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AI Helps Grow 6 Billion Roaches at China's Largest Breeding Site (cnet.com)

With the help of AI, folks at a Chinese pharmaceutical company are breeding cockroaches by the billions every year, South China Morning Post reports. From a report: Their purpose: To make a "healing potion" that can cure respiratory, gastric and other diseases. The "potion," consumed by over 40 million people in China, is made by crushing the cockroaches once they reach a desired weight and size, according to the publication. There is a "slightly fishy smell" to the potion, which tastes "slightly sweet" and looks like tea, it added. Some insects are known to have potential health benefits. Besides China's cockroach potion, scientists are also exploring how milk-like protein crystals in roaches could be an excellent source of calories and nutrition. Chewing down on bugs like crickets and mealworms can also give us more protein, according to studies.

105 comments

  1. I thought it was just in one restuarant by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously, aren't cockroaches right up there in causes of asthma?

    And this is certainly a place I'd totally NOPE out of...

    1. Re:I thought it was just in one restuarant by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Not in liquid form, you drink them not snort them in a dry from.

      While under snake oil Territory in my book. I expects it has the same health befits as a protein shake, without the sugar. Giving some one who is ill (probably not eating much) a drink with protein and some other nutrients to help them get over the illness a little easier, and like many American Drugs, it has a strong smell which make you feel that it is working. Like eating hot peppers to clear your sinuses, or mint to make your teeth feel clean. Or why a lot of cough syrup has alcohol in it, because the vapors just penetrate your respiratory system so you feel like something is happening.

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    2. Re:I thought it was just in one restuarant by houghi · · Score: 1

      Calm down Indiana Jones. It is not THAT bad.

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    3. Re:I thought it was just in one restuarant by swb · · Score: 1

      I liked it better when they just added laudanum to everything to make it "work better".

    4. Re:I thought it was just in one restuarant by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      If someone is allergic enough to have a reaction from breathing the air in spaces cockroaches have occupied, then he will definitely have a reaction from eating them.

      I have a better solution for the real problem this propaganda hopes to fix: Maybe we should stop breeding so much. I'd rather have fewer people with a better quality of life than 10billion+ subsisting on insects.

    5. Re:I thought it was just in one restuarant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I expects it has the same health befits as a protein shake, without the sugar.

      Protein shake with a significant amount of sugar in it? Where can you even find that?
      Normal whey protein powder comes from cow milk, there's approx 12g lactose and 70g protein per 100g and a serving is ~30g so 3.6g sugar.
      Also, protein shakes are supposed to be a supplement if you didn't know, if you have a normal and varied diet and you are not a bodybuilder it is very likely that it will not have any significant benefits.

  2. Is there some real science behind it? by fazig · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The first part makes it sound like that traditional Chinese healing mysticism. Although insects are certainly a good source of protein and pretty efficient in converting plant matter into said proteins.
    Anyway, I suppose it's better than killing Tigers and other endangered species for their bone(r)s because some old guys can't get a proper erection any more.

    1. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why did you capitalize Tigers? Are you saying we should kill the Detroit Tigers? Are you saying we should kill the Detroit Tigers because they can't get a proper erection anymore?

    2. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      China science so good.
      West science is steal and second place.
      China AI lead world with tracking seditious citizen.
      China feed citizen roach as directed by AI.
      Optimal feeding. Optimal breeding.
      China so good.

    3. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, obviously.

    4. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by jbmartin6 · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is a lot of research into various aspects of cockroaches, such as their resistance to bacterial infection, but eating them probably isn't going to confer those sorts of benefits. The "potion" mentioned is Kangfu Xinye and gets a lot of press as snake oil, although people who swear by traditional Chinese medicine will deny that. The Journal of Emergency in Traditional Chinese Medicine has a lot of studies on it, I leave it to the reader to decide if these are valid studies or not.

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    5. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It must provide an all-around protection from the various apocalypses. As everybody knows, only roaches remain.

    6. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 0

      The first part makes it sound like that traditional Chinese healing mysticism.

