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FedEx Sees Blockchain as 'Next Frontier' For Logistics (bloomberg.com)

Convinced that blockchain is on the brink of transforming the package-delivery business, FedEx is testing the technology to track large, higher-value cargo. From a report: "We're quite confident that it has big, big implications in supply chain, transportation and logistics," Chief Executive Officer Fred Smith said at a blockchain conference in New York. "It's the next frontier that's going to completely change worldwide supply chains." Blockchain uses computer code to record every step of a transaction and delivery in a permanent digital ledger, providing transparency. The ledger can't be changed unless all involved agree, reducing common disputes over issues like time stamps, payments and damages. FedEx's interest in blockchain and the Internet of Things are part of the company's strategy to improve customer service and fend off competition, Smith said.

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  1. The only thing this helps... by greenwow · · Score: 1

    is if you don't trust FedEx's information to not change and the ledger is made public with enough nodes so FedEx can't do a 51% attack. With that said, we've had several packages where FedEx changed history on tracking so they created this trust problem in the first place.

    1. Re:The only thing this helps... by taiwanjohn · · Score: 1

      My question is: will the transaction time be an issue? I haven't been following crypto-currencies very closely, but the impression I got was that this was becoming an obstacle. Has that issue been solved already?

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    2. Re:The only thing this helps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who cares, this is just to send their stock up

    3. Re:The only thing this helps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Keep the chain for each shipment hot and transaction times art an issue. Now if the want one Cain per customer then there might be trouble with bigger shippers eventually.

    4. Re:The only thing this helps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blockchain doesn't scale well, it's a known issue without a solution.

    5. Re:The only thing this helps... by llamalad · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ah, trust problems and FedEx....

      A few years ago I sold a car part online. Shipped it off and a couple weeks later I got an stressed-out email from the buyer asking where his purchase was.

      Checked tracking... it had gotten to a FedEx facility in Ohio and within a few days of my shipping it and was never seen or heard from again.

      FedEx made me wait (what seemed like forever to the buyer) so they could investigate before they'd pay the insurance claim on a lost package.

      Waited, waited, waited. Finally they got back to me saying it had been delivered in July. Trouble is, I shipped my package in August (and the date I generated the label and all the tracking before it disappeared indicated this).

      It was a shockingly long and tedious argument with their agent saying it was delivered and me trying to figure out whether they used a souped up Delorean or a Tardis or what to deliver it a month before I shipped it.

      In the end they finally paid out the insurance claim on the lost package, but they made the experience so completely terrible that I've never shipped with FedEx since.

    6. Re:The only thing this helps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is just corporate buzzword bullshit

      Blockchain uses computer code to record every step of a transaction and delivery in a permanent digital ledger

      FedEx already does this. Its called a tracking number. At each step along the way, a barcode is scanned and automagically entered into a database. Each and every package has to be scanned, otherwise you have no way of knowing where the package is. Using unicorn fairy dust blockchain doesn't change anything from the way it is currently done.

      The ledger can't be changed unless all involved agree, reducing common disputes over issues like time stamps, payments and damages.

      Why would there be disputes, unless you are currently fudging the information attached to your tracking numbers?

    7. Re:The only thing this helps... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      With that said, we've had several packages where FedEx changed history on tracking so they created this trust problem in the first place.

      The last package I got via FedEx was like that. They changed the tracking data. I was hammering refresh wondering where my stuff was, so I noticed first-hand.

      They could save themselves the trouble of dicking with blockchain by just not being liars.

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    8. Re: The only thing this helps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which crypto firm are you employed with? Ohhh. Youâ(TM)re not. Another armchair expert. Please elaborate on your definition of the âproblem â. Donâ(TM)t be afraid to use industry terminology, we can understand it.

      No need to dumb it down down down like your first informational insight.

    9. Re: The only thing this helps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Send an explosive with a gps trigger and timer. It better arrive on time ;)

    10. Re:The only thing this helps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With that said, we've had several packages where FedEx changed history on tracking so they created this trust problem in the first place.

      The last package I got via FedEx was like that. They changed the tracking data. I was hammering refresh wondering where my stuff was, so I noticed first-hand.

      They could save themselves the trouble of dicking with blockchain by just not being liars.

