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Amazon Brings Alexa To Hotels (zdnet.com)

Amazon is finally bringing Alexa to the hotel room. The e-commerce giant announced Tuesday the launch of Alexa for Hospitality, a specialized version of the voice assistant that integrates into popular hotel software systems for guest services. From a report: Housed inside of an Echo device, Alexa for Hospitality is functionally identical to the Alexa used in homes, except tailored to a hotel's service options. Guests can tell Alexa to order room service, book a spa appointment, call for housekeeping, provide directions, or play music in their room, for example. On the privacy side, Amazon said hotels will not have access to voice recordings of Alexa interactions or responses, and recordings of Alexa commands are remotely wiped when the guest checks out of the hotel. However, hotels can use Alexa for Hospitality to "measure engagement through analytics and adapt services based on guest feedback," Amazon said. Alexa for Hospitality is available to hotels, vacation rentals, and other hospitality providers starting today, with Marriott International signed up to deploy the service across its hotel portfolio this summer.

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  1. Translaton: by ArylAkamov · · Score: 5, Informative

    Corporation brings always on spy microphones to public hotels

    1. Re:Translaton: by Luthair · · Score: 2

      Does the FBI / CIA need to wait for them to be deployed or can they issue NSL ahead of time. Wouldn't want to miss the opportunity to spy on foreign businesses and government officials.

  2. Uhhh heck no. by GregMmm · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So better then buying a device which is listening to you in a home, I'll allow a hotel to purchase a device that listens to me in a room I'm renting. No way. If I saw this in my room, I would unplug it.

    1. Re:Uhhh heck no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What if unplugging is not allowed or impossible? :-)
      Or, what if there is an "Off" button, but it just puts it to "stand-by" (which actually keeps recording!)? :-)

    2. Re:Uhhh heck no. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      Foam tape over the mic hole, then. Blocks/garbles audio nicely.

    3. Re:Uhhh heck no. by ffkom · · Score: 1

      Foam is too obvious of a destruction, and might not be good enough to dampen the recording.

      Bring the electric extracted from a 3 bucks electric mosquito zapper, and shock the amazon device into nirvana - leaves no visible traces.

    4. Re:Uhhh heck no. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      The idea isn't to destroy the fucking thing, just make it non-functional when you're in the room, without having to pay for damages.

    5. Re:Uhhh heck no. by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      It's not my fault that their outlets aren't properly grounded. A power surge like that could have taken out my $2000 laptop and $1000 phone. They are lucky that all that got damaged is the cheap listening device that they (probably) got for free from Amazon.

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    6. Re:Uhhh heck no. by DeVilla · · Score: 1

      Which is why it'll be hard-mounted with no exposed wires, like the smoke detector.

    7. Re:Uhhh heck no. by Deep+Esophagus · · Score: 1

      But they promise not to eavesdrop! Cross their corporate heart and swear to die! We can take them at their word, I'm sure.

    8. Re:Uhhh heck no. by houghi · · Score: 1

      So the next version will be undetectable.

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    9. Re:Uhhh heck no. by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      They thought about that. Supplementary microphones throughout the room. One of them laser activated off of your mirror. The only difference is the acts like she can't hear you. "Sorry, did you say something Dave?"
      "Sorry, I didn't get that, could you repeat?"
      "Would you like to play a game?"
      "Choices:"
      "1) Thermonuclear war"
      "2) Backgammon"
      "3) Tic Tac Toe"

  3. Finally? by dstyle5 · · Score: 1

    I've always wanted a creepy, intrusive always on microphone in my hotel room. Thanks Amazon!!! Note to self, never stay at a Marriott hotel.

    1. Re:Finally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I work in the business, and am developing such a voice-control thing with alexa/google-assistant/... We're doing it not because we think it is a good idea, but because the hotels want such a solution. This is not just Marriott - it is almost all of the hotel chains that want this.

      Voice control is good for some things, such as when you cannot use you hands in the kitchen, or for when you want to turn off all you lights when going to bed - but it requires some learning period which won't happen in hotels. It probably won't go well when an important guest with a southern drawl or an asian accent can't get his commands to be recognized. From a privacy perspective we have encountered some guests who remove the motion sensor because they are concerned about privacy. I think there will be some backlash sooner or later.

      Posting as AC for obvious reasons.

    2. Re:Finally? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      Voice control isn't really that big of a deal in the kitchen -- just rinse your hands if you need to touch something electrical.