      If it's an ancient Chinese medicine I would give it some credit (that's how we ended up with TA-65 from astragalus membranaceus afterall - nobody seriously believed they had a way to increase longevity with some root powder mixed in a tea or soup, but after reviewing the statistics of people taking it vs not they decided to pick it apart and found a bunch of similar compounds which when consumed together allowed them through the digestive tract intact which in turn activated telomerase in cells all across the body to lengthen telomeres - which turns out to be the only method we know of doing so in Humans.) Ancient medicines tend to have thousands of years of trial and error backing them, the record keeping is usually very suboptimal, but if people take it over thousands of years they can typically guess they aren't poisonous and if there are any substantial benefits or not. You have to keep in mind that ancient people had a LOT of spare time even while working (since ancient work was relatively lacking in intense thought or distraction) so their intuition around this stuff was much better developed. There may well be a compound in cockroaches which has the effects described.

      Ancient medicines and remedies have had a pretty strong track record when it comes to leading to modern drugs - ancient herbalists were about the most scientific people of their time. The issue is that modern herbalists use things like literal snake oil from the scammers in the 1700's/1800's just as often as the ancient remedies, or take extracts from the ancient remedies without knowing what they are actually extracting or if they are even getting the right thing in the extract or if they are getting too much/too little of whatever the active ingredient(s) are (usually herbal remedies are actually a combination of active ingredients either from having been a mixture of base materials or simply because a plant produced multiple things, which makes them particularly hard to actually isolate and determine what causes an effect when it exists.)

      TL;DR: ancient remedies usually work, hippies are the problem.

    7. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And regarding the nutrition of them, if I need to get protein and fats from non-meat sources, I'll stick with beans, soy, quinoa, peanuts, corn, oats, and nuts, thanks.

    8. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why did you capitalize Tigers? Are you saying we should kill the Detroit Tigers? Are you saying we should kill the Detroit Tigers because they can't get a proper erection anymore?

      If you care about yourself, you won't be anywhere near the third-world shithole that is Detroit (and all other places with a majority black population).

    9. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      right?? how sad must you be to decide hm I want to kill a rhino instead of, well, a) you are old DEAL WITH IT b) Viagra

    10. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "ancient remedies usually work"

      No they don't. This is the "appeal to ancient wisdom" logical fallacy.

    11. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      They sometimes work.

      This is how you get statin drugs from red rice yeast.

      We keep thinking we're smarter than our ancestors, but we aren't. We may have more information and knowledge, but they weren't stupid.

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    12. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      Well over 50% of modern drugs are extracts from plants used in ancient medicines across the world, almost all of which are from things used to treat exactly what the modern drug does.

    13. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 2

      Anyway, I suppose it's better than killing Tigers and other endangered species for their bone(r)s because some old guys can't get a proper erection any more.

      Using CRISPR technology, we should be able to grow billions of cockroaches with Rhino horns on their noses. That would solve the demand problem for dubious aphrodisiacs.

      However, students in university dormitories might not be able to deal with them, when they lay claim to the room.

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    14. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      Since this is all fake, why can't they just make a chemical that smells and tastes like the cockroach potion, obviating the need to raise cockroaches? Or call it "new and improved" flavor and just make it taste like an existing candy.

    15. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by fazig · · Score: 1

      Ancient remedies can work, sure, why not? But they don't necessarily have to.

      Let me use one extreme example like tobacco. Native Americans have been burning and inhaling the smoke for a very long time; they didn't even use any filters as far as I know. So there shouldn't be much wrong with smoking it, right? Well, not quite right in this case. While tobacco might be all natural and has been consumed for a long long time, we still discovered that it isn't as healthy as we initially thought and furthermore discovered that it can actually cause harm to someone's health.

      My general point being that these things can be scientifically investigated for a correlation and maybe even a cause and effect relationship with a more refined study. Here we can see that quite a bit of that ancient Chinese medicine can't be backed up by using the scientific method or are at least not replicable. And if you can't replicate the results with independent tests the 'science' is not worth its money.

