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US Piles New Charges on Marcus Hutchins (aka MalwareTech) (bleepingcomputer.com)

British cyber-security researcher Marcus Hutchins, who has been credited with stopping the spread of WannaCry, is now facing four more charges related to separate malware he is alleged to have created. BleepingComputer reports: According to court documents, the new charges are for allegedly creating another piece of malware and for lying to the FBI. Hutchins had previously been accused of creating and selling the Kronos banking trojan last year. But in a superseding indictment filed this week, U.S. prosecutors claim Hutchins also coded and sold another piece of malware called the UPAS Kit. According to US prosecutors, UPAS Kit "used a form grabber and web injects to intercept and collect personal information from a protected computer," and "allowed for the unauthorized exfiltration of information from protected computers." The U.S. government claims Hutchins sold this second malware strain in July 2012 to a person going by the online pseudonym of Aurora123, who later infected US users. Hutchins expressed disappointment on the development, tweeting, "Spend months and $100k+ fighting this case, then they go and reset the clock by adding even more bullshit charges like 'lying to the FBI.' We require more minerals." In a subsequent tweet, he requested people to help him with the cost of legal proceedings.

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  1. Trump maybe pardons him? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Maybe so?

    1. Re: Trump maybe pardons him? by jellomizer · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Well bringing up the war of 1812 was stupid. But Canada was part of England during the war of 1812, so they were part of the invasion.
      Also England won the war of 1812, as its objectives was to prevent the U.S. from taking over English Territories (Canada).

       

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    2. Re: Trump maybe pardons him? by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2, Informative

      You're Canadian I take it (the reason I'm guessing that is because most Canadians think it was a war of conquest on the part of the US, and they also think it was Canadians who burned the White House, but the joke's on them: Canada had no actual Army, it was all British Army, and Canada only had defensive militia, which quickly fell once the US went on the offensive.)

      So while they might teach that in Canadian schools, that's not what happened. During the Napoleonic wars, England raised a naval blockade to prevent America from trading with France (as well as many others) without provocation on our part, and stepped up their efforts of pressing American merchant sailors into service for England's war effort. England then supplied natives that were raiding American settlements (which also resulted in Tecumseh's death and the fall of his nation, and to further retaliation against other tribes on the part of the Americans) as England also had the goal of annexing much of our territory at the time.

      That really isn't a nice thing to do, and our means of fighting back included an invasion and occupation of some of Canada (mostly the populated regions, mind you, which was easy to do given England's lack of defense of upper Canada, which allowed us to hit lower Canada from the north) with the intention of forcing England to negotiate, which England wouldn't do as they refused to recognize the sovereignty of the US. Then we also defeated of the British invasion of the southern states.

      In the end it was mostly a stalemate, but the US came out with a better political position, which maked it a favorable outcome for the US:

      - It reasserted Independence for the Americans (at the time, England still considered the US to be theirs, and US citizens to be the king's subjects, which Canada remains to this day, mind you)
      - The US was able to negotiate an end to England's impressment of Americans.
      - The US did not lose any territory.

      And by the way, impressment was England's version of slavery, which they also did to Canadians (before US involvement with this war, Canadian men in Nova Scotia would get picked up by press gangs, beaten if they tried to escape, and were never heard from again, meanwhile Canadians were happily serving their English masters) as well as England's own. Sailors that were pressed into service didn't get any pay, were forced to serve much longer than those who enlisted (in reality, there was no set end of service date for them, they just served as long as the captain made them) they had to do all of the worst work, they didn't get shore leave, and England only pretended to pay them.

  2. Ars Technica has an article on this too by drdread66 · · Score: 3, Informative
  3. "Lying to the FBI" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Lying to the FBI" is what you get charged with when they can't find anything else.

    Hell, they'll even manufacture a claim of "witness tampering" over a one-minute phone call and a text saying "We need to talk".

    1. Re:"Lying to the FBI" by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      It's akin to "hate crime", where they pretend to know what the accused was thinking.

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    2. Re:"Lying to the FBI" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Lying to the FBI" is what you get charged with when they can't find anything else.

      Or, you know, when you've been found to have lied to the FBI -- which is an actual crime.

      Hell, they'll even manufacture a claim of "witness tampering" over a one-minute phone call and a text saying "We need to talk".

      If someone is a witness for the case against you, and you know this, saying "we need to talk" is illegal. That's actual witness tampering ... again, an actual crime, because you are barred from communicating with them precisely to prevent you from trying to get your stories straight.

      You seem to be suggesting that actual crimes shouldn't be treated as actual crimes. Which tells me you've drank way too much of the kool-aid.

      So, ask yourself this in your twisted little partisan mind ... if the tables were turned, and your 'crooked Hillary' was caught lying to the FBI and trying to get together with witnesses against her ... would you be saying the same thing? My guess is no, you'd be shrieking loudly about how she'd breaking the law.