      Oh, they're changing tracking info on us, huh? Used to be, I could see that a package from Dallas to San Antonio got sent back to Austin again before delivery because it was a day early.

    11. Re:The only thing this helps... by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      "They could save themselves the trouble of dicking with blockchain by just not being liars."

      Stop lying? You're perilously close to attacking American core values there, citizen.

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    12. Re:The only thing this helps... by sexconker · · Score: 1

      A "blockchain" is a ledger of transactions. That's it. It scales however well you want it to.

      If you talk to speculators and crytpo pump-and-dumpers, they'll tell you that BITCOIN specifically has a "scaling problem", but that's only because they want to push you to Ethereum because it's going to switch to proof of stake (i.e, the rich get richer with no effort), their shitty ICO (an outright scam), or some other scamcoin they have a premine on (again, an outright scam).

      Further, Bitcoin only has a "scaling problem" if you want to use it for stupid shit like high frequency trading. Bitcoin is specifically designed to PREVENT that kind of bullshit. Transactions take time to sync on PURPOSE, so every user can fairly transact using a globally distributed and up-to-date copy of the entire block chain without any manipulation by a central authority.

      Contrast that to the stock market, where the big boys have special access and are able to essentially siphon off of every profitable exchange.

      Or contrast it to the networks of Visa/etc. (and the issuing banks) that handle however many millions of transactions per day, but serve as a central authority that takes a cut of every transaction, has the power to manipulate the "money" (debt) in their network, and takes a cut on the debt settlement end with ridiculous APRs.

      Bitcoin isn't trying to supplant Visa/etc. Some service based on Bitcoin could try, but just as with Visa/etc., they'd be the central authority for the transactions they process and the debts they track on their own network. The Bitcoin network won't be bothered with the goings on of their bullshit until it came time for them to actually receive or send Bitcoin when someone wants to move funds out of their network.

    13. Re: The only thing this helps... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Send an explosive with a gps trigger and timer. It better arrive on time ;)

      Or, to dial it down a notch, something that will decay and start giving off an incredibly bad smell after a week.

      And they thought those small holes in the package were decorative...

    14. Re: The only thing this helps... by llamalad · · Score: 1

      Do you like being taken to prison?

      Because this is how you get taken to prison.

  2. the next frontier for fedex... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is getting purchased by amazon or driven into obscurity because the people sending the packages will own the transmission system
    vertical integration bitches

  3. Because Blockchain! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The stock reportedly rose 4000% on the news of Blockchain!

    1. Re:Because Blockchain! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be 40 times. So if it sold at $100 per share it's now selling at $4,000 per share?

      I think you better check your math.

    2. Re:Because Blockchain! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be 40 times. So if it sold at $100 per share it's now selling at $4,000 per share?

      I think you better check your math.

      Yes, you are correct. He probably meant to say 4,000,000%.

    3. Re:Because Blockchain! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The stock reportedly rose 4000% on the news of Blockchain!

      So Blockchain has turned out to be a BlockBuster for Fedex?

  4. I bet they did by ArhcAngel · · Score: 1

    They looked out on the horizon and saw IBM coming for them.

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  5. I don't pay FedEx to track, I pay them to deliver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't care what tracking they do internally. I care if I receive the package.

    If FedEx has a problem with its internal shipping guys, blockchain isn't going to make Fred the Package Stealer suddenly behave - he can scan the blockchain bar code just as easily as he scans the centralized bar code.

    This MIGHT allow them to use say, Billy's UberX to make some local deliveries / do intermediate steps, but it comes down to trust. Someone is liable if it goes missing. FedEx is still liable to me. FedEx knows it handed the package to Billy.

  6. So... let's use the entire electircal output... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of Iceland because we don't trust Fed Ex and can't find another company we can trust.
    Brilliant. freak'n brilliant.

    1. Re:So... let's use the entire electircal output... by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Will blockchain stop them from lying about "We went to your house and you weren't there" whenever they can't meet their 48-hour delivery garantee?

      If not then what does this actually help? Are they going to make their ledger public domain and pay tens of thousands of non-Fedex miners to work 24/7 on the signatures to make sure there's too much external computing power for a Fedex employee to be able to falsify any information.

      Because if not ... "blockchain" is just another buzzword that a manager is using to get himself a new office.