    16. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      Racist prick. Granted, Detroit has its problems, but they were not caused by Black people, but by job loss, aided and abetted, deliberately, by unions as well as local, state and national governments. Like all U.S. cities there are large areas you should avoid if you can. The rest is just fine. The suburbs are for the most part just fine. The suburban and downtown job markets are surprisingly strong, and even the worst parts of town are gradually improving, many of them being repurposed as urban farms and other greenspace. The corruption sucks, but not drastically more so than in any other Demoncrat-led city. Lose your ignorant prejudices and get a life already.

    17. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      Aversion to bugs in general is culture, not shared across all cultures or parts of the world. But domestic cockroaches are scavengers and carriers of gross diseases, and aversion to cockroaches specifically, while also not universal, seems far more widespread. I'll agree I'd way rather eat plants though.

    18. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      GNC products (and general herbal supplements) are very popular in China. The difference is that it's scientifically produced and measured "snake oil"; but snake oil none the less.

      Glucosamine chondroitin and ginkgo biloba my ass.

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    19. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Anyway, I suppose it's better than killing Tigers and other endangered species for their bone(r)s because some old guys can't get a proper erection any more.

      Why do you libs have to make everything about President Trump?

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

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    20. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second that and I would like to add that I don't get this obsession from meat-eaters that any meat alternative has to be eating other living creatures.

    21. Re: Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So plants are not living creatures?

    22. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK then, I'll give you a fair shake.

      What majority-black area is a pleasant, low-crime place to live? Can you name just one?

      Did you know, blacks top the crime charts (especially violent crime) even in nations that never had a history of slavery or institutional racism. This has been well studied (of particular note: Section 2 details black crime in France, Switzerland [did not have slaves], Australia [same], London, and Canada). The results are the same everywhere.

      Do you have facts to dispute this? The thing you're not appreciating is that I don't *want* to feel this way about blacks. I want them to be productive nonviolent members of society, the same thing I want for whites and Asians. Reality doesn't care about what I want thing to be. The bottom line is, the safety of me and my family is more important than political correctness.

    23. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by fponias · · Score: 1

      correlation != causation

      Poverty also correlates to higher crime rates. I know plenty of majority white neighborhoods I won't step foot in because of the high crime rates. I certainly don't blame the sketchiness of those neighborhoods to the maybe 3 black people living in them.

    24. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing about snake oil is that it actually works if you believe it works. Just like how people believe pain killers and many medicines immediately make them feel better even though they all take a little bit of time to actually start working.

      In addition to that, these bugs may be cures other issues. If you're low on some nutrient these critters provide, then they in fact are a cure for you.

    25. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      correlation != causation

      Poverty also correlates to higher crime rates. I know plenty of majority white neighborhoods I won't step foot in because of the high crime rates. I certainly don't blame the sketchiness of those neighborhoods to the maybe 3 black people living in them.

      How does your personal anecdote dispute the findings of multiple governments around the world as cited in that link? Some of these governments never had a history of slavery or anything like Jim Crow. Yet blacks top the crime charts. Did you believe none of these nations have any poor white people? See I'm looking for facts here. What I'm getting is hand-waving because you know the facts are not on your side.

      Did you ever view the FBI crime stats? In the USA alone black men are 6-7% of the population yet they perpretrated about 52% of all solved murder cases (mostly other black men). That's just astonishing considering how many poor white men there are in the USA. A white man is 12 times more likely to be shot by a black man, than the other way around. White racism against black people does not explain this. That blacks might be inherently more violent, now that does.

      The problem with the politically correct explanations is that they don't hold up to critical examination. If this were physics, computation, chemistry, or any other subject, you'd never accept such a flimsy explanation.

    26. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by mspohr · · Score: 1

      I have often wondered why people on a Paleo diet don't eat more bugs. Insects of all kinds were a large part of the diet of true Paleos and even today, many cultures have bugs as part of their diet. They are high in protein and readily available.
      I'd like to see today's Paleos start eating this healthy diet rather than all of the industrially farmed meat.

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    27. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by mikael · · Score: 2

      I've always wondered whether these "old wives tales" weren't some kind of massively parallelized genetic algorithm. Every person tries something random. These are then compared against their neighbors. Results that are successful or partially successful are reported to neighbors. Results that have no success are discarded.
      Some methods back then were using cobwebs and mildew to pack deep wounds.