      If you think it's only legal when your team is the one committing the crimes, you're a fucking moron.

      The only ones defending lying to the FBI and witness tampering are the ones who think the law doesn't apply to them. Fuck those people, they're so fucking crooked it isn't funny.

    3. Re:"Lying to the FBI" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Lying without having taken an official spoken oath to tell the truth should never be a crime. It's fucking stupid that in a free country we can be imprisoned for not being truthful to law enforcement. It is their job to decide if what is being said is true or false. There should be no obligation on pain of taking all freedoms away to speak the truth.

    4. Re: "Lying to the FBI" by Rujiel · · Score: 1

      You probably believe the FBI every time they claim to have found child porn on machines they had compromised months before (see: lavabit) . Naiive. I bet the FBI is thrilled to have lapdogs like you.

    5. Re: "Lying to the FBI" by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      No problem, never want to get busted by the FBI for lying to them, all to easy, simply express you opinion always, never ever make statements of fact ie I believe this happened, I remember this, in my opinion. Don't even make statements of fake, only express you opinion on what you believed occurred but you can't be certain. If you are not sure, clearly state you are not sure and you should always be not sure. First choice, don't answer questions, second choice do it all in writing, written questions and answers, third choice only ever express your opinion, never statements of fact, they are for the court room only.

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    6. Re: "Lying to the FBI" by fafalone · · Score: 2

      More importantly, never talk to them without a lawyer, and never ignore your lawyers advice about what to answer or how to answer it because you think you know better or because you think you can 'clear it up'. They love people who think they're clever.

    7. Re:"Lying to the FBI" by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      Lying to the FBI: FBI Agent: Where were at 2:45a.m. on May 27th? Patsy: Uh. I don't know. Asleep? FBI Agent: You're lying. We have wiretap data that shows you were talking on your phone, Patsy: Oh. that's right. It was a wrong number that woke me up in the middle of the night. FBI Agent: Too late. Book him Dano. Charge: lying to the FBI.

    8. Re:"Lying to the FBI" by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      Which is why whenever the FBI asks to speak to you your answer should be, "I have nothing to say in the absence of my lawyer."

      When they ask you to go with them ask if you are under arrest or detainment. If the answer is no, politely decline. If the take you anyway say nothing until you can contact your lawyer.

  4. Lying to FBI: one reason you Never Talk to Police by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "Lying to the FBI" (or other lying to cops) charge is one of the several reasons you Never Talk to Police.

    See the above video for a law professor's lecture on many more.

    Instead you ALWAYS exercise your Fifth Amendment privilege to remain silent. ESPECIALLY if you're innocent. ANYTHING you tell them "can and will be used against you".

    Even if it's true, somebody else may have told them something conflicting - through error or malice - and the police and prosecutors may then decide you're lying. Bingo: Both a criminal charge and the burden of proof switches from them proving you're guilty to you proving you're innocent.

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  5. Show me the man, I'll find you the crime by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

    The government has infinite resources to deploy when it decides you have to get 'got'. I've long thought that we need a new form of Miranda in which if you're involved in a civil or criminal matter vs the government and you prevail, you get all your legal fees reimbursed, aka "loser pays". That's the only chance there is of leveling the playing field.

    1. Re:Show me the man, I'll find you the crime by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Well, since the government side of this is essentially operating like organized crime, I doubt this will help. Also, they can just endlessly level charges against you until you run out of money and with no risk whatsoever to them. They can essentially be evil to an unlimited degree as long as they formally follow the rules enough so you cannot prove anything against them and make it stick. This means they can figuratively (and if they send the cops in just the right way also literally) kill anybody they do not like. This is an excellent example of "power corrupts".

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    2. Re:Show me the man, I'll find you the crime by HornWumpus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      On the flip side I know a CA shyster, one of his most lucrative fields is 'uncopping' a cop. If you have high five figures to spend, he will just go at the cop administratively and legally until his is unbondable (claiming he is working 'pro bono' for all people that fill out a complaint against said cop).

      Then his employer will fire him and he will be a mall cop. Then whichever rich person this cop helped convict gets a new trial. All during this process the cop doesn't even know who is paying the bills to end his fun.

      As corrupt as that process is, it's about the only check left on cops power.

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    3. Re:Show me the man, I'll find you the crime by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but to me that sounds like it's only making things worse and not better with the way you can use it to overturn even perfectly legitimate convictions.

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    4. Re:Show me the man, I'll find you the crime by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      > The government has infinite resources

      You say that like the government in the US is a single entity. I know the local DA where I lived on average had less than a hour, to prosecute.

