two generations of iPad were 1024x768, and the first generation netbooks were 1024x600. The diagonal measure of a 1366x768 square pixel display is 1567 pixels. At 11.6 inches on the Stream 11, that's 135 DPI, or almost double the 72 DPI that of classic Mac computers.

      The display of the OLPC XO-1 has a 1200x900 pixel resolution, but the way its color backlight works makes it perceptually comparable to somewhere between 800x600 and 1024x768. So if a Stream 11 is "unusable", so is an XO-1.

    3. Re:Cheap subnotebooks until 2012 by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. I'm using an X220i with a 12.5" 1366x768 screen, and it's perfectly usable for a subnotebook. Would I do a full day's work on it? Hell no, but that's what docking stations and big monitors are for.

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    4. Re:Cheap subnotebooks until 2012 by toddestan · · Score: 1

      A lot of that was also Microsoft's fault. They had cheap (or free) versions of Windows for netbooks, so long as the computer didn't exceed certain specs. Which is why every netbook had nearly identical specs no matter who made it, and this went on for years where it seemed netbooks were stuck in a timewarp and never got any better.

      Of course, there were the Linux netbooks, but since the Linux models were basically the Windows models but with Linux loaded on them, effectively Microsoft was dictating the specs for those models too.

      Eventually they were just too weak, started getting squeezed on the low end by cheap tablets, and on the high-end by full-blown laptops which started hitting the sub-$300 price point themselves.

  6. It's a Shame... by Thelasko · · Score: 1, Interesting
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    1. Re:It's a Shame... by hipp5 · · Score: 1

      ...no one else picked up where it left off and developed a successful low cost computer for educational purposes.

      While the RPi is an amazing little device, it's not really an analogue to the idea of OLPC. OLPC wan't really about teaching how computers work / programming, it was about giving kids a portal to information. It was a teaching computer in the sense that it gave access to information, not that it taught about computers.

      Plus, once you add a screen, battery, input source, and rugged case to an RPi I'm not sure you're going to it the $100 price point either.

      Of course, this all is moot, because kids in third world countries probably don't need a computer of any type. They need nutrition, and sanitation, and a clean water supply.

    2. Re:It's a Shame... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      They need nutrition, and sanitation, and a clean water supply.

      They also need education, or they will be as dependent on nutrition, sanitation, and water charities as they are.

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    3. Re:It's a Shame... by mysidia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      probably don't need a computer of any type. They need nutrition, and sanitation, and a clean water supply.

      Oh, don't be so selfish. There are many kids in 3rd world countries who could benefit from the enhanced opportunities that computers could bring them to learn and communicate. The countries are 3rd world because of less economic development, and show me the children of a country, and I'll show you the future of a country's economy, business, science, and industry.

      Many of the kids in 3rd world countries don't necessarily lack the necessary nutrition, sanitation, or clean water for survival, And the internet could help provide them empowering information or support needed to help more people in those countries become more effective, more intellectually capable to do science and tackle problems, more industrious, or better their community in other ways.

    4. Re:It's a Shame... by crunchygranola · · Score: 1

      ...

      While the RPi is an amazing little device, it's not really an analogue to the idea of OLPC. OLPC wan't really about teaching how computers work / programming, it was about giving kids a portal to information. It was a teaching computer in the sense that it gave access to information, not that it taught about computers.

      ...

      Having actually owned I one I must disagree. Learning about computer hardware and Python program was the only thing the OLPC could be used for. It was so primitive in its software and OS that it could not be used to get useful access to information. Yes, it had a browser with it - but one that was severely hobbled and barely up to minimal web standards out of the box.

      It has been years now since the fairly brief period when I tried to wring some use out of the thing, so I can no longer quote chapter-and-verse, but it was a terrible exercise in frustration trying to use it at all.

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    5. Re:It's a Shame... by tkotz · · Score: 1

      I have to say I had a very different experience. I took it with me on a vacation to manage photos and check the web. I used it pretty extensively as an e-reader which I would say was its real primary design purpose. The high visibilty display was great for reading in very diverse conditions. It was not a work horse by any means, and I phased it out completely when android devices entered the picture. I dual booted mine with debian and used for a while to do a number of fun things. It couldn't handle the modern web, but I enjoyed it and was actually trying to reconfigure it for my niece when the screen finally suffered a mechanical failure.

  7. technology outpaced it by argStyopa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "one laptop per child" demand was met instead largely by smartphones.

    While Negroponte was busily tilting at his particular windmill, Samsung and others built a more powerful, more legible, longer-service device that they could sell across the planet.

    Score another one for the free market, really.

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    1. Re:technology outpaced it by swillden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The "one laptop per child" demand was met instead largely by smartphones.

