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After a Decade, 77-Year-Old Gets Back $110,000 Lost In 'Nigerian Prince' Scam (kansascity.com)

Slashdot reader grep -v '.*' * shares a surprising story. The Kansas City Star profiles the victim of a three-year con that started with an email to a Yahoo inbox back in 2005. A decade ago, Fred Haines was wandering the Wichita airport looking for a Nigerian man hauling two chests full of cash. After an hour of waiting and asking around, he finally came to the realization that the $65 million Nigerian fortune he thought he was inheriting was not coming after all. What is now coming, though, is the $110,000 he had been scammed out of, thanks to the work of the Kansas Attorney General's Office.

From 2005 to 2008, swindlers hoodwinked Haines, a self-employed handyman in Wichita, into spending thousands in pursuit of an imaginary inheritance from a Nigerian government official -- a con known as the Nigerian Prince Scam. Haines re-mortgaged his house three times in the process. Last year, in a settlement with the Department of Justice, Western Union admitted it knew some of its employees had conspired with scam artists to bilk people out of money and had failed to fix the problem. The company set aside $586 million to create a fund to refund victims across the U.S. and Canada... All victims who'd sent money to hucksters using the service were able to request refunds, but only those who had complained to law enforcement or Western Union were notified directly of the settlement.

"It got to the point where they were showing me that the president of Nigeria had sent me a letter. It had his picture on it and everything," Haines said. "I looked it up on the computer to see what the Nigerian president looked like, and it was him." Once, he received an email claiming to be from Robert Mueller, who was then the FBI director. The email was addressed to Haines, code-name "B-DOG," and it was signed with the FBI's address and official seal. "I wish you can remove doubt and suspicious and go ahead I assured you that you will never regret this fund release," the email said in part.

Haines is one of 344 victims who recovered a total of $1,758,988 through the Kansas Attorney General's office -- though when the office sent out 25,000 letters to possible scam victims, many of them were now skeptical of the promise of unclaimed money, and "Some were even angry when employees called to follow up on those who hadn't responded."

128 comments

  1. I guess by oldgraybeard · · Score: 4, Funny

    We from the and government were here to help!
    Is true at times!

    Just my 2 cents ;)

    1. Re:I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "We from the and government were here to help!"

      Even creimer makes more sense...

    2. Re:I guess by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

      "Were from the" Yes should have caught that, Me Bad

    3. Re:I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      But you didn't catch the "and", and that you wanted we're?

      You annoying plonker. I'd think you're creimer if I didn't know better.

      Just my 2 cents ;)

    4. Re: I guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, this reminds me I too lost $100,000 on a nigerian prince scam 10 years ago. Just reading about this reminded me...

    5. Re:I guess by geoskd · · Score: 1

      Even creimer makes more sense...

      woosh

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    6. Re:I guess by oldgraybeard · · Score: 1

      In reality, I got the Reagan quote wrong. Should have googled it first.

      "The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help." Ronald Reagan

      Just my 2 cents ;)

  2. He doesn't deserve it back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He was painfully stupid, gullible, and greedy.

    1. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by marcle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes he was, but even the stupid, gullible, and greedy shouldn't be preyed on by crooks.

    2. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by JustNiz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I sort of agree, but it is also a form of education and/or natural selection, and the US is already in dire need of both.

    3. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      I sort of agree, but it is also a form of education and/or natural selection, and the US is already in dire need of both.

      How is duping a then 67-year-old “natural selection”?

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    4. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He shouldn't have answered that phone in that dress. He was asking for it.

    5. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My mother falls for the IT scam, but I still can't train her out of it. At least she knows not to give out her bank account number. But a part of her does not want to believe that the nice gentleman who helped her get rid of her viruses was colluding with the guy who asked for her account number, and she flat out told me that she didn't believe me. I told her that there is no company that is going to help her out on her computer for free and that no one knows she when has a virus and will be calling up out of the blue.

      It's really hard to train someone who's elderly to stop trusting people.

    6. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's really hard to train someone who's elderly to stop trusting people.

      They grew up in a time where trusting people was not normally harmful. Interactions were local. Crooks from the other side of the world did not have easy access to a victim anywhere in the world.

    7. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      How is duping a then 67-year-old “natural selection”?

      A 67 year old male can still reproduce, especially if he really does inherit $65M.

    8. Re: He doesn't deserve it back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "She sounds hideous!"

    9. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. They just didn't have the media telling them about how shitty people are 24/7. People were just as bad or worse when the elderly of today were figuring out the world.

    10. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      They grew up in a time where trusting people was not normally harmful. Interactions were local. Crooks from the other side of the world did not have easy access to a victim anywhere in the world.

      Why yes. Today's old people grew up trusting every one of the people they bought dope from and the government that kept sending them to Vietnam. That's why the time in which they were young was so tranquil, especially on our college campuses.

    11. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by WinstonWolfIT · · Score: 1

      My brother and I broke our folks of this nonsense. It came down to don't forward attachments via email, period. After maybe a decade of unrelenting refusal to open them, it eventually sunk in. Myself, I have a "triage" folder where emails from people I don't know or have never sent to land, and it is extremely effective.

    12. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by easyTree · · Score: 1

      even the stupid, gullible, and greedy shouldn't be preyed on by crooks.

      One of the best arguments against democracy I've seen today.

    13. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Why not? (Mobile game developers do it all the time with the bullshit micro-transactions.)

