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A Nationwide Comcast Landline Outage is Affecting Thousands of Businesses (theverge.com)

Comcast's Xfinity phone service is apparently suffering a massive outage today, knocking out phone service for thousands of companies across the country that still largely rely on landline access to do business. From a report: According to DownDetector.com, Comcast phone service began experiencing issues around 8AM ET this morning and by the afternoon, areas around the country have started reporting disruptions. The areas most affected appear to be the Pacific Northwest, California, the tri-state area, and Florida. The official support Twitter account for Comcast Xfinity's residential and business services has acknowledged the issues, tweeting at 1PM ET today that some "customers may still be experiencing an issue with their Voice service," though Comcast has yet to release an official statement regarding the issue.

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  1. Comcast Down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In other news the sky is still blue.

  2. The "tri state area"? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Phineas and Ferb hardest hit?

    1. Re:The "tri state area"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously it was the ComcastService-inator 3000!

    2. Re:The "tri state area"? by Aqualung812 · · Score: 1

      Obviously, the tri-state area can only mean the Cincinnati area. There are no other points on the map where 3 states meet. /sarc

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    3. Re:The "tri state area"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google tells me tri-state means "Solid, Liquid, and Gas". Plasma having working landline service is clearly "News for Nerds".

    4. Re:The "tri state area"? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      Well, it does rule out the four corners region.

    5. Re:The "tri state area"? by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      Yea it is kind of ambiguous, for those interested these are the main ones in the US:Tri-state areas.

    6. Re:The "tri state area"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Hawaii...

    7. Re:The "tri state area"? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Well, it does rule out the four corners region.

      Well, perhaps it's bad in three of those states, but Arizona got spared thanks to the heroic efforts of Joe Arpaio...

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    8. Re:The "tri state area"? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Obviously, the tri-state area can only mean the Cincinnati area. There are no other points on the map where 3 states meet. /sarc

      Just in case someone overlooks the "sarcasm" tag... here's why it was a sarcastic comment

      Massachussetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island.

      Oklahoma, New Mexico, Texas.

      Oregon, California, Nevada.

      Montana, Idaho, Wyoming.

      I could go on...

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    9. Re:The "tri state area"? by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      ...and Alaska. See, we are narrowing it down!

    10. Re:The "tri state area"? by khandom08 · · Score: 2

      I could go on...

      And indeed you should have! I live in the NJ, NY, PA tri-state area you insensitive clod!

      HRMMPH!!!! ;)

    11. Re: The "tri state area"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in the NJ, NY, PA tri-state area you insensitive clod!

      We must be neighbors. I live in the NY, NJ, CTb tri-state area.

    12. Re: The "tri state area"? by khandom08 · · Score: 1

      TMI

    13. Re:The "tri state area"? by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      My home is near the border of three states. I work and live in one state, and I go shopping in an other. The third state, doesn't have close by major towns, so I don't go there much.

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  3. Less robbo callers today by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I havent had my robocalls today, they must be comcast customers

  4. Only idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would have a phone service that can go down as often as Comcast does. Good luck dialing 911 when in an emergency. The TOS for VoIP phone lines even cover this since it happens so often.

    1. Re:Only idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      I work at 9-1-1.

      EVERYONE should have a landline, even if you never use it. The day you need it for 9-1-1, you'll be glad.

      See, it's not just the reliability of landline...it's the instant and infallible (mostly) address lookup.

      Any other calling service, IP phones, VoIP software, cellular, radio, satellite...you have a slim chance of the address appearing instantly on the dispatcher's screen. A few seconds can be the difference between dying and living. Also, FYI many calls include a caller who CAN'T say where they are due to suffering, bleeding, screaming, fear, being chased, burning flames, etc. YOU WANT YOUR ADDRESS TO APPEAR AUTOMATICALLY.

    2. Re:Only idiots by khandom08 · · Score: 1

      This needs a +5. Sadly I have none to contribute to this INSIGHTFUL comment.

    3. Re:Only idiots by khandom08 · · Score: 1

      Actually I should have typed INFORMATIVE

    4. Re:Only idiots by starblazer · · Score: 1

      Good luck ordering POTS nowadays. Everything is going VoIP. I mean in MA you can't get POTS service anymore from VZW. Cellular has come quite a way. Yes, it may not be foolproof, but you may not be at home when you keel over from a heart attack, what good is your landline going to do when you can't reach it?

