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'Why I'm Switching From Chrome To Firefox and You Should Too' (fastcodesign.com)
An anonymous reader quotes an associate technology editor at Fast Company's Co.Design:
While the amount of data about me may not have caused harm in my life yet -- as far as I know -- I don't want to be the victim of monopolistic internet oligarchs as they continue to cash in on surveillance-based business models. What's a concerned citizen of the internet to do? Here's one no-brainer: Stop using Chrome and switch to Firefox... [W]hy should I continue to use the company's browser, which acts as literally the window through which I experience much of the internet, when its incentives -- to learn a lot about me so it can sell advertisements -- don't align with mine....?
Unlike Chrome, Firefox is run by Mozilla, a nonprofit organization that advocates for a "healthy" internet. Its mission is to help build an internet in an open-source manner that's accessible to everyone -- and where privacy and security are built in. Contrast that to Chrome's privacy policy, which states that it stores your browsing data locally unless you are signed in to your Google account, which enables the browser to send that information back to Google. The policy also states that Chrome allows third-party websites to access your IP address and any information that site has tracked using cookies. If you care about privacy at all, you should ditch the browser that supports a company using data to sell advertisements and enabling other companies to track your online movements for one that does not use your data at all.... Firefox protects you from being tracked by advertising networks across websites, which has the lovely side effect of making sites load faster...
Ultimately, Firefox's designers have the leeway to make these privacy-first decisions because Mozilla's motivations are fundamentally different from Google's. Mozilla is a nonprofit with a mission, and Google is a for-profit corporation with an advertising-based business model.. While Firefox and Chrome ultimately perform the same service, the browsers' developers approached their design in a radically different way because one organization has to serve a bottom line, and the other doesn't.
The article points out that ironically, Mozilla supports its developers partly with revenue from Google, which (along with other search engines) pays to be listed as one of the search engines available in Firefox's search bar.
"But because it relies on these agreements rather than gathering user data so it can sell advertisements, the Mozilla Corporation has a fundamentally different business model than Google."
Unlike Chrome, Firefox is run by Mozilla, a nonprofit organization that advocates for a "healthy" internet. Its mission is to help build an internet in an open-source manner that's accessible to everyone -- and where privacy and security are built in. Contrast that to Chrome's privacy policy, which states that it stores your browsing data locally unless you are signed in to your Google account, which enables the browser to send that information back to Google. The policy also states that Chrome allows third-party websites to access your IP address and any information that site has tracked using cookies. If you care about privacy at all, you should ditch the browser that supports a company using data to sell advertisements and enabling other companies to track your online movements for one that does not use your data at all.... Firefox protects you from being tracked by advertising networks across websites, which has the lovely side effect of making sites load faster...
Ultimately, Firefox's designers have the leeway to make these privacy-first decisions because Mozilla's motivations are fundamentally different from Google's. Mozilla is a nonprofit with a mission, and Google is a for-profit corporation with an advertising-based business model.. While Firefox and Chrome ultimately perform the same service, the browsers' developers approached their design in a radically different way because one organization has to serve a bottom line, and the other doesn't.
The article points out that ironically, Mozilla supports its developers partly with revenue from Google, which (along with other search engines) pays to be listed as one of the search engines available in Firefox's search bar.
"But because it relies on these agreements rather than gathering user data so it can sell advertisements, the Mozilla Corporation has a fundamentally different business model than Google."
Try Palemoon instead.
Have you forgotten what the Firefox dolts did with their stupid Mr. Robot promo plugin?
>" What's a concerned citizen of the internet to do? Here's one no-brainer: Stop using Chrome and switch to Firefox."
Many of us, myself included, have NEVER used Chrome and still use Firefox on all our systems. Yes, that is a no-brainer if you value your privacy.
In the earlier days of Chrome, Firefox performance stagnated and Chrome was fast and lean. But that was less of a concern to many of us. Still, many switched primarily for that reason (with apparently no concern about closed binaries and privacy). Well, that reason is certainly gone now!
Oh, and make sure to not use http://google.com/ for searching.... another no-brainer. I would recommend http://startpage.com/ or similar. Same results, no tracking.
I have been a Firefox user since before it was called Firefox, starting with the first buggy milestones during the final days of Netscape. I never bought into the whole Chrome thing as it had that distinct Internet Explorer feel to it.
Then, when Firefox Quantum rolled around, I saw myself forced to jump ship if I wanted to keep using the plugins and extensions I had come to rely on, including some extensions which I had written myself, but could not be ported to WebExtensions due to missing APIs.
That's when I decided to switch to Pale Moon, which is essentially a Firefox fork, but with significant differences, far less cruft and a truly free and open source model, without commercial involvement, like with Mozilla.
