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Intel CEO Brian Krzanich Resigns Over Relationship With Employee (theverge.com)

Intel has announced that CEO Brian Krzanich has resigned from the company effective immediately. From a report: CFO Robert Swan is now Intel's interim chief executive officer. "Intel was recently informed that Mr. Krzanich had a past consensual relationship with an Intel employee," the company said in a press release. "An ongoing investigation by internal and external counsel has confirmed a violation of Intel's non-fraternization policy, which applies to all managers." Krzanich's immediate resignation was accepted to show "that all employees will respect Intel's values and adhere to the company's code of conduct," according to Intel.

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  1. Well it was another GUY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know.

  2. FTFT by jbmartin6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Krzanich's immediate resignation was accepted to show "that all employees will respect Intel's values and adhere to the company's code of conduct"

    after being caught

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    1. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's still refreshing to see a CEO hold themselves to the same rules they expect their employees to abide by, even if it is only after they get caught. I'm sure there are plenty of low level managers at Intel that have gotten away with consentual relationships with their staff without being caught and nobody is expecting them to come forward and resign.

    2. Re:FTFT by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hard to punish someone YOU HAVEN'T CAUGHT.

    3. Re: FTFT by XXongo · · Score: 4, Informative
      Hm. If the relation really was consensual, I'm inclined toward being a bit tolerant.

      Of course, we haven't heard from the employee. Relations between powerful and powerless always tend to look consensual from the viewpoint of the powerful.

    4. Re:FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, by him stepping down, it sounds like he's accusing the entire executive management team...

      Also, easy way to get out and sell off your stock before the company begins to tank...

    5. Re:FTFT by jbmartin6 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The person knew he was in violation and could have resigned at the time of the relationship, instead of nobly resigning after some one ratted him out.

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    6. Re:FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Shows you the real code of conduct is "anything goes as long as you were not caught"

    7. Re:FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. Shows you the real code of conduct is "anything goes as long as you were not caught"

      And exactly where in the world is that NOT the real code of conduct? Please describe a process of how one might put in place a code of conduct that did NOT fit that definition.

    8. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      whether it was consensual or not is irrelevant.

      By having a relationship with a subordinate, your judgement can not be considered impartial. Did that subordinate get bigger raises or fast tracked on promotion vs other employees?

    9. Re:FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conspiracy Theory Hat On: getting caught in a relationship with an employee is a softer landing for a high level Intel employee than being found out that they cut corners to make shoddy products (see: Meltdown, Spectre, etc.)

    10. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if he'd married her? Would she still be able to work at Intel? Would he keep on being CEO?

    11. Re:FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      instead of nobly resigning after some one ratted him out.

      I don't think anyone is mistaking this for "nobly" resigning.

      As usual with managers, his goal is to get out and hope that people don't pay enough attention to this little segment of the news ("look over there, a Kardashian") to hold his actions against him in the future.

    12. Re:FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Krzanich's immediate resignation was accepted to show "that all employees will respect Intel's values and adhere to the company's code of conduct"

      after being caught

      Then he jumpped out the door with his nice golden parachute.

    13. Re:FTFT by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 2

      The consensual relationship story may be a cover for the fact that BK has lost faith in Intel's ability to fix security issues with the processors.

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    14. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Usually rules are set to not allow one spouse to be in the other's reporting line to avoid things like this. It works great for large companies, specifically for line workers or lower tier management, but with everyone else being in the CEO's line, it is pretty clear there is no guarantee of avoiding preferential treatment.

    15. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      As CEO he would of actually had a say in what the policy was.....tolerance is not called for.

    16. Re:FTFT by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 1

      I mean I don't exactly run to the police and say "Officer, please write me a ticket, I was clearly doing 100 in a 55"

      It's good that he resigned immediately, without a prolonged drama and submitted to the same rules they hold employees to. I'm not exactly sure I expect anyone to volunteer this. A consequence of these rules is that people are still people, bosses have flings with underlings. But if the underling wishes, at any point he or she complains and brings down the boss. As long as everyone keeps quiet, and keeps a low profile, it minimizes the inequity. If, however, anyone at all is exempt from the rules, or bypasses them somehow, the system falls apart.

