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China is Now Monitoring Employees' Brainwaves and Emotions (fastcompany.com)

From a report: The Orwellian-as-all-get-out practice is being conducted using "emotional surveillance technology" by both businesses in China and the country's military, reports the South China Morning Post. The tech uses small wireless sensors embedded in employees' hats that can monitor brainwaves. That brainwave data is then analyzed by AI to tell when an employee is tired, anxious, or even full of rage. One company using the brain-monitoring tech says profits have increased by $315 million since rolling it out way back in 2014. Other uses of the tech include monitoring drivers of trains to tell if they've fallen asleep or are at risk of doing so. It's important to note the technology cannot read people's thoughts.

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  1. Phrenology at a different level by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We barely understand how emotions work and now we want to monitor emotions in people who have every reason to hide them?

    Good luck...

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    1. Re:Phrenology at a different level by charliemerritt03 · · Score: 2

      EEG can really tell how alert you are - if you are starting to drift, so I think it is fine for drivers, pilots, dangerous machine operators etc. Fine and proven technology. Emotions? Not yet.

    2. Re:Phrenology at a different level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      My first thought was, what a great way to better understand how the brain works. I just wish it wasn't being practiced/trained by eastasia...or was it eurasia...

    3. Re:Phrenology at a different level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Soon they'll want to put an electrode down where the sun don't shine, if you know what I mean (and no I don't mean Antarctica in late June).

    4. Re:Phrenology at a different level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The more you think you have something to hide, the more China wants to know about it.

      And they don't need 100% hitrate. They only need to cow you into restricting yourself to thinking only part-approved thoughts and feeling party-approved feelings. They've managed that without the tech for going on how long already? This is just an incremental refinement, not a revolution.

    5. Re:Phrenology at a different level by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      They really want to examine every shit from you.

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    6. Re:Phrenology at a different level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A system with lots of noise and false positives is perfect for the intended application.

      You just ignore it except when you want a pretense for punishing somone. Then having selected the person you want to find something wrong with you wait for their feed to have a random blip and pounce. You point to the data that says they were emotionally unstable or whatever and claim to have saved the day by putting them away. Do it infrequently enough that on average the risk is negligible and only to one person at a time and you can put away quite a lot of people that way.

    7. Re:Phrenology at a different level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't have to work, we are watching now. We'll know if you slack off, or how much you are relaxing when you've got the high value proposal due. We'll be able to tell if you are walking around a lot, we might activate the proximity function at a later date to see where employees are in the building. This information is confidential and only available to persons in management or administration.

    8. Re:Phrenology at a different level by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 1

      We can't identify feelings or emotions (many people erroneously conflate the two) even with the most advanced and cumbersome brain imaging technologies, e.g. fMRI & PET.

      However, it's relatively easy to measure people's levels of cognitive arousal. I think we should introduce these arousal sensor hats for senators, congressmen, members of parliament, etc.. It'd be great to see when they're making evidence-informed rational decisions or just acting out of some incidental state of arousal. It could tell us a lot about the misattribution of arousal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... in our political decision-making processes, especially for our current stable geniuses in leadership in the USA and UK at the moment.

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    9. Re:Phrenology at a different level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, the purpose is to centralize control of everything. In this brave new IoP (Internet of Proletariat) world, your thoughts are irrelevent, completely counter productive even. Rest assured, We're still working on a way to control your body after fixing that problem, but until then massive thought policing is a good enough workaround. Still waiting on the self repairing humanoid drones though, then we can just get rid of you wastes of resources completely.

      F yours.

      - The Bourgeoisie

    10. Re:Phrenology at a different level by MoaDweeb · · Score: 1

      This sort of thing makes me so ANGRY.

      ****zzzztttt****

      Ahh. better now

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    11. Re:Phrenology at a different level by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for the chinese, nothting is impossible... accordring to their own propaganda anyway :-) China have on many occasions claimed to have invented incredible technology

    12. Re:Phrenology at a different level by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      "We" is perhaps the most potentially dangerous word in such discussions. Though "they" is not far behind it, and may be worse.

