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No More 'Miracles From Molecules': Monsanto's Name Is Being Retired (reuters.com)
Flexagon writes: Germany's Bayer announced today that in its link-up with Monsanto, it's retiring the "Monsanto" name, and with it the name of the company that originally sponsored Disneyland's "Adventure Thru Inner Space" attraction. The $63 billion takeover will wrap up on Thursday. "Bayer will remain the company name. Monsanto will no longer be a company name. The acquired products will retain their brand names and become part of the Bayer portfolio," it said.
The decision to retire the name is a smart business move. "These days Monsanto is shorthand for, as NPR's Dan Charles has put it, 'lots of things that some people love to hate': Genetically modified crops, which Monsanto invented," reports NPR. "Seed patents, which Monsanto has fought to defend. Herbicides such as Monsanto's Roundup, which protesters have sharply criticized for its possible health risks. Big agriculture in general, of which Monsanto was the reviled figurehead."
The decision to retire the name is a smart business move. "These days Monsanto is shorthand for, as NPR's Dan Charles has put it, 'lots of things that some people love to hate': Genetically modified crops, which Monsanto invented," reports NPR. "Seed patents, which Monsanto has fought to defend. Herbicides such as Monsanto's Roundup, which protesters have sharply criticized for its possible health risks. Big agriculture in general, of which Monsanto was the reviled figurehead."
It's a toxic brand: I'm surprised it took that long. I mean, Bayer isn't called "IG Farben" for good reason. Bayer associates with "aspirin", which is good, right!?!
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"These days Monsanto is shorthand for, as NPR's Dan Charles has put it, 'lots of things that some people love to hate':"
MUCH better they are now called by the name of the company known for gassing Jews.
What's Bayer's ethics like? Will we see any change in "evil" Monsanto?
Monsanto name is gone, however their genetically modified crops that only grow with their products remains.
i.e. nothing has changed.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
The decision to retire the name is a smart business move. "These days Monsanto is shorthand for, as NPR's Dan Charles has put it, 'lots of things that some people love to hate': Genetically modified crops, which Monsanto invented," reports NPR. "Seed patents, which Monsanto has fought to defend. Herbicides such as Monsanto's Roundup, which protesters have sharply criticized for its possible health risks. Big agriculture in general, of which Monsanto was the reviled figurehead."
And here I for one thought the smarter business move would be to retire those products and practices which are harmful to people and the environment...
like dissing 2 megaslothian genociders with one decision..
Bayer is now the biotechnology migraine headache of the 21st century.
Why is Snark Required?
Maybe they'll deliver free asprin to roundup customers to fight the headaches?
What else have they to show on the positive side?
Disnex can attacl Mars and declare Martian Buddys republic. How can you say no?
lets hate Bayer now :-)
So we're all still going to have genetically modified crops, seed patents and dangerous herbicides, but it's going to belong to the aspirin people now so everything is better, yes? That's all it takes?
Zyklon B was Bayer.
*shrugs* As easy as they can transfer financial ownership, I can transfer my blame to the new owner. I can hold Bayer responsible for all the actions of Monsanto now, easy peasy. If Bayer did not intend such, then why did they make such a foolish purchase?
Yay! One more evil corporation to add to the boycott list!
Heidrich, is that you?
I think EU and US citizens should lobby their representatives to pass a law forcing Bayer to print on all of these acquired products: "Formerly known as Monsanto xyz". It's only fair that legacy is not forgotten since most people have a problem remembering things from the past.
Monsanto more or less single-handedly gave bio-engineering (in the widest sense, including genetic engineering / modification, molecular biology, agro sience) a bad name (they and the possibility to patent genes, I think). As a former bio-chemistry undergrad I'm far from a techno-phobe, I know where genetic engineering is used, what it can do (producing human insuline for example). But I know, the way Monsanto does / did genetic engineering, it brings farmer into their dependency. It's a total vendor lock-in.
As a German, I'm greatly dissappointed, Bayer bought into this totally evil brand (no, no quotes to make that adjective softer). Removing the old name will not help, the portfolio (and the methods) remain the same.
How can you patent a seed????
