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There Are More Jobs Than People Out of Work, Something the American Economy Has Never Experienced Before (cnbc.com)

The jobs market has reached what should be some kind of inflection point: there are now more openings than there are workers. From a report: April marked the second month in a row this historic event has occurred, and the gap is growing. According to the monthly Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey released this week, there were just shy of 6.7 million open positions in April, the most recent month for which data are available. That represented an increase of 65,000 from March and is a record. The number of vacancies is pulling well ahead of the number the Bureau of Labor Statistics counts as unemployed. This year is the first time the level of the unemployed exceeded the jobs available since the BLS started tracking JOLTS numbers in 2000. As of April, the total workers looking and eligible for jobs fell to 6.35 million, a decrease from 6.58 million the previous month. The number fell further in May to 6.06 million, though there is no comparable JOLTS data for that month. Under normal circumstances, the mismatch would be creating a demand for higher wages. However, average hourly earnings rose just 2.7 percent annualized in May, up one-tenth of a point from April. Further reading: Why Nebraska has an amazing jobs market but nobody is moving there.

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  1. Ok by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So why are headhunters still calling me up and trying to lowball me on software developer contracts? With H1B Visas getting shut down, they should be especially short on software engineers, shouldn't they?

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    1. Re:Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And why are there (more than ever) unhoused people living in the streets which society has decided to take a giant dump on? Seattle which has a hot tech job market is befuddled with a growing number of unhoused jobless people living in tents on the sidewalks. Amazing.

    2. Re:Ok by zlives · · Score: 5, Insightful

      there are jobs, but not well paying jobs. i think it has to do with all the profits the corporations are not making...

      o wait
      http://fortune.com/2017/12/07/...

    3. Re:Ok by sgt_doom · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yup, and why are employers doubling down on yearning for younger and younger workers? If there were really a demand, as neither of us believe, wages would have shot up long ago, and my old employers would be bothering me and others without let up.

    4. Re: Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most homeless people have mental health issues.

      We don't do much for them.

      They probably wouldn't handle doing software development well.

    5. Re:Ok by bobstreo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So why are headhunters still calling me up and trying to lowball me on software developer contracts? With H1B Visas getting shut down, they should be especially short on software engineers, shouldn't they?

      Just because a job is open, doesn't mean it's either

      A) A good job

      B) A job that's offering pay commensurate with experience,,

      Nobody but the truly desperate would even bother applying for jobs like these.

      That and of course the mandatory drug tests.... /s

    6. Re:Ok by Ichijo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With H1B Visas getting shut down, they should be especially short on software engineers, shouldn't they?

      Correct, they lowball you just so they can prove that they can't find anyone to fill the position before (ab)using the H1B program for cheap labor. They don't expect you to actually take the job, nor are they willing to pay more to fill the position.

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    7. Re:Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "I demand to work normal working hours under sane conditions for a wage that doesn't require me to find 2 more jobs just so I can pay the fucking rent."

      "YOU ENTITLED BRAT!"

    8. Re:Ok by Dorianny · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Millenials grew up during one the longest economic downturn in history and have the heaviest student-debt burden ever. They are worst off financially then their parents at their age and are very likely to never be as wealthy as their parents. They bust their ass in the "gig economy" for little pay and no benefits and yet you consider them "entitled" because they prefer their cup of coffee differently then yours. Guess what, you are the entitled generations

    9. Re:Ok by Humbubba · · Score: 4, Interesting
      An A.C wrote

      And why are there (more than ever) unhoused people living in the streets which society has decided to take a giant dump on? Seattle which has a hot tech job market is befuddled with a growing number of unhoused jobless people living in tents on the sidewalks. Amazing.

      The unemployed usually go where the jobs are, ridiculously increasing the unemployment and homeless numbers for that particular area. Some come hoping to find a toehold to a career, others come for any sort of employment, even in the secondary job market. But even the qualified might not get hired for whatever reason (gender, race, HR rules and regulations, history, etc.) Not to mention, some homeless have jobs, but just can't afford Seattle's high rent.