    17. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And also when dealing with someone in power the idea of consensual potentially takes on different meaning. Yes the employee agreed to be in the relationship, but were they in the relationship out of affection, fear of recourse, potential career gains....? This is what the entire #MeToo movement is about.

    18. Re: FTFT by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you want to have a relationship with a subordinate the right thing to do is to remove yourself from a position of power over them. No matter how good your intentions are it's probably only a matter of time until there is a conflict of interest or you make a request they feel like they can't refuse without it hurting their career. And when if/when it does eventually come out, every decision you ever made affecting them will be questioned.

      As uncle Ben says, microwave rice isn't... I mean, with great power comes great responsibility.

      In this case it seems that he probably didn't want to do any of that stuff because he is already married with kids. Still, perhaps it doesn't need so much media coverage... "Stepped down due to personal issues" is probably enough.

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    19. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seneca said something like (paraphrased) "do not think it is so that you will find happiness in the misery of others." It is really a different forumulation of the same Golden Rule. What is refreshing to you is that you enjoy schadenfreude. Check your character.

    20. Re:FTFT by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      That was my first thought. What else did he do that they wanted to get rid of him for?

      It sounds like they looked into his past and found something they could use to terminate him.

    21. Re:FTFT by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      The November sell off of 75% of his shares in Intel may be an indicator.

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    22. Re: FTFT by oldmac31310 · · Score: 1

      He should have fired her and then they could resume their relationship. Problem solved!

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    23. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Managers shouldn't date subordinates period. It's nice to think optimistically, but reality shows that most relationships end in heartbreak for one of the involved. That creates a problematic environment. Doubly so for c-level executives.

    24. Re:FTFT by Kulahan · · Score: 1

      Krzanich's immediate resignation was accepted to show "that all employees will respect Intel's values and adhere to the company's code of conduct"

      after being caught

      No shit, Sherlock. If nobody knows something is going on, then how the fuck would they enforce the rules?

    25. Re: FTFT by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "If the relation really was consensual, I'm inclined toward being a bit tolerant. "

      Is it possible that I'm the only sane round here!?...

      ÂHow have you in USA reached to the position of accept -and even support, a company policy saying nay about the private life (and I mean private, as in it's no fucking issue for anybody but for those directly involved) of their employees?

      See? *Employees*. Not slaves, not serfs, not minions.

    26. Re: FTFT by boundandgaggedwomen · · Score: 1

      It's still refreshing to see a CEO hold themselves to the same rules they expect their employees to abide by, even if it is only after they get caught. I'm sure there are plenty of low level managers at Intel that have gotten away with consentual relationships with their staff without being caught and nobody is expecting them to come forward and resign.

      The first rule of business classes I took in the 1970's was "Don't Fuck Your Employees". Amazing that nowadays, it still gets people fired. And they were way more tolerant back then.

    27. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what? Who said your idea of fairness was the good one?

    28. Re:FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leaving his position for a relationship with a colleague may have been hard to explain to his wife.

    29. Re: FTFT by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Yes and no. There is a lot of weird politics that happens if there's an in-office relationship. You want to call the moron a moron, but you can't because he's dating your boss, or you find that one person's silly projects end up being high priority for no reason other than she's married to the project manager. So you want to lay off an employee but can't because you know you'll end up being enemies of of their paramour who will make your life hell. These aren't hypothetical examples, I've seen them happen.

      Now in some cases I can see it, you work in engineering, she's doing accounting, and the company is a reasonable size, so chances of drama are very low.

    30. Re: FTFT by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Even when there's no direct relationship at work you can still get some unwanted drama or poor business decisions. Ie, are they going to be fair in code reviews of each other if they are peers, or will they even want to disagree with each other? The person in power also feels compelled to provide favoritism to their significant other, which can happen overtly or subconsciously. Even for people far down the food chain you often don't want the romantic pair to be in the same or related departments.

    31. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And, if you are one of the many people who is sharing the same boss, and you are dissatisfied with your raise or lack of promotion, was it because she was having sex with him and you weren't, or something justified? It's a very large can of worms.

