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China Overtakes US For Healthy Lifespan, WHO Data Finds (reuters.com)
According to World Health Organization data, China has overtaken the United States in healthy life expectancy at birth for the first time. The data from 2016 finds Chinese newborns can look forward to 68.7 years of healthy life ahead of them, compared with 68.5 years for American babies. "American newborns can still expect to live longer overall -- 78.5 years compared to China's 76.4 -- but the last 10 years of American lives are not expected to be healthy," reports Reuters. From the report: The United States was one of only five countries, along with Somalia, Afghanistan, Georgia and Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, where healthy life expectancy at birth fell in 2016, according to a Reuters analysis of the WHO data, which was published without year-on-year comparisons in mid-May. The best outlook was for Singaporean babies, who can count on 76.2 years of health on average, followed by those in Japan, Spain and Switzerland. The United States came 40th in the global rankings, while China was 37th. In terms of overall life expectancy China is also catching up with the United States, which Reuters calculations suggest it is on course to overtake around 2027. Meanwhile U.S. life expectancy is falling, having peaked at 79 years in 2014, the first such reversal for many years.
He's such a terrible president he caused life expectancy to tumble a full two years before he was even elected.
Middle-age means menial labouring causes poor health so the government and health insurers don't want to spend money on someone who is unable to resume work. Also, poor people are unable to afford medicine, the price of which has been sky-rocketing. US capitalism is designed to make plenty of poor people (and a number of people, poor) so it's not an issue when some die in wars, or on the job.
America has problems and I'm happy to talk about them, but China has problems that nobody can talk about. These metrics are pure estimate bullshit based on old data, absolute best case. Ask any statistician, then kill yourself as they answer.
China is also very well known for lying about things and faking stats to appear better than everyone else. It goes all the way from the local level with fake recycling bins that go straight to trash pickup to faking national statistics.
I don't know how long he'll live, but I do know he'll die in Supermax Florence, Kansas in a relatively quiet wing of that storied American institution his mere idiotic presence will actually not sully.
I'll just leave this here. :)
https://youtu.be/4zpYQJkBQp0
"The United States came 40th in the global rankings"
How does this sit with the USA #1 crowd? I like to read those OECD comparison charts and it seems the US has been continually falling over the last few decades across every type of political leadership. Can this be fixed?
Yes, because those are not the unhealthy ones. ;-P
Aww baby wanna have a little cry? lol
Is there some 1,000 year old monk skewing that shit upward? Because most of China is a straight up third world country.
Geekpoet doesn't like facts any more than Trump's legal team, but Donald Jumpsuit Drumpf and family is going to pound-them-all-in-the-ass PRISON for LIFE.
Way too diverse, and accountable. Birth AND death records. Except in Alabama, as you already know. What you want is a homogenous population, like Japan, but not hillybillys in Kentucky, because, as everyone know - Roger Corman does - your brother is often also your father, and your mother is also your half-sister. No, I don't know how they keep that straight. They don't need to. It's Trump country.
It's especially amazing since males have naturally shorter lifespans than females.
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Others have mentioned good points of China giving BS figures, non-diverse vs. diverse people, and dietary habits.
Has anyone thought about the pollution problems the China has, and will have for decades? Their longer life has come about through improved medicine, but that won't help much vs pollution.
Just wait until the mass of Chinese can afford to eat 3 meals a day. Then we'll see what the stats say.
Basically, if you're rich and white the USA is still #1. If you add all those other groups in the ranking drops.
Maybe, just maybe, for profit capitalistic health care isn't working. Americans pay double for worse outcomes than socialized systems. Many can't afford it, and the insurance middle men take in 800 billion a year with 100 billion in unnecessary salaries, expenses, and profits. The system rewards treatments for conditions and not cures or prevention. This is the biggest reason why the US is so far behind Slovenia, and why it will never be #1.
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... to excel at a much more coveted metric -- profits -- as she continues to deregulate fossil fuel and emission standards.
In support of the prime directive of asymptotic wealth gained in nanoseconds, Americans will die rich.
The age at which that happens is not important.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
You basically have a choice to return shareholder value or save lives but you certainly cannot have both. It's really simple to understand because if you run it for profit it becomes unaffordable for the poor. That is why we pay more for heathcare then anybody else in the world.
We have made our choice here to keep raking in profits over saving lives here so this problem is not going to get better in the near future.
Considering how trashed their environment is, I don't think China's "healthy" is nearly as good as it could be. Maybe they meant "maintainable."
Unfortunately the U.S. of A. is on a solid downward trend and seems to have China's "healthy" as its new goal - thanks to Trump and it's people.
I am actually surprised this was not already so. Typical chinese meal is healthier and more balanced than western diet and most people in asia still cook their food.
The only thing holding back was healthcare and as economy grew, it has caught up as well.
Looking at my retirement funds, I'm certainly hoping I die in my sleep at age 78. Or maybe 75. I just can't be sure.
Healthy lifespan my ass.. I spend a lot of time in China. Trust me, you don't want to spend the last 10yrs of your life in a communist/dictatorship shit-hole. Chinese hospital: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
and the Regressives that made it law. Keep your doctor, keep your plan, premiums will go down $2,500. God damn lairs the lot of you. Hope you die from a simple infection because you can't find a doctor in your network, it's too expensive to use your plan, or you think you are to fucking smart for your own good.
The Country that can't even process a proper Census has trustworthy stats on lifespan....
Pull the other one.
The amount of propaganda coming our way is nauseating.
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He has a point.
Culture and genetics contributes a lot to these kinds of numbers. There are pockets of people in a number of places who have a various lifestyles that regularly live past 100.