      It wouldn't surprise me if some of the homeless are anarchic Utopians wanting to create a practical social/economic/ecological alternative to 'authoritarian' representative democracy. Like Europe's Autonomism movement or France's Collectif la vieille Valette.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomism

      https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://laboratoireurbanismeinsurrectionnel.blogspot.com/2015/10/france-magnifique-vieille-valette.html&prev=search

      https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.passerelleco.info/article.php%3Fid_article%3D527&prev=search

    10. Re:Ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm fucking sick of seeing useless boomers, who got a helping hand from the government at every step of their privileged lives of luxury and ease, rant about the greatness of hard work and how millenials just don'try try as hard as they did.

      Your generation is the one that sold off the productive economy and pulled the ladder up after you, the first generation in a long, long time to give their children less - and even now you continue to try and siphon off wealth from the people who are forced to clean up your mess.

    11. Re: Ok by omnichad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's dissociative identity disorder. Schizophrenics will hear voices or see hallucinations - it's an issue with properly processing signal vs. noise.

    12. Re:Ok by omnichad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If by entitled, you mean entitled to a job after paying a fortune for college, then you're probably right. That's how most if not all of them were raised, because it actually worked for their parents.

    13. Re: Ok by dryeo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or was unemployable for other reasons such as no way to keep up on personal hygiene due to being homeless or perhaps he got busted many years ago for having a joint.
      As others mentioned, there's also mental illness, coffee shop probably doesn't want to hire a mumbler or someone who can't help but curse customers.

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    14. Re:Ok by jwhyche · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sorry hoss, I'm not a baby boomer. But in a way your are correct, baby boomers are largely responsible for most if not all of this countries problems.

      The only thing my generation has been is stuck with trying to clean up the mess boomers have left us.

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    15. Re:Ok by jwhyche · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But who's fault is that? How many of these degree's are for markets that is already saturated? They don't find jobs in these areas because they are none. But what there is, is plenty of jobs in blue collar areas. The country needs plumbers, and welders, there are plenty of jobs there. But so many millennials think these jobs are beneath them.

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    16. Re:Ok by jwhyche · · Score: 4, Informative

      Balancing a checkbook is easy but nobody under 40 does it anymore because it's pointless. The vast majority of transactions these days are digital and the balance of your account is available with a few clicks on your phone. Most millennials will only write a handful of checks in their lives. Gen Z will probably kill them for good.

      No! This is the most stupidest thing I've read today. Yes, I realize I'm reading and posting to a 0 score but this thinking has to be corrected.

      Balancing your checkbook is basic accounting 101. You don't use it just to keep track of how much money you spend. You use to make sure the bank hasn't committed a error on your statement, or that someone isn't stealing money from your account. Never trust what the bank tells you.

      Not all transactions show up on a digital statement right away. Digital transactions first show up as a pending entry in your statement. Those are entries that have not cleared. Those pending transactions can vanish off your account in a few days only to come back as a cleared statement.

      Checks on the other hand do not show up on your digital statement till they are cashed. For this to happen you are at the mercy of the person holding the check. They could hold that check for a few days or in some cases a few months.

      You must keep track of your own money. Do not rely on the bank to do this.

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    17. Re: Ok by triffid_98 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um...it's what was (collectively, not you personally) told to the machinists and steelworkers other displaced professions (soon to be taxi drivers and semi truck operators) once a million of them lose their jobs. Many are not suited for it and few of them with zero experience in their new field at 40+ are going to be snapped up like that, even if they can afford to re-skill (many cannot)

    18. Re: Ok by bigman2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've owned businesses. Landscaping and printing.

      I tried to hire homeless people. I've gone to the guys holding the signs and said"hey...I have work for you...help me mow lawns for the day $12/hr. And I'll buy you breakfast and lunch."

      I did this a LOT. I did not care about appearance, criminal record, etc. They didn't need to plan ahead or meet me later. I offered immediate food, etc. Etc.

      Over the course of a year I had ONE person take me up on it. He was a good guy, worked with me for like 2 weeks before he disappeared.

      Whenever people talk about all of the hurdles for these people to get jobs, I know that when I took away every single hurdle...they said "no".

      In my experience these people are on the street because they prefer it to the other options. Not because they don't have other options.