The Basilisk browser is the current preview of the next iteration of Pale Moon, and it will add some new features to Pale Moon, but retain the lean, low memory profile nature. I could honestly not be happier and would recommend that others switch to Pale Moon, Basilisk, or WaterFox (another Firefox fork).
Site & blog: http://www.mayaposch.com
People are just figuring this out. It amazes me how long the average dolt trusted google. I havenâ(TM)t used a google service since the mid 2000â(TM)s when I realized what their true ânot evilâ(TM) intentions were...
There are more than just two browsers on the market... I've been a quite satisfied Opera user for years now. Ad-block without an extension. VPN without an extension. The fact the majority of the web is now designed for Webkit/Blink first, and Mozilla's rendering engine is just an afterthought. Opera is pretty much the best of all worlds.
I generally always use Firefox. However, Chrome works so well with Chromecast for streaming Youtube, and as far as I know, there is no equivalent functionality with Firefox. If Firefox had Chromecast streaming, I'd be a happy camper.
Google can track you just fine even if you are not using Chrome.
Just by knowing the four or five web sites you visit most is enough to ID you.
The alternative to limited government is unlimited government.
I use the Chromium browser for Discordapp.com chat and Firefox for pretty much everything else. When you try to change your avatar or upload emoji in Firefox, Discord does not respond to a click on the upload button. (Nothing appears in the error console either.) This has been the case for roughly a year, since late May of 2017. Uploading avatars and emoji works in Chromium the same way as it works in the (Chromium-based) native app.
Or are the compelling features of Firefox themselves a reason to leave Discord behind?
I was a huge fan of Firefox until 2013, when they made their big U/I change that most people didn't like. https://www.ghacks.net/2013/11.... Mozilla's attitude of making changes and ignoring their users will keep me from going back.
Go for chromium instead.
Hopefully they've removed the worst parts of chrome at least. Firefox isn't a solution, especially not since they neutered the plugins in order to prevent them from effectively protect your privacy, and definitely since they removed any sane way to deal with cookies. Cookie Monster was the shit, and it died because Mozilla didn't like having their tracing messed with.
The question is, what the fuck were you doing on Chrome in the first place?? Run Firefox+NoScript+Adblock/Ublock Origin and call it a day.
Non-profit is not the same as charity. It costs a LOT of money to keep Mozilla going. Don't forget to include what the massive amount of money they pay to have Mozilla included in Linux distros. Do you really believe they're not selling user information? You poor ignorant fool.
You mention revenue and imply Mozilla is not a non-profit?
Perhaps you should re-read what a non-profit is, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Non-profit orgs are allowed to have revenue. They do, after all, have to pay their employees and fund their projects.
They even invented a new programming language to prevent leaks for Firefox. How cool is that?
And I thought posters with lower slashdot ids were the smart ones ...
Could you give examples?
I have no interest in the politics of which web browser to use. I use Safari, Edge, Chrome, and Firefox all the same time.
Safari for business browsing and other stuff. It is integrated best with MacOS naturally.
Edge when I have to do Windows stuff (in a VM) and it turns out to be a pretty good PDF viewer and some other interesting features.
Firefox when I am doing personal surfing and media playing. That way I keep my personal browser history separate from my business browser history. If I decide to wipe my personal browser history then I can do it and I don't lose the business history.
Chrome is best for JS debugging. It is really nice to be able to set breakpoints, single step, and inspect runtime state from inside the WebStorm IDE. Both Typescript and Javascript.
On top of that when I develop a web page or web app I use all of them to see how it looks in each and whether all the JS stuff works the same. That's the least I can do for my work, right?
I don't time to dither in browser wars.
If you use windows 10 you're already a victim of surveillance since it has a built in keylogger and sends your personally identifiable info to microsoft on a routine basis.
that's the real problem FF has. Trying to hang your hat on privacy doesn't do much good when anybody who cares can just grab the Open Source version of Chrome that's missing the google stuff. Meanwhile Firefox broke everybody's plugins (including my own and even Greasemonkey for Pete's sake) to fix non existent security issues (mostly numbskulls buying plugins with a few hundred thousand users and then loading them with spyware, had a few of those jokers contact me).
Hi! I make Firefox Plug-ins. Check 'em out @ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-mp3-podcaster/
There are also Chromium based browsers like Vivaldi. Chromium being the core of Chrome before all the Google specific spyware is added in for those few people who didn't know.
I have been a big fan of Firefox since the Phoenix days, and hopefully after the next few versions the Quantum project will start to shine, but I still run into sites that do not redirect properly with Firefox, but do with Chrome and Edge. So, for me, Firefox remains in the "almost" category.
why do you post twice to make it look like you are two different people?