    32. Re: FTFT by jittles · · Score: 1

      Hm. If the relation really was consensual, I'm inclined toward being a bit tolerant.

      Of course, we haven't heard from the employee. Relations between powerful and powerless always tend to look consensual from the viewpoint of the powerful.

      He is CEO of the company. He has oversight over every single employee. There is no way for there to be a “consensual” relationship in this case unless his sexual partner also founded the company with him.

    33. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's a multimillionare. It was consensual.
      Man or woman. Rich or poor. Young or old. Black or white. x86 or amd. Ugly or Hot.
      The monkey with the biggest banana bunch doesn't need to go looking for suitors.

    34. Re: FTFT by The+Rizz · · Score: 1

      Yes and no. There is a lot of weird politics that happens if there's an in-office relationship. You want to call the moron a moron, but you can't because he's dating your boss,

      This one actually happened to me. Told someone he was fucking worthless at his job, to his face ... the day before my manager quit and got replaced by the moron's wife. I went from having nothing in my discipline file at the company, to having an inch thick stack of paperwork for why I should be fired in under a month.

      That being said, I think that any strict policy against dating in the workplace is a bad idea. Half the people I know met their S.O.'s at work, and as other posters have said, peoples' personal lives are personal and none of The Company's fucking business. Also, the idea that just because you have a policy against it in place that people will suddenly stop falling for their co-workers is ludicrous. People like who they like, and fall in love with who the fall in love with, and often consider their love life more important than their careers.

      You just need to make sure there's safeguards in place to deal with the situation when (not if) co-workers start dating.

    35. Re: FTFT by The+Rizz · · Score: 1

      He is CEO of the company. He has oversight over every single employee. There is no way for there to be a “consensual” relationship in this case unless his sexual partner also founded the company with him.

      This thinking is just plain naive. If the underling is the one who pursues the CEO, not the other way around, how is the CEO forcing him/herself on the other? If the underling instigates a sexual encounter of their own volition it may be considered bad judgment for the CEO to go along with it, but there's no way you can claim that the one instigating the encounter is not consenting.

    36. Re:FTFT by epine · · Score: 1

      Krzanich's immediate resignation was accepted to show "that all employees will respect Intel's values and adhere to the company's code of conduct," according to Intel.

      after being caught

      ... and with 3D XPoint halfway still born.

      Intel's Bold Plan to Reinvent Computer Memory (and Keep It a Secret) — March 2017

      "This is truly transformational," Intel CEO Brian Krzanich tells WIRED. "It allows architects—both at the PC level and the data center level—to rethink how they build the system."

      But in the end, it only transformed Intel's board to rethink Brian Krzanich.

    37. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I feel like your classmates all said, "challenge accepted".

    38. Re: FTFT by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Is it possible that I'm the only sane round here!?...

      Nope.

      How have you in USA reached to the position of accept -and even support, a company policy saying nay about the private life (and I mean private, as in it's no fucking issue for anybody but for those directly involved) of their employees?

      You are dead fucking right. The whole idea of it is fucking ridiculous and the appropriate response is "FUCK OFF". It's simple boys and girls: Women, especially hot women are attracted to powerful men. This is not some woo woo concept it's how our entire species has propagated and survived.

      Hypergamy is the behavior. Then there is the practise between peers, I spend so much time at work of course I'm going to notice women that work there and if they are interested they are going to encourage that attention.

      Obviously I'm not going to provide unwelcome attention however women put on make-up, dress nicely and wear high heals. There is so much sexual signaling there that if a company is going to attempt to decide what I do outside then I may as well raise a complaint to HR and call that sexual harassment.

      Sorry ladies at work you have to wear a suit, flat shoes and no make-up exactly the same way men do. Let's see how that goes down with women.

      Additionally women only have a limited time to get their shit together if they want to have a family - that's a real well thought out "pro-woman" policy you've got there Intel.

      See? *Employees*. Not slaves, not serfs, not minions.

      Exactly.

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    39. Re: FTFT by jittles · · Score: 1

      He is CEO of the company. He has oversight over every single employee. There is no way for there to be a “consensual” relationship in this case unless his sexual partner also founded the company with him.