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    2. Re:So... let's use the entire electircal output... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi!
      I'm an Anonymous Coward because I'm a FedEx driver and I'd rather not be tracked back home.

      If the delivery is coming FedEx Express, call the 800 number and have them set up a trace. All the handhelds are GPS'd now so manglement can look up where the drivers put the DEX8 (customer not in) scan. The trucks are now starting to be GPSd.
      If it's FedEx Ground, same deal. call in a trace, if the contractor doesn't prove his case properly, he's hit with a huge fine.

      Falsification is a huge hotbutton issue right now at FedEx....
      Also, one last thing... do you think I, as a driver, want to go back to your house a second time? Hell no! I want to drop your package off and MOVE! I hate having to go to the same address 2, 3, even 4 times because someones too lazy to sign a door tag (if it's an indirect signature/international) or isn't home (and the package is direct/adult signature). The less I bring back today means the less I have to deal with tomorrow.

    3. Re:So... let's use the entire electircal output... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Maybe... No reason why you couldn't mount something on your front door that digitally signs for stuff using your private key. Then they can sign a timestamp to prove they were there, and it can send you a notification in real time.

      It could also record if they actually rang the doorbell and how many seconds later you opened the door. They could double sign to prove they waited at least 30 seconds.

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    4. Re:So... let's use the entire electircal output... by tommeke100 · · Score: 1

      Blockchain doesn't mean public. Hyperledger for example is mainly focused on private distributed ledgers.
      But it could really help if different companies and agents are involved in the shipping of a package.
      You don't need super computer power either to add new blocks to the chain. That's just how it's done with crypto-currencies, but you can use different consensus algorithms that do no need a bit-crunching operation.

  7. "We can't be trusted!" isn't a selling point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If FedEx needs blockchain verification of package delivery, they're fucked.

    The packages are either delivered or they're not. If the package is delivered, no one cares. If it isn't, having a blockchain-verified "It wasn't my fault!" from FedEx doesn't matter. It just means the shipper uses UPS the next time - exactly the same as not having a blockchain-verified transcript

    1. Re:"We can't be trusted!" isn't a selling point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The packages are either delivered or they're not. If the package is delivered, no one cares.

      Well, there IS the whole thing of delivery dates. And they would just claim that it HAD been delivered - like USPS with Amazon Prime 2-day packages, for example, that always seem to take 3 to 4 days.

    2. Re:"We can't be trusted!" isn't a selling point by vtcodger · · Score: 1

      Unless they are planning to compete with Registered Mail for the tiny market segment of shipping material whose provenance must be traceable, I have some trouble seeing why Fedex would bother with blockchain.

      Might be useful for airline small package services which are a traditional and time tested tool for losing objects one never wants to see again. Rumor has it that Jimmy Hoffa's body was shipped hoem by an airline small package service.

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  8. BUY BUY BUY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any company that says "blockchain" is a BUY!

  9. Pros and Cons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In terms of handling the packages, a block chain can be used to identify every location, every time frame, every employee, every vehicle involved in the delivery. That is a PRO.

    If FedEx even attempts to require some form of Crypto currency be used as payment, then as many have said already: "They will be subject to a military attack".

    Crypto currencies are a far bigger threat than climate change, and A.I. combined.

    1. Re:Pros and Cons by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      every location, every time frame, every employee can slow things down at big hubs or pass though points there it stays in a big crate till detestation.

    2. Re: Pros and Cons by Lanthanide · · Score: 1

      They already can do that. If they aren't already, it's because they've chosen not to.

  10. My workplace passed a rule you can't use FedEx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because FedEx gives a discount to NRA members. Total pointless gesture by overpaid bureaucrats. FedEX sucks ass though, so I'm not mad.

    1. Re:My workplace passed a rule you can't use FedEx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because FedEx gives a discount to NRA members. Total pointless gesture by overpaid bureaucrats. FedEX sucks ass though, so I'm not mad.

      Cool. I didn't know that. I'll use FedEx next time.

      I fucking dare you to post your company's name. We can then identify and notify all your clients and customers that your employer works to undermine constitutionally-guaranteed rights.

      I bet you ain't got the balls to do that, you chickenshit jackass.

    2. Re: My workplace passed a rule you can't use FedEx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look at the badass AC over here.