That's right: now do us a service by reminding everyone everywhere: Emerdata is the new Cambridge Analytica.
It's easy to memorize Emerdata, like the French merde. Shitty data or something.
"The decision to retire the name is a smart business move."
The decision is a smart business move only because you have enough idiots out there who fall for the sleight-of-name trick.
A company being forced to change it's name tends to say a lot about all of the immoral, unethical shit that piled up high and deep to justify such a change. In the end, little will change other than the name. All the shit that people were pissed off at Monsanto will continue for one reason; because it's profitable.
And the ignorant masses will fall for it, as they celebrate their "win." The evil Monsanto was defeated today.
What is hilarious is that the same people that constantly shout, "Science!" with respect to their causes that they find are supported by science, completely ignore the conspicuous lack of science to support their claims about GMO, Round Up, etc.
Yes I agree! How peoole can make any claims that GMOs are safe with respect to the wider ecosystem, with virtually no test data is ridiculous and anti-science BS
just remember that in any discussion on the topic. They are both the same.
(tour guide) "Now then children if you look to the left you'll see the brand new Happy Smiley fun land complex".
(child) "Didn't that place used to be called Auschwitz ?"
(tour guide) "Ooh look over there. Happy squirrels !!!"
> All changing your name like that does is publicly admit that your reputation is impossible to salvage and you are trying to be sneaky.
What the heck are you talking about? Why in the world would the larger company, Bayer, change ITS name to the name of the smaller company it is acquiring? Of course Bayer is keeping their name.
What could be sneaky be if $bigcompany bought $smallcompany and then changed its name to $smallcompany. Keeping their name is what companies normally do when they make acquisitions.
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and they still put poison in everything they sell
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Yesterday, Monsanto was the source of hatred. Tomorrow, it will be Bayer. It's already getting there, in fact.
Bayer was the one that profited from selling freaking HIV infected medicines, AFTER they knew they dumped cheap on the '3rd world'.
Yes I agree! How peoole can make any claims that non-GMOs are safe with respect to the wider ecosystem, with virtually no test data is ridiculous and anti-science BS
Aside from the stupid rhetorical reversal trick (employed exclusively by those without an argument), are you saying that a product subject to EPA regulations underwent NO testing what-so-ever?
How fucking stupid are you people?
The EPA considers glyphosate to have low toxicity when used at the recommended doses. “Risk estimates for glyphosate were well below the level of concern,” said EPA spokesman Dale Kemery. The EPA classifies glyphosate as a Group E chemical, which means there is strong evidence that it does not cause cancer in humans.
From fucking OBAMA'S EPA.
Do you think for one fucking second that they wouldn't ban this if they thought they had a case?
Holy Fucking Shit you people are God Damned Luddites.
You mean like when Avago bought Broadcom but kept Broadcoms name?
Why in the world would the larger company, Bayer, change ITS name to the name of the smaller company it is acquiring?
See: AT&T
But seriously, huge companies do not usually use the parent company's name. How many products in the grocery aisle have you seen marked as Mondelez International? You see plenty of Kraft, Nabisco, Cadbury, etc.
Its not like big companies ever keep the names of smaller companies intact under their corporate umbrella.
You're still a snake.
Sure. A poison is just harmless. This is the kind of nonsense that makes you "science groupies" look no better than members of the American Family Association or the Taliban.
We have plenty of examples of things we once thought were harmless that didn't turn out to be so harmless later. We also have good examples of "science" driven by political and corporate agenda.
Anyone that's ever taken a stats course should be well aware of that great line attributed to Clemens & Disraeli.
Your blind faith is unwarranted and unbecoming anyone that understands science as a methodology rather than a body of unassailable doctrine.
It's ignorant of history too.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
You also see Bayer in the supermarket, it's a brand.
As you said, Mondelez International isn't a big grocery brand (it's a new company) Nabisco and Kraft are major consumer brands. Of course if you're choosing between a major brand name and new name nobody has heard of, you keep using the successful brand.
People like to currently whine that Trump is corrupt for inviting members of industry to serve in government. This is another great example of liberal "selective outrage". This kind of crap has been going on for decades and Monsanto has been been riding that particular revolving door quite a bit.