      This thinking is just plain naive. If the underling is the one who pursues the CEO, not the other way around, how is the CEO forcing him/herself on the other? If the underling instigates a sexual encounter of their own volition it may be considered bad judgment for the CEO to go along with it, but there's no way you can claim that the one instigating the encounter is not consenting.

      Your thinking is naive. The CEO cannot have a relationship with any subordinate without it causing problems. What happens if the subordinate loses interest in the CEO but feels like s/he is forced into continuing a sexual relationship to keep their job? There can be a point where consent ends but at that point it becomes difficult for the person to indicate they do not consent without causing themselves problems at work.

    40. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We should say large can of worms? Small bag of snakes? Cell phone full of dick pix? Who the heck makes up the new stuff, anyway? Certainly not science

    41. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And of course, even the tech news aims for the low hanging fruit: the security problems of their CPU from Specter and consensual problems of their CEO.

    42. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey dude, we often dress up not for your benefit but because thatâ(TM)s what we do. Maybe we are interested in the barista on the way to the office or someone we see outside at lunch. Either way, itâ(TM)s awesome that you assume itâ(TM)s all about you...because I doubt it is.

      The point that it is consensual nullifies a lot of my concerns honestly, assuming that is so. It also invalidates all the schmucky harassment crap that floats around in offices that is tougher to have HR pursue. Donâ(TM)t believe me? Ask most women how many creepy coworkers and managers theyâ(TM)ve dealt with

    43. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um the same wife he met while she worked for him at Intel? Really, I think sheâ(TM)d be familiar with the scenario.

    44. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, so? That is your choice. Some people like to fuck themselves to the top, which I can only applaud.

      No one is forcing you to have a *ongoing relation* with anyone. Fuck metoo.

    45. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sexual signaling because we wear dresses or makeup? Truly I bet most of the women you work with have absolutely no interest in what you think. We grow up wanting to look good and yes that means we pay attention to clothes and makeup. It isnâ(TM)t code to you, thereâ(TM)s no signal. Itâ(TM)s tupically a woman who wants to look her best not lure you into her web.

    46. Re: FTFT by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Sure, same reason I work out, drive a nice car and wear nice clothes. My point is not about women do, I've got not problem with that. What I have a problem with is a company dictating interpersonal relationships between people.

      That's a problem for men and women.

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    47. Re: FTFT by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Hey dude, we often dress up not for your benefit but because thatâ(TM)s what we do. Maybe we are interested in the barista on the way to the office or someone we see outside at lunch.

      When I wear a suit, tie, a nice watch and shiney shoes, I don't do it because I'm looking to pick up. I do it because I mean business. I don't buy a nice car to impress you, I do it to impress myself. It's still signaling.

      Either way, itâ(TM)s awesome that you assume itâ(TM)s all about you...because I doubt it is.

      That doesn't change that you are sexually signally. That's like saying the light from a light house is only for certain ships, the rest of them should just ignore the signal. Just because I ignore your sexual signalling doesn't mean you aren't sexually signalling, it means I'm not interested in you.

      The point that it is consensual nullifies a lot of my concerns honestly, assuming that is so. It also invalidates all the schmucky harassment crap that floats around in offices that is tougher to have HR pursue.

      So basically men should not approach women at all. Should men write a letter or something equally lame. I've got news for you, once you're past 30 it's women that get rejected by men. Your looks don't matter and if you've been relying on that then chances are you aren't much of a person that a decent man is going to be attracted to. Spend some time cultivating a decent personality.

      The shitty way you treated guys while you were in your brief sexual prime will be reflected in all the sleazy men that decide to use you. Feel free to mod me down if that shatters your false reality.

      Ask most women how many creepy coworkers and managers theyâ(TM)ve dealt with

      Ask most men how many crazy hormonal women they've had to deal with.

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    48. Re: FTFT by mentil · · Score: 1

      The real problem is that bosses can make their underlings' lives hell, arbitrarily. Forget getting on their bad side due to your own actions, they could just not like your ethnicity/sex/whatever.

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    49. Re: FTFT by mentil · · Score: 1

      Or they only met up anonymously.