      As far as going to bed, there's usually a button or switch for the bedside lights within arm's reach of the bed.

  4. No. Just no. by Moof123 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I better be able to unplug the darn thing or I'll be up at the front desk ASAP.

  5. check list for checking in by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

    1. Unplug listening devices
    2. Set the A/C to something above freezing
    3. Open the windows
    etc.

    Who on earth wants one of these things in their hotel room?

    1. Re:check list for checking in by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More like:

      1. Unplug the listening device
      2. Realize the A/C, TV, lights and kettle are controlled by the (now off) listening device
      3. Plug the listening device back in

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    2. Re:check list for checking in by DogDude · · Score: 1

      3. Plug the listening device back in

      Maybe you, but not me.
      #3: Get a refund and find a different hotel.

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    3. Re:check list for checking in by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah right. That's nice and all, unless you just landed from a 7 hour flight, you're tired, and the hotel room was booked for you in advance by your company. I guarantee you most travelers in that kind of situation just give in and hit the sack.

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    4. Re:check list for checking in by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      4. Set A/C to desired temperature.
      5. Unplug listening device again.

    5. Re:check list for checking in by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You're too kind to the GP. I will actually wager that there are no people anywhere which would give enough shits about this, even if they just arrived from a 2 hour train ride well rested at a place they found on hotels.com

      You're talking about a device that a shitton of people are very comfortable with having around them. Though I'm sure you'll find one joker who will post "LOL just changed hotels because of #privacy" on their Facebook page.

    6. Re:check list for checking in by Daralantan · · Score: 1

      I guarantee you most travelers in that kind of situation just give in and hit the sack.

      Then just add one step. Hit the Alexa with your luggage!

    7. Re:check list for checking in by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

      6. Unplug phone.
      7. Put do not disturb sign on the door.

  6. Pity by KavyBoy · · Score: 1

    Pity, it didn't work anyway. Must have gotten wet somehow. Good thing it wasn't plugged in.

    1. Re:Pity by coofercat · · Score: 1

      Being in a hotel, the 'wet' could be due to all manner of different causes - most of which I wouldn't want to get too close to.

  7. Re:My first test by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Alexa, send a moderately priced escort to room 1703. Brunette, no more than 120 pounds, age 25 or younger.

    You're going to be disappointed when Alexa sends a 13 year-old jockey to your room. Or maybe not.

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  8. Re:Wired in by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    That isn't a troll. I install these systems for Marriott. You sound like you have something to hide!

  9. Re:Wired in by GregMmm · · Score: 2

    Of course I have something to hide... my privacy. It's a real bass ackward way to look at it. I don't give people the ability to listen to me inside my house or bedroom because I don't have anything to hide. If you would like to, go ahead. For me, I'll "hide" all of my deep dark secrets, mainly because I can, and I want to.

  10. Re:Wire Cutters by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Alexa is wireless.

  11. Re:My first test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    or a 25 year old ford escort that is being sold for less that 120 pounds sterling

  12. Re:Wired in by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    What is this thing you call "privacy"? Don't you want the corporations to know what you are doing so they can better sell things to you?

  13. Great... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

    One more thing with a bright blue LED that I'll have to unplug or cover up.

  14. Re:Wired in by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    Having something to hide is WHY people go to hotels in the first place.

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  15. privacy? by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

    On the privacy side, Amazon said hotels will not have access to voice recordings of Alexa interactions or responses, and recordings of Alexa commands are remotely wiped when the guest checks out of the hotel.

    I assume Amazon will keep all records, for quality control purposes...

    1. Re:privacy? by andrewbaldwin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Amazon said hotels will not have access to voice recordings of Alexa interactions or responses"

      oh really?

      the second part seems to contradict this

      "recordings of Alexa commands are remotely wiped"

      unless that implies that the hotel doesn't keep a copy but Amazon does.

      My guess is that they do have access to recordings - but let's imagine that they don't:

      What happens when the guest orders a load of perishable food to the room and then when it arrives they deny all knowledge [e.g. through malice or if their romantic getaway turned sour and they didn't want that expensive dinner any more or they claim someone else walked in the room and made the request or ... ] ?

      Are you seriously suggesting the hotel wouldn't keep a copy of the order to play it back to the guest?

      If they don't then there's plenty of scope for 'pranks' and or sabotage from their competitors to run up the food wastage bills ; if they do keep recordings for this eventuality, then why not for other purposes (which gives a weasel excuse to cover any/all occasions).