      Notice how the antecedents are different in the two uses? And how one of the uses doesn't even include the person using it? (I'm assuming he or she doesn't run any businesses or military organizations in China.)

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  2. Leftists are Envious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You can never have enough ways to detect impolitic/subversive thoughts, right Leftists?

    1. Re:Leftists are Envious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Which side supports free speech rights and which side complains about the "lies" of the liberal media and their inauguration crowd numbers?

    2. Re:Leftists are Envious by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Last I checked both sides lie to further their agenda.

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    3. Re:Leftists are Envious by jimtheowl · · Score: 2

      Lets not confuse a dripping tap with Niagara Falls.

    4. Re:Leftists are Envious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I was just reading an article on the BBC about a row over "cultural appropriation" because a girl wore a chinese style dress. If free speech rights extend to freedom of expressing yourself, I'm going to say the left doesn't have much of a leg to stand on with free speech rights right now. In my day, wearing something from another culture, so long as not done in a mocking way, was celebrating diversity, I guess that's wrong now. Toss in PC culture which attempts to silence anyone who says "disagreeable" things, and well....yeah.

    5. Re:Leftists are Envious by sycodon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Which side supports free speech rights

      The side that doesn't throw a riot when a speaker comes to campus?

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    6. Re:Leftists are Envious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've missed the subtlety. It's celebrating diversity when anyone else does it. It's cultural appropriation when a white person does it, especially a white male, especially a cisgendered straight white male.

      In fact, I believe the narrative is that every article of clothing, every edible dish, and every word was somehow appropriated from someone else; therefore we are supposed to walk around naked, never speak anything to anyone for any reason, and never eat.

      Or so the narrative goes.

    7. Re:Leftists are Envious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which side supports free speech rights

      The side that doesn't cry about "hate speech" and riot when someone they don't like attempts to speak at a public college.

    8. Re:Leftists are Envious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Last I checked there were more than two sides... There are those that know that and those that don't.

    9. Re:Leftists are Envious by nospam007 · · Score: 2

      "I was just reading an article on the BBC about a row over "cultural appropriation" because a girl wore a chinese style dress."

      Don't you know, that the new political correctness.

      It's also in the movie business, only real Indians can play Indians, only Africans can play Africans and I guess for SF it will soon mean that only Martians can play Martians.

    10. Re:Leftists are Envious by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Which side supports free speech rights

      Not the side with the cries for censorship, "hate speech" laws, etc.

      which side complains about the "lies" of the liberal media and their inauguration crowd numbers?

      Everyone but the liberals.

      You haven't asked the important question. Which side is correct? (Hint: It's not the liberals.)

    11. Re:Leftists are Envious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Buy a new pillow already.

    12. Re:Leftists are Envious by sycodon · · Score: 0

      So did your parents sue the hospital where you were born because of the oxygen being cut off from your brain?

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    13. Re:Leftists are Envious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You seem to be assuming that all on the left have identical views, and none support free speech. It isn't the case.

    14. Re: Leftists are Envious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      can you please get some contact to your statement. I don't know if you're trying to criticize the left or the right.

    15. Re:Leftists are Envious by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You do know that both sides accuse the other one of being the Niagara Falls, yes?

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    16. Re:Leftists are Envious by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I wonder how long I may still eat Chinese food.

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    17. Re:Leftists are Envious by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      Nice try, but we both know which side has brought up the level of discourse to what it is.

    18. Re:Leftists are Envious by not+flu · · Score: 1

      That's easy, just look at what gets deleted off youtube and you have your answer. Hint: it's not the left.

    19. Re:Leftists are Envious by not+flu · · Score: 1

      Given the context of grandparent post it's obvious your shit just got called out and now you resort to this? Weak.

    20. Re:Leftists are Envious by not+flu · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, not throwing riots to suppress speakers on campus. Classic fascist tactic. Do you get paid to flame non-commies or to give fascists a good name?

    21. Re:Leftists are Envious by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Not trying anything. It's simply what both sides claim. Yeah, we lie, but THE OTHERS are way worse.

      Yeah. Sure. In the end, I wish the left and right would come together like matter and antimatter and annihilate each other in a flash so we sane people could start rebuilding finally.