    5. Re:Only idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you are being chased I doubt you will be using that landline. If so, that address it provides will be useless moments later.

    6. Re:Only idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      I work at 9-1-1.

      EVERYONE should have a landline, even if you never use it. The day you need it for 9-1-1, you'll be glad.

      See, it's not just the reliability of landline...it's the instant and infallible (mostly) address lookup.

      Any other calling service, IP phones, VoIP software, cellular, radio, satellite...you have a slim chance of the address appearing instantly on the dispatcher's screen. A few seconds can be the difference between dying and living. Also, FYI many calls include a caller who CAN'T say where they are due to suffering, bleeding, screaming, fear, being chased, burning flames, etc. YOU WANT YOUR ADDRESS TO APPEAR AUTOMATICALLY.

      Seconds don't matter. Not when the police take 15 minutes to arrive and the ambulance takes 10. If you go into cardiac arrest 10 minutes and 30 seconds doesn't matter when compared to 8 minutes. You're still dead. If someone breaks in, 15 minutes don't matter when compared to 3 minutes when you're being stabbed.

      My family knows CPR, First Aid, and how to shoot. Why in the hell would we need a worthless government service like 911? (And before someone comments 'fire', I have a pond with several thousand gallons of water and two trash pumps that can do about 250 gallons per minute each.)

    7. Re:Only idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Posting AC because I just modded it up to +5.

    8. Re:Only idiots by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      See, it's not just the reliability of landline...it's the instant and infallible (mostly) address lookup.

      Or we could join the 21st century and actually send our GPS coordinates or other location service information to 911 operators.

      Personally there are plenty of seconds saved NOT having to go find a landline. Plus in many countries the 911 operator will actually talk you through what to do which works exceptionally well when you're not forced to leave the victim.

    9. Re:Only idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't 1921. If the 911 system can't handle mobile phones, then you're partly responsible. If it takes 30 seconds later because you have to look on a second screen in a badly implemented system, those 30 seconds are on you. Mobile first. Even for 911. If you're not directly responsible for the bad/slow system design, then your superiors are, or their superiors.

    10. Re:Only idiots by DulcetTone · · Score: 1

      It is safer to wait for tech to close this small vulnerability than to shoulder the social burden of having a landline.

      It's like AOL

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    11. Re: Only idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not for $30/month in fees and taxes. That's without free long distance and no caller ID.

      No thanks. I have my ham radios which work just fine. My local EOC/911 center monitors them during emergencies and has a ham radio room nist for this purpose.

    12. Re:Only idiots by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I work at 9-1-1.

      EVERYONE should have a landline, even if you never use it. The day you need it for 9-1-1, you'll be glad.

      See, it's not just the reliability of landline...it's the instant and infallible (mostly) address lookup.

      Any other calling service, IP phones, VoIP software, cellular, radio, satellite...you have a slim chance of the address appearing instantly on the dispatcher's screen. A few seconds can be the difference between dying and living. Also, FYI many calls include a caller who CAN'T say where they are due to suffering, bleeding, screaming, fear, being chased, burning flames, etc. YOU WANT YOUR ADDRESS TO APPEAR AUTOMATICALLY.

      I once saw a youtube video of someone trying to call 911 after a home invasion. He was tied and gagged and it was fun him trying to explain what happened and where he was to the operator.

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    13. Re:Only idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My family knows CPR, First Aid, and how to shoot. Why in the hell would we need a worthless government service like 911? (And before someone comments 'fire', I have a pond with several thousand gallons of water and two trash pumps that can do about 250 gallons per minute each.)

      My family's got lots of capabilities, too. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone could have the opportunities our families have had to become self reliant?

    14. Re:Only idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My family knows CPR, First Aid, and how to shoot. Why in the hell would we need a worthless government service like 911? (And before someone comments 'fire', I have a pond with several thousand gallons of water and two trash pumps that can do about 250 gallons per minute each.)

      My family's got lots of capabilities, too. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone could have the opportunities our families have had to become self reliant?

