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Alibaba Co-founder Says Many Americans 'Want To Stop China' From Upgrading Its Tech (cnbc.com)
With the threat of Trump's ever-looming trade war with China and his administration's sanctions on Chinese companies like ZTE, it's hard to remember a more contentious period between the two countries in recent times. Adding fuel to the conversation, an Alibaba co-founder alleged that many Americans want to stop China from upgrading its technology and from becoming more innovative. From a report: Chinese media outlets have repeatedly asserted that American complaints about the tech sector are really just efforts to slow the country's rise as a global power. "There's nothing wrong with a country wanting to upgrade its own manufacturing sector, go higher tech, be more innovative," Tsai said. "But then, from the Chinese perspective, what we're seeing is there are a lot of people in America that want to stop China from doing that." After three decades of producing low-end manufacturing goods, Tsai said, China recognizes the need to develop better technology, upgrade its manufacturing sector and focus more on value-added areas like robotics, aeronautics and high-tech medical equipment.
American companies prefer to not have their IP stolen by foreign companies. Also, don't start with something as silly and foolish as: "it's hard to remember a more contentious period between the two countries in recent times". Really? Is it that hard to remember more contentious countries? Let me get you started: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
it's hard to remember a more contentious period between the two countries in recent times.
Well, Saudi Arabia is bombing the crap out of Yemen. Russia has been covertly sending troops into Ukraine. Israel and Iran are almost at war.
So yeah, one country increasing tariffs on another is probably the most contentious thing going on right now.
My Other Computer Is A Data General Nova III.
Well, we sure as hell can't innovate ourselves! So our only recourse is to try to stop other countries from innovating! No way can we allow someone a chance at bettering themselves if we're not able to steal the betterment for our own use.
Regardless of the many problems the US has, not being able to innovate certainly isn't one of them. China is playing catch up in innovation, and who do you think they are trying to catch up to? The US is having a hard time dealing with not being the only game in town, but it is still top dog. Possibly not for long but it certainly still is today.
While there is certainly a significant portion of Americans who simply want China to fail, most of us just don't want China to steal. Even that is a bit misguided though since every developing nation (including the early US) steals while catching up. Americans fundamentally have to realize we cannot rest on our laurels. The lead we have right now will diminish and then evaporate and we will need to compete on a level playing field. That is already true with many developed countries, and it will soon be true with China.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
Basically he's denying China cheats like the wind. To be fair, when USA industry was young, we played intellectual property games with Europe also.
But when you become a trading super-power, your scrappy "street-smarts" 3rd-world tendencies need to be corrected or you will face retaliation. You can no longer fly under the radar. China has yet to kick its bad habits.
Table-ized A.I.
Maybe they just want to stop having tech stolen and show up in Chinese products that largely look like clones of the stolen products that are in turn then sold back to the foreign markets at much lower cost. There is no way any american laws or tariffs would prevent or even could prevent China from having its own ideas, creating new product categories, and then selling them to other countries that would feel safe using them
China continues to require that nearly all companies that operate in CHina to have 51% chinese ownership (though cars are now exempted, though they will still pay high tariffs). Likewise, the companies will be required to turn over IP to Chinese owners.
And yet, this is America's fault for a western company wanting to keep their IP, while Chinese companies will sue for theft of their IP.
Yeah, totally makes sense.
Now, if Trump would just do his GD job or at least keep a few of his promises esp for dealing with CHina.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
really? No innovation here?
Nearly all of AE still comes from America.
EV innovation is coming from America.
Space innovation is coming from America.
China/India are still trying to catch up with civil nuclear tech innovation from America's 60s.
Most of the items that are made in China but sold in America were innovated in America, not china.
BUT, America is not innovative?
You could only be Porky/Red Tide to have such egregious lies.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
that is not accurate.
Yes, China steals a great deal. BUT, that does not mean that CHina's innovation is not up and coming. It is a horrible mistake to claim otherwise.
Just like Japan and India today, you have many ppl in CHina that are learning and are as innovative as any others.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Countries like to have allies. They are obligated to defend those allies. It isn't always altruistic but many times it can be. Setting aside fluffy feelings though there is plenty of motivation for us to want to defend our allies in the region from a country that is at best a "competitor" to us on the global stage.