I'm not referring to the term in the legal sense, but in the practical sense which "OP" is alluding to when contrasting Google and Mozilla by pointing out that the latter is a non-profit. Mozilla isn't here just to bring good to the people; they're in it for the money.
Communists don't believe in privacy.
There isn't only two browsers in the world. Even if other browsers use the same engine as Chrome, it's not like Google can get the data from those browsers. As such you could use Vivaldi, which isn't owned by Chinese interest(Opera) or by Google while still being Chromium based.
I use Chrome for Facebook and logged in part of google, like Gmail. And Firefox for general browsing. And also running Freedome VPN. This way biggest trackers do not have logged in user and tracking comes harder.
I'll switch back as soon as Firefox starts supporting ALSA again. I could put up with all the other shit, even moving to new plug in architecture, that the fuckwit brogrammers at Mozilla did, but abandoning support for Linux's only universal sound architecture was simply beyond cretinous and well into the realm of counter-productive hipster stupidity. I suppose it was cool and ironic but I'm neither of those, and I prefer simple ALSA over ALSA+ so at that point it was goodbye to Firefox after almost 15 years of using it on Windows, Linux and lately Android, and hello to Chrome and Chromium.
You can run Firefox instead of Chrome on your Android device, too. I have come to like Opera more than FF lately, though.
So sorry if your gadget is an Apple, though.
My favorite tab management plugins only exist for Firefox, but I use Chrome as my workhorse browser because Firefox just can't handle large loads.
I have 32GB of RAM in my workstation. I did that because I was hitting the ceiling hard with anything less. When I use Firefox, even the 64 bit version, it starts breaking down as it reaches the 32bit memory barriers (2GB process image / 4GB address space) with larger numbers of open tabs. It grinds to a halt and often crashes. This is a serious pain for me because those tab management plugins would make handling my browser workload a hell of a lot easier.
Chrome works. If I'm doing browser platform stuff that requires I start pushing the limits of my hardware, it doesn't bat an eye.
I still love Firefox, but it never learned to scale.
I've never used Chrome, only Chromium. I'm sure the author knows the difference.
Then:*
Mozilla's mission is to promote openness, innovation, and opportunity on the web. We do this by creating great software, like the Firefox browser, and building movements, like Drumbeat, that give people tools to take control of their online lives.
Now:
Our mission is to ensure the Internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all. An Internet that truly puts people first, where individuals can shape their own experience and are empowered, safe and independent.
The past focused on software. The present focuses on... the Mozilla Foundation?
*Actually, the meandering mission statement in the very beginning (1999) was this and it stayed pretty much the same (save for some minor edits) for a decade or so.
There is also the Vivaldi browser, which is based on Chromium (open source). People who liked the "old" Opera browser (prior to Opera 15) would probably like Vivaldi. Vivaldi's privacy policy -> https://vivaldi.com/privacy/br...
What other amazingly poor decisions have they made since the Mr. Robot ad?
The implementation of Firefox Quantum in Rust killed the addons that i was using them.
No solution, i did drop this browser and look for another better w/o addons: Chromium.
Seems firefox is using statically linked encryption code since the latest major release, making it rather tedious to find out what firefox (and any web application) is actually sending in your name - perhaps time to set up a private proxy server and limit browsers to one the proxy accepts, and you can peek at.
This article may have been true 5 years ago, but the Mozilla Foundation has repeatedly violated the privacy of its users as well. From gathering "analytics" (aka spying on your activities), to forcibly installing extensions without permission, to questionable corporate acquisitions that integrate cloud data collection shit into the browser (Pocket).
That's on top of the continuous worsening of the UI as each fresh wave of "designers" feels the need to leave their mark on something, and making the browser harder and harder to build from source by using garbage like Rust.
The sad thing is that there seems to be no prospect of getting out of this duopoly of crappy browsers. Web standards are so complex and byzantine that building a new browser from scratch is practically a moonshot level software project.
Ping on Linux, minus root.
What a l33t hacker we have on our hands.
That's not because of FireFox, that's because of VMware and Cisco using JS where they shouldn't have. Complain to them.
Not hard to find a solution: https://kb.vmware.com/s/articl.... I searched all of 3 seconds. Any other bullshit examples?
While absolutely non-profits can and are actively abused in different ways, they are generally orders of magnitude better than the abuse from most full corporations (as I type this from a Google Chrome window...). Mozilla has faults for sure, but they are not baked in quite like Google's faults. As they mentioned, Google is an ad company and always has been. Sure, they have created a bunch of cool stuff and back in the early days they were probably just the legit nerdy people wanting to build awesome things for people to use while using the ad dollars to fund their passion. Problem is somewhere along the lines that was lost (probably around that billion dollar net worth mark...) and they realized they could use these cool things they built to create a greater ad platform that made lots of money and that not just some companies would use, but all companies would use. This honestly became even more evident when they reorganized into Alphabet as the parent company and Google being made a sub-entity with an advertisement focus (notice how the browser, Gmail, Android, etc. were not split off into their own companies or non-profit foundations? Yea, there is a reason for that...).