      A current day example would be whether applying honey to an open wound like a burn improves healing or not.

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    28. Re: Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best thing to do is avoid n1ggers in groups.

      They are just trouble wherever they go.

    29. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I think you pulled that number out of your ass.

      But leaving that aside, rhino horn is chemically indistinguishable from nail clippings. And yet certain people believe it cures everything from cancer through impotence to being cleft asunder with a halberd.

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    30. Re: Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best thing to do is avoid n1ggers in groups.

      They are just trouble wherever they go.

      This is a simple (Occam's Razor) concise explanation that readily explains the available facts. The mental gymnastics performed by PC types to attempt (and fail) to deny reality is just astounding. See, they make the basic mistake of forming a conclusion first and then trying to force-fit the facts into that conclusion. This is not reasoning. It's emotion. The correct procedure is to examine the facts and draw a conclusion. That conclusion is: if you care about your quality of life, your prosperity, and not becoming the victim of a crime, you will avoid areas with large black populations.

    31. Re: Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best thing to do is avoid n1ggers in groups.

      They are just trouble wherever they go.

      The other best thing is for white people to stop pretending that they don't see what they plainly see, and start being honest about this. Whites are becoming second-class citizens in a nation built by whites and made great by whites. To tolerate this is to invite their own downfall.

      Worldwide, white people are about a 14% minority. So how is it exactly that only white nations "need" diversity? How is it that an all-white or majority-white institution, workplace, or campus needs diversity, but a majority black one does not? I thought diversity was diversity.

      If blacks are equal to whites then they are equally capable of self-government. So why is Haiti such a terrible place to live? It was prosperous when the blacks intercepted a shipment of weapons and took it over from the French (by slaughtering every last white man, woman, and child). Why is just over half of Africa's wealth derived from foreign (white) aid? You couldn't ask for a land richer in natural resources than Africa. Whether that's fossil fuels, gold, diamonds, timber, uranium, cobalt and other minerals, arable land, you name it, Africa has lots of it. Why are the African nations so poor and so well known for starvation? This includes nations like Nigeria, that actually profited from slavery because the (black) natives captured blacks from other regions and sold them into slavery.

      I bet most PC types never researched the history. They really don't know what they're talking about. They cling to what amounts to a faith-based belief because they think it makes them ethically superior. The problem is, by denying the problems with black people, no effort gets made to solve those problems (for example, why do such a small minority of American black men decide to father their own children?). They think that makes them a friend to the blacks? Helping them live in denial? Wow. It's incredibly pathological.

    32. Re: Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Guess it depends on how you define "creature."

    33. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aversion to bugs in general is culture, not shared across all cultures or parts of the world. But domestic cockroaches are scavengers and carriers of gross diseases, and aversion to cockroaches specifically, while also not universal, seems far more widespread. I'll agree I'd way rather eat plants though.

      Yeah, but while possibly ineffective, bred cockroaches presumably live, grow and get squashed in clean environments, so they're probably not carriers of any disease that you wouldn't find in bread.

      I'd still wouldn't drink cockroach juice. I probably shouldn't have read the article either... some things can't be unread.

    34. Re: Is there some real science behind it? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      In my experience, cultures that have been stable longer have better traditional cures than cultures that haven't. Some cultures will give you a stomach cure that makes you worse.

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    35. Re:Is there some real science behind it? by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      I think you pulled that number out of your ass.

      Then do some research, you outspoken moron.

    36. Re: Is there some real science behind it? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      The thing about snake oil is that it actually works if you believe it works.

      No, it doesn't, any more than a perpetual motion machine works if you believe it works. You can convince yourself that it works. You can be very happy that you bought and congratulate yourself because "it works for you". But at the end of the day no amount of self delusion is going to change the fact that it objectively doesn't work.

    37. Re: Is there some real science behind it? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      I researched it and now I'm certain that you pulled it out of your ass. The actual number is 0.00375%.

    38. Re: Is there some real science behind it? by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      That's not even close to accurate.