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    22. Re:Leftists are Envious by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      Correct to a point, but it is a mute point.

      One does not have to rely on claims from either sides to observe what is really happening.

    23. Re: Leftists are Envious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The left have a double standard for everything. One for whites and the other for non whites. It is the only thing they are consistent with.

    24. Re:Leftists are Envious by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But that's pretty much what people do. Nobody is looking for what really is anymore. Everyone just waits 'til someone spews something that fits their own world view and that becomes the truth because someone else said it.

      You can say the worst bullshit, as long as it fits someone's narrative it becomes their reality.

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    25. Re:Leftists are Envious by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      Assuming that by 'what people do' you mean what most people do.

      If you get that impression from television, try watching less of it (even cut the cord) and if you get it from your surroundings, meet new people.
      On the other hand, if you are seduced by the apparent results of these self serving opportunists and wishes to emulate their behavior, I wish you the worse.

      Hopefully, you are stating what you are observing and not proposing a modus operandi.

      This behavior is not a new thing and has been shown to be the precursor to the fall of empires.

    26. Re:Leftists are Envious by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I have no TV. I know no people who feel the urge to spew propaganda. Where I observe that is for example here. Take a look around the boards and you'll find that, no matter the topic, some goofball will feel the urge to throw in how Trump will save us or how he should be thrown in jail or how Hillary is a (insert random insult here).

      I remember a time when there was actually sensible discussion possible here. And I'm not talking about a sensible discussion about politics (that I have never seen, neither here nor anywhere) but one concerning technology and its development and use. From time to time, something like this emerges, like a brave little flower breaking out of the concrete of political bickering, only to be instantly derailed and taken over by this bickering. Like, say, this subthread. Started out as a bit about how emotions are barely understood and you can't sensible measure and control them and now we're talking again about whether the left or the right of the political spectrum are worse offenders when it comes to thought control.

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    27. Re:Leftists are Envious by jimtheowl · · Score: 1

      "I have no TV. I know no people who feel the urge to spew propaganda."

      Kudos for that.

      If its worth anything, this sub-thread allowed me to get to know you a little better, and I mean that in a positive way.

  3. Yet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's important to note the technology cannot read people's thoughts.

    YET!

    1. Re:Yet! by gtall · · Score: 1

      Ummm...why? To quote Professor Snape, “The mind is not a book, to be opened at will and examined at leisure. Thoughts are not etched on the inside of skulls, to be perused by an invader. The mind is a complex and many-layered thing.”

      That seems apropos. The brain itself has various parts that work in parallel. What part of it contains the mind that it may be read? It is likely there is no single part, so that parallel parts contents would have to be assembled into a coherent picture. That itself is a moving target because the brain is not static.

      The concept of mind is more abstract than the brain in which it resides. Just what precisely is "the mind"? If anything, it is a process so there is no "reading" it once, assuming it can be "read" at all. Any reader would have to sense trajectories. Yet the trajectories continually get interrupted by outside events, or internal events that are seemingly outside any current trajectory of conscious thought. And it isn't clear there are single trajectories to a stream of consciousness. Many scientists appear to work on problems in the "background", so which trajectory is the main one? How would we discern the difference. How many trajectories are there? They appear to branch promiscuously.

      For me, mind-reading is so ill-defined as to be an incoherent concept.

    2. Re:Yet! by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      As soon as it does, there will be a lot less crime, faster court proceedings, and better politicians. Bring it on!

  4. Yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's important to note the technology cannot read people's thoughts.

    This is China, so let me fix that for you.

    "It's important to note the technology cannot read people's thoughts... yet."

    1. Re:Yet... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but it was correct before you changed it. There may come a technology that can read people's thoughts, in some sense, but this won't be it, and it won't be a straightforward development of this technology. I'd be really surprised if it didn't require surgery.

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  5. Sheeple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's important to note the technology cannot read people's thoughts.

    That's what the government would like you to believe, sheeple.

  6. Face by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about face? Doesn't this invade the very deep social concept of face?

  7. Re: LMAO @ mental loon Zontar the Mindless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    apk is polish? that explains so much, like how stupid the hosts file thing is

  8. Tin foil hats by Mordaximus · · Score: 2

    They made fun of me decades ago, but who's got the last laugh now!