      Nothing has really met what I always thought was the coolest and most valuable goal of the OLPC project: Ultimate hackability. There was a "view source" button on the keyboard. For any program that happens to be running, you could press the "view source" button and get a window with the source code (everything was Python), which you could read and even modify at will. The system was designed to make this very safe, with easy restoration to a prior functional state and extremely strong sandboxing of all apps (the security model was very cool, actually) to limit the damage of malware.

      I was really jazzed by the idea of turning hundreds of millions of kids loose on such an environment. Sure, a high percentage of them would have no interest in coding, but if 1% of them got interested in it that would be millions of young programmers, and some percentage of them would be brilliant. I was excited by the what this might mean for software engineering... and for third world countries who just might be able to turn themselves into software powerhouses.

      But, it never happened. Instead, we have devices that in many ways have higher barriers to entry and are harder to program than traditional desktop OSes.

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    2. Re:technology outpaced it by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      They shipped 3 million At that 1% = 30,000 young coders doesn't sound like a trivial number. (And I'm sure most of them have been through multiple hands). It's been years, where are the success stories or github accounts popping up from Uruguay and Nigeria? You'd think these feel-good stories would be an easy sell.

    3. Re:technology outpaced it by swillden · · Score: 1

      They also walked back the hackability before shipping. They were afraid that kids would be confused by it.

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    4. Re:technology outpaced it by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The "one laptop per child" demand was met instead largely by smartphones.

      Causal failure: The first smartphone to hit the market came several years after the OLPC project. The first affordable third world smartphone came years after OLPC had been forgotten as a failure.

    5. Re:technology outpaced it by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Lots of them get recycled because they're old and flaky. Dropping a hodgepodge of unreliable units of all sorts on a village would be of dubious help.

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    6. Re:technology outpaced it by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      While that may have been interesting for you, I think we can say reasonably that 99% or more of people generally DON'T CARE.

      Most people DON'T WANT TO CODE.
      They DON'T CARE ABOUT CODE.
      They will never code, even if you forced them to learn how.

      It's a marginal activity, interesting to a small segment and able to be done well by an even smaller segment.

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    7. Re:technology outpaced it by swillden · · Score: 1

      Did you read the post you responded to? I said 99% would not be interested.

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  8. Why 100 bucks? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    I mean, it sounds like a neat sum in the ears of someone from the US, but for everyone else it's 1,198.25ZAR, 410.017TRY, 840.600SEK, 1,799.81MXN, 10,693.16JPY or 80.9115EUR.

    And that even changes as time passes.

    What would have been wrong with demanding "a laptop way cheaper than what laptops are being sold at today"? Because nobody gives a shit about whether it's 130, 180 or 200 bucks as long as it's worth it. It's not a "pretty" sum in 99% of the world's currencies anyway.

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    1. Re: Why 100 bucks? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      It was a target and a notional goal, and with the inflation introduced to bail out the bankers, we *did* get $100 laptops, when accounting for inflation (real, not BLS BS numbers).

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    2. Re:Why 100 bucks? by supremebob · · Score: 1

      I think that the problem is that the $100 laptop basically became a $200 laptop, and even back then you could get a used laptop for that price that would run circles around the OLPC with a better software selection.

      But, hey... it helped to kickstart "netbooks", which were pretty bad but eventually evolved into small and light laptops that also cost around $250.

    3. Re:Why 100 bucks? by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Well, who do you think they expected to pay for it? Charities (and contributors to charitable causes) in the first world, or people with no money?

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  9. We Need To Lynch - Not Reward - Marketers by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    The entirely Silicon Valley model is founded upon raising interest in shit which doesn't exist then delivering on it after you've raised hundreds of millions to billions of dollars.

    This is a fundamentally dumb model which favors marketing and sales people controlling wealth instead of scientists and engineers, so you end up with things like Theranos and OLPC, which after all the fundraising prove to be impossible at a technical level.

    This in turn further consolidates wealth with the people most incapable of using it to drive Humanity forward: the marketing and sales people. Meanwhile the scientists and engineers are treated as tools to achieve the ambitions of the "big picture" morons.

    The entire draw of OLPC was much like code.org/summer-of-code, in that if you give all the third world kids laptops then it follows you could radically undercut the labor costs of the nerds making the shit ideas happen. It's a good thing it failed, but the fact it gained so much interest is itself a sign of these horrible things.

    There's no nice solution to this problem, but probably the one which would benefit Humanity the greatest amount while propelling us forward the furthest technologically would simply to be lynch the marketing and sales people, or maybe just trigger fault line and drop Silicon Valley into the ocean.

    1. Re:We Need To Lynch - Not Reward - Marketers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I like your feistiness, but you are overstating the issue. Selling a dream about shit that does not exist is not a terrible thing. The problem is when the feedback loops are wrong-sized.