    39. Re: Is there some real science behind it? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      It's 100% accurate. Do some research you outspoken moron.

    40. Re: Is there some real science behind it? by NicknameUnavailable · · Score: 1

      The 2-year-old form of argument, nice.

  3. On 420 Day, really? by Virtucon · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's not that kind of roach!?!?

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  4. Beetle Juice by decipher_saint · · Score: 4, Funny

    beetle juice
    beetle juice

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    1. Re:Beetle Juice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically, beetles are in the order Coleoptera and cockroaches are in the order Blattodea, along with termites. Beetles are the largest of all the insect orders.

    2. Re:Beetle Juice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Technically, I don't think Beetle Juice was in order Blattodea either.

    3. Re:Beetle Juice by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

      You bunch of losers! Your looking at a real professional here!
      Nice. Fuck'en. Model.
      Honk!
      Honk!

    4. Re:Beetle Juice by EnsilZah · · Score: 1

      You'd be in a lot of trouble if he wasn't case-sensitive.

  5. mmmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    soylent roach.

    Soon at a wal-mart near you.

  6. What are the medicinal properties of cockroaches by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and where can I download the empirical data of the double blind studies?

  7. Wow thanks AI! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Thank GOD for AI, how on earth could roaches breed without sophisticated algorithms?

    Now if only we could fix the brains of the Chinese who seem to think crushing up bits of other animals bodies (the more endangered, the better) has some kind of pharmacological effect.

    1. Re: Wow thanks AI! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mix it with some homeopathy and maybe they'll kill fewer animals. Gotta increase that potency!

    2. Re:Wow thanks AI! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know, but my building must be effing SMART!

  8. And the DNC adds another 6B members by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    "AI Helps Grow 6 Billion Roaches at China's Largest Breeding Site"

    Is it a mere coincidence that at the exact same time the US Democratic Party claims 6 Billion new members???

    I... think... not...

    1. Re: And the DNC adds another 6B members by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's ok, Donald Trump dropped a massive turd after going to PF Chang's and now the GOP has a new leader for the House.

      He promises to bring a new, more redolent approach to governance. Including increasing the chocolate ration to 25 grams and continuing our war with East Asia.

    2. Re:And the DNC adds another 6B members by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      I think you just insulted 6 billion cockroaches.

  9. This is how little China cares for human beings by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They make them eat cockroaches instead of actual food. What's next, China? Soylent Green?

  10. not impressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what is possible needed from an AI for cockroaches to grow. Just get a big room and throw some scraps in there once in a while and dont clean it.... you'll ahve tons of roaches super easy.

    1. Re:not impressed by SunTzuWarmaster · · Score: 1

      Yea - plants need a very specific environment to grow. Tailoring the water level, light level, light cycle, nutrients, etc. can have a pretty dramatic effect on overall growth (more carrots, quicker!).

      Roaches? Pretty sure that "a pile of roach food" is good enough.

      The article indicates that it takes "humidity, temperature, food supply and consumption" into account and makes changes. Okay, sure... I guess that's a research study (do roaches grow faster in low/high humidity environments?), but I can't imagine that it will have meaningful effect.

  11. story by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    It's the story with everything; "AI" and grossness!

    1. Re:story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There you are spamming amazon and youtube affiliate links with yet another fake account, you revenue stream hogging disgusting fat sexist tube of lard, Christopher Dale Reimer!

      You can be sure I will be watching this fake account too. I know this is you because you told me you were working on your freepass 11 file server and you are so dumb that you can't even masquerade yourself properly.

      Now, I told you I was out of meds last week and you didn't even care to contact me you lazy fucker.

      How many times do I have to express the emergency of the situation??????

      The python click script you wrote for my pheromone revenue stream web site suddenly stopped to work!!!!!!

      You fucking incompetent python script writer!!!

      When it works, I get 4000+ clicks a day on my pheromone revenue stream web site but only 5 or 6 without it!!!!

      Now, it seems like you dont care and that you have abandoned me you heartless fucking pig!

      Bonus:
      Here is a story that creimer told me when convincing me what a hard life he had:

      The tree was him and the tree knot was his butt hole!