    2. Re:privacy? by buchanmilne · · Score: 1

      "Amazon said hotels will not have access to voice recordings of Alexa interactions or responses"

      oh really?

      the second part seems to contradict this

      "recordings of Alexa commands are remotely wiped"

      unless that implies that the hotel doesn't keep a copy but Amazon does.

      It more likely implies that the recordings are stored on-device until the guest checks out.

  16. Re:Wired in by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    My guess it was the Wife lobby pushing to get these installed in hotels.

  17. Re:Wire Cutters by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    Alexa is wireless.

    Wireless power too?

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  18. Re:Brings Back Memories... by RickyShade · · Score: 1

    Or you could... turn it off?

  19. Re:Nope by RickyShade · · Score: 1

    Pretty sure it will be well-secured to prevent theft. They're not that valuable anyway.

  20. Re:Wired in by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    I don't see how Marriott would consider that a problem.

  21. Re:Wire Cutters by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Yes. Powered by AI Deep Learning Neural Networks.

  22. Privacy options exist by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Informative
    From: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/t...

    Marriott Hotels was announced as the first adopter of the new platform ...

    Guests can choose whether they would like to share a room with Alexa or disable the technology by tapping the “mute” button. Guests can also request the Echo speaker to be taken out of the room.

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    1. Re:Privacy options exist by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Whew. A mute button? Problem solved!

    2. Re:Privacy options exist by houghi · · Score: 1

      Things like this should be opt-in, not opt-out. They should at the desk if I want to use one, go through the EULA with a notary present (paid by the hotel) to be sure I have read the whole thing and then let me decide if I want one or not.

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    3. Re:Privacy options exist by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Speaker?! We're worried about the microphone!

    4. Re:Privacy options exist by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

      Things like this should be opt-in, not opt-out. They should at the desk if I want to use one, go through the EULA with a notary present (paid by the hotel) to be sure I have read the whole thing and then let me decide if I want one or not.

      Preaching to the choir, buddy. I wasn't defending the dumb thing, just reporting some info...

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  23. Re:Wire Cutters by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Electrical wires are SO last decade. You just lack courage.

  24. Personalization options exist by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1
    From: https://www.engadget.com/2018/...

    Personalization is also on the cards. Alexa for Hospitality will eventually allow guests to temporarily connect their Amazon account to the Echo in their room so they can play their own music from services including Amazon Music and Spotify, or listen to audiobooks via Audible. When they check out, their account will be automatically disconnected from the device.

    What could go wrong? And it's not like Alexa will still work when you're out of the room and housekeeping is there, etc... (sigh)

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  25. Cyberpunk Dystopia without the Cool by decipher_saint · · Score: 2

    At this point nothing surprises me something-something television watches you... I'll be under a bridge with Ice-T

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    1. Re: Cyberpunk Dystopia without the Cool by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Why let them win by killing yourself? Move to a poorer EU country, stronger privacy protections and less money for the techno-baubles that American corepirations seem to love.

  26. Re:Nope by andrewbaldwin · · Score: 1

    I suspect that the poster wasn't thinking about stealing it but meant that it will be removed in the sense of a call to the front desk "Please take this from my room - thank you" and/or physically taking it out and dumping it in the managers office.
     

  27. Re:Wired in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I do have something to hide. I am a 44 year old man that likes to dance around in women's lingerie. I want to hide that from everyone. I hide this from you as a favor to you.

    Plus, I don't like being watched by unknown, untrusted algorithms or people. Have you seen what happens when extremist people find out that someone doesn't think like they do? Of course you have. The work you are doing is just one step closer to them wanting to harm or kill me because of my views or behavior. Not all people can be trusted. The small convenience is not worth the risks to me. I can use a phone. You can go fuck yourself.

  28. Random person recording in a hotel room...? by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, if a random independent hotel owner puts a recording device in their rooms, wouldn't that person go to prison for a long, long time? How about the civil suits? I don't understand how people wouldn't want, say, me, to put a recording device in their rooms, but are A-OK with Amazon doing the recording, and sharing that recording with an unlimited number of unknown people.

    People are kinda' dumb.

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    1. Re:Random person recording in a hotel room...? by Entrope · · Score: 1

      If its presence is disclosed before the customer perfects the contract, or it is easy to remove or disable, there probably isn't a legal problem. Without an opt-out mechanism, though, it would probably be a conspiracy to violate anti-wiretapping laws.