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    50. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      once you're past 30 it's women that get rejected by men. Your looks don't matter

      Well, check out the 'uuge chronic spermotoxicosis cognitive dissonance of Mr. Kaos. You're one desperate motherfucker, that's right!

    51. Re: FTFT by Megol · · Score: 1

      Now that's just dumb.

    52. Re: FTFT by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Well, check out the 'uuge chronic spermotoxicosis cognitive dissonance of Mr. Kaos.

      I think your comment is a really good example of why these type of policies are bad. Your toxic femininity shows you're prepared to take a man down who has worked for something you think you're entitled to. When you don't get your way you have a tantrum.

      You're one desperate motherfucker, that's right!

      Sure, I'll ask my decent, educated, attractive, hardworking, polite, kind, considerate and smart wife over dinner. I think your problem is you think feminism is about getting even, instead of being equal. No wonder other women can't stand you.

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    53. Re: FTFT by jittles · · Score: 1

      Or they only met up anonymously.

      Are you claiming you would not KNOW your CEO by sight the second you saw them? Very unlikely. The CEO may not know everyone under him. In that case, the second he finds out it is a subordinate he had better start notifying legal and finding a way to mitigate the situation.

    54. Re: FTFT by jittles · · Score: 1

      Now that's just dumb.

      The fact that you consider it dumb does not make it any less valid. But I am telling you right now that a jury would be quite sympathetic to the employee and not very sympathetic to the CEO if s/he claimed they felt obligated to have sex with the CEO in order to maintain employment.

    55. Re:FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either the relationship ended badly from the viewpoint of the lower ranking person, or they were otherwise caught and about to be outed, or the company has some other reason to get rid of the CEO that they don't want to admit.

      First rule of executive lying: Admit to a lie that hurts you less than the truth.

    56. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he just has a long dick

    57. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I sure as hell wouldnâ(TM)t, I donâ(TM)t interact with our CEO in any way. Shit, I donâ(TM)t even know which of our offices they work in.

    58. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What really matters is that heterosexuality should be illegal. Period. Be queer or be abstinent. Or be happy losing your job is all you suffer.

      #MeToo

    59. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the mind of an Imperial Progressive, we're all already serfs.

    60. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why not make THAT prohibited, instead of banning love?

    61. Re: FTFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      May be the employee got extra benefits from this relationship. In these cases, there is no report, but exchange of goods.

  3. sure, guy by VMaN · · Score: 2

    "that all employees will respect Intel's values and adhere to the company's code of conduct,"

    How exactly does not adhering to the company's code of conduct show that?

    1. Re:sure, guy by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      The fact he was forced to resign shows it. If the employee was not complaining about harassment then a lot of places would have ignored it.

    2. Re:sure, guy by psycho12345 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because they abided by it, including the spelled out consequences of violating it, even if it is the CEO.

    3. Re:sure, guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "that all employees will respect Intel's values and adhere to the company's code of conduct,"

      How exactly does not adhering to the company's code of conduct show that?

      When an employee failed to adhere to it, he was no longer allowed to be an employee.

    4. Re:sure, guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "that all employees will respect Intel's values and adhere to the company's code of conduct,"

      How exactly does not adhering to the company's code of conduct show that?

      Well, he didn't adhere the the code of conduct, and now he's not an employee ;-)

    5. Re:sure, guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The employee obviously was complaining. Do the math here.

      It's much more likely it was not consensual and that story would have been murder to Intel. So they give this woman a big ol payout under the table to shut up and give their CEO an honorable discharge.

    6. Re:sure, guy by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Given the current month that it is and the Rainbow Flag flying at Intel Campuses, what makes you think it is a woman?

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    7. Re:sure, guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probability and statistics. Unless you happen to have a reason to suggest that CEOs are disproportionately gay/bixsexual compared to the general population.

    8. Re:sure, guy by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Given the recent widespread corporate support politically, it sure appears so. For them to insult 97% of their customers in favor of the 3%, something is certainly going on.

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    9. Re:sure, guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      After they were caught violating it?

    10. Re:sure, guy by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      The employee obviously was complaining. Do the math here.