    1. Re:Tin foil hats by Junta · · Score: 4, Funny

      They have the last laugh. Little do you know they put the sensors *right in the tinfoil*. You *thought* you were protecting yourself but you just played right into their hands.

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    2. Re:Tin foil hats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A tin foil hat would probably increase conductivity, making the brain scanners more accurate.

    3. Re:Tin foil hats by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      A tin foil hat would probably increase conductivity, making the brain scanners more accurate.

      Yep, the whole tin-foil hat thing was secretly promulgated by the government to make it easier to track and monitor the people who can see through all of the government's tricks and lies. That's why I built a farraday cage around my head. Now I just have to deal with people asking me why I have a copper birdcage on my head.

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    4. Re:Tin foil hats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're not the first

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMdWdnCK01c

    5. Re:Tin foil hats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great so when can we expect to see sensor tech in the grocery store foil products?

    6. Re:Tin foil hats by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your problem is that you have a huge gaping hole in your cage at the bottom where your neck goes through. That's no Faraday cage, it is just a copper birdcage on your head. You'll need to detach your head, and re-sew it on through the cage so that there is no gap.

  9. Re:"China" by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Probably because the biggest Chinese corporations are in fact state run...

    What I don't understand is why idiots seem to forget that China is still a totalitarian regime with no real concept of human rights. Slather as much lipstick on that pig as you like, its still a place where if you don't show proper deference to the ruling party you can end up in prison or worse. Heck the forced abortions only stopped in 2k13 and we kinda take their word for it they really have stopped.

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  10. Re: LMAO @ mental loon Zontar the Mindless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Love how the little Nazi-punk wannabe (((APK))) idolizes the very ones who would of wiped his little "tribe" of Untermenshen right off the map & kicked over the traces if they had only been given a couple more years....

  11. $315 million increase in profits? by aicrules · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Their publicly disclosed net income went from about $130 million in 2014 to $160 million in 2016 and then dropped considerably to about $65 million in 2017? Couldn't possibly be exaggerating or just plain lying right?

    1. Re:$315 million increase in profits? by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      Their publicly disclosed net income

      There it is. Obviously the Chinese government was paying them under the table to use their employees as guinea pigs to test the brainwave technology. Personally, if I were a Chinese citizen, I would be a little wary if they started handing out free hats at the next Party meeting.

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    2. Re:$315 million increase in profits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't let the facts get in the way of propaganda. They need people to think it's effective so they don't reject the idea.

    3. Re:$315 million increase in profits? by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 1

      Maybe there is such a thing as GROSS Profit vs NET Profit, but hey -- what do I know?

    4. Re:$315 million increase in profits? by aicrules · · Score: 1

      Well it's not much of an improvement if the net profit doesn't go up. I'd even give them the benefit of the doubt if net profit rose proportionally. But since it dropped considerably that $315 million increase is meaningless even if there is an actual on the books number that it comes from.

    5. Re:$315 million increase in profits? by aicrules · · Score: 1

      They did have a stock price increase that could be correlated to a 2014 implementation. But since mid-2016 the stock has been on a steady decline. Obviously these are neither indicators of this specific activity directly impacting profitability, but still brings their claim into question. Being unwilling to give details of the program also makes it questionable.

    6. Re:$315 million increase in profits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ugh...it's always some mundane detail...decimal points...argh! $31.5 million or was it $3.150000 dollars...oh well...net positive :)

    7. Re: $315 million increase in profits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing?

    8. Re:$315 million increase in profits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't understand China at all. Why would they pay "under the table?" That is such a huge gaping lack of understanding.

      Do you understand the concept of "under the table" at all? OK, so if it is "under" the table, who can't see it? So if the government is totalitarian, and it is the government doing some thing, would it be "under the table?" No. They just wouldn't tell you. But in China, citizens have no right to information about what the government does, or about what some corporation does. They don't even have to use any sort of "classification" system; it is just confidential stuff, and obviously if you told anybody you're not a good citizen.