      In this case I would ask whether anyone actually tried putting one or ten $1000 laptops in a very poor school actually looking to see if that helped education. Then we might be able to guess whether anyone wants a $100 laptop. These are questions that are possible to answer for ~$100ks in research grants, before spending millions on engineering $1 billion solutions that will never happen because no one wants them.

      If cheap computers were actually an education miracle, there are billions of dollars in private donations that could be found. There are people with money who will give it away to actually make the world a better place. It is the arrogance of marketing non-solutions that annoys me, and the business leaders and smartypants engineers are just as guilty.

    2. Re:We Need To Lynch - Not Reward - Marketers by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      Silicon Valley is parasitic by nature, all the technologies we have would still exist without them.

    3. Re:We Need To Lynch - Not Reward - Marketers by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      Been in IT for 2 and a half decades, you fraud. I know the systems involved and you're full of shit. Parasitic corporations are the result of corruption which increases over time in an economic system, they are the natural result but that's why we have regulations and in extreme cases revolutions. Businesses are a construct to do a thing, people are corruptible. The people who focus their energy on learning how to manipulate others as opposed to learning how to manipulate the laws of nature are the most inherently corrupt, and that is what corrupts the overall system.

  10. Re:They're called smart phones by alvinrod · · Score: 1

    While smart phones and cellular (or wireless) connectivity have brought computing and the wealth of knowledge that is the internet to people who previously did not have access to it, they don't provide a way for those people to develop for those platforms. Trying to create an Android app on an Android phone is a non-starter for most people. Although OLPC wasn't successful, I believe that the idea behind the project is still important.

  11. Wrong target market by u19925 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The third wold is not as illiterate as many Americans think they are. The OLPC project could only benefit those where at least the teachers knew how to use computer. But the schools where teachers knew how to use computer were already in the upper class in most third world countries. How to you give computer to village teachers? My sister is a teacher in a school which received computers from govt as part of pilot program. Two years later the teachers were fighting for playing solitaire on it during the period breaks. Not a single student had touched the computer. She herself had just learned how to switch on and switch off and create a doc in Notepad. No printing, no communication, nothing. This was in 2006-2008. Throwing a bunch of PC at students doesn't help them. They will benefit more if you give them money to buy books, notebooks, pencils, pen, chalk, dusters, musical instruments and so on. Almost all school students that I know, they waste more time on electronics gadgets then they use them. I wish the school had zero requirements for any electronics and these students would have done much better.

    1. Re:Wrong target market by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      This.

      There are parts of Africa where schools are available to the children, but only if they can provide the basics like paper and pencils themselves.

      Just donating paper, pencils and other basic supplies can result in many more children getting an education.

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    2. Re:Wrong target market by jwhyche · · Score: 3

      This and more. The problem I see all the time is a bunch of technological elites coming in and thinking they know best. They think if they just throw a bunch of technology at the problem then it will go away. Africa is a big place. One solution will not solve all the problems. An throwing a bunch of technology at it won't solve it.

      An that is exactly what I'm seeing in every post here. A once size fits all. Throw a bunch of books at them or throw a computers. Dig them a well then drop the internet on them. Africa's problems' are African problems. How about instead of assuming we know all the answer, we ask the Africans what they need?

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    3. Re:Wrong target market by TheSync · · Score: 1

      They will benefit more if you give them money to buy books, notebooks, pencils, pen, chalk, dusters, musical instruments and so on.

      They will benefit EVEN MORE if poor country governments allowed enough economic freedom that the economies could effectively and productively employ educated children when they become adults.

      If there is no industry, and no skilled jobs, there is little reason to spend much time in school, thus children become only loosely attached to school (pulled out whenever harvest or other child labor financial opportunity presents itself to the family), and teachers are mainly sitting around earning a paycheck for time served because no one is motivated to ensure that they are motivated, and no one is going to fire a public employee.

      Alternatively, take Botswana, which has transformed itself from one of the world's poorest countries to a middle-income country. The regulatory environment encourages growth, and openness to foreign investment and trade promotes competitiveness and resilience, and it remains the least corrupt country on the African continent. GDP is $17,042 per capita and has 4.2% 5-year CAGR.

      And though Cote d'Ivoire is starting from a lower level (GDP per capita $3,609), it has 8.9% 5-year CAGR. To maintain Cote d'Ivoire's enviable record of economic expansion, the government plans additional pro-market reforms, including streamlining of bureaucratic procedures to cut business costs and support small and medium-size enterprises.

  12. Re:Clean water, enough to eat, safe place to live by dj245 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I agree with whoever anonymous person it was quoted in TFA: too many places on this planet, in 2018, have too many people who don't even have the basics to sustain their lives: clean water to drink, enough food to eat, and a safe place to live -- and actual schools for their children, not high-tech toys. How about we solve those problems for everyone on the planet first, instead of putting the cart before the horse?