I've been toying with the idea of getting off the Google teet at least a bit myself simply because they have become significantly less trust-worthy over the past 5 years, arguably decade. Problem I am running into is the alternatives are not too stellar and the migration process is PAINFUL. I migrated to Gmail from Yahoo since Yahoo made clear they hired a bunch of 10 year olds to manage their security and that was rough as hell. I would honestly like to switch to Proton Mail or a self hosted solution now, but I dread going through all of that again.
Then phone-wise, as much as I loathe Apple, I have to give them credit that they are actually taking privacy practices pretty seriously. Playing into the greater point though, guess why? Apple is a hardware business and has been since forever. They can afford to do it, because that was never their business model, unlike Google who was doing advertising from the start (which relies heavily on knowing your demographics). The problem is that no one else provides a flexible phone OS like Android and I really don't want to start installing custom ROMs...
Now browser might be something I could do reasonably without too much pain. We have real competition in the browser space (though all of them have their issues) and I genuinely feel like Mozilla is much better than Google at this point (note BETTER not necessarily good...).
There are businesses in the US that are firing people for having sex while being unmarried.
We live in interesting times, and by interesting, I mean fucking ridiculous.
My tribe will never be at peace until that other tribe is dead.
You should try this browser I hear its very, very gay-rights friendly. It's Brave!
... the individual cannot be responsible for their privacy when companies with bottomless wells of cash and Internet service providers who are also cable companies are sharing data and have developed advanced software to identify individuals. The same way TOR is being blocked by services like cloudfare and people are forced to do captcha's. If you want to use TOR to browse a popular website or be anonymous good luck with that.
Your IP address and your email can be correlated using flaws in html, java and other protocols. You better bet your dollar that there are millions of ways to identify people on the net the average individual cannot hope to plug the holes. If you are on the internet by default you are broadcasting and accessing other peoples computers not geographically near you. That by itself requires messages to be broadcast across the network.
No amount of changing browsers is going to defend you against big companies and the top talent they hire to identify you using flaws in protocols and some mathematics.
Firefox has caved to so much lately, with accepting Google as default search in Windows editions, to electing to offer ads on their own home page. Sorry I will use the most popular browser as most people in the world use. Firefox is slowing dropping into that obscurity like browser market for tin foil hat people. At least Google doesn't try to hide behind this moniker of the people come first. Yeah right and everyone at Mozilla works for free.
...we didn't have these namby pamby browsers with their tabs and their javascript and their ad blockers. We used Lynx and we liked it... we loved it!
(If you don't know the SNL reference, just move along.)
Well, Netscape first, then Mozilla Firefox. Switched to Chrome last year, when Firefox ditched the fully featured addon API.
As all of the addons I needed are either no longer available for Firefox or are limited in the same way Chrome addons are, I see no reason to go back.
Support is a two way street. I supported Firefox as long as they supported my needs. They no longer do, and so it's good bye. No compelling reason to come back as of now.
Considering how popular Google Chrome is and how Firefox has tanked in recent months even after Quantum release. One would conclude that most users don't really give a crap about privacy, how Google users their data or that Firefox is the savior of all things good with privacy. It's like Microsoft claiming Edge saves battery life on a notebook vs other browsers? That's never taken off either.
I've have stated my complaints about Firefox and Chrome countless times and no one listens. The last straw was when Mozilla decided to leave the millions of people still using Windows XP in the cold by not fixing this bug.
We need a new Marc Andressen, who will develop a new browser that dosen't sell it's users data and dosen't put ad's in the interface. It needs a new engine that dosen't have the monoculture of webkit/blink.
If only people made web browsers as much as they made cryptocurrencies.
In a way, yes (in Pascal using 3rd party toolkits it's said to be "impossible" MINUS root (either their routines didn't work OR demand Root, which I avoid since it gives crtics excuses to say "you ran root = illegal" bs when it works)).
I don't do hokey TProcess invisible launch of ping itself (demands root) I see others' try if code toolkits fail (they do on Linux - always unsuccessful in ping).
* I beat it thru genius, no questions asked, going DIRECT to TCP/IP stack's native API in C translated to Object Pascal (no system security policy vs. that, as it would stop it working too & none like on ping using sudo either + way, Way, WAY FASTER by far (where I whip scripts bigtime by 5-7 minutes alone/100 records on reverse dns resolution vs ping in OS taking TONS longer to get same result).
I also can save hosts in Root/etc MINUS Root too!
