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Windows 10 Pro Is a Dead End For the Enterprise, Gartner Says (computerworld.com)

A prominent Gartner analyst argues that Windows 10 Pro is a dead end for enterprises, citing recent changes by Microsoft to the Windows 10 support schedule. "[We] predict that Microsoft will continue positioning Windows [10] Pro as a release that is not appropriate for enterprises by reducing [...] support and limiting access to enterprise management features," Stephen Kleynhans, a research vice president at Gartner and one of the research firm's resident Windows experts, said in a report he co-authored. Computerworld reports: Last year, the Redmond, Wash. developer announced a six-month support extension for Windows 10 1511, the November 2015 feature upgrade, "to help some early enterprise adopters that are still finishing their transition to Windows as a service." In February, Microsoft added versions 1609, 1703 and 1709 -- released in mid-2016, and in April and October of 2017, respectively -- to the extended support list, giving each 24 months of support, not the usual 18. There was a catch: Only Windows 10 Enterprise (and Windows 10 Education, a similar version for public and private school districts and universities) qualified for the extra six months of support. Users running Windows 10 Pro were still required to upgrade to a successor SKU (stock-keeping unit) within 18 months to continue receiving security patches and other bug fixes.

Another component of Microsoft's current Windows 10 support strategy, something the company has labeled "paid supplemental servicing," was also out of bounds for those running Windows 10 Pro. The extra support, which Microsoft will sell at an undisclosed price, is available only to Enterprise and Education customers. Paid supplemental servicing adds 12 months to the 18 months provided free of charge.

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  1. Any version of 10 is a dead end for enterprise by Indy1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    forced OS upgrades, which often breaks the registry, poor control over Windows Updates, Windows update showing App store bullshit back onto the box even after you've removed it, etc.

    Only the LTSB enterprise version is usable, and even that gets annoying.

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    1. Re:Any version of 10 is a dead end for enterprise by orev · · Score: 2

      LTSB is only suitable for ATMs, kiosks, etc...

    2. Re:Any version of 10 is a dead end for enterprise by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

      What makes you say that?

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    3. Re:Any version of 10 is a dead end for enterprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      From what I read here LTSB is a huge improvement over the other versions of Win10.

    4. Re:Any version of 10 is a dead end for enterprise by Etcetera · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I use a bootleg copy of Win10E on my home LAN. Buttery smooth. If you're using Pro, you're doing it wrong.

      Honestly, this just feels odd. I've been using Windows 10 Pro since an upgrade from 8.1 a while back and.... it feels pretty buttery smooth already, to be honest.

      I totally understand that there are issues for corporate IT not wanting to have to move to Enterprise but being forced to do it, but as a "pro-sumer" Windows desktop user I have to say I've been pretty impressed with Windows 10 Pro.

    5. Re:Any version of 10 is a dead end for enterprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Given that Windows 7, which is now 8 years old, works perfectly fine and Windows 10 offers nothing that is substantially better, 24 months of support is absurdly short. And requiring non-business users to change their operating system every 6 months is beyond absurd.

      What make all of this so completely ridiculous is that Microsoft gets 99% of its Windows revenue from sales to OEMs who install Windows on the computers they sell. If Microsoft never released anything new, and just kept patching Windows 7 (fix bugs, fix security holes as they are found, add support for new hardware) they would still have guaranteed sales of a couple hundred million copies every year.

      Nobody rushes out to buy a new OS because of its "new features".

      I just can't figure out how they think this clusterfuck called Windows 10 is a good idea.

    6. Re:Any version of 10 is a dead end for enterprise by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I personally don't see why Windows 10 Pro is so much worse then Windows 8, 7, Vista, XP, 2000, ME, NT4, 98, 95, NT, 3.1....

      If you get the Home version since XP, you are going to get a really sucky version. If you get the Pro version things are usually much better.

      However I never really got why Windows was ever welcomed in the enterprise. Needing expensive tools to manage an army of PC, complex profile settings to get a reasonable security defaults, with its application concentric design it creates upgrade challenges.

      Now I am a Unix guy, so I never really approach problems with the Windows way, when using a windows system, I will tend to use the Unix approach to the problems.