    The grand idea at the time was to get those people the information needed to lift themselves up. The OLPCs were intended to have an offline copy of Wikipedia as an example. The real-world problems tend to get solved quickly and cheaply when people can get information on how to purify water, farm more effectively, etc.

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  13. Re:Oh fuck off by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    3D printing is actually pretty fucking big when it comes to science because it is used heavily in building test apparatus these days - which themselves would have driven up the costs of research projects by several orders of magnitude if they all had to be done via CNC still. Segways were fucking stupid and only idiots ever thought otherwise. Modern AI is definitely nothing like an AI - it's just a heuristic network at best, usually it's more rudimentary pattern recognition (e.g. we figured out how we do something, then made an obfuscated system to replicate that) that everyone seems to expect will develop sentience when you throw enough of it together - where the issue is we're still 50-100 years from having the world's most powerful supercomputer even having the hardware capability to match the brainpower of a mentally retarded person. I don't think people are seriously considering colonizing the universe via the asteroid belt, so much as they want backup plans on other planets and are using the bait of asteroid mining valuable materials in conjunction with pretending they have their head in the sand over the fact those things would be worthless and rapidly depreciating in value the moment you started a supply chain bringing them back to Earth - the overall intent on that one of having a backup in case Earth gets hit by an asteroid is a fundamentally good idea though.

  14. Re:Winbook by kyrsjo · · Score: 1

    Windows 8 came out 7 years after this prototype was showed off tough - many things happened in those years.

  15. Some faults by grumbel · · Score: 1

    To me the OLPC had three major points where it fell short:

    Lack of regular consumer availability. They only sold the thing to the government, not to regular consumers. The Give1Get1 program was time limited and overpriced, since you were buying two. Thus the EeePC stole the show, since it was hardware that you could actually buy instead of just read about. The OLPC might have fared much better if they had released an adult version, with a bigger keyboard, more RAM and better color scheme.

    Lack of self-hosting. While the idea of allowing people to write programs on the OLPC was there, that was never really all that practical. The software wasn't up to snuff and the documentation was lacking. Thus the OLPC ended up feeling much more like a consumer-only device, like a modern Android tablet, than a machine you could build stuff with yourself.

    Underpowered hardware. 1GB Flash and 256MB RAM just wasn't enough, especially when it comes to Web browsing. It would fit the core OS barely, but it would drastically limit what you could do with the device. Double the storage and RAM would have increased the price, but it would also have lead to a much more useful device.

    All that said, the OLPC itself might not have been the success they wanted it to be, but it was still the starting point of cheap computing devices. The idea of a $100 PC was utopic back than. Now I can buy $50 Android tablets and $30 Raspberry Pis.

    1. Re:Some faults by tepples · · Score: 1

      $30 Raspberry Pi? Plus a power supply, screen, keyboard and a mouse.

      How much would all those and a portable case (for use as if it were a laptop) cost?

    2. Re:Some faults by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      If the power supply has to (a) be a battery and (b) power the screen, more than a completely built lower power laptop. At least, as far as I've found. If you've found otherwise, let me know. But yeah, it's cost that makes me plan my next laptop (for light use) a Chromebook plus a Linux distro instead of a RaspBiBook.

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    3. Re:Some faults by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 1

      Underpowered hardware. 1GB Flash and 256MB RAM just wasn't enough, especially when it comes to Web browsing. It would fit the core OS barely, but it would drastically limit what you could do with the device. Double the storage and RAM would have increased the price, but it would also have lead to a much more useful device.

      I think the specs would have been ok, with a decent OS. Sugar GUI was all interpreted and ran dog slow. I felt they were trying to bite off too much at once with hardware design, plus "new revolutionary UI paradigm". They should have tried to design it around a more standard Linux distro. Damn Small Linux for example would run serviceable on that machine. A more standard Linux platform would make it easier for people to target content for it.

      At the time I had systems that were Pentium III with 256MB RAM. Not fast, but serviceable for web browsing, Productivity software, etc. On the storage it did have an SD slot, but even 1GB should be plenty. Look at what can fit in a CD size Live CD.

  16. Pine64 did it by rjzak · · Score: 1

    I know it's a decade+ later, but we now have a $100 laptop. And it's quite usable. https://www.pine64.org/?page_id=3707
    OLPC was a great idea though!

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  17. I Got One Of These For My Daughter by crunchygranola · · Score: 4, Informative

    Part of the give-one-get-one program, so I made a charitable contribution in the process (total cost $400). My daughter was a pre-teen at the time.

    The fundamental problem with the OLPC is that it did not have any software that a child, or anyone not into systems hacking perhaps, could or would want to use. Sure there was Python on it, and everything was written in Python and if you wanted just to learn Python it might have a use case. But that was it.

