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Two Koreas Agree To End War This Year, Pursue Denuclearization (bloomberg.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and South Korean President Moon Jae-in agreed Friday to finally end a seven-decade war this year, and pursue the "complete denuclearization" of the Korean Peninsula. Kim and Moon embraced after signing the deal during a historic meeting on their militarized border, the first time a North Korean leader set foot on the southern side. They announced plans to replace the 1953 armistice that ended hostilities with a peace treaty by year's end. Their statement on a "common goal of realizing, through complete denuclearization, a nuclear-free Korean Peninsula," stopped short of the "complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization" long sought by the U.S. and its allies. The statement didn't elaborate on what the term meant and Kim didn't personally utter the word during remarks Friday. "We have agreed to share a firm determination to open a new era in which all Korean people enjoy prosperity and happiness on a peaceful land without war," Kim told reporters, without taking questions. President Trump hailed the move, declaring "KOREAN WAR TO END!" on Twitter. He has agreed to meet with Kim at a time and place yet to be determined.
If Obama can get one for doing nothing... this should be a slam dunk.
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But is there a way of accusing Trump of doing something wrong here? If you haven't been able to link Trump to this, and blame him for something, you aren't resisting!
It'll be interesting to see how they negotiate the removal of US forces from South Korea. The US has its biggest bases and airfields in all of Asia over there, and I can't imagine removing them is going to sit well with the Pentagon.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Kim has made a lot of commitments, none of them worth the paper they were printed on. I'll believe it when the inspectors believe it.
Lemme know when the war is actually over and NK has no more nukes. We've been down this road to many times before. No reason to not keep trying but even less reason to get excited yet.
I'm surprised nobody produced a fakeface porn movie short of Putin humping Trump. It seems Korean innovation romps home again ahead with Kim and Moon snogging for the cameras for real. Trump is obviously feeling left out and according to the latest reports wants in on the action. Will Kim and Moon Thwart him? Will Trump be left holding his own dick? Is the news just a pretext for Putin getting a desperate Trump on his knees again?
I'm still confused how this even happened. Is Trump such a dick that North Korea wants to be the good guys again because they're afraid for their safety? What is the state media narrative in North Korea right now?
So Hawkeye can finally go home to his wife? Damn, that will bum him out.
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we've acknowledged him as the legitimate ruler of North Korea. That's what this was about. As soon as Trump said he'd meet with Kim, Kim won. He doesn't need the nukes any more. He's still got enough firepower to flatten South Korea, so he's still got his hostage situation. The nukes were just a trick to get us to the table and to get us to legitimize his reign. Worked too.
On the one hand I should be upset we're giving approval to yet another dictatorship. On the other hand NK is hardly the first and Trump just got outmaneuvered and lost his shot at an Iraq style war. On the other other hand there's still Iran, and they don't have a hostage to protect them.
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for promising to do this...
US has been in conflict with North Korea beginning 1866 with the current Korean War de jure dating back from present to 1950. A decade would be about right to de-escalate, de-nuclear, disentangle the peninsula from the source of conflicts that remain.
And finally pushed people to take action on taking away the flow of luxury goods to 'the great leader' and his cabal.
Since prior to that, their life of luxury has been untouchable, why why WOULD they want anything to change?
The old approach was to do things that in effect punished the general population, but never EVER touch those in control,
after all they are the ruling elite, and you just cannot do anything to THEM, think of the children!
So ronery, so ronery.
People are really over-reacting to this - on both sides. It's certainly better news than if the two presidents had walked away from the table shouting "LOCK AND LOAD!" - but, right now, it's just words, and there have been plenty of words before.
Moon isn't an idiot - he's well aware he's got 25 million of his people living in and around a city that's only 35 miles from North Korea. He hasn't committed to much of anything... nor has Kim. "Ending" a war which has effectively been over for 70 years is a symbolic gesture, but little more than that.