APK
P.S.=> HOWEVER - since you flap your gums WHAT'VE YA DONE BETTER YERSELF, ya UNIDENTIFIABLE ac troll worm? apk
And I’ll be staying away. Philosophically, I’m more closely aligned with the Mozilla folks than with people like Eich - but Mozilla demonstrated that bullying and intolerance exist on both sides of the political spectrum, and I’m not going to overlook it just because their on “my” side.
So, for me, the only viable choice is Safari. I have to keep Chrome and Firefox around for testing, but they’re limited to that role.
#DeleteChrome
>There are businesses in the US that are firing people for having sex while being unmarried.
Really? Can you name one or two? It doesn't seem likely that would happen unless the unmarried people having sex were doing it while on the job and their job was not part of the sex trade.
Vampire2 will duck the blood from Googles CEOooooo shit
Doesn't matter what browser you use if APK Hosts File Engine 2.0++ for Linux protects you vs. tracking/ads/malware & speeds you up also + locally resolved favorite sites avoid DNS requestlog tracking & security issues too!
* Linux version's 10x FASTER/EFFICIENT vs. my Windows model (done in Delphi XE2-4 32/64-bit) via FreePascal + Lazarus 1.8.2 - speed gain's better underlying architecture (non-visible stringlists ONLY, Windows one did a mix of 'em + visible display grids (have messagepass overhead I underestimated)) & vs. any competitor by FAR.
APK
P.S.=> It's SO fast/efficient/accurate I'd race ANY ugly inferior shellscript (of others' code merely USED in script not writing it themself) OR even native tty term exes for same purpose (w/ same dataset) & I'd whip 'em - my reverse DNS resolution alone = 10x as FAST (IF scripts even do it, most don't) as ping in Windows/Linux are (& I "do the impossible" PING on Linux MINUS Root too)... apk
Because Seamonkey doesn't even exist.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Google proves giving free candy behind a panel van to kids will draw kids. Even if you warn them of the danger, plenty of kids will go for the candy.
The 'squid' proxy supports regex blocking before traffic hits the 'net. Place "google", google variations, "facebook" and all unwanted ad sites in a single file and they'll be blocked.
I use the 'seamonkey' browser most of the time and 'firefox' on occasion (always on Linux desktops). I point them to the proxy.
Theyâ(TM)re just older. Probably out of work because nobody wants a 50 year old IT worker.
The problem with firefox is the sheer volume of excuses to call home. There should be a single simple master privacy setting that says don't connect to Mozilla period.
Some examples of more unacceptable excuses. Baked in geolocation helper. They have a geoip helper that hands websites location information after making calls to third party lookup services without warning and with no settings short of about:config to control it. There are multiple location lookup systems with varying degrees of accuracy. What I am talking about is different from more well known location permissions and location permission prompts.
Telemetry still calls home even everything is disabled under "Firefox Data Collection and Use".. a major problem generally is the "personal information" head fake tricks people into assuming no information is collected when these settings are disabled or that information collected isn't personal or can't be correlated and made identifying.
At least this shit can be disabled in Firefox which makes it infinitely better than Chrome yet doing so requires an unreasonable amount of effort rendering benefits inaccessible to normal users.
Also Firefox should provide transparency options so whenever any call is made to Mozilla for any reason a complete log of what why and full contents of data exchanged are easily accessible and reviewable.
Also FFS stop writing to disk like a drunken sailor. There should be a master setting to keep cookies, caches, state and shit from being written to disk (e.g. crappy flash memory) at all. Firefox I/O is by far the single biggest writer to disk of all the software I use.
Now that Firefox runs in multiple processes, it sucks up virtually all of the memory on the laptop. I oftentimes have to kill Firefox in order to run other apps on the laptop.
It didn't seem quite so bad when it was just one process - then it at least was limited to 2G.
Just run the following performance test on Firefox and Chrome. On my machine it runs ten times faster on Chrome. Hell, even Internet Explorer is almost ten times faster than Firefox on this test.
https://testdrive-archive.azur...
This may be a special case, but working with SVG I can tell you that filtering and masking is considerably slower in Firefox than in Chrome.Oh, and that so called "hardware acceleration" is often enough a decelleration. Setting the number of maximum processes from 4 to 1 sometimes helps improving performance, which again is a bit funny.
No matter how ofter people repeat that Firefox is as fast as Chrome, it's just not true, yet. Firefox has made great progress, but the Mozilla team still has quite a bit to do.
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I was already on Firefox when it was still called Netscape. And I stayed on it all the time for exactly the reason the author uses. Well, and because IE was a piece of utter, utter crap in the 1990s and 2000s of course.