      Exactly how else are they going to learn?

      It is obvious they _already_ failed critical thinking.

    14. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They grew up in a time where trusting people was not normally harmful

      The Nigerian scam, or 419 scam is an advance fee fraud scam. These have been around literally for centuries. A famous variant is the "spanish prisoner" scam. It involves a wealthy (possibly noble) Spanish gentleman who has been imprisoned under a false identity. He can't reveal his identity and simply pay his own way out, but will clearly have full access to his fortune once he's freed from prison, and will lavish wealth (and, in many cases, bestow his beautiful daughter's hand in marriage) upon the person who helps to free him. Usually the letter is from a servant of the gentleman, looking for help to get him released.
      Anyway, scams like these have been perpetrated via e-mail, telegram, hand-written letter and even via messenger on foot.

    15. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by tsa · · Score: 1

      What kind of system would you prefer?

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    16. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is these people that got stung by these nigerian scams aren't sympathetic. See if this was real they were attempting to assist with money laundering.

      I believe that Western Union needing to be held to account for not blocking these transactions when they clearly knew it was happening is appropriate. But I don't have sympathy for these people, in every way they were trying to participate in a criminal act and they got stung because the other side was a fake criminal.

      Helping someone move money out of a country that they themselves can't move out is money laundering. And if it's real and you assist you can be prosecuted and sent to jail for 5 years. But people are greedy and the see this offer and all they see is dollar signs and they don't care that they are violating the law because they think it's not a big deal.

    17. Re: He doesn't deserve it back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See also "She was dressing provocatively"...

    18. Re: He doesn't deserve it back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A "meritocracy" where he turns up as part of the "chosen ones", of course.

    19. Re: He doesn't deserve it back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh... microteansactions are different. You actually DO get what you paid for.

    20. Re: He doesn't deserve it back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your definition of money laundering is wrong.

      If someone says there is 10,000,000,000 in a bank vault that they inherited; but they lost the key and need $5,000 to verify their identity before they can access the vault - it is not money laundering to send them $5,000. It is dumb, but not laundering.

    21. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by jythie · · Score: 1

      Well, as the saying goes.. democracy is the worst form of government except for all the other kinds.

    22. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by geoskd · · Score: 1

      Yes he was, but even the stupid, gullible, and greedy shouldn't be preyed on by crooks.

      I fully agree that the crooks (in this case western union) should have to pay the penalty, but giving the money back? I think that's just stupid and sends the wrong message that is acceptable to be stupid and greedy and in the end you wont lose anything. They should take the money and instead use it to fund black ops that hunt down and kill these scammers in whatever country they reside because its painfully obvious that the local governments are completely ineffective.

      Stupidity needs to be fatal again, or nothing will keep the human race from getting dumber...

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    23. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by geoskd · · Score: 2

      How is duping a then 67-year-old “natural selection”?

      His kids wont get that inheritance...

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    24. Re: He doesn't deserve it back by geoskd · · Score: 2

      A "meritocracy" where he turns up as part of the "chosen ones", of course.

      I don't care if I get a vote or not, as long as the stupidest 2/3 of the population don't. In the end, not matter what kind of government there is, I am confident that I will be able to work the system to my advantage, it's just far less work if I don't have to keep compensating for the things that idiotic elected officials keep doing.

      We keep trudging along with democracy as though it were not fundamentally flawed. The basic problem we have today is that the laws themselves are fundamentally corrupt because those that make the laws are corrupt. This is the problem that needs to be solved, but democracy can't solve it because democracy is made up of people who have an average IQ less than 101. These people play unwitting victim to psychological attacks by very smart, but very greedy and corrupt people, and those are the people that get elected. The smart but moral kind wont use those tactics against the stupid electorate because the attacks are themselves immoral, and as such, the only kind of people who can get elected are the absolute last kind of people you want to put in charge of anything.

      The only way that I can think of to remedy this situation is to prevent anyone who is susceptible to these kinds of attacks from having any say in who gets to run things. If that means I have to give up my right to vote then so be it.

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    25. Re: He doesn't deserve it back by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      Not with loot-boxes.

    26. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is interesting to note that the elderly makes up the majority of the people we entrust to lead us and make the laws for us to live by - Senate and House, the various committees etc. Not to mention all our presidential candidates.

    27. Re: He doesn't deserve it back by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      I don't care if I get a vote or not, as long as the stupidest 2/3 of the population don't.

      I support voter ID laws too :-) If you're so stupid you don't even have ID you really shouldn't be helping steer the country. If I need ID to drive, buy alcohol, or fly I should need it to vote.

    28. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's really hard to train someone who's elderly to stop trusting people.

      It is harder to train our own elderly parents to start trusting US.
      "Nobody is allowed to be prophet on their own native land" applies here too. Being our parents, nobody can be more naive than their eternal manchildren, even as we prove insightful over and over.

    29. Re: He doesn't deserve it back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You... err... better not mention your micro teens action on this forum... there's probably a subreddit for that...

    30. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes he was, but even the stupid, gullible, and greedy shouldn't be preyed on by crooks.

      Even though I agree that they "should not be" taken advantage of, that doesn't mean others should obligate to help them. Also, this type of scam is successful if and only if the victim is GREEDY. The victim does not need to be gullible or stupid as long as they are greedy enough due to the nature of the scam. Greediness can easily blind their judgment when the number is high enough to make the victim dream about their luxurious future.