    It was more like a hardware demo prototype, than something was useful for anything.

    My daughter never used it.

    At the same time I bought an EEEPC with Linux on it. $375, roughly the same size. But it was about a million times more useful. My daughter loved it.

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    1. Re:I Got One Of These For My Daughter by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      At the same time I bought an EEEPC with Linux on it. $375, roughly the same size. But it was about a million times more useful. My daughter loved it.

      (And for a first-world child, yeah, I'd say learning Linux is simply more viable.)

      But you can't quite compare the time usage between these two devices as one was $375 and HALF the cost of the other was literally donated somewhere. You're comparing a $400 device and a $200 device. It's no real shock that she preferred the one that's twice as valuable (and therefore, presumably, has twice the capabilities). And once you get used to a system... well, we all know about lock-in here at slashdot. I doubt your pre-teen had never used any linux system prior.

    2. Re:I Got One Of These For My Daughter by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The OLPC really couldn't run off of a crank either. They did build a handful of the crank units but gave up on it pretty quickly because it just wasn't practical.

  18. Re:cranking the killer drawback by grumbel · · Score: 1

    That was the design phase, the crank never went into production.

  19. Re:Clean water, enough to eat, safe place to live by mysidia · · Score: 1

    It is not economically or practically feasible for us or even all the 1st world nations put together to "solve" their problems; the BEST we could ever reasonably hope to do is to empower people in those countries to solve the problems within their communities.

  20. Re:Clean water, enough to eat, safe place to live by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    There already are charities focused on bringing food and water to people, it's OK for a different charity to start up and offer education. And FWIW I met one group who were setting up pumps and wells and it seemed like they were doing it more for the sake of allowing people to colonize new areas than for the sake of improving people's lots in areas where they were already living. There a lot in the mix.

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  21. Re:Hubris ... by White+Yeti · · Score: 1

    I think it's "el boatload".

  22. No self-hosting hasn't stopped iPad and Chromebook by tepples · · Score: 1

    Lack of self-hosting. While the idea of allowing people to write programs on the OLPC was there, that was never really all that practical. The software wasn't up to snuff and the documentation was lacking. Thus the OLPC ended up feeling much more like a consumer-only device, like a modern Android tablet, than a machine you could build stuff with yourself.

    Yet the inability to self-host* hasn't stopped the sales of iPad tablets and Chromebooks. Access to the GNU or LLVM development toolchain with the possibility for output through a GUI toolkit is the one thing I miss after the end of netbooks. Or are people desiring a subnotebook-sized device for writing programs expected to hoard used netbooks and learn to, say, replace individual lithium ion cells in their battery packs?

    * By which I mean self-host without self-destructing like a developer mode Chromebook.

  23. Re:Oh fuck off by jm007 · · Score: 1

    speaking of giving it a try....

    Charles H. Duell was the Commissioner of US patent office in 1899. Mr. Deull's most famous attributed utterance is that "everything that can be invented has been invented." Most patent attorneys have also heard that the quote is apocryphal.

    https://patentlyo.com/patent/2...

    good thing Edison and any others with a vision didn't give up or you'd have to use the Pony Express to mail in your negativity

  24. Damn it by Tsolias · · Score: 1

    I wish, as a kid, had such a shitposting machine. I could start my career 10 years earlier.

  25. We'll make a $100 laptop! by plopez · · Score: 1

    How hard can it be? Computers are magic right? We just sprinkle a little technology dust on it and bingo! $100 dollar laptop! What could possibly go wrong!

    (later)

    What! We should have investigated component costs, form factor prices, and production costs *before* we set the price?

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    1. Re:We'll make a $100 laptop! by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      actually it happened, now you can buy can get tablet with keyboard in a case for under $100 that does more than the OLPC can do

  26. Re:Magical thinking by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 1

    Don't build them schools, they are not handicapped. Given them the economic incentive to build schools and send their kids to them.

    Certified fair trade is a better way to get kids into schools than just putting up a building.

  27. One Chromebook Per Child by DickBreath · · Score: 1

    Chromebooks are big in edumacations.

    * Cheap (especially in volume, wholesale prices negotiated between school district and selected manufacturer)
    * Choice of manufacturer, price, features, size, memory, storage, cpu, and MOST IMPORTANTLY: style, color
    * Fairly durable
    * Can be managed in fleets. (eg, school maintains complete control of device)
    * Verified boot via TPM helps ensure that software, updates and management of device can be trusted
    * Device can be remote-wiped if lost, stolen, or eaten.
    * Since devices are cloud based, all lessons, etc are on school's server, and thus replacing a child's broken, stolen, lost or eaten chromebook is very easy without disruptification.
    * Chromebooks CAN now run Android apps, including the Play store.
    * Of course, district can control ability to install additional apps. (Including the Play store for Android)

    No wonder Chromebooks are so popular in this setting.