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That "guy" that didn't support homosexual "unions" wasn't fired. He resigned and formed another company. That "guy" invented JavaScript, BTW. People are free to believe that homosexuality and homosexual "unions' are wrong. People have a right to dissent from political correctness with no harm, no foul. Don't like it, don't use his products are services. Saying someone should go to prison for their BELIEFS is draconian and evil. What's next? Putting people in prison because they're ginger? Handicapped? Think different? Look different? Think about what you are saying before writing it out. You're basically asking for totalitarianism based on thinking and acting different.
After the way they treated Brendan Eich Iâ(TM)m not that interested.
I did the switch on version 57: Firefox Quantum. I found speed, support and developer tools are identical. I find Firefox addons better suited to my needs, and privacy tools more configurable. Firefox account sync is also a bit more flexible than Chrome and I can avoid mixing my Android / Chrome / Chromebook settings.
But, the best feature by far is: Bookmark Separators. Chrome, if you don't use bookmark separators I will say goodbye for good. I think that Chrome wants to get rid of bookmarks and make them mostly unneeded by improving the search screen. However, I use bookmarks for document and project management and I really need a good and stable tool for that.
I was leery about the recent massive overhaul but have been pleasantly surprised at how much faster it performs, even on this mid-2011 MB Air with 4 GB RAM.
- Containers are awesome, I have them set up for Facebook, Google, Twitter, News, Banking, etc.
- uBlock Origin and uMatrix are a dynamic-duo for ad blocking and tracking.
- DecentralEyes takes care of CDN tracking.
- CanvasBlocker helps with sneaky canvas tracking.
So many others. I love it.
And make sure the uMatrix default is to only allow resources to be fetched from the current domain, by the current domain. No external scripts or resources until you've agreed.
If you don't, then Google can see what sites you're browsing, since every one of them fetches stuff from Google fonts, Google Ajax scripts, Google Analytics etc.
I never bought and never will buy into corporate "FREE" stuff. If it's corporate it's out to get you one way or the other. Period.
FF had it's tries but it's driven by the community. 'Nuff said.
52 years old, just shy of $110k, great benefits, work from home, 37.5 hour work week (though no one checks). House paid for, two Audis in the garage paid for. Old enough that the housing crunch didn't hurt us one bit. Fuck Yeah. Millennial tears are delicious.
Privacy - use lynx or dillo. Definitely don't use any full featured browser with javascript or local object stores.
You can run the full browsers for emergencies using either a sandbox with a temporary virtual filesystem or in a container.
firejail is one,but there are others.
However I agree that running a browser made by a huge internet advertising company isn't the smartest things for your privacy. But that will be ignored, as over 50% of my email seems to go through gmail systems, which isn't exactly good for privacy either. Stop using gmail, please.
Since the major code refactor, Firefox has now leap frogged in terms of performance and memory usage over Chrome. I switched back initially because I of the reports that Firefox uses resources much more efficiently. Now, I am happy to be using it and not have my data mined.
All browsers are free yet they provide incredible functionality and value. I'm OK with the price of providing data to whomever has made the browser that I'm using. As long as they don't stifle my ability to anonymize myself or my ability to block any and all ads that I choose. So as long as this is true I'll select the browser that best suits my needs.
I left Firefox when they outed their CEO over a political donation. Fuck those SJW's.
make your browser and trusted crypto.
Dont let an ad company near your webcam, microphone, data.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
starting with version 47 (approx) Firefox took a quality control nosedive.
Every release now seems more unstable than the last.
Version 59.0.2 on a clean install of Fedora (64bit) seems unable to run for more than 5 or 6 minutes before either crashing or consuming all available memory and CPU performance and then making Linux lock-up. Not a hardware issue - the same system with 32bit Linux and an older Firefox is perfectly stable. It's all about the ads, particularly ones with video content and on pages that auto-reload. I've caught Firefox caching gigabytes even though it's set to have a limit of a few megabytes, and I'm quite tired of seeing it thrashing my hard drives. They NEVER should have removed the option to disable Javascript, NEVER should have made the option to block pop-ups non-functional. Maybe they should have not have forced Eich (Mr Javascript) to resign over his political beliefs - since apparently nobody left at Mozilla knows how to fix whatever they have screwed up in the current implementation of Javascript. The dumb thing is that they keep tweeking the user interface and adding features while not fixing whatever they broke in the core functionality something like 2 years ago.
It's rather depressing to have vastly worse web browsing experiences now than 15 years ago.
Don't forget https://www.seamonkey-project.... ... V2.49.3 currently uses Firefox v52 ESR's Gecko engine. :D
Ant(Dude) @ Quality Foraged Links (AQFL.net) & The Ant Farm (antfarm.ma.cx / antfarm.home.dhs.org).
