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YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels (vice.com)
According to Wikipedia, nootropics are drugs, supplements, and other substances that improve cognitive function, particularly executive functions, memory, creativity, or motivation, in healthy individuals. Many of them are not regulated by the Food and Drug Administration, and some have reported addiction and harm, as well as uncomfortable side effects. These concerns may be behind YouTube's recent decision to delete at least three nootropics channels over the past three days. Motherboard reports: The nootropics YouTubers don't know why YouTube penalized them. YouTube's community guidelines prohibit harmful or dangerous content, including "hard drug use," which seems like the most likely reason. [Ryan Michael Ballow, a YouTuber whose channel "Cortex Labs Nootropics" was deleted] believes it's either "pharmaceutical industry influence" or some other elements within YouTube's leadership decided to target nootropics specifically. "It's all extremely fishy, and demonstrates a continued censorship trend with YouTube," he said in an email. [Jonathan Roseland, another YouTube that recently had their channel "Limitless Mindset" deleted] guessed his channel got flagged because he made videos about kratom, an opioid-like substance that has been linked to deaths and is coming under increased government regulation. Other kratom videos have apparently been removed. But Ballow said he's never posted a video about kratom, and a search for "kratom" on YouTube pulls up countless results, including reviews. Similarly, searching for nootropics, magnesium, aniracetam, oxiracetam, and Modafinil showed no shortage of videos, including reviews.
It's hard to know why the channels were removed since YouTube declined to clarify specifics with the creators and did not respond to a request for comment. YouTube allows creators to appeal enforcement decisions, but Ballow's appeal was rejected. The rejection notice did not clearly state which guidelines were violated, but it pointed to another potential violation. YouTube "included a paragraph that states that if the sole purpose of your YouTube videos is to drive people off of the platform, said videos break the rules," Ballow said. He interpreted this to mean the fact that his videos directed viewers to other websites to buy products.
It's hard to know why the channels were removed since YouTube declined to clarify specifics with the creators and did not respond to a request for comment. YouTube allows creators to appeal enforcement decisions, but Ballow's appeal was rejected. The rejection notice did not clearly state which guidelines were violated, but it pointed to another potential violation. YouTube "included a paragraph that states that if the sole purpose of your YouTube videos is to drive people off of the platform, said videos break the rules," Ballow said. He interpreted this to mean the fact that his videos directed viewers to other websites to buy products.
I wonder how many of those decrying this action go around calling AGW skeptics "heretics", errr, "deniers".
It's an Open Secret that many tech founders use nootropics.
It's pretty well known that the founders of a company that starts with G and ends with E are heavy nootropic users themselves.
When they censor things that help people, we have to wonder, are they afraid of the occupational government or competition?
Quoth Eddie Bravo: "Look into it."
Google is only allowed to deal drugs on THEIR platform.
"if the sole purpose of your YouTube videos is to drive people off of the platform"
You're only allowed to deal clickbait back to YouTube, or else you sleep with the fishes.
Did any videos mention micro dosing LSD? That is a hard drug that would violate the terms of service. Probably the next drug in line to be legalized after marijuana but until that time....
YouTube removes videos without an explanation aside from an implied "because fuck you, that's why". News at 11.
YouTube rejects the appeal for reason given above. News is still at 11.
"Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
right through the fall.. some still calling this 'weather'? cease fire stand down... there are innocent moms & babys all around..
This is why ad-supported media can never address the harms caused by the pharmaceutical industry and the very powerful pharmaceutical lobby in the US. All those advertising dollars influence the stories covered, the news promoted, and the videos allowed to be distributed on platforms.
"Somebody has to do something. It's just incredibly pathetic it has to be us."
--- Jerry Garcia
Move very slowly and keep your hands visible at all times while you're being arrested tomorrow.
It can decide who it wants on its platform.
They don't owe you anything.
Maybe because YouTube has too much power, and not enough competition?
They were giving out medical advice without a license?
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
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Q. Why is JewTube suddenly obsessed with stamping out "nootropics"?
A. Alex Jones
No, seriously. It's what funds InfoWars, and JewTube has a very obvious vendetta against Jones.
Of course I'll be modded down for pointing this out, but... Think about it. Super Male Vitality anyone? Why, he literally sells a nootropic called "The Real Red Pill"!
It's just fine and dandy to have a bunch of creepy sexual videos with Spiderman and Elsa, clearly targeting kids... It's just fine and dandy to have "...children" be the auto-complete suggestion for "how to have sex with", but supporting Trump, pointing out mainstream media lies and manipulation? Well... They'll stop at NOTHING to stamp *that* out.