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    19. Re: Ok by painandgreed · · Score: 4, Informative

      Bullshit, homeless in Seattle because hiring is in fact abysmal. Amazon and Microsoft still advertise jobs as required by law before they hire H1B. Those job listings aren't meant to be filled, stop spreading lies about "healthy" job market.

      I don't usually reply to godless lying Russian trolls, but I'm in Seattle and seeing lots of what is going on. Hiring is great in Seattle. Walk down the street and most places have help wanted signs up in the windows. Problem is that those jobs probably won't pay rent on anyplace within ten miles of downtown Seattle. As for professional jobs, we were in the market to hire somebody (because our groups people keep getting recruited for other places by their friends) and in the time that it took to post the job, collect resumes, and interview, we ended up with out fourth choice because the first three were employed someplace else before we could offer them the job.

      Most of the people that are homeless in Seattle are that way because they are living paycheck to paycheck and getting forced out of their houses and apartments by raising rates without first and last to get a new place at the drop of a hat. Housing is going up 10% a year for the past twenty years. The old, cheap places are being torn down to make new expensive places. Apartment complexes are literally doubling the rent from one month to the next to force everybody out so they can remodel and charge more. This happened to one couple I know three times in the same year. Several friends, despite good jobs find themselves having to sometimes stay with friends or family till they can find a new place to live as not too many people can handle their rent doubling long term. Those without a nest egg, friends, or family will find themselves out in the street, and according to the newspapers looking into the issue, that is what is going on in Seattle.

  2. Re: Let me fix that for you... by Altus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right, I'll be over here holing my breath waiting for wages to finally go up.

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  3. Uh no by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are anywhere from a few million to tens of millions depending on the accounting who just gave up on finding a new job and are not counted anymore.

    Labor pool stats are just relative to what we call a proper labor distribution anyway. If 10m millennial women suddenly dropped out of the workforce over a decade to be stay at home wives**, they'd probably call them unemployed. When men who did jobs that were outsourced give up, they call them participants in a ghost economy we won't^H^H^H^H^Hcan't measure Because Reasons.

    (**bwahaha you don't think corporate America welcomed a massive influx of women into the workplace out of "repentance for sexism," do you? They found religion on "equality" because adding tens of millions of working women to the economy crippled the ability of the men and lower class women to negotiate with them a la wages.)

  4. Re: Let me fix that for you... by jeff4747 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If that were true, salaries would be rising significantly faster than inflation. And should have been rising since the end of the last recession (roughly 2012ish, when you account for the people who lost jobs in 2008 getting re-hired).

    Salaries aren't doing that.

  5. Of course, it is a common tactic . . . by sgt_doom · · Score: 5, Interesting

    for corporations doing poorly to advertise for nonexisting jobs. I recall back in the 1990s, when a local company called Traveling Software, kept advertising for positions after they had laid off over 60% of their workforce --- and surprise of surprises --- they never bothered to fill any of those advertised-for positions.

  6. Re: Let me fix that for you... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

    Labor demand is high, so salary is how the companies will compete for labor.

    That's the theory. But so far it isn't happening. Wages are barely keeping pace with price inflation. Economists don't really understand why. With tight labor markets and loose monetary policy, inflation should be roaring. But it isn't.

  7. Sounds like bullshit by Cornwallis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ignoring the U6 column on the labor statistics again?

    I bet so. Howzabouts all the people - especially us 60+ - experiencing age discrimination who aren't even being counted any longer?

  8. Fake by quonset · · Score: 4, Informative

    First, there are plenty of people for these jobs but the government doesn't consider them "looking" because they haven't actually looked for a job in the last week or so. It's why the unemployment numbers aren't really that accurate.

    Second, and this has been going on for decades, employers will put up fake jobs in that the position doesn't exist, but the employer wants to get a feel for who is out there and what they want in pay.

    Third, as the most recent jobs numbers showed, the largest portion of job creation is service jobs. i.e. low wage positions. One could argue that an increase in service jobs is a reflection of a growing economy, it could also mean that automation is taking away some of the more manual jobs which pushes down employment for those who would have done those jobs, thus revealing the only job growth is at your local Kwik E Mart rather than a production line. Since one can't live off those wages, they don't bother applying for such jobs.