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As long as he can blast Seoul into rubble (and he can) I just don't see him needing them. He's got plenty of deterrent right there. It's not like the Israelis who, thanks to anti-Semites and their deeply rooted hate (boarding on psychosis), have to worry about nut cases rolling in to exterminate them and just not caring about conventional weaponry. The NK/SK dynamic has always been a hostage situation. It's odd that the media never really talks about it. Then again like I said we're shopping around for our next big war. Looks like NK is out of the running. Syria & Iran are next up.
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any more than we pulled out of Japan. NK is still a military threat to SK anyway. And why would SK spend money on defense when we're doing it for them?
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what triggered this is folks think Trump and his Cabinet are crazy enough to actually go to war and let NK make good on their threat to flatten Seoul.
I still don't like this outcome. We've not acknowledged Kim Jun Un's regime as legitimate. At least legally (and practically, since there's plenty of folks who don't follow politics enough to know NK's a monarchy and not a Democracy).
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Having trouble trying to imagine the technology-based link of this article. How SNS run amok allows super-liars to take over countries and cling to power? Doesn't seem to apply very well to North Korea, especially back when Kim's grandfather became dictator.
Big picture context: China does NOT want a strong and unified Korea. That could be quite troublesome. China would probably prefer an extremely weak and unified Korea, but if they can't get that, then the current divided mess is acceptable. There isn't going to be any REAL peace in Korea unless China approves. I actually thought the Chinese were going to make a deal of taking Taiwan in exchange for giving up North Korea...
I think that right now Kim Jong-Un is just teeing Trump up for a YUGE kick. Kim is NOT going to retire to a dacha, no matter what Putin promises, and he knows it. Kim is just pretending to be the reasonable dictator. Case 1: He's going to trust Trump to tell the truth? Case 2: He's trusting Trump to phuck it up and give him a YUGE enemy? Dictators LOVE enemies, and the more incompetent the better. Actually Trump already teed himself up. By threatening to walk out to "win", Trump has defined a game of reverse chicken. Whoever walks out first "wins". If they ever meet, I'm betting Kim walks out first.
If anyone is actually pulling Kim's strings, it must be Putin. The punchline there is that Putin is making money on every side. By controlling the timing, he can make money betting on every side. No one actually knows where his money is hidden, but he can even sell his own companies short when he triggers stuff that looks bad for them, then bet on the other side when he flips the switch.
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, and holds onto it despite continuing and expanding many of Bush's policies and wars while in office..
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The last thing they want to see is a unified Korea that no longer need US military "protection", not to mention the close to billions of dollars they get from the South Korean government.
You can feel how much the invisible is influencing the world these days. It is nice that everybody finally agreed to get out of this mess and move onto something more joyful. Thanks.
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the fact that NK has to take a break from Nuclear tests since they literally nuked their Nuclear test site into oblivion.
The thing to remember is that NK cares about the survival of the regime above all else. Kim Jong Un has no intention of denuclearization or re-unification.
I suspect his end game is Nukes, a mostly closed border, no US army on his doorstep, and no one trying to orchestrate regime change.
If the US, South Korea, and China are happy with that the war can probably end.
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IF (and it's a big if) this pans out you definitely deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Once South Korea is toothless, China will invade. You read it here first.
what triggered this is folks think Trump and his Cabinet are crazy enough to actually go to war and let NK make good on their threat to flatten Seoul.
No! What really triggered this is folks think Trump is literally Hitler!
(Gotta love the gymnastics people are attempting, just to put Trump in a bad light here.)
The reality is that he probably doesn't even care about the Nobel prize - he probably viewed North Korea as another problem to fix, and went and fixed it. Next up: Iran.
My take, after watching his actions over the past couple of years, is that he doesn't actually care what people think or say about him.
So please tell us how he's flinging poo everywhere, has no plan and doesn't think and doesn't read and is stupid and immature and is literally Hitler...