    3. Re:My workplace passed a rule you can't use FedEx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The company is Concerned Women for America, it's a nonprofit so knock yourself out. It's not like you're going to do anything anyway.

    4. Re:My workplace passed a rule you can't use FedEx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called the free market, you communist shitlord.

    5. Re:My workplace passed a rule you can't use FedEx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The company is Concerned Women for America, it's a nonprofit so knock yourself out. It's not like you're going to do anything anyway.

      Typical progtard (but I repeat myself) lying sack of shit:

      At its core, the CWA identifies itself as an organization in opposition of feminism that speaks for evangelical women who feel that the national feminist movement does not support their interests.

      Sure doesn't sound like a group that would have any problems with the NRA.

    6. Re:My workplace passed a rule you can't use FedEx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's called the free market, you communist shitlord.

      Works both ways, dumbass.

      Like I said, I'm sure your employer has a lot of clients and/or customers who would not agree with a secret decision not to use FedEx simply because they support constitutionally-guaranteed rights.

      Grow a brain.

    7. Re:My workplace passed a rule you can't use FedEx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All the people with money are in blue states. If hill billy cretins tried to boycott, nothing of value would be lost.

    8. Re: My workplace passed a rule you can't use FedEx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Under which section of the constitution is the NRA mentioned?
      You do realise that it's possible to not support the NRA (and companies that support them) and still be in favor of the 2nd amendment, right? Or are you too busy sucking on gun barrels like they were the cocks you so desperately crave to notice?
      And when you call up FedEx to ask them where the fuck your package is that's 3 months late, and they refuse to tell you, I hope you applaud them for their support of the 5th.

  11. This is not about the "crypto currency" by stikves · · Score: 2

    This is about having a valid chain of trust. If all parties agree on a public ledger of transactions on the package logistics then the issues on disputes / lost items etc will go down.

    The blockchains brought us bitcoin and similar "currencies", however they also brought a way to have a public eye on transactions. Like financial markets, package logistics is a complex business and having all parties agree upon terms and actions might really be useful.

    (btw i think I might have some fedex stock, so a disclosure here is probably necessary).

    1. Re:This is not about the "crypto currency" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, the fact that they have to use blockchain to make sure people aren't changing tracking info looks really bad for them! Remind me never to use FedEx! How about just having a regular old non-blockchain database, but not allowing every seasonal contractor to make edits? This is like if they said they were going to mandate breathalizers for all drivers to ensure sobriety. Sure, we all want our delivery men to be sober, but really all one can wonder is how much on the job drinking is going on at this place that would make something so wasteful seem necessary?

    2. Re:This is not about the "crypto currency" by jythie · · Score: 1

      Would this do anything to change that though? I have not heard of anyone complaining about FedEx changing data, but instead bad data getting into their system in the first place.

    3. Re:This is not about the "crypto currency" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're just saying buzzwords to raise the stockprice. People nut over the word blockchain.

    4. Re:This is not about the "crypto currency" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That sounds like a nice step forward in terms of dispute resolution, but I just don't get the hype around blockchain and logistics, that it is going to somehow spur a revolution in the industry. We already have real-time tracking information on package movements through any of the large carriers.

  12. Re:I don't pay FedEx to track, I pay them to deliv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you don't pay fedex for shit
    if you had customers you'd sure as hell be paying for tracking
    they don'tknow or care how to login to a webzone and would rather hassle a cs rep

  13. Which blockchain? by jdavidb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Blockchain uses computer code to record every step of a transaction and delivery in a permanent digital ledger, providing transparency

    Strange - I've been familiar with how blockchain technology works since 2012, and that doesn't sound like blockchain technology to me. Maybe they mean that they have developed some sort of custom enhancement? Couldn't they just record all this in their own database? Being light on specifics it's hard to see how blockchain technology is helping them at all here, unless it's to raise their stock price by throwing around the latest technology buzzwords without knowing what they mean.

    1. Re: Which blockchain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, see, you canâ(TM)t change a block chain. So when FedEx loses your package they can point to the block chain and say see, it was delivered. Because everybody knows you canâ(TM)t just rewrite a block chain with a modified version.

    2. Re:Which blockchain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you don't understand how a blockchain could be used to make a permanent, transparent digital ledger then apparently you don't know as much about how blockchain technology works as you thought you did.