      This made it very difficult on things like Drunk Driving, spousal abuse... Anyone who could spend $1000 on a defense was virtually guaranteed no, or at worst a plea with little punishment (other than the money spent.) Also makes it very difficult on the victims to get any relief if they didn't have the same resources as the charged, as they would then be limited (by resources) to the evidence presented by the prosecution.

      So this plan would kill smaller courts, as the tables turn for the wealthy, as they would face no punishment (not even $$$ to respond ) and give incentive for the court to not pursue any case against them, as the financial burden would be too great to the court.

      But I do agree similar resources should be made available to defendants. Currently the less educated and poorer people are easily walked on, as judges really suck in most places. It should be their job to insure a fair trial. But often they have incentive to make sure sufficient money is collected to be comfortable at work. And to take care of officers and the DA, as those are the people they repeatedly deal with at work and outside work, not the defendants.

    5. Re:Show me the man, I'll find you the crime by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      On the flip side I know a CA shyster, one of his most lucrative fields is 'uncopping' a cop. If you have high five figures to spend, he will just go at the cop administratively and legally until his is unbondable (claiming he is working 'pro bono' for all people that fill out a complaint against said cop).

      Then his employer will fire him and he will be a mall cop. Then whichever rich person this cop helped convict gets a new trial. All during this process the cop doesn't even know who is paying the bills to end his fun.

      As corrupt as that process is, it's about the only check left on cops power.

      Corruption is never a check on corruption, it just yields yet more corruption. This is not a check on a cops power, it's a way for the rick to buy their way out.

    6. Re:Show me the man, I'll find you the crime by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      It's both.

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  6. Re:Lying to FBI: one reason you Never Talk to Poli by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Constitution applies to all people on US soil, not just citizens.

  7. "kidnapping" by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    He should have never come to the US... the US is known for kidnapping people that make it uncomfortable. North Korean/Iranian tactics right here on US soil.

    1. Re: "kidnapping" by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      They typically have to go through a formal process with allies like the UK. And the UK is less and less inclined to extradite when the possible sentence in the US is disproportionate to the crime.

    2. Re: "kidnapping" by DaMattster · · Score: 2

      They typically have to go through a formal process with allies like the UK. And the UK is less and less inclined to extradite when the possible sentence in the US is disproportionate to the crime.

      And lately the sentences are getting stiffer and stiffer for even petty crimes and it has nothing to do with public safety, health, or morals. It's all about the money! Tougher sentences mean more prisons which need more services and that means more money to the corporations that profit from the providing those services. Furthmore, law enforcement equipment providers make more money providing equipment and services.

    3. Re: "kidnapping" by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      It's actually complicated. Sentences on a state level tend to be trending downward. There's been backlash against thoughtless "three strikes = life sentence" laws and against excessive drug sentencing. Marijuana is also trending towards legalization on the state level.

      Federal sentences are probably staying the same. The Obama admin did a bit to mitigate the excessive ones, Trump may undo this good work.

      The problem isn't that sentencing is getting harsher, as much as that it's generally overly harsh in the US, even with the recent attempts to fix the problem.

    4. Re: "kidnapping" by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      There's been backlash against thoughtless "three strikes = life sentence" laws and against excessive drug sentencing.

      The California 3 strikes and you're out was that the first two strikes had to be violent felonies. Calling that thoughtless is either misinformed or shows a strange love of violent crime. How many assaults, murders, and rapes must a person commit in your world before you want them locked up for life?

    5. Re: "kidnapping" by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      So the first two could be bar fights and the last stealing a sandwich. Even in California's implementation, the law is idiotic. I don't love violent crime, but I do think that violent crims can be rehabilitated.

      How many crimes? Case by case decision, and should be subject to a parole review after 10 years. A person is often completely different at age 35 than at age 25.

    6. Re: "kidnapping" by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      The first two had to be felonies, which is more involved than a bar fight unless said bar fight was out of hand. As for the sandwich - did you just watch Les Miserables? The third strike has to be a felony so maybe it involved taking the sandwich at gunpoint. A person who gets sentenced under 3 strikes is no angel or misunderstood youth.

      Violent crime can be rehabilitated if the punishment is bad enough. In truth the best way to reduce violent crime is by punishing kids and infants before they have a chance to do real damage - the never spank a kid crowd be damned. But that would involve way more responsibility than we as a culture seem to want to endure. Plus it would inevitably run afoul of disparate impact as some cultures seem incapable of raising decent kids.

  8. Re:Stop making him out to be a hero by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    *allegedly* I understand that the lying new-speak fascists and bible-banging evangelical death cultist fucktards now run the US, but we still have the concept of "innocent until proven guilty"

    You've ... got a little froth right there ... on the corner ... thought you might want to know.

  9. Re:Stop making him out to be a hero by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You sound like someone who is very pleasant and who definitely leaves the house often!