ZTE broke an International embargo and then blatantly lied about implementing the remedies it had agreed to. There is a general unease with China's grown economic and military power but ZTE's case had absolutely nothing to do with any of that. Chinese companies need to learn that being cozy with the Chinese Communist party can't protect them in the world stage
We do the R&D on new ideas, they use espionage (been going on for decades) to steal it and then "upgrade" their systems, to compete back with us.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
That's mostly military tech. Everyone expects and does military espionage.
But China plays games on the commercial side. It would be like the US Federal Gov't breaking into Chinese OS companies and giving the trade secrets to Microsoft, or creating red-tape for foreign competitors to MS that MS itself doesn't have.
Table-ized A.I.
"we will need to compete on a level playing field."
Bullshit. The playing field will never be level, so long as Chinese companies continue to steal then undercut both quality and price.
What I mean by a level playing field is when China has just as much tech for the US to steal as we do of them. Right now China is like the early US, when we stole a significant amount of IP from Europe. It is simply what developing nations do, and it hastens the time it takes for them to contribute more to the World economy (which helps everyone) . Soon China will become a developed nation and expectations regarding China's behavior will shift.
-- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
LOL.
Every company out there is screaming that they will build tesla killers. They are not saying that they will build Renault killers or Mercdes killers or BYD killers.
Tesla is not doing motors on each wheel because it is ineffective. That is why every car maker that starts down that path stops. They do OTA updates and constantly have a car that improves. All their cars compete head on with ICE versions, instead of being highly over priced shit like the leaf, i3, bolt, etc. Tesla has a massive super charger network that covers almost 1/2 of the global population. MB/VW/Ford are just now starting to build out a super charger network and even then, they are getting govs to fund it.
The reason that nearly all car makers have moved their autopilot efforts to California is because Tesla is WAY ahead of others. Yes, at the moment, they are having the same singular issue that has to be addressed. BUT, they remain way ahead.
Safety? Tesla makes volvo look like a yugo.
Finally, there IS no real EV innovation in Europe. Even China is ahead of Europe.
Angel, you are messed up because you let your hatred of America fucked with your head.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
...the US DISREGARDED AND DIDN'T GIVE A SHIT about European patents or Copyrights.
Oh, we certainly regarded them: feel free to shut your mouth for a bit and learn a little.
If you mean electric vehicle with EV, then no. america is decades behind Europe.
What color is the sky on your planet? You certainly aren't basing that claim on any facts (nor did you provide any) so one has to presume you are talking about a different America and a different Europe than the one here on Earth.
Tesla made a new and better battery and manages to sell a nice set of cars ... but in the vehicle itself is nothing really innovative.+
Spare me your attempt to seem unimpressed. "Nothing really innovative"? You might have an argument if anyone else was making more innovative vehicles. Nobody has moved the auto industry more towards electrification than Tesla and to claim their cars aren't innovative is preposterous even if you don't like them.
It's the blatant stealing you've done to me four times now with successive LED designs I've asked various companies to manufacture for me, only for them to turn around and sell my fucking units to a competitor.
And this is why all my primary manufacturing gets done here in the USA, by my own hand. Fuck you assholes, you just supply raw components to me. No more asking you to build advanced things for me when you steal it.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Now there are innovative and competitive chinese products out there. Trump just likes stroking the "Were number 1" jingoism among the old timers some more.
Your not number 1 unless you earn it and keep earning it.
And during WWII, the USA would only accept payment for weapons and aid in Gold.
For centuries the "gold standard" and the "British Pound" were the defect standard currencies for trade. Because the UK gold reserves were stripped from them by the USA the pound was conferred no longer to have the backing of the gold held in treasuries, so to get international trade the US$ became the standard because they now had the most gold.
Unless one is under threats, each party involved in any deal can make any demand and the other parties can walk away if he doesn't like it. If these American companies don't like transferring IPs, then they can walk away. Just like a Chinese company should not deal with the US if it doesn't want to obey the (questionably erected) Iran sanction. (In practice, most companies may transfer some assembling IP over to the Chinese entities while retaining the most valuable components/tech; which is why much of the Chinese surplus in manufacturing are actually just transferring costs of components they purchased from abroad. Chinese usually just do the last step of assembling. There is likely little IP forced to be transferred.)
Then you all know that how silly the US patent system has become. US companies have become patent trolls filing massive number of garbage patents over the year. How would a newcomer such as China can ever have a fair competing ground in such a skewed IP ecosystem? Why don't people in tech complain about the US patent system in other context but never when it involves China?