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    1. Re:One Chromebook Per Child by RestlessWarrior · · Score: 1

      Funny you should mention "eaten." Apparently a kid in my son's high school comp-sci class did just that.

  28. Re:Unlikely cost of $200 by ledow · · Score: 1

    You mean like the Pi-Top? Inspired by OLPC if you look at it, it costs a LOT more than $100, even today with all the production in full swing and the costs greatly subsidised by having sold millions of units.

    The hand-cranked power supply is literally a bolt-on item with a Trevor Bayliss (RIP) clockwork mechanism, basically, but at further cost.

    Honestly, you can't get a Pi, working, with a stable power supply, storage, a screen (generally the most expensive bit) and something to contain it for under $100. Certainly not that would be safe and reliable and durable enough and available in such countries.

    Sorry but mentioning a price was ALWAYS a mistake. There wasn't a country on earth willing to pay what was actually necessary to get what was actually promised, but you could have made a hand/solar/dropping-weight powered laptop that operated in some fashion for that price easily. Just not what they promised. Or you could have made a laptop as promised and try to get people to subsidise it.

    The problem, as ever, was that there was no actual need for it. Places where OLPC could succeed could have done a lot more for that money - like just hiring a teacher for a lot less, which would give the teacher a job, and the kids their own "computer" in the classroom to teach them.

    It was always a half-hearted pipe-dream, and it never gained traction at any point. The RPi come out and nobody even connected the two in their head because OLPC was already dead by then.

  29. Re:Screen by ledow · · Score: 1

    Yep. It was so good that nobody even copied it for e-readers, even from the transition to B&W e-ink screens to colour LCDs.

    Because... and this is critical... it was shit and cost too much.

  30. "reboot every few hours" by Mozai · · Score: 1
    I found my old XO-1 in a storage basket yesterday. It kept rebooting itself, so I looked into applying patches. The latest release is version 13.2.9 , published December 2017. Not bad. In the release notes, it warns me there's a memory leak in this version, and it recommends

    On the XO-1 we recommend that you restart Sugar every few hours, and especially after visiting the Background screen in My Settings. The leak is even more severe if the network view shows many icons.

    C'mon.

  31. Dell 11.6" laptop is only $149 by DirkDaring · · Score: 1

    Looks like they could have saved a lot of time and effort, and I only checked 1 major vendor. I'm sure others have similar.
    7th Generation AMD E2-9000e Processor with Radeon R2 Graphics
    Windows 10 Home 64-bit English
    4GB, DDR4, 2400MHz; up to 16GB
    32GB eMMC

    1. Re:Dell 11.6" laptop is only $149 by DirkDaring · · Score: 1

      Hah, didn't see the date. Well said, thanks.

    2. Re:Dell 11.6" laptop is only $149 by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      The OLPC is the last 485 I ever used, right around then even.

      I don't know if that's what you're referencing, but I read it as a funny coincidense.

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  32. Re:Clean water, enough to eat, safe place to live by neoRUR · · Score: 1

    Agreed, Its not an either or, you should have both. But the laptop will empower the mind of a young kid, even if he doesn't have water or food, he will still be able to believe.
    The kid can't built a well or have the means to get fresh water to their state, that is a larger higher up problem, quite above the means of the kids.

  33. Re:Oh fuck off by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

    Citation desperately needed.

    I do experiments and 3D printing always radically reduces the costs of the apparatus required, usually on the order of being 0.01 - 0.001 % of the cost without a 3D printer, it's absolutely ridiculous how cheap it makes it to do science experiments.

    Um, you sure about that? I used to keep tabs on Space Nutters, I had a list of posts and users that definitely were "touched" in the brain. Read this book

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Millennial_Project

    I said "people," not "plebs." What the masses do has never and will never constitute what Humanity does or considers, they are tools of the people with the resources to control them. They cheer for space colonization akin to The Expanse and asteroid mining because their masters want a backup plan for the Earth. They cheer for the riches without comprehension of the market effects because they have no concept of the market effects and that's a useful lie. It's like when a dictator convinces a bunch of idiotic mass of people they will get free shit if they help put the dictator in power - the fact they don't know it's a lie is irrelevant to the course of Humanity because if they did have the mental faculties to know it were a lie they would have been told something else.

  34. I bought the first model at 4:00 AM opening day by kriston · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I ordered the first model OLPC XO-1 at 4:00 AM opening day.

    It was exciting, and the give-one-get-one idea made that $400 a reasonably altruistic purchase even though it was supposed to be a $100 computer.