    3. Re:Which blockchain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it is probably Blockchain. Blockchain isn't limited to immaginary money. There's even an app for consensual sex that both parties have to sign and it's simply stored in Blockchain.

    4. Re:Which blockchain? by TFlan91 · · Score: 1

      What I do not understand about all these companies using blockchain to provide all these transparent services is this:

      Correct me if I'm wrong, please, but doesn't 50.000...0001% of the network decide what is the current, valid blockchain? If a company owns the entire network, then there is no real "transparency", as they can just change the records whenever they want and say "See look! Our in-house blockchain network says it was always like this, then it must be true."

      I may be completely missing the mark on what they would use though...

    5. Re: Which blockchain? by Lanthanide · · Score: 1

      That app is bogus anyway.

      Consent is an ongoing process, it can be withdrawn at any time. The app can therefore only record an initial consent, and nothing more. Anyone thinking it protects them from anything is seriously deluded (pretty easy to imagine a case of a woman using the app under duress, too).

    6. Re:Which blockchain? by hey! · · Score: 1

      It's just a more expensive, and complicated way of doing the job that has the advantage of being buzzword compliant.

      There's always rampant engineering malpractice in these technology fads, with guys padding their resumes rather than solving real problems. In this case you also have management angling to snag gullible investors and customers, but you expect managers to have no ethics.

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    7. Re:Which blockchain? by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      Yes, the network is what secures the blockchain. I'm not sure who would run network nodes outside of FedEx, maybe their larger customers?

    8. Re: Which blockchain? by M0j0_j0j0 · · Score: 1

      It is a replicated mysql network where everyone has to agree on the insert, and lost the previleges for update and delete. There you go

    9. Re:Which blockchain? by ath1901 · · Score: 1

      I can't help you with any more information. The "article" was awfully light. I came here hoping to find more technical details but lacking that, I can at least guess.

      The article indicates that they might be interested in the transparency and traceability of a digital ledger. If so, they don't a full blown blockchain with mining and stuff, just a simple digital ledger with one hash per set of documents in a transaction and a head hash. When a package changes hands, the sender and receiver sign the transaction by hashing all the relevant documents and computing a new head hash (which is published to their respective employers and one or more third parties). If there is a later dispute, both parties can verify that no documents have been altered or are missing by recreating the chain. It could be a cheaper and more practical alternative to keeping copies of every single document in triples or quadruples.

    10. Re:Which blockchain? by tricorn · · Score: 1

      I've always assumed the point of "blockchain technology" is that you'd commit a block of transactions, authenticated by a digital signature of whoever is attesting that the information is correct. It's "blockchain" because each new entry includes a reference to the previous entry's hash code. Each new entry locks in all the previous entries. In that sense, it's just a variant of git. If you change an earlier entry, it's made obvious because the hash code doesn't match or the signature doesn't validate, at some point in the chain.

      If the entire database can be downloaded by anyone, then multiple copies of it will exist. The only thing needed to validate the entire chain is the hash code of the last entry. If that entry disappears (i.e. the hash code changes), then everyone knows that something is up, and one of the copies can be checked to see where the discrepancy is. If you want to archive a particular transaction, you can simply save the block(s) that it appears in, which proves that it existed in that form at some point in time.

      The only way to change a previous entry without setting off alarms is to put in an amended entry as a new transaction.

      You'd still have a normal database with all the current data, for fast lookup, but that database can be verified against the chain by anyone.

      I don't know that's what people tossing around buzzwords mean, but that's how I'd use "blockchain technology". Note that it doesn't use "mining" in any sense, everything can go through one central point, the transparency comes from the publication of the chain so that at all times it can be verified. It only relies on the security of the hash code algorithm and the signing algorithm.

    11. Re:Which blockchain? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Would you trust their database? With a Blockchain is harder for them to lie, and easier to deflect lawsuits claiming they lied.

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    12. Re:Which blockchain? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      This is not about trust of third parties, this is about trust and management of internal data, the blockchain and ledger replacing traditional databases with integrity checking and verification on the way.

    13. Re:Which blockchain? by jdavidb · · Score: 1

      Not if they are the only people mining their chain.

  14. humerous, suspicious, and curious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I find it interesting when healthcare and logistics gigacorps announce they will be using blockchain for seemingly one of the things it's actually good for. Interesting because they would never in a million years actually use it the way required to gain the benefit touted.