      So I would said that they deserve what they asked for. This time, they are just lucky that someone help them to get their money back. I hope they have learned the lesson, but who knows.

    31. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by houghi · · Score: 1

      Not sure how old you are, but remember the time when Telex was still a thing. Dishonest people where a thing even then.
      I remember when we received the same Nigerian scams via Fax when the Internet was not a thing that people had or understood except for a select few.

      I have seen scams being tried in various ways. What has changes is the fact that the price they need to pay now is almost nothing to reach a lot of people.

      And when I look at the people who grew up in the world where crooks can reach you from all over the world, I see also how readily people give out information to everybody. I am talking e.g. about giving others their credit card numbers (and pincode) and then tell that they where scammed.

      I asked one person of about 18 why she did not locked her phone. The answer was "Too much work to re-open it and there is nothing important on it" When I started explaining that her bank account was on it that was linked to her email account that was on it her reaction was "Never thought about it that way." and still did not change her behaviour.

      So it is not the time theyr grew up. It is that people are generally good and thus we trust them as that generally works out in our favour.

      Not everybody has the instinct to think like a cracker with each contact they haver with another person and that is a good thing. Distrusting people all the time is a bad thing. That fear is not a good thing. Because fear is the path to the dark sideâ¦fear leads to angerâ¦anger leads to hateâ¦hate leads to suffering.

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    32. Re: He doesn't deserve it back by houghi · · Score: 1

      As 50% is stupider than average and you ask for 66 2/3% not be able to vote, it could well be that you are in the part that is not allowed to vote. And the odds are against you.

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    33. Re:He doesn't deserve it back by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      "Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried."

      Sir Winston Churchill

  3. Yeah but... by thadtheman · · Score: 2

    what about the money he was promised.

  4. Devi'ls advocate by JustNiz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The money wasn't recovered from the scammers it was paid back by Western Union, which means the real cost will inevitably be passed on to its other customers.

    Doesn't falling for such an obvious con as this become self-inflicted at some point, even if some Western Union staff were duplicitous?

    Although I hate to see anyone scammed out of their life savings, by saying that society will pay to bail out even obviously stupid/self-inflicted actions, is society really sending the right message, or is it just making more people comfortable with not taking responsibility for their own actions?

    1. Re:Devi'ls advocate by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Well the alternative is to say VW is just going to pass it on to the customers, let's not punish them for the emissions scandal. If you believe in the free market you'll think that competition will keep prices down so the investors will have to eat the loss. I mean, if WU could raise prices because of this why couldn't they like raise prices anyway? If they have that sort of captive market...

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    2. Re: Devi'ls advocate by triffid_98 · · Score: 1

      Ten years after he may be eligible for the..."I'm old where are my pills line" vs the I'm both gullible and greedy and don't have borderline adult onset dementia line ...

      While I would argue the former, what am I doing siding with an obvious scammer? If there is a option C nail to a physical cross option please sign me up provided that doesn't involve tens of thousands of my dollars, otherwise I'll use the power of imagination instead

    3. Re:Devi'ls advocate by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      I personally believe in the principle of free market economics, however you can't for a moment seriously claim that the US is a any kind of example of a truly free market.

    4. Re:Devi'ls advocate by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Well the alternative is to say VW is just going to pass it on to the customers, let's not punish them for the emissions scandal.

      That's why I would like to see the executive of VW responsible for the scandal be prosecuted, pay fines, and do some prison time.

      But that's just a dream, in this here world.

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    5. Re:Devi'ls advocate by msauve · · Score: 1

      VW execs paid personally, by losing their careers and/or being prosecuted for crimes. Customers/shareholders don't pay for that.

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    6. Re: Devi'ls advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Although I hate to see anyone scammed out of their life savings, by saying that society will pay to bail out even obviously stupid/self-inflicted actions, is society really sending the right message, or is it just making more people comfortable with not taking responsibility for their own actions?

      Let's see, do we hold the criminals and con artists responsible for their actions, as well as their associates who profit from that, or do we pretend that gullibility is so bad we should somehow send the message that society doesn't care, that screaming about dumb people being fleeced and how anybody fix that, well...

      Not that I think we go far enough, I'd go with executions on the street. That would be a message to send.

      Your head may be a little deep up your ass.

    7. Re:Devi'ls advocate by omnichad · · Score: 1

      the principle of free market economics

      And does that include wire fraud and crime? Or do you at least want some sensible restrictions on freedom?

    8. Re:Devi'ls advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As Western Union is a private company, the only people that will pay more to cover this are Western Union customers. And if one is naive enough to use Western Union for any purpose, than they are no better than those who fell for a Nigerian scam. So, it's simply moving the funds from one group of low-information people to another.

    9. Re:Devi'ls advocate by gravewax · · Score: 1

      The problem here it isn't the scammers/VW being punished, it is the equivalent of punishing the car dealership, i.e. the middle man. The scammers got off free.

    10. Re:Devi'ls advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were the car dealerships aware of what VW was doing? I doubt it, while apparently WU was likely aware of what was going on fairly early in the process, certainly by 2005. So that is not a valid comparison.

    11. Re:Devi'ls advocate by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      The money wasn't recovered from the scammers it was paid back by Western Union, which means the real cost will inevitably be passed on to its other customers.

      Businesses don't work that way. They set prices to maximize profit. If they could be making more money with higher prices THEY WOULD ALREADY BE DOING IT.