      What will be interesting is what happens when the person who knows about it is out of the room when someone else gets recorded...

    2. Re:Random person recording in a hotel room...? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      This isn't a recording device. It's an Alexa.

      Sincerely,
      The common person.

  29. Re:Wired in by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    The systems will also be wired into the entertainment system so they cannot be turned off.

    Actually no, they're not required. From: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/t...

    Guests can choose whether they would like to share a room with Alexa or disable the technology by tapping the “mute” button.
    Guests can also request the Echo speaker to be taken out of the room.

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  30. msmash is a drone by burningcpu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Amazon is finally bringing Alexa to the hotel room."

    I'm getting a little tired of the blatant advertising on /., and definitely annoyed with the 'related links' section, which highlights the same controversial / offputting links for all stories.

    msmash embodies the new /. Yuck.

    1. Re:msmash is a drone by rojash · · Score: 1

      I was also mad about that - but consider that a majority of the population (like the ones who still adores FB) will love shit like this which they cannot afford or can't convince their mothers to buy. This is actually a great marketing gimmick; as annoying as those fucking email newsletter popups. As long as there are stupid people, stuff like this will be a hit.

    2. Re:msmash is a drone by forkfail · · Score: 1

      Well. You won't be modding any comments for... lets see... ever again.

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  31. Re:Wired in by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

    What entertainment system? Does anyone with a half-decent laptop or tablet use hotel TeeVees anymore?

  32. Alexa: delete my log of activities by bettodavis · · Score: 2

    "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that"

    Everything is fun and giggles, until someone hacks the hotel and all Alexa records of privately said words and activities (with names and personal info) are sent to a big DB in Ukraine, and then to sites making fun of the adult movie viewing habits of foolish hotel visitors.

    1. Re:Alexa: delete my log of activities by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Better yet, if the devices are compromised and use for industrial espionage by the Russians or Chinese. Business travelers have a lot of confidential discussions in their hotel rooms.

  33. "finally"? by sacrilicious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Amazon is finally bringing Alexa to the hotel room.

    What is this, an advertisement? Pre-supposing the audience has wanted this for a long time?

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  34. Re:Wired in by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    The systems will also be wired into the entertainment system so they cannot be turned off. I don't know why you would want to turn them off anyway, unless you have something to hide.

    That's okay. The first thing I do in every Marriott hotel these days is unplug the entertainment system from the TV entirely so that the TV's video input button works and I can watch Netflix on a laptop plugged into the set. Unplugging it further to disable the Alexa functionality is no big deal.

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  35. Re:My first test by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Funny....

    But on a serious note, will be you able to disable and turn the fucking thing OFF??

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  36. Re:Wired in by cayenne8 · · Score: 1

    What entertainment system? Does anyone with a half-decent laptop or tablet use hotel TeeVees anymore?

    Yep...sometimes it is just too much shit to carry to bring that stuff, so yet...I watch the TV.

    And even if I do bring it....I like to watch content on the much larger TV screen than a tiny laptop or tablet..

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  37. Need a volunteer ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... to book one of these rooms and, without activating Alexa, say, "Come on, Joe. Work faster. We gotta wire the goddam bomb then get the fuck out of here before it blows!"

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  38. Re: My first test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Of course. Alexa will promise to be disabled and fuck off and that's just as good, right. A promise is a promise.

  39. Re:Wired in by andrewbaldwin · · Score: 1

    Well that's a good idea !! (sarcasm)

    I can easily see the downsides for the guests but it's a huge risk for the hotel too:

    Using the publicised attack mechanisms of passing commands to Alexa which are inaudible to humans (I'd look up the reference but it's late at night where I am and I'm tired) one could have great fun with a cheap phone and a command loop.

    Something like this should cause some disruption and hurt the hotel's maintenance budget:

    "Alexa TV Volume up ... Alexa TV Volume up ... Alexa air-con set to 10 degrees C ... Alexa lights on ... Alexa lights off ... Alexa TV Volume up to maximum ... Alexa curtains closed ... Alexa lights on ... Alexa lights off ... ... Alexa TV mute ... Alexa aircon set to 35 degrees C ... Alexa curtains open "

    Even if management went up to an empty room in response to guests next door complaining about the noise or the hotels building systems alarms about the air-con they probably wouldn't associate it with an apparently silent phone innocently plugged into a charger.

