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Microsoft Works To Port Ubuntu To Windows ARM (neowin.net)
Billly Gates shares a report: It was this time last year that Microsoft announced that it was bringing Ubuntu to the Windows Store (now the Microsoft Store), along with other Linux distributions. If you check out the app in the Store now though, you'll find that it only works on x64 devices, meaning that you can't run it on any of the new Windows 10 on ARM PCs. That's all about to change though. In a session at Microsoft's Build 2018 developer conference today called Windows 10 on ARM for Developers, the company showed off Ubuntu running on an ARM PC, with the app coming from the Microsoft Store. It will finally support ARM64 PCs, although x86 devices are still out of luck.
It's not "running Linux" by definition, because Linux is only a kernel and it is completely absent. Instead, MS is providing an emulation of the Linux syscall interface enabling unaltered Linux applications to run.
(That said, this will probably prove to be the simplest way of running "Linux" on an ARM laptop, thanks to the joys of ARM SoC vendors not providing sane drivers..)
...and why would you buy an x86 desktop or laptop to run Linux under Windows Subsystem for Linux? If you're talking about low power embedded hardware then that's got to be a VERY niche use case.
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Microsoft's long history makes them untrustworthy. I think we should be very skeptical of relying on any technology out of Redmond, and view it as a potential trap.
It seems obvious that MS would like every Linux computer to have a copy of Windows installed. And for people to run their favorite Linux application along side Office 365 or whatever. I can't really blame them, it's a reasonable business strategy. But once MS has power over a market they aren't likely to act in their customer's best interests. Ultimately us consumers need to be cautious of what bargains we strike.
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Microsoft isn't shipping any on their own hardware. Asus & HP are releasing some of these "Always Connected PCs."
Who's using Microsoft Works to port an operating system? It could barely do simple word processing! Maybe one of the bajillion wizards or templates is for porting.
Congress or the military I'd reckon.
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I realize some of you have not yet switched to linux. I believe that the time is now, the microsoft and apple operating systems are simply unfit for most actual use cases due to spying, corporate shenannigans and general untrustworthyness.
Linux will not spy on you, has a low overhead, an extremely high uptime, better security, and tends to keep their applications small and useful.
The benefits stretch far into the horizon beyond the points I have brought up. It really is time to just get rid of the spyware and start using a machine properly to get work done. We all want to make money and having issues with updates, instability, lack of control, spying etc etc etc just keep costing more and more money while delivering fewer results.
If you are a business, a private institution or an individual the reasons to have windows are running out rapidly.
Linux is easy to install, has wide driver and printer support (at present wider support than microsoft, though not apple as apple is now based off the linux kernal), and by default assumes you are in control of your own machine which you purchased vs your machine simply being a physical dongle to connect to a corporations walled services.
If games are eliminated as well as specialty applications (which should have been web based and not installed applications to begin with) then what reason is left to run such an abusive thing upon your hardware?
Also, MS is currently downplaying the significance of the ARM systems:
https://www.windowscentral.com...
This together with Qualcomm having to tighten it's belt all around, I wouldn't expect them to last long as a product line... again... (See Surface RT)
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And creepy... There must be a carcinogen in the code.
What's M$ business model to spent shareholders money on this?
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That's exactly what Microsoft does. They have a guaranteed revenue stream, and they've been trying to convert that into dominant positions in various other related industries. They've had success with the console market after burning an insane amount of money, they've failed repeatedly in the phone market after burning even more money, and it seems like they're achieving a pretty comfortable position in the tablet market. Microsoft can certainly afford to hire all of the talent that they want, and they actually do not want for qualified engineers. Also, this is not exactly novel ground here, it's the exact same type of work that was done to create WSL. Money may not solve every problem in the world, but it's actually a pretty effective way to get things done, and there's no reason to believe that this would be an exception.
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Because as someone who has used nothing but floss software since 2004, my girlfriend is angry at me because I am ethically opposed to installing excell while she thinks libre Office is the biggest pile of crap she has ever seen and thinks it's still lacking functionality from 1993. You can change the libre Office/ms Office juxtaposition for pretty much any software comparison probably. I know when I began I was frustrated at the lack of decent CAD tools. 14 years later the offerings have not improved in the slightest degree. When you are prepared to tinker floss is great. Even fun. For most it's a stinking steaming pile of half assed crap. Crap I love using.
So... if they're posting this in the Windows store... and the Microsoft Surface 1, which has been a dead-end device for years, has access to the Microsoft store... *checks Tegra 3 architecture* ...goddamnit.
I might actually consider a Windows shell that runs on Ubuntu, but an Ubuntu shell running on Windows, yeah, no thanks. The broken bits are still non-optional.
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>> I have the Ubuntu logo tattooed on my arm.
Perhaps you should have your tatoo removed or modified before Ubuntu is synonym of Bluescreen
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>> How about working on enabling 64-bit Windows apps to run on ARM?
Why would you ever do that? Recompile your programs to run natively.
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How about working on enabling 64-bit Windows apps to run on ARM?
64-bit ARM programs do run. 64-bit x86 programs do not
Is it difficult?
Yes, getting an x86-64 emulator working well enough that you can enable it for end users and expect stuff to work out of the box turns out to be a nontrivial problem.
They could hire the top 1000 programmers in the world
I very much doubt that there are 1,000 programmers with experience working on high performance binary translation (I'd actually be quite surprised if there are 100). If they don't have this expertise, then you need to train them. That takes time to do and it takes developer time away from the people who do already have the expertise. It improves bandwidth but not latency (i.e. you won't get the product out of the door quicker).
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Open source works very well when you have either a relatively small number of customers, who have a sufficient need that they will fund development directly, or when you have a large number of customers with sufficiently different needs that they all want to pay someone to add the specific features that they need. There are also some half-way steps that are convenient for a lot of companies. A number of big companies don't really use MS Office in important places, they use a custom stack that happens to be implemented on top of the MS Office platform. They get some of the benefits of open source (it can be customised for their use) and those are the ones that they care the most about.
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What we need is a full support of Windows apps on Linux...and then throw Windows away.
actually if bandai namco and a few others make linux versions of their games by default id already be willing lol, but i got a license key for win10 on a superbargain for about €20 so i guess that's an actual decent price for an obese OS to give my rig heart attacks and make it sweat ... i dont really understand why anyone would want to run ubuntu in a window, and actually if you do isnt it possible to just run a virtualbox ?
dunno, never did it
directx is the only thing windows has left imo, anything else doesnt even need ported windows apps, i couldnt think of one that doesnt exist in one version or another for linux
(well not the ones i use anyway lol)
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It wouldn't be that difficult, but Microsoft probably doesn't feel that it's important. Running applications under emulation is always going to be slower than running native ones. 64-bit Windows applications are mostly ones that are still under active development, so it's not that difficult for the developers to do native ARM builds. Aside from device drivers, if the code is written correctly it shouldn't require much more than just building it for a different architecture.
What the 32-bit emulation is really meant for is legacy applications that can't be easily replaced, often because they are no longer under development. The company that developed it may no longer exist, the source code may not be available, or there just aren't enough people still using it for anybody to bother. Those objections are far less likely to apply to 64-bit applications.