It crashes faster and more frequently than any other piece of software I have run in the past 30 years.
I can't comment because FF is installing an update.
I use firefox anyway.
I have no axe to grind. I don't care what browser anybody uses.
All google wants to do is send you targetted ads, instead of random ads. You are going to see ads anyway.
Google is not prying into your private life. Google has billions of users, and uses algorithms to target ads. It is unlikely that anybody at google would recognize your name, or know anything about you.
Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it is a big deal. If so, maybe somebody could explain why?
Use Brave.
Why are you running such an old version of esx? Fucking muppet.
How does it work with public wifi? What about running a VPN? Hardware comparability? I've always been concerned it would brick my system or make some key tools unusable and I wouldn't be able to troubleshoot (I'm competent but not an expert).
Though uMatrix is initially harder to learn, once you get the hang of it, it's easier than NoScript and has more granular controls. It also runs on Chromium or Firefox.
Eich donated something like $1,000 as a private citizen to a third party to prohibit gay marriage. He wasn't a key player in some anti-gay group. I disagree with his political position because the state shouldn't be involved in marriage licensing at all, but it was COMPLETE SOCIAL MARXISM that drove him out as CEO. Ever since then, Mozilla has been circling the (toilet) drain.
Mozilla needs a wholesale purge of management and a new executive team in place which is going to focus on SOFTWARE rather than Democrat propaganda.
So....about 3 years ago I was annoyed that google services were so linked: once you connect to one (Gmail), you get connected to all (Youtube, Search etc.). Search was my biggest problem.
So I use Chrome for Gmail and Youtube (well, they already have my info) and do the rest of my browsing in Firefox (logged-out Google Search and all others).
For a lower-memory option (like a 4GB VM), I found I could open a Firefox private window and login to GMail+Youtube there (with saved passwords), leaving the main window unlogged to G services.
Oh....and I'm browsing under Ubuntu-mate, separate from my Windows Gaming powerhouse. And I don't use Facebook, although I think I would use that with Chrome since so many sites also use FB "tracking plugins".
Fuck off, fucctard. switch to safari and forget about all this crap.
Who cares.
This is the best option, hands down.
âoeThe policy also states that Chrome allows third-party websites to access your IP address and any information that site has tracked using cookies. â
Isnâ(TM)t this just a simple statement that âoecookies existâ? How is this in any way different from what any other browser does? If a site placed a cookie on the machine, the browser allows that site to access any information it put in the cookie, and your IP address (through HTTP Headers). The fact that itâ(TM)s listed in the privacy policy isnâ(TM)t necessarily suggesting thereâ(TM)s anything different about how it works, or more nefarious than what every other browser does.
The overall point is valid regardless, but no need to muddy the argument with scare tactics around normal browser behavior.
The quickest and least bloated browser is my biggest priority, sorry to be shallow.
I'm having a hard time parsing exactly what you want here. You're angry at Mozilla not doing more to the guy.
Ballot initiatives are legal, that's democracy at work. Sometimes people promote ideas that you won't like. Sometimes you promote ideas that *they* won't like. We can't just "sue" people for promoting different ideas through the ballot initiative system, *even if* they're ballot initiatives which promote things which are illegal. e.g.: that's the entire point of ballot initiatives, to change the laws, so *every* ballot initiative is promoting something that's currently not legal. That's the point of allowing them. Mozilla firefox is a private company, they can *fire* the guy, and that's the harshest legal action they can in fact take. They can't "sue" him because they have no grounds to sue: he supported something in his private life. They can't "arrest" him because he committed no crime.
No, the harshest *legal* action they can take is to fire him. It just sounds like you were looking for any excuse to blame Firefox no matter how it ended up.
* I'll go a step further and say that angrily demanding that people who merely advocate for changes through legal avenues should be put in prison is getting dangerously totalitarian in outlook, no matter how "morally right" your cause is. Demanding prison for people who don't respect the *idea* of gay rights is fundamentally no different to a theocracy that imprisons people for being heretics. ... We become the thing we most hate.
"I'll never use Firefox! Mozilla fired a guy for not having left-leaning values!"
"I'm okay using Chrome, even though Google fired a guy for not having left-leaning values."
Firefox with quantum is awesome and has FF seriously pissing into chrome territory again. Very nice. Love me some fresh competition in the browser space again.
The wait for the Rust redo was definitely worth it. I haven't used FF in ages and it's back up in my list of primary browsers, coming in second only to Brave (Chrome pimped out with serious privacy features).
My 2 eurocents.
Neither bug is documented in MDN.
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References: [Bugzilla links]
MDN is a wiki using GitHub authentication. If you have a GitHub account, and you know how to phrase something in a tone that's more descriptive than complaining, and you have time, you can correct this.