      Also, the Chinese government is part owner of most major corporations. They don't have to "pay" them to tell them what to do, they simply inform them that the government is investing in their business, the government gives them money and tells them how to spend it, and now the government owns 25% of the company. The company owners celebrate that, because it means they have an implicit safety net, and that the government will consider their company's needs when regulating them. The government then uses their position as an owner to help direct the company. When everybody involved is a company insider, "under the table" doesn't make any sense at all.

      If you were a Chinese citizen and you were privileged enough to be invited to Party meetings, you'd celebrate whatever new policy they were rolling out. And if you put this hat on, and then are feeling wary at the next Party meeting, you're not invited to the meeting after that, you're no longer privileged, and you probably can no longer travel abroad for vacations, work in a government job, or even work in any job that requires a background check. Starting next year, it would mean your "social credit" number would drop, and you'd be like an "untouchable" in India; only allowed awful jobs, and only on a temporary basis.

  12. Positive Uses by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    That might be a great idea if 100% of the people are required all to use the device except for Trump. He has no brain waves to study at all.

    1. Re:Positive Uses by barc0001 · · Score: 2

      Do you want Psycho Pass? Because this is how you get Psycho Pass...

      "The story takes place in an authoritarian future dystopia, where omnipresent public sensors continuously scan the mental states of every passing citizen. Collected data on both present mentality and aggregated personality data is used to gauge the probability of that citizen committing a crime, the rating referred to as that citizen's Psycho-Pass. Authorities are alerted whenever excessive ratings are detected, and officers of the Public Safety Bureau are dispatched with weapons called "Dominators", energy pistols that modulate their power in response to the target's Psycho Pass"

  13. dystopian future from Snowcrash by perotbot · · Score: 2

    This is what L. Bob Reif was after in snowcrash, I'm not sure I want to live in this future

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    1. Re:dystopian future from Snowcrash by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is nothing like in Snow Crash, but it may be the first step towards Interface. Especially once they figure out how to wire it into Weibo.

      It's even more like The Diamond Age than Snow Crash.

  14. So it is time for cheat this device .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the next step is to create device sending fake brain waves :-)

  15. is it important to note? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's important to note the technology cannot read people's thoughts."
    then it's also important to note that it doesn't violate the first law of thermodynamics or relativity.
    and that you shouldn't feed the hats after midnight, or accidentally walk under a ladder while wearing one.

    because "important" has clearly switched meanings.

  16. Use It To Detect Hate Speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the Chinese system can actually detect emotions, I see the following benefit: it will reveal that many of the people accused of "hate speech" are not actually motivated by hatred, but that the individuals who make the accusations of hate speech are themselves motivated by hatred.

    1. Re:Use It To Detect Hate Speech by HiThere · · Score: 1

      As reported (and as I believe) it can't actually detect emotions. It sounds like what it detects is level of arousal, but it's probably a bit more specific than that. It might well detect arousal of Alpha, Beta, Delta waves. (IIRC, Delta waves ramp up as you drop off to sleep.)

      OTOH, I expect they've also got a temperature sensor, which they didn't mention, to detect blood flow near the forehead. Hot headed isn't just a figure of speech.

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  17. Everybody does this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The individual may think that the most important reality is his own existence, but this is only his personal point of view. This lacks historical perspective. Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electronically control the brain. Someday armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain."
    Dr José Delgado,
    Director of Neuropsychiatry
    Yale University Medical School Congressional Record,
    No. 26, Vol. 118 February 24, 1974
    https://www.wireheading.com/jose-delgado.html

    Thank God for the robots, now THEY can program/control the robots and leave the humans alone.

  18. Hive mentality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "China" (referring to the country and/or the goverment and/or companies/corporations within the country of China) are increasingly treating human beings like insects in a hive. Chinese citizens, how much more of this bullshit are you willing to endure? Your humanity is being stripped away little by little until you'll be no more than automatons, worth nothing more than what the chemicals that make up your bodies are worth. Humans aren't meant to live the way you're being made to live, why put up with it?

  19. Itâ(TM)s only a matter of time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Itâ(TM)s only a matter of time before Zuck starts handing out free hats and makes it a thing.

  20. Re:"China" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AI has already happened. You just live in a semantically-distinct world from the rest of us.