What the fuck is happening to my country? Is no one above the influence of big pharma? The idea that they're taking these videos down because they're making false claims about any product is an absolute bullshit excuse. Search 'flamethrower diy' and you'll find heaps of videos that have much more severe ramifications than someone discussing nootropics would.
Is there a video platform that is less interested in censorship and jerking off corporate interests?
and I am one to talk
Just buy a domain (which I presume most of these people already have) and publish the videos there.
Those who are interested in that topic will certainly find them. Monetarization will be more difficult, but I'm sure the channels were made solely in the interest of science anyway. So nothing changed.
Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
The owners think of them as private spaces, but sell them to the public as public spaces. At some point they become de-facto monopolies or oligopolies (which see), and we end up having to create trust-busters, just like after the previous great depression.
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There's tremendous liability here. Telling people to try drug X without a medical license and the drug not coming through a properly regulated distribution channel likely leads viewers to buy it on the internet. No telling whether the drug contains what it says, perhaps just enough fentanyl to kill a rhinoceros. The danger is more in how the viewer might obtain the drug rather than the danger of the drug or advice itself. At least that's my take.
He who forgets will be destined to remember. - EV
And if they don't want to host a video of a gay wedding that is fine too.
Oh wait...
Can we stop using this excuse about private companies can do what they want? Or can they do what they want as long as liberals say its ok? Fascism much?
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You don't know what you had until it's gone. YouTube is now censoring their users' content at an alarming rate. People who just swear or even talk about sex jokingly see their channels demonetized at the least and deleted at worst. Free speech on the YouTube is limited now as they play thought police, judge, and executioner.
All this bullshit YouTube is doing to building towards their demise. If no competitor comes in then we are looking at full scale unions between YouTube's. This is peoples jobs and when YouTube can take away your years of hard work with a click and never offer an explanation they have way too much power. Much much more money flies though YouTube than Uber and the state of California was debating considering Uber drivers employees. It's only a matter of time before YouTube realizes by taking full control of their users they are going to be forced to call them employees as well.
If it was that easy, do you think Google would have forked out the billions they paid for YouTube ??
I have to assume the people who are vetting all these YouTube channels must be taking some of these nootropic supplements themselves. Who could stand doing that job otherwise?
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We can probably guess why the channel was removed. Some of the videos seemed to be making medical claims about the drugs, and the descriptions had links where you could buy them... So basically a bunch of infomercials making claims not backed up by medical science.
Is this all we are left with?
I'd like to point out that we started with "everyone c'mon in, the service is free!",
Are we there yet?
If you don't like YouTube's policies, build your own video website, pay for the bandwidth yourself and host it all on your own. YouTube is a private entity, if they want you off their soapbox, thats your problem, not theirs. YouTube isn't a government agency, they aren't "censoring" you. They're just telling you to get off their soapbox.
What's the big deal? Just use some of your own products and come up with a better way.
> likely leads viewers to buy it on the internet.
Not just "the internet", but the videos had links to the publishers site, and instructed viewers to buy there. So plain old illegal drug advertising.
The person on YouTube may have been an advertising affiliate for the site, or may have owned it outright. I don't see much difference.
Watch. They crack down on this and in exchange big pharma buys a ton of YouTube ads. Get ready for non stop baldness and boner pill ads.
Do these fucktards not know that they're trashing their protection as a "common carrier" by censoring things? That goes for Google, Facebook, etc. I say throw the book at them. Sue them for every bit of libel or whatever else they display. They clearly exhibit the will and ability to censor whatever they feel like, so they're responsible for what they *don't* censor.
Btw, #FuckZuck. fuckzuck.com.
Down with the corporate gatekeepers
Youtube is private property. They can censor anything they want.
Now, if Trump wanted all the videos that he didn't like removed, that would be a different story.
Then again, if Trump told Google "Take these videos down." and Google complied because it is their property after all, I'd like to see that in the SCOTUS.
There's tremendous liability here. Telling people to try drug X without a medical license [...]
This is argument by misdirection.
1) Google should bear no liability for what it's users say, and
2) Google should not be making legal decisions.
Once you go down the path of "it's the carriers' responsibility", it's really very easy to suppress all kinds of speech. Make one flashy arrest very public, and watch how the "chilling effect" causes all the carriers to clamp down on everything even remotely related, out of fear.
It's very, *very* clear that the current situation is untenable and unfair to the population.
The situation is now so bad that there is a grassroots movement calling for the breakup of the big players (google, facebook, twitter, and so on) on monopoly/antitrust grounds.