      No, not obviously. If one of that employee's coworkers didn't get a promotion, that person might assume that Intel's stack ranking, combined with favoritism for the employee in question, were the problem, and might have complained to HR.

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    11. Re:sure, guy by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I've worked places where women actively chased management. One office was nicknamed "Peyton Place."

  4. Well, that sure leaked quick by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

    Complete with quotes from the original e-mail sent out to employees at 6:15am PDT. Within 20 minutes, was on slashdot.

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    1. Re:Well, that sure leaked quick by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What time is that in American, summer time?

    2. Re:Well, that sure leaked quick by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1
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  5. First rule of business ... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its is funny how so many C-Level execs forget the FIRST rule of business:

    NEVER mix business and pleasure.

    There is a reason people set boundaries -- so they (almost) never have to worry about the two interfering. Of course it doesn't 100% prevent getting fucked over but it could always be worse if you are "involved."

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    1. Re:First rule of business ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The first(and only) rule of business is profit.

    2. Re: First rule of business ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      In today's hyper sensitive climate, the only rational move seems to be to treat everyone in a dispassionate, robotic fashion.

      Consenting adults should be left the fuck alone. Corporations shouldn't be responsible for the behavior of consenting adults, nor should they be penalizing it, either.

      We're monkeys. We're constantly horny, with millions of years of hard wired instinct chittering away during every interaction with every other human being we encounter. Our instincts scream at us to fuck, fight, or flee during the first 20 seconds after meeting anyone new.

      If the two had a mutually agreeable, consensual relationship, then the company has no good reason to take any action. Companies and workplaces need to step away from preemptive interference with human relationships.

      Explicit harassment, abuse of power, and so on are terrible things. Preventing liability through artificial constraints on base human instincts is a shit way to manage a company. Make allowances for rational adults. It's absurd that this guy has to lose his job over sex, especially if nobody was hurt.

    3. Re: First rule of business ... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3

      Mod parent up -- I will add to their statements that US culture is far too prudish in all respects.

    4. Re:First rule of business ... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Actually there are two rules of business and profit is #2.

      Add cash flow to the top of your list. Profit is a strong #2, but cash flow is king. You won't survive to make a profit if you don't have the cash flow. Because of this, the #1 killer of businesses is lack of cash flow, not lack of profit. Think about it this way, cash flow is air, profit is food, you will die a lot sooner without air than you will without food. Then consider that as long as you have air to breath you have time to find some food.

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    5. Re:First rule of business ... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2
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    6. Re: First rule of business ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In today's hyper sensitive climate, the only rational move seems to be to treat everyone in a dispassionate, robotic fashion.

      Consenting adults should be left the fuck alone. Corporations shouldn't be responsible for the behavior of consenting adults, nor should they be penalizing it, either.

      We're monkeys. We're constantly horny, with millions of years of hard wired instinct chittering away during every interaction with every other human being we encounter. Our instincts scream at us to fuck, fight, or flee during the first 20 seconds after meeting anyone new.

      If the two had a mutually agreeable, consensual relationship, then the company has no good reason to take any action. Companies and workplaces need to step away from preemptive interference with human relationships.

      Explicit harassment, abuse of power, and so on are terrible things. Preventing liability through artificial constraints on base human instincts is a shit way to manage a company. Make allowances for rational adults. It's absurd that this guy has to lose his job over sex, especially if nobody was hurt.

      Most companies (I don't know the details of Intel's policy) only prohibit relationships when there's a direct reporting relationship. You can't date your boss, or any of his/her bosses. That's perfectly reasonable. If I'm going up for a promotion against someone who's dating the boss, how fair is that going to be? Even if the boss tries his/her absolute best to be fair and impartial, you just pointed out that we're monkeys. Our brains don't work that way. As the CEO, you're pretty much everyone's boss. There's no way you can have a relationship with an employee without it either being unfair or at the very least being perceived as unfair. Yes, we're monkeys. Yes, some people are going to violate the policy. If they get caught, they deal with the consequences like a good little monkey.