  21. Re:"China" by Volatile_Memory · · Score: 2

    Those of you not aware of the Chinese 16-Character Policy probably should be...

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  22. Re:"China" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great question you fat retard. How have you learned to breath with your head stuffed inside a Cheetos bag?

  23. When I read one of these articles... by skids · · Score: 1

    ...I recoil the same way everyone else does.

    But at the same time, I also lament that tech like this could actually work for our betterment, if only we could find a way to ensure it was deployed by trustworthy people with adequate safeguards against misuse. For example this could identify people who need some form of support to get them out of whatever rut they are in (rather than labeling them as undesirables, throwing them on the trash heap, and hiring someone else o retrain from scratch). It could be as simple as them having a crappy sleep environment but not having the knowledge to figure that out and fix it. An investment of under a grand and they could be at the top of their game in weeks. Instead things just drone on as they are, no progress made.

    It seems most cultures have disastrously undervalued the things that build up such communal trust, especially now in the Social Networking age. Corrosive practices like trolling have everyone thinking the worst of everyone else, and even explicit efforts to build trust webs (like China's social ranking system) backfire and only serve to bring out the worst competitive backbiting behaviors. Truly a shame.

    1. Re:When I read one of these articles... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I also lament that tech like this could actually work for our betterment, if only we could find a way to ensure it was deployed by trustworthy people with adequate safeguards against misuse.

      There's an easy solution to that - don't fucking network it. The vast majority of people who are spinning out of control don't know it. Just telling them they have an issue can get a lot of people to seek help.

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    2. Re:When I read one of these articles... by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      if only we could find a way to ensure it was deployed by trustworthy people with adequate safeguards against misuse

      Said of every privacy invasive technology ever invented. It has not happened yet. I don't see any evidence whatsoever from any time in history that something privacy invasive has not employed in an abusive fashion at relatively high frequency. I have not even see much evidence to suggest measures to address the abuse after the fact really put an end to it; except in very small examples either geographically or in narrowness of rule. Take HIPPA for example. I do pen-testing - medical industry pretty often - I get PII Medical data almost all the time. Its not safe - even if they follow the rules because the rules are so watered down and their is little real accountability; no matter what the law supposedly is.

      I hate to play the role of the Luddite but all the evidence is people just can't be trusted with things like this.

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    3. Re:When I read one of these articles... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      But at the same time, I also lament that tech like this could actually work for our betterment...

      Pre-crime

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    4. Re:When I read one of these articles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vast majority of known technology that could be used to invade my private life is not being used for that purpose, because society decided against allowing it.

      It takes more than hand-waving to make a claim that huge.

      You claim to do pen testing, but you can't comprehend the range of known technology that would be invasive?! Really?! Have you adopted some sort of ideology so absurd that it leaves you mentally disabled? Or are you just an idiot who learned how to click on the test script repeatedly?

    5. Re:When I read one of these articles... by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      Don't be stupid - ALL of that technology is being used to invade your privacy. I never claimed ALL of that technology was ONLY being used to invade your privacy. Yes I do pen testing that is why I understand things like side channels and unintended information disclosures etc. Clearly you don't

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  24. EMO from EMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Big Brother wants to keep tabs on its employees, and Yu have been selected to join in the alpha stage of the program. That's right; all employees with the surname Yu (about 1 million in this office building alone, right before the entry ways, and on the lower two floors only) will take part in these tests for which you will be duly compensated. No shots will be administered; please indicate your willingness to participate by putting an X in the box below. We will make every effort to keep things as simple as x-y-z.

  25. Black Mirror again by edgedmurasame · · Score: 1

    China forgot that Black Mirror is a TV show, not an instructional video.

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    1. Re:Black Mirror again by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      1984 worked great as an instructional book for them, why wouldn't they move on once they completed that?

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    2. Re: Black Mirror again by edgedmurasame · · Score: 1

      They haven't moved on from 1984 as much as they've run out of things to implement from the book.

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    3. Re: Black Mirror again by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      That was my point. They implemented everything from 1984 and have moved on to implementing things from more recent sources. Like Black Mirror. Not "no longer do 1984" moved on, outgrew cause it didn't imagine smartphones and AI moved on.

