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China is Now Monitoring Employees' Brainwaves and Emotions (fastcompany.com)
From a report: The Orwellian-as-all-get-out practice is being conducted using "emotional surveillance technology" by both businesses in China and the country's military, reports the South China Morning Post. The tech uses small wireless sensors embedded in employees' hats that can monitor brainwaves. That brainwave data is then analyzed by AI to tell when an employee is tired, anxious, or even full of rage. One company using the brain-monitoring tech says profits have increased by $315 million since rolling it out way back in 2014. Other uses of the tech include monitoring drivers of trains to tell if they've fallen asleep or are at risk of doing so. It's important to note the technology cannot read people's thoughts.
We barely understand how emotions work and now we want to monitor emotions in people who have every reason to hide them?
Good luck...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
It's important to note the technology cannot read people's thoughts.
YET!
They made fun of me decades ago, but who's got the last laugh now!
Probably because the biggest Chinese corporations are in fact state run...
What I don't understand is why idiots seem to forget that China is still a totalitarian regime with no real concept of human rights. Slather as much lipstick on that pig as you like, its still a place where if you don't show proper deference to the ruling party you can end up in prison or worse. Heck the forced abortions only stopped in 2k13 and we kinda take their word for it they really have stopped.
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Their publicly disclosed net income went from about $130 million in 2014 to $160 million in 2016 and then dropped considerably to about $65 million in 2017? Couldn't possibly be exaggerating or just plain lying right?
That might be a great idea if 100% of the people are required all to use the device except for Trump. He has no brain waves to study at all.
This is what L. Bob Reif was after in snowcrash, I'm not sure I want to live in this future
~corporate tool, but employed~
Last I checked both sides lie to further their agenda.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Lets not confuse a dripping tap with Niagara Falls.
I was just reading an article on the BBC about a row over "cultural appropriation" because a girl wore a chinese style dress. If free speech rights extend to freedom of expressing yourself, I'm going to say the left doesn't have much of a leg to stand on with free speech rights right now. In my day, wearing something from another culture, so long as not done in a mocking way, was celebrating diversity, I guess that's wrong now. Toss in PC culture which attempts to silence anyone who says "disagreeable" things, and well....yeah.
Those of you not aware of the Chinese 16-Character Policy probably should be...
I have a "Zero Policy" tolerance.
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Which side supports free speech rights
The side that doesn't throw a riot when a speaker comes to campus?
When Fascism comes to America, it will call itself Anti-Fascism, and tell you to give up your guns.
But at the same time, I also lament that tech like this could actually work for our betterment, if only we could find a way to ensure it was deployed by trustworthy people with adequate safeguards against misuse. For example this could identify people who need some form of support to get them out of whatever rut they are in (rather than labeling them as undesirables, throwing them on the trash heap, and hiring someone else o retrain from scratch). It could be as simple as them having a crappy sleep environment but not having the knowledge to figure that out and fix it. An investment of under a grand and they could be at the top of their game in weeks. Instead things just drone on as they are, no progress made.
It seems most cultures have disastrously undervalued the things that build up such communal trust, especially now in the Social Networking age. Corrosive practices like trolling have everyone thinking the worst of everyone else, and even explicit efforts to build trust webs (like China's social ranking system) backfire and only serve to bring out the worst competitive backbiting behaviors. Truly a shame.
Someone had to do it.
China forgot that Black Mirror is a TV show, not an instructional video.
"Forget the engineers." -Carly Fiorina, briber of MIT Technology Review.
Supposedly the right and left loves of the brain control the left and right limbs, respectively. Thus left handers are rightminded. That is what you meant by leftists, right?
Next up based on your brainwave evidence you will be arrested for drug evasion. I'm looking at you thx1138, you dumb threep.
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
More fun than tinfoil, put it in cat ears!
China Uses Pseudoscience as Excuse to Punish Employees
"I was just reading an article on the BBC about a row over "cultural appropriation" because a girl wore a chinese style dress."
Don't you know, that the new political correctness.
It's also in the movie business, only real Indians can play Indians, only Africans can play Africans and I guess for SF it will soon mean that only Martians can play Martians.
Hmm....pretty complicated to detect things like depression with an EEG cap. Stress, may be easier...Still, I'm skeptical that this "huge boost in profits" doesn't just come from scaring people into thinking that their thoughts are being read.
...before going postal.
Sorry, but it was correct before you changed it. There may come a technology that can read people's thoughts, in some sense, but this won't be it, and it won't be a straightforward development of this technology. I'd be really surprised if it didn't require surgery.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
As reported (and as I believe) it can't actually detect emotions. It sounds like what it detects is level of arousal, but it's probably a bit more specific than that. It might well detect arousal of Alpha, Beta, Delta waves. (IIRC, Delta waves ramp up as you drop off to sleep.)
OTOH, I expect they've also got a temperature sensor, which they didn't mention, to detect blood flow near the forehead. Hot headed isn't just a figure of speech.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Which side supports free speech rights
Not the side with the cries for censorship, "hate speech" laws, etc.
which side complains about the "lies" of the liberal media and their inauguration crowd numbers?