      If you live in America, you do have those opportunities. Just keep in mind they are opportunities. You can make something of yourself or you can just as easily choose to drink, do drugs, join gangs, or whatever. They aren't guarantees.

    15. Re:Only idiots by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      My family knows CPR

      Awesome, your family should know how to sustain a heart attack victim until a paramedic arrives. I assume, since you don't like "worthless government services", you are going to call around each hospital to find one with an ambulance available?

      I have a pond with several thousand gallons of water and two trash pumps that can do about 250 gallons per minute each.

      Also awesome, probably useful to help keep things in check until the professionals arrive with the proper tools. Unless you have heat resistant gear, SCBAs, ladder trucks, multiple hoses, nozzles and a bunch of friends ready jump at a minute's notice too?

    16. Re:Only idiots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awesome, your family should know how to sustain a heart attack victim until a paramedic arrives. I assume, since you don't like "worthless government services", you are going to call around each hospital to find one with an ambulance available?

      LOL! No, I can call a *private* ambulance service. Not one that continually does a levy against property taxes that *force* you to subsidize them at the threat of losing your home if you don't pay for them.

      Also awesome, probably useful to help keep things in check until the professionals arrive with the proper tools. Unless you have heat resistant gear, SCBAs, ladder trucks, multiple hoses, nozzles and a bunch of friends ready jump at a minute's notice too?

      Naah. I can fight it myself. I have fought it myself. I used to work in a district with a 'fire association'. You had the choice of paying for fire service or not--as opposed to being forced to subsidize overpaid lazy government employees under the property-tax-threat of having my home taken away.

  5. I have Xfinity voice, no issues at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course it came as a required part of a bundle and I never hooked it up. But still, I'm happy to report no issues at all today!

  6. hahaha "even 911 calls" by iggymanz · · Score: 0

    love that bit of unnecessary sensationalism under the headline at the link, yeah duh, if the phone is down it won't call 911 either. Let's make it really spicy and say that "even calls to pro-Democrat fund raising and lobbyist organizations"

    1. Re:hahaha "even 911 calls" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In the pre-VoIP days when phone lines were hard-wired into the central office, you were always able to pick up the phone and get a dialtone to at least dial the operator or call 911. The VoIP part is the big difference since you need all 7 OSI layers in place before you can even think about making a call. POTS central offices had batteries providing backup power and the system was designed to be as resilient as possible...but you can't do much more than voice with a system like that.

    2. Re:hahaha "even 911 calls" by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      That's not true about only being able to do voice -- many countries run 50-100 mbps VDSL over twisted-pair copper. It just has to be properly maintained, not be neglected 1920s-era paper-insulated circuits.

    3. Re:hahaha "even 911 calls" by sjames · · Score: 1

      It's not sensationalism. In that location, you cannot call 911 on any phone, Comcast or not, because the 911 call center itself is down. In other areas, naturally your Comcast line can't call 911 (or anything else), but your cellphone would still work.

    4. Re:hahaha "even 911 calls" by khandom08 · · Score: 1

      but your cellphone would still work

      But as someone in a higher thread noted, if you become incapacitated, your call for help will likely not be traceable.

    5. Re:hahaha "even 911 calls" by sjames · · Score: 1

      That's not the same situation as call 911, nothing happens though. That's why reporting that especially bad situation was not at all an attempt to sensationalize.

    6. Re:hahaha "even 911 calls" by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      no. wrong.

      If you actually read the article, the police put out a message saying customers wouldn't be able to reach 911 center if they had comcast voip, to use cell phone instead.

      wow, you swallow the sensationalism hook, line and sinker. hope you have a good spam and ad blocker so you don't go bankrupt believing the B.S. you'd read.

    7. Re:hahaha "even 911 calls" by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      nonsense, 911 centers do locate cell phones. in some situations the location may not be exact, but that happens with VOIP calls too.

  7. and 20 years ago this was unheard of by theNetImp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    20 years ago your phone never went down, it just worked. Always...

    1. Re: and 20 years ago this was unheard of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How could you tell? They just charged you an arm and a leg to make a call.

    2. Re: and 20 years ago this was unheard of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article is talking about businesses that rely on land lines. If the telephone system back in the day had failures that prevented businesses from conducting business, it would have made the headlines. And businesses can easily afford the phone costs.