  10. Re:Lying to FBI: one reason you Never Talk to Poli by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    England also has a 'right to remain silent'. But they can hold your silence against you, if you later claim a defense you didn't speak about during initial interrogation.

    Not an English shyster, but silence is still your best bet. England also has volumes of unenforced laws, they all commit 3 felonies/day, same as Americans.

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  11. More bodies to feed .... by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    The Prison-Industrial Complex of America. Big Corrections is hungry for profits.

    1. Re:More bodies to feed .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh please. Less than 13% of federal prisoners are are in private prisons.

  12. Re:Lying to FBI: one reason you Never Talk to Poli by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

    It's not like refusing to even talk to the police or pleading the 5th to every question isn't going to make you look really suspicious even if you're completely innocent. Oh wait...

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  13. Assumption of innocence by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

    I know "Innocent until proven guilty" is kind of a cornerstone of western legal systems, but it seems like many are taking it a tad too far with the general stance here is that he can't possibly be guilty. Even thou there's loads of ex cybercriminals working in the infosec industry these days, many of them openly and some of them are even open about the convictions they've received.

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    1. Re:Assumption of innocence by XXongo · · Score: 1

      yes, the real answer is we haven't seen the evidence, and we simply don't know; we don't have the information to know.

      He says he didn't do it. But that doesn't really count for much.

  14. Re:Lying to FBI: one reason you Never Talk to Poli by XXongo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The Constitution applies to all people on US soil, not just citizens.

    Except the ones accused of being terrorists, or knowing terrorists, or living in an area where terrorists were once suspected to also live. They don't get rights. Especially not the parts about "speedy trial" and the right "to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation" (6th amendment).

  15. Re:Lying to FBI: one reason you Never Talk to Poli by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    It's not like refusing to even talk to the police or pleading the 5th to every question isn't going to make you look really suspicious even if you're completely innocent. Oh wait...

    No you're already suspicious. The point is not giving an inch of rope to the hangman.

    Also nickname checks out :-)

  16. Re:Lying to FBI: one reason you Never Talk to Poli by XXongo · · Score: 1

    England also has a 'right to remain silent'. But they can hold your silence against you, if you later claim a defense you didn't speak about during initial interrogation.

    In England, maybe, but not in America.

    You can't bring up a new defense after the trial, but no, you don't have to bring up a defense until after you talk to a lawyer, and being silent before you consult a lawyer explicitly can not legally be used against you.

  17. Re:Lying to FBI: one reason you Never Talk to Poli by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

    In the US, your silence can be used against when under oath, sometimes, but not usually otherwise. IE if you take the witness stand, you cannot just answer the defenses questions, once you answer questions about an event, generally you have to answer all questions about that event, or your silence can be used to weigh your other testimony. But since testimony given to a police... is not "on the record" and it cannot be brought up in your defense, you can go silent at anytime. I think because the prosecution can choose to drop all of it at anytime, they don't have to have a way to counter claims you made then.

  18. Re:Lying to FBI: one reason you Never Talk to Poli by Lost+Race · · Score: 1

    The Constitution of the US applies to the US government everywhere and for all purposes. The Fifth Amendment prohibits the US government from compelling anyone (US citizen or not) anywhere (on US soil or not) to testify against himself.

  19. Re:Stop making him out to be a hero by Thomas+Charron · · Score: 1

    There is no allegedly. He's admitted to selling Malware for cash. The proven guilty is self admittance.

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  20. Re:Lying to FBI: one reason you Never Talk to Poli by flink · · Score: 1

    The 5th amendment enumerates a right, but it is couched in the form of a restraint on the governemnt's power to compel testimony: "No person... shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself".

    In theory, anyone anywhere has the right not to answer a question posed by a member of the US government or their representative if responding might cause them to provide incriminating evidence. In practice, if you are in a foreign country, good luck exercising this right: the US will just have their local counterpart put the question to you and you may have no such right to silence under the local laws. Those statements given to a foreign official can now be used as evidence against you in a US court.

  21. Re:Rich by bioteq · · Score: 1

    He's far from rich. He's got quite a bit of people donating to his legal fund. A lot of people. And a lot of people helping for free on his legal as well.

  22. Re:Lying to FBI: one reason you Never Talk to Poli by Cederic · · Score: 1

    Tell me where it says they're not. Since you've read it, that'll be quicker.

  23. Re:Lying to FBI: one reason you Never Talk to Poli by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

    Not in the Constitution directly. It comes form a USSC decision in Boumediene vs Bush.

  24. Re:Lying to FBI: one reason you Never Talk to Poli by The+Cynical+Critic · · Score: 1

    Maybe you should think before you talk? Because talking actually gives you the opportunity to lower suspicion while refusing to do so can only have the exact opposite effect.

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