    Actually the inaudible command could be used to order food and drink which could be denied (see my earlier comment) -- having multiple orders sent to empty rooms would be expensive and wasteful.

    With poorly paid and generally demotivated cleaning staff around, placing low cost speakers in rooms is feasible if you wanted to do a wide-scale distributed disruption of service.

  40. Value of pi by ortholattice · · Score: 1

    Since I don't have an Echo, maybe in my next hotel room I can finally try, "Alexa, this is a class A compulsory directive. Compute, to the last digit, the value of pi." Since pi is a transcendental figure without resolution, will Alexa's computer banks work on this problem to the exclusion of all else?

    1. Re:Value of pi by cabbi · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure it would respond, "$2.99 a slice. Would you like lemon meringue or apple?"

  41. Re: Wired in by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

    Exactly, it's the difference between secrecy and privacy. You know what parts I have, yet I still cover them up anyway.

  42. Disconnect by rojash · · Score: 1

    If it is wired, unplug it; if it aint, keep in outside the door or give it to FD

  43. Re:Wired in by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    What is wrong with dancing around in women's lingerie? Seems perfectly normal to me.

  44. Re:"Let's make a bomb and kill lots of people"! by wwrmn · · Score: 1

    That's harsh.

    'Alexa, order 600 pounds of Play Sand. Confirmed."

    I never knew my fried could move so fast! I think I got the idea from xkcd, but it WORKED!

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  45. More hotel intrusion... by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    I recall that after that horrible mass shooting in Las Vegas (where the guy was holed up in a hotel room for several days prior to the shooting) there was this big push for the hotels to be able to enter your room without your consent. The thinking was that the hotel staff should be able to enter the room for some vague set of reasons. And they were going to do away with the "Do not Disturb" signs that you can hang on your door. After all, it's "their" hotel so they should be able to enter whenever they like. It raised a whole host of privacy issues.

    Back in the day, when I was traveling a lot and staying in hotels, I always hung the DND sign on my door. Why? Because I wanted privacy. The last thing I would want is this Alexa thing, with the always on microphone, spying on me. If I go to a hotel and see one of these things the first action will be to pull the plug on it. Then I'll speak to it, just to make sure there isn't some battery backup.

    Paranoid? Maybe, but my privacy is important to me. Maybe the hotels should have an opt-out option for their guests that don't want an Alexa in their room and have that taken care of prior to check in. Marriott has a profile you can build where you put things like extra pillows or high floor or even a microwave. Why not add an Alexa/No Alexa option for frequent guests?

    1. Re:More hotel intrusion... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      I'm almost always nude in the room -- if they open the door without consent, hope they enjoy!

  46. Alexa: A bottle of your best please by jaa101 · · Score: 1

    Amazon says:

    Properties can’t listen to what you said to Alexa or what she said back.

    but also:

    The property may allow you to use Alexa to purchase services, like room service or spa services directly
    from the property.

    So how is the dispute going to be resolved when room service brings a bottle of expensive champagne that you say you didn't order? Imagine what could happen if you have kids in your room! Or malicious/pranking friends. Or people shouting through the door.

  47. Re:My first test by judoguy · · Score: 1

    Funny....

    But on a serious note, will be you able to disable and turn the fucking thing OFF??

    That's what the extra blankets in the closet are for. If you forgot your thick Alexa cozy to put over the thing.

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  48. Ooops by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    What if unplugging is not allowed or impossible? :-)

    Hotel floors can be very slippery when carrying glasses of water.

  49. Can I opt out? by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    Can I physically turn Alexa off in my room for the duration of my stay (as in, completely powered down)? As far as I'm concerned, it's a privacy invasion in my room, having a device always listening.

  50. Re:Wire Cutters by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 1

    Fortunately, I always have tin-foil in my suitcase when I stay at hotels. After I have eaten the sandwiches, I can accidentally drop it over the Alexa. (thinks: will carry double sided tape to make sure it sticks).

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  51. "Alexa, are you spying on me?" by rjthomas61 · · Score: 1

    "Sorry, I don't know the answer to that."

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  52. Re:My first test by joncombe · · Score: 1

    Drop it in the bath?

  53. Re:My first test by Rolgar · · Score: 1

    I'm sure they be able to do that for an extra fee.

  54. Re:My first test by strikethree · · Score: 1

    But on a serious note, will be you able to disable and turn the fucking thing OFF??

    That was my first thought as well. If the electric plug is visible, then yes; otherwise... um, maybe, maybe not.

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