      Meanwhile, most everybody else used his land line for local calls, which do not cost anything extra beyond the monthly phone bills. Meanwhile, my mobile phone has never missed an opportunity to not work when a citywide emergency (floods) occurred.

      In short, the old telephone system of copper wires was incredibly reliable. I'm quite certain that the reliability of the phone network was better than 99.9% (it may have been 99.999%. unfortunately, I cannot remember what the former telco engineer told me). The trash that passes as telecom infrastructure nowadays could never achieve that kind of reliability (8 hours down time for the entire year at 99.9%, 52 minutes down time for the entire year for 99.99%, ~5 minute down time for the entire year at 99.999%) due to all sorts of corner cutting from inadequate physical infrastructure to inadequate personnel.

    3. Re:and 20 years ago this was unheard of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the nostalgia grand pa!

    4. Re: and 20 years ago this was unheard of by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Local calls were free, with carrier choice, "long-distance" was 5 to 10 cents per minute. Hardly "an arm and a leg." The odd thing that got you were in-state calls not classified as local or long distance -- those tended to be 25 cents/min.

    5. Re:and 20 years ago this was unheard of by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      20 years ago your phone never went down, it just worked. Always...

      ... on the other hand, you could only use it within a few feet of the wall jack - depending on how long your handset cord was. And if you had a wireless handset (as most people did by then), you were SOL even if the phone line itself was technically still up.

      We kept an old Bell Slimline phone plugged into the phone jack in the bedroom for exactly this reason.

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    6. Re:and 20 years ago this was unheard of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and 20 years ago, when I wanted to video chat with my friend in Japan while taking a shit in the bathroom of *an airplane* (never you mind why I would do such a thing), there was almost NO LAG. And we LIKED it that way!

    7. Re:and 20 years ago this was unheard of by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Somebody doesn't remember the joy of fast busy, indicating that there were no available lines for your call to transit.

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    8. Re:and 20 years ago this was unheard of by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      20 years ago your phone never went down, it just worked. Always...

      That isn't even remotely true.

    9. Re:and 20 years ago this was unheard of by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I remember the old party lines. I'd lift the receiver and hear someone else talking on the phone. Yes, I'm that old.

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    10. Re:and 20 years ago this was unheard of by SuiteSisterMary · · Score: 1

      Shit, I remember visiting a rural relative about, oh, twenty, maybe twenty-five years ago, still had a party line.

      I also remember having 'pen pals' which involved writing on special extra-thin paper, envelopes with red and blue stripes on the border, and waiting six to eight weeks to reply.

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    11. Re:and 20 years ago this was unheard of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why it's funny that AT&T advertises internet service that is "99%" reliable. I'll take that to mean 98.5%. That means that in a 168 hour week, you can expect your internet service to be down 1.5% of the time, about 2.5 hours a week. Still sound so great?

      The company previously known as AT&T, sometimes called Ma Bell, had an uptime of something like 99.999%. Really.

    12. Re:and 20 years ago this was unheard of by theNetImp · · Score: 1

      I never had any children, not a grandpa, now get off my lawn!

  8. Not just Florida... by fallen1 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I've just been on the phone with Comcast for over 2 hours. This is from Chicago down to Florida and spread all over. I have locations that I take care of across Georgia and Florida and every single Comcast location is affected. VoIP and landlines alike. They can't even forward the lines I need forwarded because their system has locked the Voice team out of that function.

    This is the second time in, what?, 6 months or so that they've been hit with a vast, multi-state outage. We depend on fax lines (yes, still the most secure form of communication when it comes to HIPAA and related issues - plus the easiest to train/utilize), and my company will be missing everything from our affected locations for 4+ hours. Tens of thousands of dollars in immediate jeopardy with much more in possible losses to come.

    Want to bet we won't even get a credit on our next bill? Ma Bell might have been a bastard monopolistic company, but copper lines in the ground had better up-time than a lot of what I've witnessed moving to VoIP and such technologies. Now get off my lawn, you're standing on the fiber lines.

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    1. Re:Not just Florida... by WolfgangVL · · Score: 1

      I;m dealing with pretty much the same scenario in Western WA.