Although Opera was purchased by a Chinese owner, with likely links to the Chinese government, wouldn't Opera plus a few plugins also protect you ? Ghostery, HTTPS Everywhere, FlashBlock, AdBlock Plus, and your own paid separate VPN subscription ?
If you crush all the trackers and cookies, and have a different IP everytime you log in - would that be equal to or better than firefox ?
Why not just use the Discord app?
The Discord, Skype, and Slack desktop applications use Electron. This means each is literally a copy of Chromium hardcoded to view one website. Installing both Chromium and the Discord, Skype, and Slack desktop applications would just waste disk space, and running both Chromium and the Discord, Skype, and Slack desktop applications at the same time would just waste RAM.
What about Brave?
I use Firefox with SandboxIE. When I want to clear my history, I just wipe the sandbox and start again. No local cookie mechanism can survive that.
People should be switching to Vivaldi
Staying with Chromium. Should times change, i will switch back to FF.
I use Chrome myself, for all my browsing. I'm fully aware the thing is spying on my browsing habits every day, all day.
But then, pretty much every website is doing this regardless of my browser choice. It's not difficult to build a 'profile' of what any particular given user looks like (to a computer.) The point being, I could use something like Pale Moon, Firefox, or any other non-Chrome browser, but does that increase my privacy and security? Probably not.
By electing to use the most nosy browser there is (and I just like Chrome), I am never lulling myself in to a false sense of privacy or security. I know it's watching me and I use it accordingly.
It's soon coming to Android also, and eventually perhaps to desktop. Sandboxed tabs, HTTPS Everywhere, fingerprint blocking, ad/tracker blocking, script and cookie controls, and UA randomization. It's the most secure browser available currently on iOS.
https://snowhaze.com/
I hope you're not living in the literal cesspool (seriously, the whole city smells like feces and piss) known as San Francisco because if so, you're probably poor if you're making $110K.
Is Firefox secure enough to be invited to the contests where the hackers bring down apps? I know for some time they stopped letting hackers target Firefox for money because it was too easy...
Is anyone looking at forking quantum. Unlock origin and umatrix are the only extensions I use, and I like the performable and security benefits of quantum (and aesthetically I like that it uses rust).
refactor the law, its bloated, confusing and unmaintainable.
- You stop contributing to a monolithic web
- Firefox is now awesomely fast
- Some addons are unlocked (e.g. video downloaders work on youtube)
- Facebook/Google containers are awesome
- Screenshot tool is awesome
Not so good:
- Only supports one dictionary at time
- Downloads GUI is still stupid (the open/save dialog)
- Private tab keeps all addons o
It's not just Chrome without Google, there's built in ad-blocking etc.
Prove you did better then, jealous talker/stalker. Come on now. Let's see you show something you did @ all. You can't show a damn thing for your wasted life and you know it. Makes me laugh @ you and so does everyone else.
* Hate to tell you this but TONS of people on forums for Object Pascal and FreePascal regarding Linux showed they couldn't get it done but I have (3rd party toolkits failed etc. & so did their attempts @ a hokey hackjob work-around in TProcess use). When I had doubts in it being possible (their 'experts' said it needed Root as ping does in Linux via sudo), I took a look @ what others found - failure. Not me... fact.
(They were like YOU: HUMAN FAILS, but not I... no way. I couldn't live w/ myself being like YOU & 'your kind' (not-men weasels & punks))
APK
P.S.=> Then again, you're just a piece of shit loser who stalks me like the "jealous JOWIE" you are, lol - a do nothing "ne'er-do-well" ZERO = you, lmao (& you know it, constantly proving it to the rest of us no less as you stalk me "brave guy") - why don't you tell me your name, address, & phone number so I can verify WHO you are & then I'll come to you directly & beat your teeth out... ok? apk
Everyone sees you're an idiot and jealous little stalker plus a do-nothing lazy "ne'er-do-well" w/ no real skills in the art & science of programming.
* ... & you KNOW it (hence why you "hide" behind UNIDENTFIABLE anonymous posts as you stalk me like the pussy bitch you are, lol...)
APK
P.S.=> Projecting you masturbate now too - figures - no woman would want a punk weasel like you (they don't respect "your kind", the 'not-men', anymore than I do)... apk
I tried to switch - but firefox was too slow - I'd end up spending 10-30 seconds waiting for it to do something?
While absolutely non-profits can and are actively abused in different ways, they are generally orders of magnitude better than the abuse from most full corporations...
A) Generally, non-profits are full corporations. Like the one in question, Mozilla.
B) If by 'order of magnitude' you mean a factor of ten ... then bullshit. They are easily within.
WRT to sharing/selling/abusing the data of a customer and/or donor, the non-profits are worse. Likely by about an order of magnitude.