Google could be smart, recognize the growing trend, and go back to a "public commons" mode before that happens.
Or, they could continue to try to adjust public thought, try to "bring home" the election for their preferred candidates, and then get chopped up like so much cordwood.
(OTOH, that would probably be good for the users. Google has turned decidedly evil over the past few years, and "not being evil" is a competitive advantage that the smaller pieces could use to compete against each other.)
We need to start moving to the distributed blockchain platforms as fast as possible. Check out steemit, busy.org, d.tube and the others coming around and on top of stuff like ipfs. Central platforms need to be phased. Im not saying current platforms are the way to go, but definitively, we need to empower distributed storage and services on blockchains transparent contracts, very much away of centralized palaces like alphabet's offers.
NO SIG
I don't quite understand why no one in the open source world has built a distributed youtube already.
We have the perfect peer to peer technology to distribute the videos.
Youtube comments is a feature no one really wants.
The indexing bits looks a bit more complicated, but that is what DHTs are for.
Recommendation, subscription can be built as an overlay service.
I am surprised we haven't seen that happen already.
The slippery slope argument doesn't hold much water in this case as far as I'm concerned.
For one thing, this is regulating something obviously geared at making money. Even if we were to try to make this a First Amendment issue, that guarantees "free speech" not "I should be able to get paid for what I say".
Commercial speech should absolutely be regulated. Businesses are not citizens.
what the first amendment says
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Since when is YouTube the same as congress?
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
As the world just witnessed last 4 April, CNN story https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/04/us/youtube-hq-shooting/index.html
More than likely we need to move over to a torrent style video system and nas boxes with quick erase functions in case of raids. We will undoubtedly be labeled terrorists for wanting to watch non approved content.
I'm still waiting for the next gen torrents with anonymous cloud storage and with soloman tech and xor pieces such there is no content unless you have all the pieces. And pieces are shared among torrents of different content. It's all split across opaque cloud storage. (Imagine you xor a video of barney the dinosaur with a video on hacking an xbox.) In exchange for you donating storage and bandwidth you get to upvote content.
I'd like to point out that the previous post was the opinion of a single person.
While what he says is true, his explanations and descriptions are "correct, but not complete".
Firstly, there definitely are many nootropics one can take that enhance mental ability. As an example of this, a bottle of "5-hour energy"(*) is mostly Taurine and Tyrosine (and a little caffeine), two amino acids that you would get normally in your diet. There are quite a few things you can get that will have an effect,
Secondly, saying "the idea that there is a single non-food molecule that will make it work better is pretty-far fetched" is science by rationalization, it's how Aristotle came up with his laws of motion. A better way is to look at the evidence. What do the studies actually say?
Thirdly, not knowing the mechanism of action is not evidence of... well, it's not evidence of anything, really.
(I'm always astonished that our current medical field requires knowledge of the mechanism of action before allowing a drug on the market. I've come across treatments and potential cures that appear to work when based only on the evidence, yet can't be marketed because their mechanism of action is unknown.)
Medical research has stagnated, for about the last 30 years. The backlash from this is that people are trying things on their own in an attempt to find cures and to make their lives better. Supplements are only one of the ways people are responding.
Medical studies and the guidance of your local doctor would be nice, but the system is simply not set up for curing people or even trying something new.
Go online, look at what people recommend, and do some research:
a) Is the company selling the supplements of good reputation? (ie - do they stand behind the product, do they delist products that are poor quality?) There are definitely companies out there that value their reputation and standing within the community.
b) Is the supplement backed by studies? Lots of supplements actually *do* have studies, and while they may not show the complete picture, it will at least tell you how well the product is tolerated, and whether it has side effects.
c) Does the supplement have recommendations by doctors online? Lots and lots of doctors out there recommending one product or another, but beware of fake doctors. Many doctors will claim to be giving a supplement to their patients, which (if the claims are legit) would be further evidence of an effect, and of safety.
d) Are product reviews favorable? It's possible to fake a couple of reviews, but if something has over a hundred reviews and is received favorably, it's probably legitimately good. Check out the 1-star ratings and see if it's complaints about the product, or about the service.
e) Has the product been out long enough that side-effects would be reported? If something's been out for 5 years and lots of people are taking it... this is fair evidence that it's safe to try.
Do some research and try a "$30 experiment", see if it eases your "fibromyalgia" a little. Done right, there's really very little risk, and it's cheaper than going to a doctor.
(*) There are a lot of knock-off energy drinks that use other mechanisms, such as high sugar content. I'm talking specifically about the product "5-hour energy".