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    2. Re:Not just Florida... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      sending unecrypted faxes over phone lines is the most secure method? bahaha.

      https://luxsci.com/blog/hipaa-fax-breach-health-care-finally-stop-faxing.html

    3. Re:Not just Florida... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and ditto...

      Real nice. We have a delivery pending, they are waiting to call and schedule delivery.....now, if we only had phones.

    4. Re:Not just Florida... by No+Longer+an+AC · · Score: 1

      That puts a damper on my initial feeling of schadenfreude upon seeing Comcast outage.

      Yes, I hate Comcast, but it's their business customers that are being hurt here.

    5. Re:Not just Florida... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I've just been on the phone with Comcast for over 2 hours.

      You sound like one of the idiot customers that calls our data center when there is a network issue.

      "I'll get on the phone with the level one tech there and waste his time for hours because my service is down!"

      Meanwhile, those who can actually solve your problem knew about it before you did and have been working on it. You calling them "for over 2 hours" does nothing useful, but might possibly slow down the solution if you can manage to annoy the people working on it.

    6. Re:Not just Florida... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We depend on fax lines (yes, still the most secure form of communication when it comes to HIPAA and related issues - plus the easiest to train/utilize

      Is that before or after you factor in idiots dialing the wrong number?

    7. Re:Not just Florida... by brausch · · Score: 1

      Actually where I used to work, we got lots of misdirected medical faxes. Our phone number was just 1 digit off from one of the local clinics and our fax machine would receive medical reports it wasn't supposed to. We'd call them and let them know then feed it to the shredder. So faxes may or may not be "the most secure form of communication when it comes to HIPAA" but it is far from foolproof.

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    8. Re: Not just Florida... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thatâ(TM)s what you get when your company is full of cheap bastards. Get copper and never look back. Poor you.

  9. Can You Hear Me Now? by Zorro · · Score: 1

    NOPE!

    1. Re:Can You Hear Me Now? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      NOPE!

      Verizon should use that in their commercials. "Can you hear me now? Hello! Anyone there? Oh, it's a Comcast number."

  10. All right who did it? by bobbied · · Score: 1

    Who forgot to turn of automatic windows updates again???

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  11. Nationwide Comcast Landline Outage? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is that news? It's been decades.

  12. Tri-state Area? by paulej72 · · Score: 1

    Which tri-state area? I guess all of them.

  13. POTS Reliability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to crow about POTS reliability. 99.999% reliability. Until one day, I wanted to make a call, and the line was dead.

    And the neighbors line was dead.

    and the entire neighborhood was dead.

    Dead, for 7 days.

    Bell offered to credit us for the outage, $7 on a $49/Mo bill. $1 per day, thats what an outage was worth.

    For $49/Mo for POTS service, on an outage lasting more than a few hours, I expect a company rep to hand deliver me a cellphone, with enough credit to talk all I want until the outage is resolved.

    It was after that, I decided to move to VoIP, and get a cheap pay-as-you go cellphone, "just in case". Thus far, the VoIP has been very reliable.

    I now pay $5.32/Mo for phone service, for all I can talk to Canada and the USA. Sure, my internet bill is higher, but:

    -no long distance charges
    -no usage limits

  14. comcast stock price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comcast is important. I saw a Comcast tech getting the job done. I almost asked what he was doing but said nothing. Comcast Business. Comcast is good. But I need to learn more. Post from l0pht number too

  15. Re:No prison calls, Trumpy - they record those too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Want some cheese with that whine? It seems you whine on every fucking story, so have some Limburger cheese... It'll smell better than you do HRC.

  16. some points of info by darkain · · Score: 4, Informative

    At roughly 2PM (the past few minutes), service is finally appearing to work again. It was out since start of day at this business at 8AM. Firstly, Comcast Business is not the same as Comcast / Xfinity in terms of service and reliability. I manage an office that uses Comcast Business, and this is the first major outage we've experience since getting the service years ago, save for one time an idiot from a different company literally cut the fiber line a block away from the building.