      So, his uncle packed his fat ass with lard and with his cock! Not that it makes much of a difference but anyway, there it is!

      Signed:
      Ethell, The girl that used to love you and now hates you, burn in hell where you belong you sexist pig!

    2. Re:story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder how many insects creimer can raise under his dewlap?

    3. Re:story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not good, either. It's 1.4% of the way towards making a small amount of money.

  12. No proof = proof by sjbe · · Score: 3, Funny

    and where can I download the empirical data of the double blind studies?

    That's the beauty of traditional Chinese "medicine". It only works if you don't try to check to see if it actually works.

    1. Re:No proof = proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's the beauty of traditional Chinese "medicine". It only works if you don't try to check to see if it actually works.

      Which is also true of the bullshit homeopaths push ... like this idiot:

      A bite from an animal, with or without rabies vaccination, has the potential to imprint an altered state in the person who was bitten, in some ways similar to a rabies infection. This can include over-excitability, difficulties sleeping, aggression, and various fears, especially of dogs or wolves. This child presented a perfect picture of this type of rabies state. Most homeopaths would have easily recognized the remedy required in this case.

      At least traditional Chinese medicine has at least some track record for a few things which actually work.

      Homeopathy is just gibberish. And either the scary scenario exists in which homeopaths believe the saliva from a rabid dog will cure behavioural problems in children ... or they all know they're bullshit artists.

      Honestly, if you make a medical claim, you better have some fucking proof. I still have no idea how homeopaths haven't been arrested for making misleading claims about the curative power of nothing.

    2. Re:No proof = proof by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      That's the beauty of traditional Chinese "medicine". It only works if you don't try to check to see if it actually works.

      What do you call alternative medicine that works? Medicine. If it can pass double blind studies it'll be accepted as medicine and no longer be alternative, nor labeled as ancient Chinese.

    3. Re:No proof = proof by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      Funny how "Western" medicine is also increasingly shown to not be reproducible.

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    4. Re:No proof = proof by sjbe · · Score: 1

      Funny how "Western" medicine is also increasingly shown to not be reproducible.

      Only to morons (like you!) who run away screaming with their fingers in their ears when they hear the word "evidence" and who want to believe that there is something more to eastern "medicine" than a good story. Or did you think all those diseases were cured by modern medicine with ginseng tea and acupuncture?

    5. Re:No proof = proof by The+Evil+Atheist · · Score: 1

      Funny how you just assumed you know what my stance on Chinese medicine is.

      Apparently, according to you, people are simply not allowed to criticize Western medicine. Not even when it is Western science journals themsevles highlighting the dearth of reproducible clinical evidence for many Western medicines, like vitamin and mineral supplements, to cancer treatments, to diet that gets overturned every few years.

      If you think Western medicine is flawless, I have a bridge in Florida to sell you. Dickhead.

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  13. Help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never would have thought the roaches needed help in increasing their numbers?

  14. You show me that it works by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    and how it works and when I've recovered from the shock, I'll write 'Fancy That' on the side of my ****.

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  15. All the best communists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are roaches.

  16. Beats rhino! by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

    Sounds absolutely disgusting but I guess it beats rhino and tiger.

  17. Homeopathy = quackery = fraud by sjbe · · Score: 1

    Honestly, if you make a medical claim, you better have some fucking proof. I still have no idea how homeopaths haven't been arrested for making misleading claims about the curative power of nothing.

    I've wondered that exact thing myself. Homeopathy is nothing more than fraud. It is quackery in its most transparent form.

    At least traditional Chinese medicine has at least some track record for a few things which actually work.

    Not much but I'll grant a few herbs and the like. I'm still not convinced acupuncture is better than placebo and there is no explanation of a mechanism of action.

    1. Re:Homeopathy = quackery = fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First let me say that the best treatment of homeopathy I've ever seen is from Edgar Allen Poe (I believe the story title is "Bet the Devil Your Head" and its a throw away at the end).