    Since TFA is about logistics, let's dig into that. The main benefits of blockchain for logistics is having every node along a supply chain use it. Thus, when ACME meats does a query to get data about BigHay Feedco's shipment #1234 of feed, they get the data from bale #425 which is part of that, which came from farmer #4867, field #6, on 2018/05/12 and the water quality/environmental testing data of AssuranceCo for field #6 on that date can also be pulled. Each node along the way can use the data they are interested in how they want, and it's all on the chain so no one is marshaling queries and you have integrity assurance.

    If only ACME meats publishes data on the finished product, and it's on a chain only used by ACME meats and no other meatco, all of those nifty benefits go away. It's useless.

    The biggest benefit of a blockchain in such a complex market chain, is to bring information parity to the consumer, where right now, there is usually a singular player with assymmetric market information, the gigacorp. And that's exactly how they became a gigacorp, exploiting information asymmetry in the market. So for one to claim they will be using blockchain to do something that would have them start playing fair and give up their big capitalist cheat code is absurd.

  15. Re:and fedex can make there 1099 drivers pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they can also teach you the difference between 'there' and 'their'.

  16. I'm thinking about.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm thinking about putting my ween on the blockchain! It would be decentralized, so more of the ladies would have access to it!!
    Then comes the Lambo's!!!!
    And the fall of the entire banking system!!!!

    Buttcoin!

  17. Re:and fedex can make there 1099 drivers pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe they can also teach you the difference between 'there' and 'their'.

    I doubt it.

    A decade of elementary school didn't.

  18. Re:and fedex can make there 1099 drivers pay by Luckyo · · Score: 2

    "Work done" can be confirmation from both client and driver that delivery was made rather than mining.

    This is actually an interesting idea. Transparency within the system is one of the key weak points in logistical tracking today.

  19. Look our solution found a problem! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ass-backwards IT bullshit. But it beats doing real work eh guys?

  20. Blockchain is Dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blockchain is a dead technology. First off, it started as a scam to make someone very, very rich. Put an Anarchist manifesto behind it to attract gullible rubes. Then once it takes off, let thousands of people make their own blockchains in hopes of becoming rich. Pump and dump. Pump and dump. Wash, rinse, repeat.

    To top it all off, make sure to drain power grids by mining what's only exists in the imagination. California and Nevada can't supply enough electricity to cool buildings, while these crypto Bozos are using enough electricity to power Iceland.

    An honest review from someone who has never bought into the system and likely will never do so.

  21. another "standard" by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 1

    They cannot even agree on a standard exchange of status reports. Ignoring all other standards (like X12, RosettaNet, UBL, ...), just looking at the logistics companies who use UN/EDIFACT IFTSTA messages to report a status. They all use it differently, in some cases even not even adhering to the standards as defined by the format.

  22. Server cost? by jythie · · Score: 1

    So.. is this just some cynical ploy to get their customers to foot the bill for server costs rather than pay to have someone maintain a traditional database with redundancy? I fail to see how this helps with 'transparency' when they would be the ones actually inputting all the transactions, so they can still put garbage in.

  23. Re: and fedex can make there 1099 drivers pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you mine block chains? Or are you confusing mining crypto currency?

  24. Re:I don't pay FedEx to track, I pay them to deliv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you don't pay fedex for shit
    if you had customers you'd sure as hell be paying for tracking
    they don'tknow or care how to login to a webzone and would rather hassle a cs rep

    So, hypothetically, if they delivered the package that's supposed to go to your Boise branch office to the bottom of the Mariana Trench, with a fully digitally signed tracking ledger... would you pay them?

    You're not paying for tracking. You're paying for delivery. Tracking is just live status of your delivery. It's not the product.

  25. Re: and fedex can make there 1099 drivers pay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes. The chain of custody of evidence. Few are self authenticating.

  26. Re: So... let's use the entire electircal output.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As stated high value assets. You donâ(TM)t know what that is with your cheap 5k purchase.

  27. Re: So... let's use the entire electircal output.. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    Aaaand blockchain helps, how, exactly?

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  28. Worst EDI compliance by bad-badtz-maru · · Score: 1

    Fedex Freight fails to send EDI on roughly 2% of what we ship with them. Apparently this is due to mis-keying information off the shipping documents. Who cares about blockchain when they're still using manual keying of shipping reference data?