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    7. Re:Any version of 10 is a dead end for enterprise by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

      Oh I thought he had a real reason.

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    8. Re: Any version of 10 is a dead end for enterprise by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's bad because it's an ad infested horror show. Maybe that isn't something that bothers you in an OS, but in that case there must be something wrong with you.

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    9. Re: Any version of 10 is a dead end for enterprise by Uberbah · · Score: 2

      Maybe he's referring to the tiles for shitware in the Start menu that Microsoft "helpfully" installs from time to time.

    10. Re: Any version of 10 is a dead end for enterprise by khandom08 · · Score: 2

      The security features included with 10 are significantly better than what comes with 7

      Not having control over OS updates and reboots isn't very secure. I had one computer where Windows 10 kept trying to install a driver for an integrated graphics chip it didn't actually have - would throw it into a blue screen loop until I could use system restore. Had to find the hardware ID and disable updates for it in group policy.

      And that goes to the parent's statement that security in windows 10 is "significantly better." Ever had a virus compromise your system while it was stuck in a boot loop? Didn't think so.

  2. Pro vs Enterprise by jonnythan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Windows 10 Pro is a dead end for enterprise?

    Luckily there is a version of Windows called Windows 10 Enterprise!

    Crisis averted!

    1. Re:Pro vs Enterprise by Carewolf · · Score: 2

      The Pro version was never meant for Professionals? Yeah, they appear to be moving towards Apple definition of just making Pro the name for consumers with more money, but no specific professional needs.

    2. Re:Pro vs Enterprise by williamyf · · Score: 4, Informative

      How can I buy Enterprise?

      I have 2 Win10 computers that I used for development.

      Explain to me again what the fuck I am meant to do?

      Windows 10 Enterprise (and therefore LTSB) is available as a $7 Per month subscription option.

      More info here:
      https://blogs.windows.com/wind...

      But, from the Link:
      "Today, we are announcing Windows 10 Enterprise E3 in CSP. Starting this fall, businesses can get enterprise-grade security and management capabilities at just $7 a seat per month for the first time through the Cloud Solution Provider channel."

      You're welcome! (On a Nick Burns tone)

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    3. Re:Pro vs Enterprise by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why the fuck would I SUBSCRIBE to an operating system?

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    4. Re:Pro vs Enterprise by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only problem is that microsoft's long term plan for windows is software as a service with a monthly cost just like office 365. They are going this way hell or high water on both enterprise and retail.

      That is what Windows 10 represents, anyone still using it enabling this and giving microsoft confidence that it's got a winning strategy and the fanboi's won't see it until it arrives. By 2020 you will be putting in a credit card number and paying a monthly fee to use windows. It's just about the only way Microsoft can soak more money from the system and grow non-cloud revenues.

    5. Re:Pro vs Enterprise by rahvin112 · · Score: 2

      Now do you understand why Valve poured resources and development time into SteamOS?

      Windows will be subscription only within 2 years. Think long and hard on that. Want to use windowss? Better be prepared to put a credit card into windows when you start it up and get charged $7 a month, then microsoft can slowly raise that monthly price and finally see an increase in non-cloud revenue. And you don't have any say in it, nor do they care that you don't like it because your opinion doesn't matter. This was the plan MS came up with when microsoft ceo Satya Nadella took over.

    6. Re: Pro vs Enterprise by shm · · Score: 2

      To make sure MSFT continues to rise. When 10 was announced, I recollect people predicting a forced push to a subscription model, on the lines of Adobe. Those people were shouted down.

      When you're out of ideas - not that Microsoft was ever an innovator - lockin and subs are the way to go.

      I expect Apple to head that way too, in the next 3-5 years. Cook is no Jobs, he's more like Gates in the money department.

    7. Re:Pro vs Enterprise by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2

      I think you're forgetting that most individuals purchase a Windows license that is tied to their hardware, not to them personally. So the next time they buy a new computer, they pay for Windows once again. That's how Microsoft makes money off consumer or small business users.