    12. Re:Devi'ls advocate by whoever57 · · Score: 2

      Read the article again. Western Union was effectively involved in the scam.

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    13. Re:Devi'ls advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better alternative: roll back the wire transfers and leave the overseas bank to find the scammer.

    14. Re:Devi'ls advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My wife works at a grocery store. An elderly person came in wanting to buy $1,000.00 in iTunes cards to send to a niece who was stranded out of the country This person said they knew it was true, because they had received a text from this niece - no follow-up phone call, and they refused to call the niece to verify. My wife told them it was a scam and refused to sell them the cards. The person made a huge stink, demanded to speak to a manager, and made the manager sell them the cards, even after the manager assured them it was a scam.

      Sometimes people are just really, really stupidly gullible.

    15. Re:Devi'ls advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " naive enough to use Western Union"

      Some people can't get bank accounts, or can't afford to have them. Or don't have a way of sending money home overseas that is as convenient as WU. Lots of reasons reasonable people use WU.

    16. Re:Devi'ls advocate by scottrocket · · Score: 1

      the principle of free market economics

      And does that include wire fraud and crime? Or do you at least want some sensible restrictions on freedom?

      Online? I'm not sure there are sensible restrictions (unless you believe government knows best), except for those imposed by oneself - be wary, Google stuff that seems suspicious (to good to be true), etc.

    17. Re:Devi'ls advocate by Lordpidey · · Score: 1

      Being able to do this is quite frankly frightening.

      Why do we let there be a system, where other people can take money out of our account, because they decide that "Nah, you never got this money."

      If it can happen for illegitimate transactions, it can happen for legitimate ones.

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    18. Re:Devi'ls advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, some of the employees were involved. Western Union was not. though western union is deemed responsible for those employees.

    19. Re:Devi'ls advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As Western Union is a private company, the only people that will pay more to cover this are Western Union customers.

      How do you and the grandparent come to believe this? Do you think western union sits there and says "oh, today we got an extra £100,000 from a fuel refund, let's give it back to our customers by reducing their prices"?

      The prices are set as high as they can get away with and designed to get maximum money out of customers. If they increase their prices, that means they get less money because some customers switch to the competition. There is nothing they can do to take more money from their customers due to this. That means that Western Union and, in the end, Western Union's shareholders end up paying this. Not the customers.

    20. Re:Devi'ls advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If a company's employees are systemically perpetrating a scam, then essentially the COMPANY is responsible for the scam by not vetting the people it hires and monitoring them.

    21. Re:Devi'ls advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't want to call her. Says it all, really.

      If some relative of mine got stuck in a foreign country, I would definitely talk to them as part of helping them out. Finding out exactly what went wrong, can make for cheaper options. Might be able to calm them down. Sending a large sum lets robbed people buy tickets home, but I may be able to find a cheaper route. I can search the Internet for travel agenst, which may be impossible for someone who can't afford an Internet cafe after loosing their wallet. Or perhaps I can locate a friendly embassy or consulate in their town that routinely helps with this sort of thing.

      And how could iTunes cards possibly help a stranded person? Might be an interesting form of currency for the scammers, but nobody pays hotels rooms or travel agents in iTunes cards.

    22. Re:Devi'ls advocate by jythie · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, the reason wester union has this fund is that they were caught knowing these scams were going on but were raking in the fees. So this is coming out of their profits.

    23. Re:Devi'ls advocate by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      Hah, this system exists in Europe (notably: Eastern Europe) and people who didn't realize that were surprised by the opposite of the Nigerian Prince scam.

      They received money, in exchange for goods and/or services, but the sender "overpaid" them and asked for a refund (claiming to have clicked twice or whatever). Of course, after a few weeks the original transactions disappear, the money you sent is not going to be refunded (because your bank doesn't pull money back from other banks) and instead of getting paid, you have now paid the scammers for your goods.

      So you are correct: it's quite bad to have this system in place.

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    24. Re:Devi'ls advocate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes it is, but then EVERY company will have such employees, it is simply not possible to take them all out of the system. The point though is the end scammers got away with it, The company (rightly so) got some fines, but the true perpetrators are not punished.

    25. Re:Devi'ls advocate by omnichad · · Score: 1

      So you think fraud should just be legal? But only online because it's somehow special?

    26. Re:Devi'ls advocate by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Companies don't really have profits. They have shareholders and dividends, so its still coming out of the pockets of future customers.

    27. Re:Devi'ls advocate by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Well WU do have a captive market don;t they? I mean who else does the same money transfer thing as them in the US?

  5. I'd like to see more education programs by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    for these kinds of scams. The people fall for them are probably going to exist for a long, long time. Of course, the way you prevent this is to teach critical thinking (yes, it can be taught) and I'm not so sure the powers that be would want that taught. I know the current batch doesn't.

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    1. Re:I'd like to see more education programs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, the way you prevent this is to teach critical thinking (yes, it can be taught) and I'm not so sure the powers that be would want that taught.

      Just because someone is taught critical thinking skills doesn't mean they'll actually use that skill appropriately. Sometimes it's because of greed. Sometimes it's because of laziness. Sometimes it's because of exhaustion. Sometimes it's even because those in power specifically attempt to suppress critical thinking in certain areas--really, very few in power aren't like this.

      tl; dr - Education really isn't the issue.

    2. Re:I'd like to see more education programs by msauve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Critical thinking" in these cases is nothing more than common sense. No, some foreign royalty isn't going to pay Joe Blow a large sum of money for any reason.