Everyone but the liberals.
You haven't asked the important question. Which side is correct? (Hint: It's not the liberals.)
One company using the brain-monitoring tech says profits have increased by $315 million since rolling it out way back in 2014.
This company makes and sells brain-monitoring equipment.
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This scam is as old as the hills. It's easy to get the government to buy a bunch of garbage, here in the USA they sell airport security machines and "lie detectors"
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You seem to be assuming that all on the left have identical views, and none support free speech. It isn't the case.
Cells.
You do know that both sides accuse the other one of being the Niagara Falls, yes?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I wonder how long I may still eat Chinese food.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Nice try, but we both know which side has brought up the level of discourse to what it is.
That's easy, just look at what gets deleted off youtube and you have your answer. Hint: it's not the left.
Given the context of grandparent post it's obvious your shit just got called out and now you resort to this? Weak.
Oh yes, not throwing riots to suppress speakers on campus. Classic fascist tactic. Do you get paid to flame non-commies or to give fascists a good name?
First off India is actually by most measures modernizing more rapidly than China and growing a pace economically speaking. Second put on your thinking cap here. One child is below the replacement rate.
So it was never really one child it was one child unless you were part of the elite ruling class, in which case it was many children. So the policy was always about using human beings as automatons, you and your family don't matter you exist to serve the sate nothing more. It was not about "we will drown" it was about enriching some at the direct expense of others.
Second poverty not affluence is responsible for most environmental destruction. Affluent people made decisions like "I will pay a higher cost to keep the place around me nice" "I'll invest in more efficient energy sources so I don't deforest the landscape for cooking and heating fuel while dirtying the air". "I'll use birth control because two kids is enough with modern medicine to carry on our family, machines can replace the labor and we can all enjoy a better life style". Those are choices affluent people make, because they have choices. Look at the stats - if certain political forces were not hell bent on letting anyone from anywhere (usually very poor places) immigrate here the US population would be stable today and that is without totalitarian control!
You have to become affluent in the first place though, and Chinese policy was not about lifting all ships, it was about lifting few and still is, the fact that they have allowed a little wealth to trickle down finally is ONLY because they think that will enable the rules to become even more wealthy and even more powerful.
19th and 20th Century American Capitalism is better for people, the planet, and promises a brighter future than any other system ever has been or is ever likely to be. Exponential growth in population isn't possible (but nobody really intended that forever) but exponential growth in wealth probably is possible because with enough cheap energy most things are possible. Don't forget there is giant ball fusion dumping terrawatts on us every day. There is fission we can harness now, probably fusion directly sometime in the next generation or two.
Literally most of societal problems today are the direct impact of 20th century socialist ideas that were allowed to take root here and leftist idiots continue to cling to despite the horror and damage they cause. The Great Society is not the solution to poverty and the wealth gap in America today its the ROOT CAUSE.
Repeal the 17th Amendment TODAY! Also Please Read http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
Not trying anything. It's simply what both sides claim. Yeah, we lie, but THE OTHERS are way worse.
Yeah. Sure. In the end, I wish the left and right would come together like matter and antimatter and annihilate each other in a flash so we sane people could start rebuilding finally.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Correct to a point, but it is a mute point.
One does not have to rely on claims from either sides to observe what is really happening.
I'd like to think that Chinese companies want to ensure that their workers remain happy and don't burn out. Too much stress and the boss comes over with a nice cup of tea and some biscuits. Is that the idea?!!
But that's pretty much what people do. Nobody is looking for what really is anymore. Everyone just waits 'til someone spews something that fits their own world view and that becomes the truth because someone else said it.
You can say the worst bullshit, as long as it fits someone's narrative it becomes their reality.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Assuming that by 'what people do' you mean what most people do.
If you get that impression from television, try watching less of it (even cut the cord) and if you get it from your surroundings, meet new people.
On the other hand, if you are seduced by the apparent results of these self serving opportunists and wishes to emulate their behavior, I wish you the worse.
Hopefully, you are stating what you are observing and not proposing a modus operandi.
This behavior is not a new thing and has been shown to be the precursor to the fall of empires.
I have no TV. I know no people who feel the urge to spew propaganda. Where I observe that is for example here. Take a look around the boards and you'll find that, no matter the topic, some goofball will feel the urge to throw in how Trump will save us or how he should be thrown in jail or how Hillary is a (insert random insult here).
I remember a time when there was actually sensible discussion possible here. And I'm not talking about a sensible discussion about politics (that I have never seen, neither here nor anywhere) but one concerning technology and its development and use. From time to time, something like this emerges, like a brave little flower breaking out of the concrete of political bickering, only to be instantly derailed and taken over by this bickering. Like, say, this subthread. Started out as a bit about how emotions are barely understood and you can't sensible measure and control them and now we're talking again about whether the left or the right of the political spectrum are worse offenders when it comes to thought control.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
"I have no TV. I know no people who feel the urge to spew propaganda."
Kudos for that.
If its worth anything, this sub-thread allowed me to get to know you a little better, and I mean that in a positive way.