      However, you appear to be labeling anything designated as "homeopathic" as fraud which would be a mistake. The "science" of homeopathy is complete and utter bullshit, but ultimately it relies on herbal remedies and those can be efficacious as others have noted. The most consistent problem with "working" herbal remedies are concentration and consistency of dosage but they absolutely can work. It all depends on the specifics of the situation (the plant and what is to be treated).

      In a general sense it is like chiropractic: adjustments *can* be not only beneficial but vital to recovery from certain injuries but the "science" of chiropractic is complete and utter bullshit. Its a pity that many doctors of osteopathy never practice any of what they learn and instead act just like any general practitioner.

    2. Re:Homeopathy = quackery = fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem is that the dosage prescribed by Homeopathy is too low to have any effect.

      The core methodology of Homeopathy is to find something that will cause effects similar to what you want to cure or prevent, mix THAT into a solution then dilute it to a correct dosage (using a specific pattern of shaking). While that superficially resembles vaccination the important difference is that vaccinations focus on provoking a known response (antigen production) and that response is the goal, not the similarity of the stimulus that provokes it or the symtoms of provoking it to the virus you want to prevent, whereas homeopathy focuses on superficially similar symptoms entirely (for example cyanide might be used to extend life because it causes death).

      It also doesn't take a genius to see why things went off the rails and the more diluted remedies are considered better. When your active ingredient is poison the ones that don't make things worse are the ones that don't contain any of it.

      Once you discard the "like cures like" bit and start mixing solutions based on something otehr than matching symptoms, and mix a solution with measurable concentration of your active ingredient, you are either banking on the way you shake the bottle to make a difference in the curative property, or you are not practicing Homeopathy as none of the theire behind Homeopathy is informing your methods.

  18. I guess the old saying is correct. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Communist Cockroaches, the whole lot of 'em!

  19. This again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever elitists decided this would be fun, stop. Just pay up already. You lost the bet. You can only manipulate people through the media so much. You can't actually make us eat bugs.

  20. Snowpiercer? by mpercy · · Score: 1

    Didn't they feed all the lower-class, back of the train folks ground-up bug protein bars?

  21. Actual reasons for peppers and alcohol. by DrYak · · Score: 2

    you might think it's snake oil, but there are reasons for the "American Drugs" examples you give.

    - Regarding peppers:
    These will increase the secretion of the mucosae (i.e.: they'll cause your eye to produce more tear and will get your nose more runny. all this additional water you'll produce wil basically help washing your nose/sinuses)
    (most of the traditional cures for upper respiratory tract infections work the same way)
    several nasal spray work the same way but more directly (saline water to help wash out the nose).
    (the remaining types of sprays tend to also pack in addition a vaso-constricting agents)

    - regarding alcohol in cough syrup :
    some substance are better dissolved in an alcohol solution than in pure water. Out of the top of my head: codeine doesn't like cold water, if i remember correctly. that's a common antitussive - suppressor of the cough reflex (a class of deug useful in case of dry cough - irritation causing you to cough even if there's nothing to expel).
    (wether the active molecules dissolved in the alcohol will actually help you is another question altogether. but alcohol is a key component for the syrup to actually be a syrup and not some undissolved powder at the bottom of a water bottle)

    - artificially bitter taste of drugs: yes, in some circumstances, some active molecules which taste sweet might end up in preparation made bitter-tasting on purpose. usually the reason is to diminish the risk of it being accidentally ingested by children or pets.
    so no, the purpose is not (only) to make you think it's a drug by making it taste like a drug, but to avoid making it taste too close to candy and have a children OD on it.

    so there are actual non marketing uses for the above

    (but yes, mint in toothpaste has no other purposes than making you feel fresh).

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  22. The New Chicken Soup! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cream of Cockroach. Good for what ails you.

  23. Yes homeopathy is fraud by sjbe · · Score: 1

    However, you appear to be labeling anything designated as "homeopathic" as fraud which would be a mistake.

    It's not a mistake. Homeopathy absolutely is fraud and provably has zero medicinal impact greater than placebo. We don't allow people to sell placebos and claim they are medicine so I don't understand why we allow homeopathy quacks to do the same.