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  26. I'm looking at you, THX1138. by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    Supposedly the right and left loves of the brain control the left and right limbs, respectively. Thus left handers are rightminded. That is what you meant by leftists, right?

    Next up based on your brainwave evidence you will be arrested for drug evasion. I'm looking at you thx1138, you dumb threep.

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    1. Re:I'm looking at you, THX1138. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *lobes

      Unless you meant "loaves", in which case.. YOU ANIMAL!!! Cannibalism is almost always frowned upon.

  27. funny hats by White+Yeti · · Score: 2

    More fun than tinfoil, put it in cat ears!

  28. "It's important to note the technology cannot..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "It's important to note the technology cannot read people's thoughts." YET. Or maybe it just classified or expensive.

  29. Real Headline by fedos · · Score: 2

    China Uses Pseudoscience as Excuse to Punish Employees

  30. Hawthorne Effect by notil · · Score: 1

    Hmm....pretty complicated to detect things like depression with an EEG cap. Stress, may be easier...Still, I'm skeptical that this "huge boost in profits" doesn't just come from scaring people into thinking that their thoughts are being read.

  31. Just remove your cap ... by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    ...before going postal.

  32. Of course by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    One company using the brain-monitoring tech says profits have increased by $315 million since rolling it out way back in 2014.

    This company makes and sells brain-monitoring equipment.

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  33. This is an old scam by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

    This scam is as old as the hills. It's easy to get the government to buy a bunch of garbage, here in the USA they sell airport security machines and "lie detectors"

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    1. Re:This is an old scam by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      As opposed to companies wisely buying McKinsey Consultants and Six-Sigma black belts.

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    2. Re:This is an old scam by jbmartin6 · · Score: 1

      That's a relatively newer scam.

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    3. Re:This is an old scam by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      McKinsley (founded 1926) is "newer" than brain reading machines, millimeter wave cameras or even modern lie detectors?Heck, Six Sigma is older than the first two.

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  34. Re:"China" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because The People's Republic of China is a communist entity that is doing things.

  35. USA always leads by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The US is doing stuff way beyond this. Like full-blown mind reading, invisibility, and much more. Are we free if the govt can invisibly walk up to you and fire microwaves into your head? Remember what happened to the diplomats in Cuba. They felt like they were being attacked by ghosts. No one wants to live in a world like this, so we all create a protective bubble of safety around us that becomes our reality.

  36. Where can I get those hats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone knows where can you get those hats? I would like to try them out.

  37. Re: LMAO @ mental loon Zontar the Mindless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do you get a one armed Polock(apk) out of a tree?

    Answer: Wave to him. o/

  38. If you think there are "sides", you're already a l by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I repeat: If you think there are "sides", you're already a lost cause.

    How so-called "people" still go for such memes is baffling. Left?? Right?? REALLY??

    There are more shades than black and white!
    There are fuzzy borders!
    The borders *fluctuate* constantly!
    The entire scale is relative!
    There are many, *many* more dimensions/factors! (hence the former)

    You're a grown man. Get real! Seriously, this is not funny anymore!

  39. The "forced abortions" were the onl thing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... stopping China from becoming India!

    They were "Don't fuckin have more than one child, or we'll fuckin drown in our own shit or starve!"! So yeah, if you have one anyway, you are literally trying to kill everyone else to some extend!

    Meanwhile, Americans still are SO delusional that they believe in *literal* infinite exponential growth! Including popilation, resource usage, corporate. As if that was a good thing, and would not *literally* make is an explosion of a planetary pathogen!

    No, Chinese leadetship aren't the ggod guys, and neither are you btw. But they are thinking on a *massive* scale. Because they (unfortinately, to me) reject individualism, in favor of seeing society as a whole as one lifeform. And I'm sorry, but in that aspect they are kicking your dog-eat-dog society of literal psychopaths' *ass*.

    1. Re:The "forced abortions" were the onl thing ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... stopping China from becoming India!

      They were "Don't fuckin have more than one child, or we'll fuckin drown in our own shit or starve!"! So yeah, if you have one anyway, you are literally trying to kill everyone else to some extend!