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and by modern I mean the last 50 years. Remember, it's 2018. Even if his stuff is 50 years old we're talking the 70s. And he's been blowing off his populaces well being for weapons this entire time. I'm guessing he's got plenty of OK stuff from the Soviets.
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we think he's a proto-Hitler. He's not competent enough (or brutal enough) to be the next Hitler. What we're afraid of is that he's eroding the institutions that are supposed to stop the next (real) fascist. He's also probably going to tank the economy (between the Walstreet deregulation, massive debt for tax cuts and general graft and incompetence). And nothing helps a fascist rise to power better than an economic crash.
I know this all seems like hyperbole, but I also know that, as a historic fact, folks said the same thing back when Hitler came to power. Patter recognition. We humans can do it if we try...
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It's the South Korean President who gets the game ball here. Trump will certainly try to take credit for it, as he should and as any past President would have, but caring about that is viewing everything through a US-centric lens. It's fantastic news. What happened is the new South Korean President is a lefty peacenik by Korean standards and the north now has the bomb, their test facility caved in, they have radiation problems and Kim would rather be a super-celeb on the world stage dating Korean pop stars and partying with Denis Rodman, Trump, I dunno Britney Spears and a bunch of strippers.
Just wait until he gets a load of quality western cocaine!
Pretty sure that they found a ginger cow in a field. This is the end times.
No change has occurred: NK hasn't given up anything and the USA hasn't either.
This is all a setup for a preemptive tactical nuclear strike on NK's conventional arms north of Seoul and on known nuclear and military sites. After that, the USA will do cleanup (no invasion, only search-and-destroy missions on suspected WMD storage sites) until it is believed nothing dangerous remains.
NK will be handed off to the Chinese to run, SK will remain a free and separate democracy.
Next stop, Iran.
If he's so incompetent, why does he keep beating you?
Enjoy the cognitive dissonance. "Though this be madness, yet there be method in it," as the Bard said.
He's not stupid. He's not incompetent. You're the one who is out of the loop here. The rest of us actually saw him winning it and realized he would ahead of time when you guys were utterly shocked that he won and frantically trying to figure it out.
Imagine being this bitter and out of touch.
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Indeed under obama the same thing happened at least twice:NK pissed about looking dangerous,got told to stop, asked for some help and they would then stop, got the help and stopped.
And given this is what's happening this time too, in what way is this any different from the "terrible deal with iran" that drumpf continues to whine about? He was here at the time.That's all.
It's that simple.
Especially if you're enemy no1 and show that you're ready to use them.
I'm looking at you, Ukraine.
Or you think Putin would've pulled off his little stunt if the Ukraine were still armed with ICBMs?
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He's lost billions. Dumping his cash in a index linked fund would have made more money. And he still hasn't got billions anyway,maybe never did.
A totalitarian slave state is not likely going to give up its survival means. More likely a ruse to lift sanctions that will then falter. Of course need to play along on the remote chance progress might occur but should hedge that outcome. E.g Seoul residents should migrate further away from border.
That's pretty ironic, if only in an Alanis Morissette kinda way.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Imagine being so bitter that you can't refute anything either. What a sad life.
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You mean just like the US, as a country, where it is common for a new president to go back on things promised by the previous president? Did you forget TPP already?
That's not including the flip-flop by the same president, which also aren't rare.
It's about fucking time! MASH has been off air since 1983,
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I have a Korean family. It's the new president in South Korea that has much more to do with this than trump. You may recall the previous president was imeached in an influence scandal after months of high profile protests. There was a hard swing left as an example. President moon is of a generation and type that really want and fight for peace. The last left wing president also made huge strides towards peace (, before bush stuffed it up.
That might work when you're playing with conventional weapons, which could take years and cost millions of lives.
However it could also cause one side to think they're in a "use 'em or lose 'em" situation and overreact leading to a really futile and stupid gesture on somebody's part.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Same old, same old. If anyone thinks this is anything but a gambit from Kim, they need to spend a few decades in North Korea. For some reason, Kim currently needs to buy time. It might be because one of his test sites collapsed and they might need a couple years to start up again.