Some of the more targeted statistics clearly have a strong cultural component.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
I am Swiss, here is my non-scientific anecdote :
I went 2 weeks in China last year, and I lost 3 kg (6 pounds). Last time I went to the US, I think I gained 2 kg in also 2 weeks, with a similar holiday life style.
The explanation for the difference ? My guess is the sugar; in China, you find very little sugar in food.
Meanwhile, the prevailing elementary-school standard of discourse gaining sway in America sat this one out.
Giorgos Lazaridis On PID theory:
Pull your head out of your sandbox. The American medical system isn't smaller than a midsize, coal-fired destroyer.
All I Really Need To Know I Learned In Kindergarten
Or so the author believed. I'm not sure Robert Fulghum ever grasped the PID-controller dynamics of any system too large to model in his childhood sandbox (and all around cat-turd collector) under his mother's kitchen's deck.
At government scale, merely keeping things where you found them involves multiply nested PID controllers. Of course, if we updated kindergarten to Ender's Game, we finally get somewhere. Inertia, it's a thing.
Man, and this is the guy who invented a kindergarten actually worth having, and he still believes the average citizen can't maintain his/her/zher own moral compass heading if anything weird is going on, on the other side of any fence, in the whole damn town. Oh, the exponential, global disruption of one improperly trimmed lawn.
Apparently, not only do straight(-ish) Mormons need a moral PID-controller equipped with a loud pulpit, but they also need the sea around them artificially calmed—or who the fuck knows how they'd behave?
Maybe it is true, though, that women (and Asians) can't parallel park because they didn't play in the sandbox enough at the right age.
Amazing how much I learned, really, when not a single one of my Hot Wheels articulated anything: my entire childhood's cat-shit show was managed with ice-rink physics and fist-of-God flubber.
Hot Wheels: one entire mind-blowing degree of freedom (linear translation), cruise-control not included.
But go ahead, comment on Obamacare as if kindergarten was general-purpose PhD.
China does not have a land whale problem yet. As soon as they start turning up, life expectancy starts going down.
Life of an American baby is tough. Once in pre-school, they have to practice shit like hiding under a desk to avoid being shot by other babies with Uzis and AR-15 borrowed from their parents.
I find this 'World Health Organization' to be very questionable about any number of things they put in press releases; most of it sounds like they have a political agenda more than they have 'information to share' with the world. Wouldn't be the first time some group of influential intellectuals decided that they know what's best for our species and therefore have the right to 'guide' it.
Have those standards been changing the last few years the US has been going backwards? I can see how it may bring the number down, and make comparisons with other countries difficult. But how does it change it year to year in comparison to itself?
Well, so much for my belief that food from China will cause cancer if I so much as touch it.
In Soviet Russia the trains always ran on time ... but was it worth having lots of innocent people sent to the gulags?
A long lifespan doesn't indicate a good life !!
Your link doesn't show anything you have claimed in your post.
The United States counts infant mortality. Most countries do not count infant deaths before one year of age. That is why Spain, for example, is ahead of us. Most likely China does something similar, as well as 'fixing' their data to make themselves look good.
Of course their lifespan is best, they do what the government says. The govt knows what's good for us.
My god, you linked a google AMP version of an article.
I don't know if you were trying to be more insulting to Slate, or to us.
... US standard Fast Food Fare.
In other news:
Society that regards Kung Fu Masters higher in status than lawyers healthier than fat-ass society that loves sitting at desks and has a quota of morbidly obese through the effing roof.
Yet in other news:
Rice and Soy Sauce healthier than Hamburgers, Fries & Ketchup.
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We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Yes
List of countries by life expectancy
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
Canada beats USA by 19 places.
Gun laws.
When all you have is a hammer, every problem starts to look like a thumb.
I'm gonna start eating more Chinese food!
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... is a shit show.
I've rarely found a single instance of this being done with any integrity. Various statistics between nations don't mean the same thing.
Murder for example is a legal concept which we take for granted as being universal but it isn't. An "unsolved" murder in one country can be cited as an "accidental death" or a "suicide" in another. Some countries have very very very low murder rates because they tend to designate unsolved murders as not murders in the first place. This renders comparing those countries to other countries that cite any presumed murder as a murder impossible with any accuracy.
Infant mortality is another very hard to compare statistic across national borders. Again, we take this statistic for granted and assume that it is a simple statistic. It is again a legal concept because first you have to identify whether the baby is "alive". Now especially for Americans this is an odd question because under US law, babies are generally alive the instant they slide out of the vagina... sometimes even if they don't have a pulse. Where as in other countries they often has different rules that the child has to meet to be considered alive. Body weight for example is frequently a requirement for a baby to be legally alive in some countries. In other countries the baby has to scream or cry to be alive. The slapping on the ass you see is to upset a non-crying baby so that it checks a legal box of "being alive". If a non-alive baby dies then it isn't recorded in infant mortality statistics but rather in miscarrage statistics. In the US especially our miscarriages are very low compared to international statistics whilst our infant mortalities are high. Many sloppy or biased publications will cite US infant mortality statistics as an example of a bad medical system when properly understood the US has excellent infant mortality statistics... we just consider babies that most countries would not consider alive to be alive.
So this statistic is going to have those sorts of problems and then it runs into a very subjective element that renders this entire type of statistic probably useless. They're trying to compare end of life health between two national populations. According to which metrics? Why do the chosen criteria matter? Is the methodology empirical?
If I went through this, I think we'd find that the statistic is not reliable, useful, and might not even be ethically well intentioned.
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Why is there no call for 'diversity' in China?
hitler couldnt have said it better himself
This is like comparing the stats of two teams at the bottom of their league standings.
Who cares?
Except for the obvious question: how can two of the most scientifically advanced and prosperous nations on Earth be duking it out for last place?
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.