      It only affects greedy people who think there's a pot of gold under the rainbow.

      Let Darwinism take its course. Stupidity should be painful.

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    3. Re:I'd like to see more education programs by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      There's the little bit at the back of the brain that says "it must might be true!" that has to be overcome. There are a variety of motivations that aren't just greed.

      Ie, my mother feels dumb because she doesn't know how to use computers well, and she feels dumb that I have to help her, and she wants to be independent. So when someone calls her up after she gets a computer virus and offers to help her get rid of it, she thinks that's a good thing. Oh, and it's free too, so she think she's being frugal too. She's been trained that everything's available online now, so why not computer support?

    4. Re: I'd like to see more education programs by andycal · · Score: 2

      Go to your bank, and request to wire a large sum of money (a few k or more) to another account. You will get questioned "do you know the recipient?" etc, as a safety check to be sure you are not being scammed. I don't think I've ever used Western Union, but if they don't perform the same safety check, they are a part of the problem.

    5. Re:I'd like to see more education programs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's the little bit at the back of the brain that says "it must might be true!" that has to be overcome. There are a variety of motivations that aren't just greed.

      Yes, my list wasn't exhaustive. As another poster mentioned, dementia can play a part. Gullibility is also a factor. Simple ignorance may apply. The point in this case, though, is that greed was almost certainly the cause. There may have been contributing factors, but education doesn't magically solve things.

      Ie, my mother feels dumb because she doesn't know how to use computers well, and she feels dumb that I have to help her, and she wants to be independent.

      Then she must be prepared to make a lot of costly mistakes, either in time or in money. She can also watch a lot of youtube if directed to the right sort of channels, but again, education doesn't magically solve things. :)

      So when someone calls her up after she gets a computer virus and offers to help her get rid of it, she thinks that's a good thing. Oh, and it's free too, so she think she's being frugal too. She's been trained that everything's available online now, so why not computer support?

      The problem here isn't that she might once make the mistake of thinking computer support like that might be available online for free. It's if she keeps thinking that or keeps becoming infected with viruses. Either it's an indication of bad luck (which does happen) or decisions that are causing her system to become infected.

      The point is, the only real method to independence is not an external body (like a school) educating you--at best it is only a base for later. It's vested self-interest that is willing to do a lot of self-observation and reflection to see what steps are successful and which ones aren't. It's little wonder then that people often feel that aiding people can turn into a dependence problem. Yes, people are rarely entirely independent, and most people basically expected dependence on some (lawyers, doctors, and car mechanics). Even there, one has to be self-aware enough to evaluate the effectiveness of those you place trust in, and you almost invariably pay a premium with that sort of relationship.

      tl;dr - Life is hard. :)

  6. Great News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear Sir:

    I have read this story with interest, please allow me to introduce myself. I have been requested by the Nigerian National Petroleum Company to reach out to slashdot for assistance in resolving a matter. The Nigerian National Petroleum Company has recently concluded a large number of contracts for oil exploration in the sub-Sahara region. The contracts have immediately produced moneys equalling $40,000,000. The Nigerian National Petroleum Company is desirous of oil exploration in other parts of the world, however, because of certain regulations of the Nigerian Government, it is unable to move these funds to another region.

    Your assistance is requested as a non-Nigerian citizen to assist the Nigerian National Petroleum Company, and also the Central Bank of Nigeria, in moving these funds out of Nigeria. If the funds can be transferred to your name, in your United States account, then you can forward the funds as directed by the Nigerian National Petroleum Company. In exchange for your accommodating services, the Nigerian National Petroleum Company would agree to allow you to retain 10%, or US$4 million of this amount.

    However, to be a legitimate transferee of these moneys according to Nigerian law, you must presently be a depositor of at least $100,000 in a Nigerian bank which is regulated by the Central Bank of Nigeria.

    If it will be possible for you to assist us, we would be most grateful. We suggest that you meet with us in person in Lagos, and that during your visit I introduce you to the representatives of the Nigerian National Petroleum Company, as well as with certain officials of the Central Bank of Nigeria.

    Please reply with your full contact details, social security number, bank account and credit card details. Time is of the essence in this matter; very quickly the Nigerian Government will realize that the Central Bank is maintaining this amount on deposit, and attempt to levy certain depository taxes on it.

    Yours,

    Prince Iconu Alwasi

    1. Re:Great News by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Dear Prince Alwasi,

      Your wonderful opportunity has come in answer to our urgent prayers. We are members of a church in great need of these funds for a new roof and have been faithfully praying for just such help. In order for us to proceed, you would simply need to become a member of our church. Please see here for details:

      http://www.419eater.com/html/k...

    2. Re:Great News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear JustNiz:

      Thank you for your interest in this investment opportunity. The Nigerian National Petroleum Company would be delighted to assist in funding a new roof for you church. Unfortunately due to money Nigerian moneys laundering legislation we are prohibited from donating directly but only as a return on investment.

      For USD $100,000 deposit in a Nigerian bank account of our choosing, the Nigerian National Petroleum Company.would agree to allow you to retain 10%, or US$4 million of the $40,000,000 contract.

      If you will please respond with social security number, bank account and credit card details.

      Thank You,

      Prince Iconu Alwasi

  7. Welp, there's the blueprint for the new 419 scam by bugnuts · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hi, we're Western Union notifying you of possible relief. We understand you fell victim to a Nigerian Prince Scam.