  29. Just fix your delivery service! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of looking into Blockchain, how about FedEx look into why they can't get parcels to people reliably?

    In my experience they are the absolute worst. I've had them deliver packages to the wrong address (should be impossible since GPS location won't match the delivery address), claim attempted deliveries that never occurred and not allow me to pick my package up at a FedEx location.

  30. hyperbole by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    "(Blockchain will)....completely change worldwide supply chains"

    So we're going to have a code that essentially encapsulates a record of everything that happens during a shipment? Wow I'm so excited.

    While blockchain may be slightly* more convenient and concise....this is ALREADY how logistics works.

    There is a clear chain of documentation, signatures, and custody from the origin to the destination. For international ocean shipments that may go by truck, then train, then truck again, then ship, then truck, then train, then truck to final delivery this can be a fairly laborious set of documents but I can assure it's absolutely concise - indicating PRECISELY from whom, to whom, and when each of those transfers takes place. Likewise on these documents are tracked the seal numbers which prevent opening/tampering enroute.

    Yes, when most of these documents became electronic, life became a lot easier (I started in the business when basically it was all faxes); likewise sure, I believe blockchain will have significant limitations in what it can encode* meaning we're STILL going to have to have an old-fashioned documentary trail to capture completely all the possible variable. So now we have 2 systems where there was one: blockchain tracking optimally 95% of shipments but 5% still requiring the documentary infrastructure. Is that "better"? I'm not sure.

    *the real-life variability is...high: I've known of shipments that didn't deliver because the truck driver diverted enroute to commit himself into a mental institution. Or another shipment where the container couldn't be returned empty to the depot because it had become a crime scene where two stowaways from Italy had frozen to death in the nose of a container going to Minneapolis in January. TBH they probably starved to death before they froze, their little backpack of sandwiches and couple jugs of water = not enough for a 4-5 week transit time. I doubt blockchain will have a comprehensive code for those.

    Just my $0.02. Been in international logistics nearly 30 years.

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    1. Re:hyperbole by ath1901 · · Score: 1

      What if the purpose of the digital ledger is to resolve disputes and not replacing the documents? You would use it to verify all documents that were used in a certain transaction are both unmodified and present. You can't say "X never arrived" because then you can't recreate the hash. From your experience, would such a system be an improvement or just redundant?

      I know "blockchain technology" has been discussed for various forms of registries like property ownership but I believe they are mostly interested in a digital ledger and not a full blown blockchain. For property ownership, it helps to know all the documents that were in the original transaction are present and unmodified. I suppose you could also use it to transfer stuff (like you do with coins) and thus prevent people from selling things twice or selling things they don't own. But, when listening to people who work with such registries, just knowing everything is there in the original form would be very welcome.

    2. Re:hyperbole by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      Where are those documents stored? How hard is it to 'lose' some of them or change them later?

    3. Re:hyperbole by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      I agree that sure, it might be useful?

      But the title of my post was 'hyperbole' - this will not "completely change" anything.

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  31. We are totally and utterly fucked... by Daneel+Olivaw+R.+ · · Score: 1

    when people in a (former) tech news site don't know that there is difference between blockchain and bitcoin, and not all blockchain ledgers need Proof of Work (aka mining) for consensus.

    1. Re:We are totally and utterly fucked... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      new tech like holochain doesn't even need consensus at all

  32. Re: So... let's use the entire electircal output.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) blockchain buzzword
    2) ???
    3) profit

  33. Re:I don't pay FedEx to track, I pay them to deliv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yo go mail a letter at the post office try to track it
    then realize you have to buy the upsell to any other mail class to track because that shits a value add service
    note how ur paying for tracking
    when bestbuy sells you insurance on a blueray no fucking shit its not the product

  34. Re: So... let's use the entire electircal output.. by sexconker · · Score: 1

    And you don't know what an apostrophe is with your overpriced iOS device.

    Jove640k makes a correct observation. Blockchain technology won't do bupkis for FedEx because FedEx's problems won't be solved by a ledger. A blockchain is simply a ledger.