If you think that Obama was any less corrupt than the rest then you need to listen to less superficial news outlets. I suggest NPR.
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Holy shit you are a fucking naive twit.
"Obama's EPA" was/is stacked with former Monsanto executives. And trumpy is mixing in former Big oil executives now and gutting regulations. Environmental "Protection" agency my ass.
Name a single thing that science once though was harmless that didn't turn out to be so and that also have been put through such an extensive number of studies and experiments as GMOs have. GMOs have been a thing for 35 years now, strange that all that harm have not emerged yet.
No matter the name if you are the biggest name in a field you will be torn down by the extreme left for being evil. They always single out the largest name in any field. Look at Greenpeace at Apple even though its the most green of any computer manufacturer they always go after them not Dell Hp etc.. Everyone hates on McDonalds not Subway, Burger King etc.. Walmart but not Kroger and countless other examples. The point is left extremists hate success and find anyway they can to spread hate on what were small mom and pop shops that excelled. Not saying some of them are not bad but why not look at the good in the world instead of the constant negativity.
It's a move to "kill" the brand that everyone hates. Instead, it will just become Bayer that people hate. Maybe they'll then kill themselves too?
And you do know that sometimes the people at government agencies make mistakes? Or are subject to pressures, either social, financial, or otherwise?
And how much of this work done at "Obama's EPA" is really just grandfathered in work from some previous administration? How are we to trust the work of the Trump EPA, when the President himself says things like "Global warming is a Chinese hoax" (https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385)?
Once the Trump administration is finally in the dustbin of history, how many mistakes will have been made that will be the status quo in the next, presumably Democratic, administration?
I do not have a signature
In related news, Oracle is changing its name to "Cuddly Bunny".
Table-ized A.I.
Obama's officials too so many lawful-bribes it's not even funny.
How does it feel to shill for the profit interests of the oligarchy at the expense if the health of the whole fucking planet? Is your grandma proud?
CO2, Tetraethyl lead and lead in general, CFCs, Thalidomide, and perhaps cigarettes. It's a short list, and doesn't actually refute overall point, but yes, there have been a few fairly serious scientific errors in the past.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
If you're not on the revisionist side of the argument, why don't you pipe down? Holocaust denial does not deserve some sort of rigorous disproof. Being shouted down in public is their least deserts; they're lucky that such speech isn't criminal.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Kinda like how Blackwater changed to Xe Services and currently is named Academi. Enough name changes and you can hit the reset button on a poor reputation.
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You mean IBM, Ford, and others? Those lovely American companies that managed the logistics and provided hardware to nazis so they could gas jews?
Whenever I think of IBM and Ford, the first thing that comes to my mind is they facilitated the gassing of jews, so I never give them any money.
Ford had a portrait of Hitler on his wall. He's such a good American that Ford.
Further testing showed there were indeed signs of it causing cancer.
And THAT'S when people started complaining.
Sugar
So, I will start boycotting pharmaceuticals from Bayer then ...
Besides those brand containing "Bayer" in the name, they also own Adverio, AgraQuest, Agreva, AgrEvo, AlcaFleu, Athenix, Berlifarma, Berlimed, Berlipharm, Berlis, BGI, Biagro, Biogenetic Technologies, BlueRock Therapeutics, Casebia Therapeutics, Centrofarma, Chemdyes Pakistan, Chemion, Collaterial Therapeutics, Conceptus SAS, Cooksonia Opco, Cooper Land Company of New Jersey, Coppertone, CorporaciÃn Bonima, Covestro, CropScience NewCo, Currenta, Delinting and Seed Treating Company, (Kunmig) Dihon Pharmaceuticals, Dr Scholl, Farmaco, Flagship Ventures, GP Grenzach, Hild Samen, Hornbeck Seed Company, Imaxeon, Intendis, Intraserv, Jenapharm, KVP Pharma, Medipharm, Medrad, Menadier Heilmittel, MiraLAX, Myanmar Aventis CropScience, Nanjing Baijingyu Pharmaceutical Co, NippoNex, NOR-AM Agro, Numhems, Pallas Versicherung, Pandias, Productos QuÃmicos Naturales, Shering /Schering-Plough, Steigerwald Arzneimittelwerk, STWB, TecArena+, Tectrion, TravelBoard.