    The dual mode (reflective/backlit) screen was great but for a few stuck pixels. I didn't want to burden the project with my nitpicking so I kept it.

    I really wanted to like it, and since I was a long-time Cyrix MediaGX processor user I thought that the evolved AMD Geode derivative should have been a performance boost.

    It wasn't a slow laptop but the designed-by-committee Sugar desktop software crippled its performance dramatically. It sought to solve a problem nobody had with a solution nobody wanted. I optimized it as much as I could and eventually gave up and put a more conventional X Windows desktop on it and lost interest.

    I still own it. The newer models didn't interest me once the Netbooks and Google Chromebooks came out.

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  35. Re: Oh fuck off by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Edison invented the modern Research and Development lab. He was the first to develop and maintain a staff of people to develop things. Before his invention R&D was always an adjunct process.

  36. Actually, the project objective was still achieved by GrpA · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't think the project failed at all.

    It was quite an interesting and ambitious project at the time - the concept that a full PC could be manufactured for less than $1000. Many of us, at the time, said things like, "Think of all the cool things we could do with a laptop that only costs $100"... And you know, this was back when a laptop typically cost around $1000 or more, and was a complex computer.

    Sure, it was ambitious, but it pushed the concept of a cheaper laptop for children far before anything in it's time, and first sub-$500 laptops came out.. Early small-screen devices with pretty good, if somewhat degraded performance.

    And pretty soon the market realized that this was possible, and there was a market for it - cheaper laptops for kids and people who wouldn't otherwise use a computer.

    So the market responded, and the capabilities that technology could bring changed. Smaller displays came out. Cheaper processors. Lower cost memory solutions. And people started buying these and pushing for embedded-able systems, and it happened.

    Sure, OLPC as a product was a complete failure - they were like a pre-kickstarter project gone wrong - but they were the spark that lit the fire that continued to grow in intensity and they did succeed in one simply object just by existing - they re-aligned the market.

    But, in a way, the vision they had wasn't lost. It was influenced, and it came to be... Just not with them.

    So the end result was achieved by a failed project - which then brings up the question as to whether the project was to bring low-cost computers to children in third-world countries so they could change the world, or whether it was to sell laptops.

    Because only one of those objectives wasn't achieved.

    Of course, the Raspberry Pi was probably the spiritual successor to this concept and came out much later without the same fanfare and backslapping, but it did manage to succeed and change the world.

    GrpA

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  37. Re:Millions of little programmers? by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    even a $500 smart phone is beyond the reach of the children

    . . . Even? As in that price-tag for a phone is... low?

    And can you imagine trying to write anything beyond a tweet on a smart phone keyboard?

    If only we had the technology...

  38. Re:Clean water, enough to eat, safe place to live by HeckRuler · · Score: 2

    How about we solve those problems for everyone on the planet first, instead of putting the cart before the horse?

    Because that's fucking BULLSHIT. You're suggesting we HALT all development other than the water, food, and shelter.

    FURTHERMORE, congratulations, we HAVE / ARE solving those problems. BOOM.

    There are LESS places with LESS people in those situations than there has been for hundreds of years. That's not percentage-based either, I mean absolutely. TIMES ARE GOOD.

    Why would you want to bar the poor from having high technology? Why keep them down in the dirt? What would motivate you to even suggest that?

  39. those of us who were right at the time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and said it was obvious BS and just the MIT media lab's usual super hype/PR
    those of us who said this at the time, and were scorned and derided, do we get even the hint of an apology

    right, this is slashdot

  40. current state of cheap phone and internet in India by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I will update you on what is commercial today in India. We can get a 4G Jio phone(feature phone with video capabilities) for a deposit of around 25$(Rs 1500) refundable after 3 years.
    see
    https://www.jio.com/en-in/book-jio-phone

    For less than a dollar per month you get unlimited voice calls and sms and 42GB data for less than 3$ per month. This is light years ahead of the OLPC and is successfully running as a commercial operation of very big size.

  41. At the time I was disappointed by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 2

    that they spent YEARS trying to design and manufacture extremely low power displays with new (and admittedly more reliable than current stock) light source designs.

    Yes those displays were innovative. They were also extremely over-designed and unnecessarily sacrificed readability for power efficiency.

    But the big problem is that using current stock displays would have allowed machines on the market instantly and cheaply, while inventing a new technology required years of wasted time and limited manufacturing and source options.

    Over the years commodity stock displays overtook the OLPC screen technology in price and in some of the capabilities by extreme amounts anyway. The choice to create a new technology looks ever worse.

    To get an idea of how weird the OLPC display was, instead of using light colored by filters and led peak colors, they used prisms that spread light from a white power source. And instead of choosing to use the three narrow color bands that are optimized for the peaks of the human visual system and are the only way to get saturated colors, they instead chose to use 4 color bands and use all the light, not just the peaks. Sure that probably improved the light efficiency by a large factor, but the result was an entirely novel display technology that looked horrible and would have no market outside the OLPC.