      Meanwhile, Americans still are SO delusional that they believe in *literal* infinite exponential growth! Including popilation, resource usage, corporate. As if that was a good thing, and would not *literally* make is an explosion of a planetary pathogen!

      No, Chinese leadetship aren't the ggod guys, and neither are you btw. But they are thinking on a *massive* scale. Because they (unfortinately, to me) reject individualism, in favor of seeing society as a whole as one lifeform. And I'm sorry, but in that aspect they are kicking your dog-eat-dog society of literal psychopaths' *ass*.

      Both China and the US have their share of successful, power-hungry psychopaths. Both suffer under the unjust domination of a state machine. At present, CCP is a little more controlling of the Chinese people than the FED is of the American people, and the Chinese economy is doing a little better than the American economy, but, given a basic understanding of history and economics, it would be a stretch to suggest a causal link here. Even if there were one could not establish objective superiority of one system over the other because some people prefer doing what is right even if it is inefficient and some people prefer being productive even if it entails evil.

    2. Re:The "forced abortions" were the onl thing ... by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      First off India is actually by most measures modernizing more rapidly than China and growing a pace economically speaking. Second put on your thinking cap here. One child is below the replacement rate.

      So it was never really one child it was one child unless you were part of the elite ruling class, in which case it was many children. So the policy was always about using human beings as automatons, you and your family don't matter you exist to serve the sate nothing more. It was not about "we will drown" it was about enriching some at the direct expense of others.

      Second poverty not affluence is responsible for most environmental destruction. Affluent people made decisions like "I will pay a higher cost to keep the place around me nice" "I'll invest in more efficient energy sources so I don't deforest the landscape for cooking and heating fuel while dirtying the air". "I'll use birth control because two kids is enough with modern medicine to carry on our family, machines can replace the labor and we can all enjoy a better life style". Those are choices affluent people make, because they have choices. Look at the stats - if certain political forces were not hell bent on letting anyone from anywhere (usually very poor places) immigrate here the US population would be stable today and that is without totalitarian control!

      You have to become affluent in the first place though, and Chinese policy was not about lifting all ships, it was about lifting few and still is, the fact that they have allowed a little wealth to trickle down finally is ONLY because they think that will enable the rules to become even more wealthy and even more powerful.

      19th and 20th Century American Capitalism is better for people, the planet, and promises a brighter future than any other system ever has been or is ever likely to be. Exponential growth in population isn't possible (but nobody really intended that forever) but exponential growth in wealth probably is possible because with enough cheap energy most things are possible. Don't forget there is giant ball fusion dumping terrawatts on us every day. There is fission we can harness now, probably fusion directly sometime in the next generation or two.

      Literally most of societal problems today are the direct impact of 20th century socialist ideas that were allowed to take root here and leftist idiots continue to cling to despite the horror and damage they cause. The Great Society is not the solution to poverty and the wealth gap in America today its the ROOT CAUSE.

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  40. Re:If you think there are "sides", you're already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think the plan is to encourage people to focus on left vs right. That way, they are not thinking of replacing the whole corrupt system. There's also the divide and conquer technique which is always in play.

  41. What do you keep in your little box? by cstacy · · Score: 1

    Cells.

  42. P'shah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In America we already have something better than that. We have hats that NEGATE brainwave energy, making DETECTING and INTERPRETING it unnecessary. The technology in the American version renders the wearer dull, boring, and stupid, with the frequent side-effect that it does fill some wearers with rage. You can tell which hats do this, because they're red, and have the words "Make America Great Again" printed in white letters on them.

    On the other hand, I may have the cause and effect mixed up here.

  43. Future shock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be assured that this will be coming to liberal socialist companies in America in the near future. FaceBook, Apple, Microsoft, and Google will pioneer this requirement for all employees. Governments will try to require this intrusion upon truck drivers. Then it will be on to auto drivers.

  44. Gives them a day off when they need it? by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

    I'd like to think that Chinese companies want to ensure that their workers remain happy and don't burn out. Too much stress and the boss comes over with a nice cup of tea and some biscuits. Is that the idea?!!