    The "science" of homeopathy is complete and utter bullshit, but ultimately it relies on herbal remedies and those can be efficacious as others have noted.

    The only thing homeopathy relies upon is the gullibility of the person purchasing/using it. There is no measurable or therapeutic amount of any remedy of any kind (herbal or otherwise) in homeopathic "remedies". There is no mechanism of action that is based in any biochemistry known to man. Anyone selling homeopathy is a criminal. I don't even care if they really believe it works. They are selling people false hope and making a handsome profit doing so.

  24. Oh hell no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am a random consumer, and I am not OK with this. Cockroaches should not be bred as a food replacement, they should be exterminated to make room in the biosphere for a actual food animal. Key word there is animal, not insect. Fish and fowls will do as well. Have they tried breeding lobsters, or are they committed/tunnel-visioned to carelessly exporting ground-up filth to countries they don't like?

  25. Who are these people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who are these people always try to make whole humanity start eating insects and worms etc?
    I don't remember how many similar "news" like this I saw for how many years.
    Are these people themselves keep eating insects and worms?

  26. I'm confused by fponias · · Score: 1

    Why are algorithms now being referred to as AI? It's very tiresome correcting the misinformed.

  27. Impersonating me yet again? Enjoy a downmod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject you UNIDENTIFIABLE punk & how DUMB you are on hosts vs. addons https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12003589&cid=56472075/ lol!

    CLUE: That's how/why hosts files are faster & start LONG BEFORE redundant, crippled by default, LIMITED IN ABILITY vs. hosts & overhead ridden inefficient addons!

    * Still "butthurt" over that MASSIVE FUCKUP of yours? Yes.

    (No 'small wonder' you HIDE behind UNIDENTIFIABLE anonymous posts - I've quite obviously BLOWN YOU AWAY so many times in addition to links I post here now from this week alone, you HAVE to hide vs. using your "registered 'luser'" FAKE NAME for your FAKE LIFE account!)

    * Lastly, though I am SURE it disappoints you projecting as you are? I am not gay.

    APK

    P.S.=> Your other lie about me was disproved here https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12003589&cid=56465701/ - Don't "F" w/ your betters (me)... apk

  28. Can't they just use roaches for all sicknesses? by volodymyrbiryuk · · Score: 1

    So they can stop exterminating african wildlife for thier tarditional 'medicine'.

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  29. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nonononono. That is all.

  30. Al? Who is this guy? by jsrjsr · · Score: 1

    And why is everybody talking about him?

  31. No it doesn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ignorance is not a defense.

    Plants are living creatures.
    E.g. Eucalyptus trees have a communication system for immune information, using messenger chemicals, transmittes through the air, so they can become immune to a disease before it even gets to them. So they are even *social* creatures!

    And what about carnivorous plants anyway? Vegetards always like to ignore them like they ignore the lion, or the fact that plants, as in, life that lives off the sun, is a rather new invention, and before that it was either hydrothermal vents or eating other life.

  32. Yes, it actually does. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Psychosomatic reactiona are a fascinating beast.

    Most diseases are due to the body itself acting badly due to some outside influence. Esp. pain is just a signal sent by your body to your body.
    And just like it can do that, it can do somethig else. The trick is to know how to make it do something else, instead of putting the results of that something else in your body as a substitute.

    Sure, you can inject drugs into your body,numbing your

  33. Fancy bottled water by sjbe · · Score: 1

    The problem is that the dosage prescribed by Homeopathy is too low to have any effect.

    No the "dosage" in homeopathic "cures" is literally indistinguishable from zero. Worse they make some ludicrous claims about water having "memory" which you have to be a weapons grade moron to actually believe.

    The core methodology of Homeopathy is to find something that will cause effects similar to what you want to cure or prevent

    That is the cover story. The core methodology is to lie to people and convince them that they are buying something that is somehow more than overpriced bottled water.

  34. Roach Milk? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If that recent research into a specific type of roach that lactates, which outputs a kind of super-protein milk, were actually applied here, this would have been interesting.

    Not sure how you can directly milk roaches industrially though, which is why the researchers were interested in producing it via GM bacteria.