    Similarly the fact that the display could also work in a reflective mode in black and white was innovative, but was all this worth adding 3 or 4 years to the development time and limiting manufacturing sources and driving up the price?

    The choice of LEDs as a light source also made the light source more reliable than what was in use at the time. But stock display technologies eventually caught up with that.

  42. Re:along with an ad for $9 PC by stooo · · Score: 1

    Wait, what ?
    You mean, Internet has Ads now ?
    Wow.

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  43. Re:Actually, the project objective was still achie by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    And pretty soon the market realized that this was possible, and there was a market for it - cheaper laptops for kids and people who wouldn't otherwise use a computer.

    Err no. The market for a cheap thing for kids is basically non-existant. The market was for a large portion of the working 3rd world. The kids benefitted of being in the same pricing category of a far larger and more desirable market.

    To that end: This was just a natural course of capitalism. OLPC could never have existed (and let's face it, it pretty much didn't) and we would have been in the same place as we are now. They didn't invent a market, certainly didn't invent a profitable one, didn't invent minaturisation, and effectively did nothing that technology companies wouldn't naturally have gotten to anyway.

    The world has a long history of tinkering with toys, miniturising, and lowering cost. This was nothing more than natural progression. OLPC was a great idea, but failed in execution partially because they were ahead of their time, and I would argue didn't leave any mark on the world.

  44. Like many others... by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    ...the OLPC idea was not bad at it's core, but the execution was poor and it eventually got replaced by commercial ideas.
    First of all, historical perspective. This was over 10 years ago, couple of years before even Netbooks which also failed but was a commercial counter proposition of sorts.
    Back then, we didn't have tablets, the first iPhone was still to be announced (it was launched in 2007 too), laptops were hugely expensive, and there was no de-facto option for cheaper kids oriented devices.
    I think at most schools had some sort of partnership with Microsoft with a lab filled with older Windows Me PCs... which anyone can understand how crappy an experience that would be. :P

    Problem at execution: It came as a grand announcement, one laptop for every kid in schools that needed it, accessibility for the masses, education, etc etc. But the execution failed. It was supposed to be 100 bucks, but that price quickly raised when the people behind it realized it was impossible, at the time, to make a durable laptop with enough power to be useful, given that it'd be passing through lots of students hands.
    There were delays, partner conflicts, criticism on adoption of x or y hardware and software, some thoughts for and against going with open source stuff, etc etc etc.
    Initial batches often got stolen or broken, the software experience and design was subpart in functionality, and in the end the project, from it's inception, was just a couple of years or so away from the explosion in popularity for smartphones, tablets, and whatnot.
    Funding, which initially attracted lots of big players and names, soon ran dry.
    Commercial counterparts that tried to match the pricing scheme also came out few years later... netbooks, EEE PCs (tabletops), among others.
    Nowadays, with tablet and smartphone prices as they are, together with devboards and portable computers... it just doesn't make any sense anymore as a product category.

    And I feel that the entire philosophy of OLPCs suffers from a plague in thinking that is still here to this day: the overestimation of a market often envisioned by tech savvy people, of folks that "don't need a whole lot from a computer". Chromebooks, underpowered devices, Linux boxes, stick computers, plus a whole bunch of other stuff fits the same product category.

    You see, a whole ton of people think that there is this huge vast market of non-computer savvy people for which an underpowered device will do more than enough. I've never seen concrete numbers on this, but there is always some project somewhere of devices targeted for those.
    But more often than not, it's exactly these supposedly non-tech savvy consumers that will always have one specific but strong need for a computer that takes them away from this imaginary category. The market is way more complex than that. It's not only what they might use a computer for, it's the network of support, the learning rate, the environment the device is inserted on, niche needs, usability cases, accessory and peripheral compatibility, specific software, plus a whole bunch of other stuff that will really tell if a product will fit someone's needs or not.

    I'm saying this as someone who fell into the "it's enough" trap over and over again until I realized it was a waste of money. My mom is borderline computer illiterate. She uses it for work as a real estate agent, and for the longest time her needs were around e-mail checking, browsing, and typing Word stuff.
    So the EEE PC, older desktops and laptops of mine, tiny computers and others are actually on the list of stuff I tried getting from my mom. She currently has my older iPad 2, a Kangaroo PC, and she had several of my older smartphones until I got her an LG Stylus G4, which is now being replaced for a Xiaomi Mi A1 Android One edition.

    You see, I have realized that when you are thinking of hardware for people like her, you need to think about the needs on a micro and macro scale. Sometimes, not being tech savvy enough implies needing more hard