    We set aside USD$586,000,000 as a relief fund, and you can claim your portion of it.

    Just send us a $1490 processing fee and we will process your loss.

  8. Clarification please? by AlanObject · · Score: 1

    Under what legal theory would Western Union be responsible for the content of the messages it carries?

    Does this mean that I can sue my phone company if I fall for one of the scams that ring me up about 4 times a week every week for the past year?

    1. Re:Clarification please? by oldgraybeard · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Western Union admitted it knew some of its employees had conspired with scam artists to bilk people"

      Just my 2 cents ;)

    2. Re:Clarification please? by Peter+P+Peters · · Score: 1

      Under what legal theory would Western Union be responsible for the content of the messages it carries?

      Does this mean that I can sue my phone company if...

      I didn't even RTFA, but it says it right there in TFS "Western Union admitted it knew some of its employees had conspired with scam artists to bilk people out of money and had failed to fix the problem"
      Are your phone company employees participating in those phone scams? This is the difference.

    3. Re:Clarification please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Under what legal theory ...

      And why are you asking legal theory question on Slashdot?

      This is the WORST place to ask. It's nothing but web developers who like to think they are "engineers" who will answer your question from a information from a Google search.

      Frankly, the entire "culture" of this site has become nothing but a societal Troll.

      CAPTCHA: "HORRORS" indeed.

    4. Re:Clarification please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Under what legal theory would Western Union be responsible for the content of the messages it carries?

      Wait, do you think Western Union is still providing telegram service?

    5. Re: Clarification please? by andycal · · Score: 2

      WU's primary business is transferring money. (Telegrams not much anymore). Their target market is people without bank accounts+credit cards , so not the most financially skilled population.

  9. Re:Welp, there's the blueprint for the new 419 sca by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

    We can call it the “Nigerian Prince Scam Scam”.

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  10. The market government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It took them TEN YEARS to recover less than $2 million. Computed in daily calculations over that ten years, they recovered approximately several hundred dollars a day. The market wouldn't tolerate such pitiful results.

    1. Re: The market government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Market would not have gotten it back at all.

  11. BS detection by Gavrielkay · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sadly, it is a known fact that the bullshit meter starts to fail in the elderly:
    https://health.howstuffworks.c...

    This is why they are preyed on by utter shitbags who are the real villains in this story.
    The scammers who prey on our most vulnerable and the greedy idiots at WU who helped them should rot in jail in some third world shithole.,

    Say what you want about how it's really their fault and they should have known better. If you're lucky you'll live to be 77+ and you can feel the pain of having earned wisdom only to have it fade away, to have contributed all your life and have it mean nothing. The lack of sympathy in this thread is appalling.

    1. Re:BS detection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article says that he was a self-employed handyman. I wonder how much wisdom he actually earned over his lifetime.

    2. Re:BS detection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except he may have only been 67 at the time. So not really that old.

    3. Re:BS detection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, it's possible to create a "spendthrift" trust in which the trustor and the beneficiary are the same person. The trustee can be an insurance company that offers such services, most of the major life insurance companies do. It's also possible to setup annuities in the trust such that you continue receiving funds on a periodic basis until death. The benefit of all this is that with a "spendthrift" trust there's just no way for creditors or anyone else to get at your money because you're a "spendthrift", per the trust, and the benefits cannot be attached under most normal circumstances. This makes it very hard for the Nigerian scammers, even when you're 80+ years old and your mind is halfway gone.

    4. Re:BS detection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why they are preyed on by utter shitbags who are the real villains in this story.

      Never mind the "Nigerian princes". They are the small fish. The elderly pay much larger amounts to "churches" and "preachers" who promise a place in "heaven" by "praying" for them. These scammers do much better, because they're allowed to operate in-country.

    5. Re:BS detection by chihowa · · Score: 1

      So you give all of your money to this third party insurance company (generally known as the most absolutely ethical and trustworthy and compassionate of all companies) and they promise to keep it safe and dole it out to you as you lose your mind? If they happen to just stop disbursing funds (perhaps even for agreed-upon reasons buried in a hundred pages of legalese), you hopefully have the means and wherewithal to take them to court for the next xx years to get it back?

      That sounds exactly like one of these predatory scams.

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    6. Re:BS detection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Never mind the "Nigerian princes". They are the small fish. The elderly pay much larger amounts to "churches" and "preachers" who promise a place in "heaven" by "praying" for them. These scammers do much better, because they're allowed to operate in-country.

      It seems like the cult of personality cancer is very country-dependent. I grew up in a different country with mostly catholics registered in one of their schools since second grade but never saw this model of "preaching". I knew about a spanish-dubbed, imported protestant priest of Club 700 being an exception but nobody from my school, household, the priesthood, or other adults devout or otherwise ever mentioned this program --then again, the country very loosely follows even its own religious pretense.
      Donation-wise, my school would hold some money raising activities once in a while. The only other priests ever saw on TV was the country's catholic cardinal, some very traditional made-for-tv sunday mass or the pope once a year.

      If most churches put weight on the bible itself rather than trumping the scriptures with the following of made-up traditions and imperfect teachers, people would be more careful. It warns followers to that there would be false christs, as to steer away from turning God's house of prayer into a house of money changers (Universal church is pretty grimy selling "blessed" items and charging for healing on TV), and also mentions that wolves would enter into the fold to slaughter the sheep.