      Besides, I'm pretty sure Microsoft can't legally force anyone who has purchased a license to use their OS in perpetuity to start renting it any more than a car dealer can do that for a car that's paid off. They'd trigger the largest class action lawsuit in history, possibly along with government action (although who knows with this administration), if they tried it. Note that when this article is talking about "end of support", they're talking about patch and upgrade support for older versions of Windows 10, not the current version. Unless there's some compatibility issue (and it's easy enough to roll back individual computers on a small scale), there's no reason for anyone NOT to be up to date.

      I don't trust Microsoft at all, as I'm sure they'd love to dip their hand into a cookie jar like that, but I think they're far too fearful of killing off the remainder of their PC business if they did something that reckless. They're all-in with the cloud, and so I think will be happy to keep growing in that area, and leaving their legacy Windows products as they roughly are now for the time being and the foreseeable future.

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  3. Customer Service by Zorro · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What do they expect if they continue to screw their customers?

    1. Re:Customer Service by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      What do they expect if they continue to screw their customers?

      That hasn't stopped orgs from buying more M$ for 30+ years. Why would it start now?

      MS just makes orgs feel better because they know their competitors are also getting screwed at about the same time. Social animals prefer shared pain.

    2. Re:Customer Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What do they expect if they continue to screw their customers?

      It has been a successful business model for Oracle, and before that, IBM.

      The tech company has a long history of entrenched players who can no longer innovate screwing over their customers until a new player comes along.

      And Microsoft is definitely an entrenched player who can no longer innovate -- in fact, I'm hard pressed to think of innovations from them they didn't outright buy or copy from someone else. Well, there's the Registry ... but I'm not sure I'd call that pile of shit an innovation of any merit.

      Honestly, the only way to use Microsoft these days is on a VM with no access to the outside network. Anything else, and you've given up control of your servers to someone else.

  4. Re:Never was by WankerWeasel · · Score: 2

    Oh come on, you don't want them indexing your machine and using that info to share with their partners so they can show you a bunch of irrelevant games and apps you have zero use for? Can't imagine why users wouldn't want that on their enterprise machines...

  5. Paid support for Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's not true, Windows is still offering paid support for Windows 10. I just got off the phone with one of their friendly tech experts who's number I Binged. He took me to this black technical looking screen and showed me all the viruses I had. He fixed me up for free! All I had to do was input my credit card number in case I needed his services again! Count me as another super satisfied Windows 10 user!!!!

    1. Re:Paid support for Windows 10 by wkk2 · · Score: 2

      He called me too. Caller id said his name was "ILLEGAL SCAM". A very odd name for his parents to pick.

  6. Re:Never was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Personally every install on my domain would have an enterprise sku IF I could buy machines with enterprise preinstalled from dell. Our it department has a budget of 24000 a year and we have 146 computers, 56 printers and 18 servers. Our current replacement schedule is sitting at 10 years. New systems I have been setting up I have been running decrapifier on and it does a good job of clearing all that out. Plus is it doesn’t cost anything https://community.spiceworks.com/scripts/show/3977-windows-10-decrapifier-version-2

  7. Re:Holy crap by Junta · · Score: 2

    Well, I'd say that's only true in the context of Android, which isn't reassuring given the stuff on top of linux to worry about...

    On the server side, Linux largely averted Windows drinking all the server milkshake in the first place (if the choices were commercial Unix on locked in platforms and Windows on inter operable hardware, Windows would have won). Windows did pretty much take over the groupware and directory roles, much to the chagirn of Novell. However, they have used their warchest to basically join in the cloud game so that even those pesky people running linux servers are now likely to be giving microsoft money to run their linux servers.

    On the desktop side, while I hate to admit it, Linux desktops have not made an appreciable dent in the market, even when counting ChromeOS. OSX has about 10% which is something, but MS has 82% and there's no sign of any movement..

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  8. Re:win10 fallout by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Informative

    The devs are OK. The marketeers and business school types are the problem. Clouuuuud. AWK! Move to the cloud! AWK AWK! Cloud better! BRAAAAAWK!

  9. Re:Never was by Entropius · · Score: 2

    Or their home machines.

  10. Re:HILLARY by tepples · · Score: 2

    So can you tell me what it's like being on the spectrum?

    A lot less color detail than being on the MSX, the Commodore 64, or the Apple II. Plus you deal with the Z80 processor, which has its own strengths and weaknesses compared to a contemporary 6502.