    The phone service is VoIP based, not POTS based. There are very few companies that offer the level of service this business needed, and of those, competitors wanted over $1000/mo each, whereas Comcast is a fraction of that price. Yeah, inb4 "you get what you pay for" - other companies have outages too, they just don't make the front page because they're smaller entities that most have never heard of (our previous contract was with Integra)

    Comcast service was not entirely out, only 99%ish out. Outgoing calls could not be made. Incoming calls from most providers would flat out fail. A few (Tmobile for example) would ring through, but voice would not exchange after pickup. I'm personally on Google's Project Fi with my cell phone and could ring through and talk perfectly (but again, could not call out to my phone from the business).

    At roughly 2PM (the past few minutes), service is finally appearing to work again. It was out since start of day at this business at 8AM.

  17. VOIP sucks by DogDude · · Score: 1

    From what I can tell, this is a VOIP service. In our experience in three different cities, is that VOIP sucks. It's unreliable, and at times, the quality sucks. We just reverted to all POTS lines at all of our locations in the past few months. I think the key is that VOIP is a very complicated solution to a nonexistent problem. POTS works, and works well. VOIP requires layers and layers of shit to work properly, including tons of bandwidth.

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    1. Re:VOIP sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Except that the FCC no longer requires companies maintain POTS. That is why you'll see T1s becoming increasingly difficult to get, its why ISDN is almost impossible. Even when you do get a "POTS" it is just pots to the CO where it becomes VOIP and has been for over a decade now. VOIP in and of itself is not a problem.

      I deployed and ran an Asterisk/FreePBX solution which was all VOIP all the time. I had a SIP provider that was solid and a PRI T1 I kept as backup. My users never had any issues for about 8 years that it was in service. Call quality was consistent and even allowed me to use ATAs from Patton to power POS terminals and do e-fax. Solutions are out there but it's far from easy. Hosted VOIP should die in a fire though.

    2. Re:VOIP sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work for a VoIP service provider. The vast majority of the problems are with either routers, the clients ISP, or the client using up all the upload bandwidth. Sometimes we spend a LOT of time trying to convince IT firms of this. Mostly the response is "well the web works, why doesn't your service?". Getting IT people to understand this can be sometimes difficult. Skills vary considerably. Sometimes we get people who are really excellent with the firewall end of things, and sometimes we get people that can't do a simple packet capture.

      VOIP requires layers and layers of shit to work properly, including tons of bandwidth.

      No, VoIP requires your router to work as a router that doesn't mangle packets, delay packets, etc, and your ISP to deliver UDP packets reliably, and without a lot of jitter. The bandwidth requirements for most businesses are well under a megabit upload. For most people most of the time it works very well.

    3. Re:VOIP sucks by HiThere · · Score: 0

      WHAT!!! Your system requires "ISP to deliver UDP packets reliably"??? UDP?? User Datagram Protocol??? Reliably?

      UDP was designed for systems that don't need the packets delivered reliably! If you're requiring it to reliably delivered you are misusing the protocol. TCP is for reliably delivered packets. UDP doesn't even tell you if the packet wasn't delivered.

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    4. Re:VOIP sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I doesn't sound like you know much about VoIP to understand why UDP was chosen for the RTP. SIP can use TCP and often does.

      Timing is everything in a real-time voice communication. Late packets are useless, hence the reliability of TCP doesn't improve anything. On the contrary: TCP retransmissions delays make the problem worse. A late/missed UDP packet may not even be noticeable (20 ms of audio) or just a brief drop out. A 100 ms retransmission delay in TCP will delay the entire stream, thus causing increased latency making the call sound awkward -- people talking at the same time.

      In practice a small amount of packet loss isn't catastrophic to VOIP. Each RTP packet is independent so processing resumes with a next packet if a previous one is lost or late. The problem is large jitter (varying amount of delay, like > 20 ms) and too much delay (>200 ms). Unfortunately shitty routers without QOS flood the connection and both of these metrics are easily broken.

    5. Re:VOIP sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On it's least efficient encapsulation - the same one that analog phones use - VOIP requires less than 100 kbps. In other words, it requires no bandwidth at all.

      You also have to realize that those old POTS lines you are using are most likely only POTS on the last mile. Once it hits the CO it gets converted to VOIP for transit over the phone companies networks because that's a lot more efficient than supporting dual systems and VOIP works just fine when you have competent network admins who know how to handle it.