  12. Poor Western Union by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are doing what they can, shady or not, to pull in the bucks now before they get put out of business by technology or the law. As soon as the wall with Mexico goes up and the deportations get flowing that 00 per cent of the Mexican GDP that flows across the border from people in the US will dry up and the layoffs and office closings will start.

  13. Not when the company's looking the other way by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    so they can pocket their share of the money. Also, people who fall for these scams aren't all there in the head. There's 350 million people in this country. if .1% of them fall into that category that's still 350k potential victims.

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  14. VOYA can get away with it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duh gubmint works for us and not corporate entities. Just because VOYA robbed me of US$500,000 and got away with it doesn't prove anything. Just like Larry Silverstein's double indemnity insurance policy doesn't prove 9-11 was an inside job. See how that works kids? Real news learned ya good.

  15. You can't by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

    You can't fix stupid...

    Haines re-mortgaged his house three times in the process.

    1. Re:You can't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't fix stupid...

      Haines re-mortgaged his house three times in the process.

      I've encountered a number of people who fell for this kind of thing and some of them had degrees they would not have obtained unless they had an above average IQ. I think it's more like: You can't fix greedy.

    2. Re:You can't by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      Stupidity has many forms.

  16. They knew! THEY KNEW! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They knew.

  17. WHO-HOOO! FINALLY! I'M _SOMEBODY_!!! by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1
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  18. News of the refund is out! by easyTree · · Score: 1

    Presumably exiled princes the world over are cueing-up round two of their attempts to collect on their inheritance with the help of someone who has been so helpful in the past?

    Troubled waters ahead :/

  19. have to admire... by Tom · · Score: 2

    You have to admire the brilliance that is in this:

    Haines is one of 344 victims who recovered a total of $1,758,988 through the Kansas Attorney General's office -- though when the office sent out 25,000 letters to possible scam victims, many of them were now skeptical of the promise of unclaimed money, and "Some were even angry when employees called to follow up on those who hadn't responded."

    So their response to a scam in which people fall victim to receivein a claim that they have money waiting for them in the mail - is to send them a mail telling them that there is money waiting for them.

    Someone had a very, very big glas of irony the day they decided that.

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    1. Re:have to admire... by cmdr_klarg · · Score: 1

      I know I'm late for this discussion, but I only have one question: How else are they going to contact them?

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  20. Both are true by raymorris · · Score: 1

    >> the real cost will inevitably be passed on to its other customers.

    > Businesses don't work that way. They set prices to maximize profit. If they could be making more money with higher prices THEY WOULD ALREADY BE DOING IT.

    Both are true. Suppose company WU and company MG both produce a product that costs them $3 to make. Company MG charges $5. You are correct that company WU will raise its price to about $5, and not much higher, because that's the point of maximum profit given the competition.

    Company MG, through some deal making, manages to cut it's cost to $2 and cuts its price to $3. Meanwhile, Company WU has their costs increase to $6. Company WU will NOT drop it's price to match MG, because they would be losing money
      Instead, they'll their price to at least $6, because anything less doesn't generate profit. They will lose a lot of market share, but their revenue has to match their expenses or they exit the business. Company WU will raise their price to $6000, so they only have one customer left, if that's what it takes to meet their expenses - and even set a price so high that they have no customers and exit the business, if their costs are too high.

    So the price is a function of not only competition, but also costs. When costs to a business increase, prices increase - even if that results in losing market share.

    Losing market share will, of course, mean the fixed costs are borne by fewer customers, thereby pushing prices higher still, until either the company is providing a better product than the competition (or in places there is no competition), or the business fails.

    1. Re:Both are true by TFAFalcon · · Score: 2

      But in this case, the 'cost' will be a one time thing - not a marginal cost increase of the service. So if they increase the price, they will lose money since their market share will decrease - they will still need to pay the settlement amount regardless of the number of new services they sell.

    2. Re: Both are true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is not the whole truth. Companies will and have done this lower their prices while losing money to get at the competition and take over market share possibly driving competitors out of business. You need deep coffers to do so but that doesn't mean it won't happen. Once you have the right market share or driven competitors out you can raise prices gradually or remove "features" from your offerings while keeping the price the same effectively raising the price of the original offering.

  21. Fake scams work, for real-life training by raymorris · · Score: 2

    The last two places I worked, corporate security occasionally sent out a "phishing" or scam email. If you clicked the link in the email, you got a page about email scams. Open an attachment in one of the fake scams, the attachment was a reminder to not open attachments.

    If, instead, you clicked the "report this email" button in Outlook, you got a message saying "congratulations, you didn't fall for the scam."

    That seems to work. After the first few emails sent by corporate security, the number of people falling for it dropped significantly.

    Interestingly, this didn't involve your boss or someone from corpsec saying anything to you. Just the questionable email had a link to a page saying you shouldn't have clicked it.

    1. Re:Fake scams work, for real-life training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A reminder to not open attachments? If you have a company policy to not open email attachments, have the email server strip out attachments. That is easy enough to arrange, and you no longer rely on no employee ever making that mistake. A milder variant is to only stop executable attachments, as they ar the only ones that may contain viruses. I.e. exe/com/bat files, word/office files (because of scripting abilities), zip and other archives because they can hide executable stuff. Funny cat pictures still gets through.