Careful. If that research is a few slick websites with results-are-not-typical testimonials this feeds the woo-verse that is filled with supplements, homeopathy, acupuncture, chiropractic and natural remedies all getting rich off $30 experiments while distracting people from what actually works.
If traditional medicine "actually worked", as you put it, people wouldn't need to desperately search for alternatives.
Just 'sayin...
" He interpreted this to mean the fact that his videos directed viewers to other websites to buy products. "
Isn't that what Google is doing with their advertising? Perhaps they don't want competition on YouTube.
I'm always astonished that our current medical field requires knowledge of the mechanism of action before allowing a drug on the market.
First off your statement is factually false. There is NO requirement that we understand the mechanism of action of a drug before bringing it to market. But there is a HUGE benefit to understanding the mechanism of action first. If you don't know how a drug works then you are basically doing science by guess and check which is usually stupid, slow, and frequently counterproductive. If you don't know how it works then you can't predict what sort of effects and side effects it might have on the body. You can waste huge amounts of money, brains, and time trying to test treatments that have no chance of success because you don't understand the underlying mechanism of action. Science is based on understanding what is happening so you can make testable predictions. Without that information you are basically trusting to luck.
There are many drugs on the market for which we do not have a complete understanding of their mechanism of action. Most drugs aimed at treating mental disorders fall into this category. We don't actually know why many of them work, just that they do. There is NO legal requirement that we understand the mechanism of action prior to approving a drug. Furthermore drugs can be used for off label purposes by a physician.
I've come across treatments and potential cures that appear to work when based only on the evidence, yet can't be marketed because their mechanism of action is unknown.
No you haven't because that isn't a requirement by the FDA. What cures? What "evidence"? Stop making up strawmen to support your bogus claims.
Medical research has stagnated, for about the last 30 years.
Complete bullshit. Medical research has made astonishing gains in the last thirty years. You could only believe this if you have not bothered to look for actual facts or if you are making an argument from ignorance.
You should discuss why all these people rely on a service for income without any contractual guarantee.
The vast majority of people in any job are "at will" employees which means they have no contractual guarantee of continued employment. Ever give a tip to the waitstaff at a restaurant? There is no contractual guarantee there. Why should people using YouTube have guarantees? They knew what the deal was when they signed up. If the deal changes they can't pretend that they didn't know that was a possibility.
We can probably guess why the channel was removed. Some of the videos seemed to be making medical claims about the drugs, and the descriptions had links where you could buy them...
It might also have something to do with what happened to Google back in 2011 , where they settled a case with the US Department of Justice regarding advertisements for rogue online pharmacies, for $500m.
Followed by a shareholder lawsuit regarding the same issue, which they settled for something like $250m.
The difference between medicine and alternative medicine, is that medicine actually works.
Just sayin'
Having my car repaired "just works".
Traditional medicine is more like: "try this and see if the symptoms go away".
And, yet, Youtube has no problem constantly spamming me with ads about sensual condoms in pre-roll or, worse, three minute long advertisements trying to recruit people into Scientology.
Youtube cunts can fuck right off.
So let's say someone does go the IndieWeb route to replace YouTube. What means would you recommend for a small-time video producer to sell preroll ad time and promote the videos to people who have watched videos with similar subject matter?
YouTube has a bad case of stage IV PC cancer, with no chance for recover. Other platforms are going to mine its corpse for valuable resources (i.e. producers and viewers), and Google is going to scratch its head over how to bury the monstrous skeleton that's gonna be left behind.
The nootropics YouTubers don't know why YouTube penalized them.
Obviously the nootropics don't work well enough to give the users/advocates tthe cognitive ability to figure it out.
There is a narcotic drug that has been out there awhile and it is plaguing our society, often used most by STEM types, and it causes; tremors, anxiety, irritability, sleep deprivation, over active bladder and racing thoughts among other things. It is so addictive that many cannot function without it and withdrawal symptoms are severe. We need to do something about trimethylxanthine before it is too late! Someone please think of the children!
After 3 months of 4x a week 500mg a day I had withdrawals. Mainly some anxiety and complete inability to sleep for 4 days. And so I learned a lesson about Gaba drugs to be repeated with diclazepam twice weekly a few months later although in milder form. If you take them to go to sleep for extended periods of time, expect to pay for it later.
But ALL drugs, OTC, from the doctor, etc will have negative side effects and we're not little children to be withheld cookies so we don't spoil our dinner. If you RTFM, you should be able to purchase/use anything because often time the medical professionals are stabbing the dark just like you are.