  35. just wonder by umghhh · · Score: 1

    in any sufficiently big system there are wholes which may make your records go missing, not lost just not being identifiable is enough. On my last encounter with KLM they did it to me - claiming I was not on outbound flight which due to no show up policy cost me dearly on return. Situations like this are not common but can be tragic to persons affected. In my case these were just few hundred of my hard earned money. What about systems that claim you did something that you did not do or vice versa? Smaller the chances bigger the loss because nobody will believe that super duper secure system has had a whole big enough for a human to slip through. Yet it eventually happens. There is no completely secure and completely transparent system that is completely accurate. It is not really a problem with the technology. It is a problem with human mind that says black swans do not exist and cannot process statistical data.

  36. not a solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A blockchain is only as good as the information put in it. The problem with disputes Is often what places like fedex employees enter is outright lies. having those lies stamped and recorded forever in a blockchain doesn't suddenly make them trustworthy

  37. Re: So... let's use the entire electircal output.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blockchain cures cancer and ends world hunger...

  38. I really, really wish for this by reboot246 · · Score: 1

    I wish FedEx would teach their drivers how to read!

    I've been ordering online since the beginning, and ordering by mail or phone before that. The only problems I've ever had with deliveries have been because of FedEx. Right street, wrong house number. Right house number, wrong street. Right street and right house number, wrong city.

    UPS and USPS can read the street signs and my house number. Why can't FedEx? All the new technology in the universe won't help if the drivers can't read.

    1. Re:I really, really wish for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The unions teach UPS/USPS drivers to read. We got no union, therefore we can't read. Wut.

    2. Re:I really, really wish for this by Daralantan · · Score: 1

      Oddly FedEx used to be the one that was the best for me. They were the only ones that used to deliver packages to me that weren't terribly damaged. My favorite being when UPS delivered something to my house by throwing the box so hard at the door that it left a chip in the door and broke part of the item out of the box.

  39. FedEx still embraces VBA across the enterprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think they're anywhere NEAR qualified to comment on what's the 'Next Frontier' of anything.

    Captcha: stresses . . . Indeed

  40. Re: and fedex can make there 1099 drivers pay by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    You can do it all with public key encryption and signing. Then you don't have to worry about the transaction being undone, either.

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  41. Re:I don't pay FedEx to track, I pay them to deliv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This MIGHT allow them to use say, Billy's UberX to make some local deliveries / do intermediate steps, but it comes down to trust. Someone is liable if it goes missing. FedEx is still liable to me. FedEx knows it handed the package to Billy.

    We already have a scan for that. I don't know the STAT code because I'm a driver. (hence the AC) but it's "Transferred to outside service provider for delivery". It's in our handhelds.

  42. the next frontier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Au contraire.
    Logistics is the next frontier for blockchain.

  43. Fedex and blockchain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If fedex blockchains it's blockchain to the blockchain, perhaps blockchain will blockchain the return on their blockchain and improve the blockchain blockchaining blockchain.

    BLOCKCHAIN BLOCKCHAIN BLOCKCHAIN!!!

  44. Re: So... let's use the entire electircal output.. by Joce640k · · Score: 1

    A blockchain is simply a ledger.

    ...a ledger that needs a large enough number of independent people working on it that nobody can get together enough computing power to falsify it.

    With Bitcoin you get a reward for "mining". What will Fedex give people to make them bother donating their CPU to the FedEx cause?

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  45. Re: So... let's use the entire electircal output.. by sexconker · · Score: 1

    That's a distributed, public blockchain.
    I didn't RTFA, but my guess is FedEx's blockchain will be private and controlled entirely by FedEx. (Actually, my guess is that they aren't going to do anything at all with blockchain beyond get their name in the news.)

  46. Re: So... let's use the entire electircal output.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually block chain in logistics can be a benefit because if implemented correctly you should be able to produce a non-refutable chain of custody for any packages that are handled. Now you'll be able to prove to Omaha Steaks or Sherry's Berries that the boxes sat in a FedEx warehouse over a weekend and the cooling packs thawed out and that's why they were ruined when you got them and need replacements.

    On second thought, maybe FedEx should rethink that.

  47. Re: So... let's use the entire electircal output.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe every visitor to their site will have a copy that updates on them revisiting the site. There is probably enough around-the-clock tracking visitors to make it work.

  48. Re: So... let's use the entire electircal output.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's what plants crave.