This isn't about Trump, and it isn't about the anonymous great leader of S. Korea; it's about Kim and no one else. In the end the pusillanimous Europeans will push the US to give something up in exchange for "peace" with N. Korea, and then a few years later, we will find that Kim was cheating all along. Joke's on us. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 14 times, we are idiots.
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No. This is about the fact that Americans killed three million Koreans in an illegal war, flattening every city in the north. Americans may have let that one slip down the memory hole but they haven't - along with the dozens of democracies the CIA has overthrown since the 50's. There's also the annual practice invasions the U.S. has been running every year since the Clinton Administration. Which means every year NK has to mobilize a million people in case this time it's for real. During planting season - and then you use the resulting food shortages to complain about those craaaazy North Koreans some more.
This is about North Korea wanting to get off the Regime Change list, and it's nuclear weapons are Regime Change Insurance. Nothing more, nothing less. North Korea has tried negotiating with each new administration but are blown off teach time.
Come again? A top Republican outright said attacking North Korea would be totally worth it and those hundreds of thousands of South Koreans (at least) would just be collateral damage. Democrats DGAF about civilian casualties, either - Obama was happy to send drones after children and the Clinton Administration let half a million Iraqi kids die from sanctions.
And then there's John Bolton, who's such a warmonger 'he makes Dick Cheney look like Noam Chomsky'. And Trump just named him his top advisor on warmongering. So if you were in North Korea facing that kind of history, and these kinds of war criminals, would you be so carefree in giving up your deterrence?
All that belligerence delayed the collapse of the USSR as aggressive foreign threats only inspire patriotism among the people. Same reason Ahmadinejad enjoyed popular support he wouldn't have had with constant American threats to bomb Iran for a nuclear weapons program that Bush and then Obama knew full well Iran didn't have.
FTFY.
1) The U.S. killed three million Koreans in an illegal war in the 50's
2) The U.S. flattened every city in North Korea in said illegal war
3) The U.S. has been practicing invasions of North Korea every year since the 90's
North Korea's nuclear weapons are regime change insurance against your imperial warmongering. In some small back corner of your mind even you know you're full of shit here - compare the number of countries attacked by North Korea since the 50's (one, South Korea in tit for tat exchanges of artillery) to the number of countries the U.S. has bombed in just this century.
You just justified Kim acting (as portrayed in western media) as a crazy hothead willing to nuke Japan.
Russia didn't invade shit, propagandist. Russia had an existing base in Crimea - if moving troops through there is an "invasion" then your dumb ass invades 30 locations in Germany alone each year.
It was the United States that overthrew the elected government of Ukraine, you nazi POS. Do try and explain why it was totally legit for the U.S. to spend five billion to 'bring Ukraine the future it deserves' but totally illigit for Russia to accept Crimeas vote to succeed from the junta.
Thank for saving me having to write the exact same thing. It seems that there's two camps, those that follow what's REALLY going on.. which takes (heaven forbid!) some actual effort, or the MSM / "Newsmax" crowd, who gladly swallow the pablum spoonfed them...
THX for not being the latter!
Don't lose your head komrade you will blow your cover. Here have a vodka and stare at a picture of shirtless Putin hugging a bear... there there...see how you start feeling all warm and fuzzy inside?
so yeah, populism works to get fascists in power. Preaching doesn't mean doing. Looks at Jim Baker and Clefary Dollar. It's easy to fool desperate people because, Hey, what Have You Got to Lose? Now, who else do we know who used that line...
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Come on little coward, it's not that hard. Why don't you tell everyone which parts are fake, besides that all being public record.
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too bad I don't have mod points. Really good points I wish I remembered to make.
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So if you're so scared of competing opinions and fact, why even bother posting here? Or is your echo chamber so important to you that you think it should apply to everyone.
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