    While the numbers indicate more jobs than people looking, as the con artist would say, they're fake.

  9. Too much Fox News for you by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You've been ingesting too much Fox News. They've been lying about California's economy for years.
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion...

    I guess the idea that high taxes and reasonable regulations work pisses off the Ayn Rand-ites, so they have to constantly say that it's failing? That's some serious cognitive dissonance. You should probably get your head out of your ass.
    http://www.latimes.com/busines...

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    1. Re:Too much Fox News for you by DogDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's why they are leaving.

      That's a lie. California continues to grow.

      http://worldpopulationreview.c...

      socialist regimes always go broke. That is happening in real time in California.

      Also a lie. See last post.

      If you want to discuss facts, that'd be great. All you're doing is lying.

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  10. Minimum wage / gig economy or bad headhunting? by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Something tells me these numbers are being manipulated. If things really were that good, employers would raise wages. You'd have fast food places offering $20/hr to flip burgers if they needed the labor that badly. Also, including every "job" regardless of full/part time status and suitability is misleading. No one who spent a reasonable effort getting a college degree wants to be working a minimum wage retail job. If all the jobs advertised were professional jobs, or even high-paying factory work this would be an actual story.

    One other problem especially in the tech and IT fields is the huge mismatch between employers/employees and the absolutely crappy hiring/headhunting process. Employees lowball their offers, headhunters have zero clue about the jobs they're advertising, and there's a massive fetish for anyone under 30. God help you if you're in your mid-50s and end up on the wrong end of an offshoring/outsourcing. The 28 year old MBA in HR is going to assume you're a dinosaur and immediately pass you over.

    It's sure better than 10+% unemployment, but let me know when employers are offering solid, well paying, stable full time work. You can't expect anyone with a family to want to string together 3 part time gigs plus some Uber driving on the side. It's great for the unattached, but a bad way to encourage stable home lives for people.

  11. Re:Thanks Obama by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's see how these trade wars, financial and environmental deregulation, consumer protection gutting, etc. pan out first before we assign the "pretty decent job" title to him. The state of the nation doesn't turn on a dime. For good or bad, the momentum from previous administrations has a rather significant reach into the next. Unless your definition of "pretty decent job" translates to "hasn't caused nuclear winter," we've some wait and see to do.

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  12. Re:Thanks Obama by jwhyche · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Proof isn't the problem, the problem is the Republicans not impeaching him despite it all.

    Proof is a problem, in that there is none. There is a lot of hearsay, but no proof. Can't impeach without proof.

    But then what? Have you thought what happens if Trump is impeached? Do you think there will be a do over in the election or that Hillary will be carried in on a gold throne? No you get Mike Pence, think about that for a moment.

    You progressives so worried about what Trump might do, you never think about what removing him will do. Trump is a political outsider. He spends most of his time fighting his own congress. Pence will not have that problem. He is a political animal, and knows how to get things done. He has the contacts and clout to pull it off. Plus he is thinks he is on a mission from god to put gays back in the closet and women back in the kitchen. He will set our country back 30 years.

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  13. Re:Thanks Obama by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

    Depending on who runs the numbers under Obama the national deficit rose by 7 to 10 trillion dollars.

    No, you are wrong! At least get the terms "deficit" and "debt" right. The federal deficit will be $985 billion in 2019 (estimate). Deficit is completely different than debt, and using those terms wrong make you look ignorant. Here are several charts that show the historical and current deficit numbers.

    For people who are too lazy to look it up:
    National debt: total amount of money we owe.
    National deficit: amount we are adding to the debt (this year).

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  14. Sneers from an Old Economy Steve by Uberbah · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But who's fault is that? How many of these degree's are for markets that is already saturated? They don't find jobs in these areas because they are none. But what there is, is plenty of jobs in blue collar areas. The country needs plumbers, and welders, there are plenty of jobs there. But so many millennials think these jobs are beneath them.

    First, millennials are sneered at if they want a living wage without having a degree. Have to better yourselves to be employed, doncha know.

    Next, millennials are sneered at for not being clairvoyant to pick the exact degree that will be in demand when they graduate (You Are Here).

    Finally, don't forget to sneer at those millennials for "taking on student loans they couldn't afford".