    6. Re:VOIP sucks by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I wasn't questioning that UDP was faster, I was questioning the assumption that you could depend on it for reliable packet delivery. Your response indicates that you accept that you can't depend on it for reliable packet delivery, but the post I was responding to (was that you?) said that they depended on UDP reliably delivering packets...which is NOT it's designed use case.

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  18. What is the tri-state area? by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

    Comcast serves the Tri-State Area?

    Seriously... do you realize how many tri-state areas there are within the United States? More than a dozen.

    Now someone tell Comcast to stop installing self-destruct buttons on their VOIP-inators.

    1. Re:What is the tri-state area? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While they're at it, can they stop calling it Land-line? It's VOIP just like mine! It's Packet Cable vs SIP, but it's still VOIP and their BS marketing convinces my customers it's somehow better, and I don't have outages like this.

    2. Re:What is the tri-state area? by Fly+Swatter · · Score: 1

      VOIP can be used over anything, land or air. If it is through a cable that travels along the land, guess what? It is still a Land-line. Now if they were still calling it POTS, you would have an argument.

    3. Re: What is the tri-state area? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He means Carrier VoIP instead of the customer Voip.

  19. Those aren't landlines by hawguy · · Score: 1

    Xfinity phone service is VoIP, not "landlines", outages are expected (and common). If your phone is important to you, don't use VoIP... voice T1's are cheap these days and if you don't need all 24 voice lines, you can split it between voice and data and get a reliable (though slow) backup internet connection.

    1. Re:Those aren't landlines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even on AT&T and Verizon, landlines are becoming scarce. Most "landline" service is VOIP using the Uverse or similar data lines. Either than, or "fixed wireless" service where your local phone looks and appears to work like a landline, but is actually wireless from the building to the backend.

  20. Firesale! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a firesale! Just like they demonstrated in Die Hard 4.0.

  21. Some in Illinois too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some businesses around me in Northern Illinois said they were affected. I gave up on VOIP a long while ago because of the complexity. You not only rely on a broadband provider, but also other third party VOIP services. I guess most choose VOIP to save money, so I guess you get what you pay for with this stuff. Apparently Comcast has little ability to reroute to keep some service available. If your business depends on phones, don't skimp on who provides your VOIP service. Frankly Comcast wouldn't be my last choice with business services.

  22. Re: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    So, FAKE landlines. Not POTS with 5x9s uptime guaranteed by government regulation.

  23. Comcast sucks ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's bad enough our phones don't work

    We can't even get them forwarded to lines that do work

    We can't login to Comcast business portal

    We can't call Comcast business number and talk to a human there is literally no option for that.

    For an outage of this size and duration there has been zero communication from Comcast other than to repeat what everyone already knew before calling... "experiencing an issue". Their main business website should have a statement of some kind or one should be buried somewhere. Literally NOTHING.

    It's not the outage itself. It's the deliberate lack of any communication and playing games with their already rage inducing annoying as fuck "SAY yes or no" phone system so that you can never talk to a person that ticks me off the most.

    Right now after being out for literally the entire day service is back slightly after COB yet our hunt groups no longer work and there is no way for me to talk to a human being about it.

  24. It is a plot by the government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to make it look like landlines are less dependable and get everyone off the landlines and onto cellular only because doing a phone tap on a landline is a lot more difficult than tapping a cellular call.

  25. Not "ALWAYS" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the late 1960's, my dad was a lowly AT&T repairman in San Diego. He related to me the story of how a maintenance worked had used an improper tool (some kind of wrench wrapped in tape as an insulator instead of a dedicated cover) and dropped it across the bus-bars connecting the backup batteries. The wrench basically vaporized and managed to melt through the bus bars and shut down the switching center. He said it was really erie as this site that was normally vibrating due to all the mechanical switching activity was suddenly silent. He also mentioned this facility was supposed to be "nearly nuclear hit proof", so the sudden loss of it caused a bit of a panic.

    1. Re:Not "ALWAYS" by theNetImp · · Score: 1

      maybe not always, but you didn't hear about it 6-8 times a year either. I can't tell you how many times my relatives have complained about their VOIP phones being down because fo Comcast.

  26. How? by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    How does this happen? The entire nationwide system has a single point of failure? No redundancy? No isolation?

    Ridiculous!

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