Gah. That was a longer list than I thought it would be. (From Bayer's web page)
"We mustn't be caught by surprise by our own advancing technology" -- Aldous Huxley
...should all our lunar gopher complaints be addressed to now?
Because feeding people is baaaaad!
Morans.
Every union, even the ones Amerikuks love to whine about because without them your Freedumbs would be worth $2.50/hr. What is your shitty not living wage standard in the USA again?? kek
Do it.
Your life is worth nothing anyways.
You will never matter.
Good strawman argument. OP points out that GMO are not fully tested with respect to how they'll affect the ecosystem, and you respond with a rant specifically about toxicity in humans.
"I'm so moist I'm sticking to the leather." -Kermit the Frog on The Late Late Show
Granted, Agent Orange was a long time ago, and Monsanto wasn't the only company producing the herbicide, but it was still a very, very nasty product that had severe consequences for the people of Vietnam and many US soldiers who fought there.
Sure. A poison is just harmless. This is the kind of nonsense that makes you "science groupies" look no better than members of the American Family
Actually yes, poison is harmless in most cases. No matter how much you may think that the food that you eat is "natural", "organic", "pure", "homeopathic", "in tune with Gaia", or whatever your fetish may or may not be, you're still going to end up with poison somewhere in the mix. I'm not setting it, it's just a fact.
The key thing that you're overlooking is that it's the dose that makes the poison, not the substance itself. Take meadow saffron for example; extremely deadly plant, eating a leaf will most likely cause an excruciatingly painful death, but eating a tiny fraction of the leaf relieves gout. And then there's always water; dinking too much of it at once will lead to an unpleasant death by hyponatremia.
Glyphosate is similar. Trace amounts on food won't do anything to you, neither long term nor short term. The main issue with glyphosate is that it is a skin irritant, but in concentrations a few hundred orders of magnitude above what your thinking. EPA bribe conspiracy theories notwithstanding, given there is so much hate towards it, I think some well funded hippie group would have found something in the 28 years that roundup has been a thing. That is, of course, if they can manage to pull it off without scientific fraud, because they're having a hard time doing it any other way for their other pet cause.
http://www.slate.com/articles/...
Unfortunately, the fraudulent "truth" is the only one they're willing to accept, it seems.
Not only for Bayer's terrible PR problems, or their Nazi past, or their ethically dubious endeavors, there is not enough Aspirin to make people forget their stunts and Monsanto's together.
Fun fact- my father did landscaping his entire life. He was around pesticides nearly every day. He got lung cancer and lymphoma that metasticized through his bones. He died. As did 2 of his coworkers, from the same condition.
And here I though that LCHF and Atkins where since long dead. Shouldn't all you hipsters be Paleo by now? And if you didn't get it, no science have never said that sugar is healthy (nor is it bad unless you overeat).
Aspartame. The FDA board originally denied Searleâ(TM)s application because in addition to the 1,200 studies that showed aspartame was safe, there were 900 studies with results that suggested it wasnâ(TM)t - studies that Searle carefully buried. George W pleased his masters by adding an additional seat to the FDA board and filling that seat with a shill who promptly voted to approve Nutrasweet. The general counsel for Searle at the time? John Ashcroft.
Good luck with that one. Aspartame have been the focus for numerous studies for decades and have time and time again been shown to be safe for human consumption. What ever George W might have been involved in is not something that I know or care about, I'm not American and George W did nothing to put Aspartame past the FDA equivalent in my country.
Go ahead post links to scientific studies showing harm....we're waiting.
Fun fact Dad did not work in landscaping and died of cancer too...
Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence at all.
Sorry to hear about your Dad...but grow up and accept that "shift happens".
All Monsanto products are now brought to you from the company that brought you heroin, Bayer.
They can eat shit and die, just like Monsanto. Changing your name does not change who you are.
You mean like SBC purchasing AT&T?