    2. Re: Fake scams work, for real-life training by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm sure nobody in your company has to open invoices from external parties, nobody has to open quotes sent by contractors (PDFs contain JS and postscript can probably mine cryptocurrency nowadays :D), nobody gets zips (err tar.gzs :)) with CVs and answers to the do-at-home programming quiz etc. White listing only the people that are supposed to get these kinds of attachments is not going to be a nightmarish bureaucratic process for a reasonably big company to a point where it affects your companies ability to function properly.

  22. Questionable behavior by pettik · · Score: 1

    So it's perfectly ok to collect funds to be sent to nigerian scammers so they can continue their business? I don't think it is the best kind of aid to Africans.

    1. Re:Questionable behavior by St.Creed · · Score: 1

      So it's perfectly ok to collect funds to be sent to nigerian scammers so they can continue their business? I don't think it is the best kind of aid to Africans.

      Arguably, it's one of the best forms of aid. You are directly helping Nigerian locals, who know best where to spend their money. Their money is in turn spent by others that receive that money. And while they can only consume so much, they do not get such an amount that they can never spend it, so all of the money ends up in the local economy. And in direct contrast with standard aid, it comes with no strings attached: no forced consumption of obsolete western goods, no-one telling them to buy Monsanto seeds (or the opposite: to not buy them). They're free to make their own choices and by doing so improve the local economy. At a certain point in time this will lead to a flywheel effect if the money is not used only for extra consumption of goods, but invested by some of the providers of goods and services.

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    2. Re:Questionable behavior by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      You are directly helping Nigerian locals, who know best where to spend their money.

      Yeah, buying guns and hiring thugs.
      These are organized crime figures that push these scams, and any money they get will be blown on drugs or used to prop up their power.

      Can't believe that there are still people who fall for the "trickle down" bullshit.

  23. And yet if that same 67 y/o... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...dates an 27 y/o, the SJWs start screaming about "power differential" and "grooming", etc.

  24. Tell me about it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm currently fucking this absolute whore of a Negress I picked up at Aldi. That slut's juicy pussy has STOLEN MY HEART...

  25. Cashing in by Deadstick · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My local supermarket had a Western Union poster on display at the customer service desk for years. Its background was a map of Africa with Nigeria highlighted, and it advertised a reduced rate on money transfers there. Now my area (Denver 'burbs) doesn't have any unusual concentration of Nigerian immigrants; their only possible reason for the offer was to get a piece of the action.

    Incidentally, the poster pointed out in the fine print that the customer would get less than the going exchange rate by an undisclosed amount, so WU was proactively going for sloppy seconds.

    1. Re:Cashing in by BobSteinVisiBone · · Score: 1

      That's funny, I thought for a moment you were going to say the poster WARNED AGAINST the scams.

      If you google "western union poster nigeria discount" what you see up top is an advertisement:

      "Western Union Online | Send money to Nigeria ... Fast transfers start at $4.99 for sends up to $50! Fast, Easy and Reliable. Reliable Online Service. 160 Years of Excellence. Leader in Money Transfer. Easy To Send And Receive."

      Thus the modern version of your story.

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    2. Re:Cashing in by mjwx · · Score: 1

      My local supermarket had a Western Union poster on display at the customer service desk for years. Its background was a map of Africa with Nigeria highlighted, and it advertised a reduced rate on money transfers there. Now my area (Denver 'burbs) doesn't have any unusual concentration of Nigerian immigrants; their only possible reason for the offer was to get a piece of the action.

      Or just a lazy advertising department dispatching the same poster to dozens of store fronts without actually knowing the demographic of that area.

      Never ascribe to malice what can easily be explained by stupidity.

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    3. Re:Cashing in by Raenex · · Score: 1

      Sometimes malice is the Occam's razor choice.

  26. Greedy or desperate by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    We've had multiple economic crashes in the last 50 years that have hit blue collar workers hard. Combine that with the manufacturing base going overseas and these folks are trying to figure out what the hell to do in a country that abandoned them (much in the way you're abandoning them now). You've got guys in their 50s too young for Medicare with health problems that are going to kill them and their wives in the next 5 years. Then you've got these same guys being told Jesus loves them and will provide for them.

    Screw Darwinism. You won't be claiming that in 10-20 years if your job gets offshored and you can't find another and you need a heart splint. You'll do whatever it takes to survive in the limits of your abilities. We're fucking human beings, not dogs. We don't need to eat each other when food gets scarce. We can figure out how to make enough for everyone. That's reason. Use yours. If not the wealthy will come for you in the next 20 years and you'll die just as horribly as the ones you're looking down on.

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  27. Involvment of Western Union employees by najajomo · · Score: 1

    "Western Union admitted it knew some of its employees had conspired with scam artists to bilk people out of money and had failed to fix the problem"

    What exactly was the nature of the employee involvement and why was neither Western Union or its employees prosecuted?

  28. HAHAHAAA! by iq145 · · Score: 1
  29. Engrish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I wish you can remove doubt and suspicious and go ahead I assured you that you will never regret this fund release."

    OK, even the bog-standard, low-grade scams have managed to eliminate Engrish from their communications. And this has been a red flag for fraud forever.

    One cannot help the stupid. Gullibility is not an illness one can cure or correct. Sometimes the only corrective action is to get burned and learn an expensive lesson.

    Even with that though. How did this person get taken for $110,000? At what point was this individuals BS meter finally going to go off? Sounds to me like the only effective check on this epic stupidity is to go to a bank balance of zero.