    7. Re: First rule of business ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could understand if they were fucking on his desk or during working hours. If it was a normal, consensual relationship then what they do on their own time is their business and not their employers. Considering how hard it is to date and how many hours people spend at work it's likely you will find someone to date at work. And what's the big deal anyhow.

      Corporations love to talk about team building and other crap like that. It maybe makes things better at work.

    8. Re: First rule of business ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Life isn't fair. It's funny: the USA works damn hard to maintain the appearance of fairness while jailing people en masse.

    9. Re: First rule of business ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agreed, but this is NOT an example of prudery.
      Sex without consent is one of the worst kinds of violations. It is not prudery to insist that 100% of sexual contact must be consensual, and this consent must always be perfectly clear.
      Power imbalances such as that between a manager and subordinate will necessarily compromise that clarity.
      That's not prudery.

    10. Re: First rule of business ... by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      I've worked at companies where they don't prohibit these kinds of relationships per se, but it IS up to you to report to your boss or HR that you're in a relationship with someone else so they can make sure nothing untoward is happening.

      Ironically, I think zero-tolerance policies like Intel's are exactly what cause problems. When you have no way to do things on the up-and-up, people will be exploited in secret, and won't report bad behaviour for fear of retribution. There's no real way to keep this kind of thing secret forever, so why not be a little more up front about it and just head things off at the pass?

    11. Re: First rule of business ... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      CEO might be mortgaged to the hilt, employee might have a paid-off home and rental property. You can't always judge who's more free and who has more power based on title. Blanket policies are bad. Zero tolerance = zero thought.

    12. Re: First rule of business ... by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      "Preventing liability through artificial constraints on base human instincts is a shit way to manage a company. " ...and yet this is the best that a sociopathic monkey can manage. Welcome to Earth.

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    13. Re: First rule of business ... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know exactly what Intel's policy is? For example, if you did decided you wanted to have a relationship could you request a transfer to put enough distance between the two of you to avoid it being a problem?

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    14. Re: First rule of business ... by greenwow · · Score: 3, Informative

      > US culture

      We recently in 2010 started hiring employees in Caracas, Venezuela. They are shockingly non-PC. Locally here in Seattle, we fired a male employee for wearing "dad" shorts too far above his knees. Later we had to let a woman go because she wore tank tops to work. We had a group of women threaten to quit and vandalize the office because we didn't fire tank top woman the first time they asked. In our VZ office, there's pictures of women in lingerie on the wall and a couple of the women have showed-up back from lunch in bikini tops. Completely different culture.

    15. Re: First rule of business ... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Other women wanted tank top lady fired? Why didn't they all just dress comfortably and enjoy the loose discipline? Also, how can a US firm do business in Caracas without being sanctioned and/or expropriated? (!)

    16. Re: First rule of business ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sigh, Seattle. I'm sitting between two workers wearing T-shirts that are probably older than me with stains and a few holes, but I got called out for a blouse that was too see through. I was wearing a camisole under it so it's not like it was obscene.

    17. Re:First rule of business ... by sandoval88419 · · Score: 1

      In France they have a saying: no zob* in job

      *zob is a colloquial word for penis ;-)

    18. Re: First rule of business ... by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      How do you know the CEO's fuckbuddy was not getting preferential treatment, or payouts from the corporate piggybank to keep quiet, or a threat of losing their job if they go public?

      In business, if something looks unethical, you have to treat it as being unethical. It is even worse for a publicly traded company. "Don't worry, they are consenting adults" does nothing to quash rumors that murder stock prices.

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    19. Re: First rule of business ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Said like an incel that has never had a relationship much less fucked someone. Try working with a domestic partner every day then dealing with them when you are at home.

    20. Re: First rule of business ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They didn't want her fired because she wore a tank top. They wanted her fired because she looked good, better than they would, while wearing a tank top.

    21. Re: First rule of business ... by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      The other women threatened to quit and vandalize the office and you didn't fire them?!

    22. Re: First rule of business ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      CEO might be mortgaged to the hilt, employee might have a paid-off home and rental property. You can't always judge who's more free and who has more power based on title. Blanket policies are bad. Zero tolerance = zero thought.

      Actually, you absolutely can judge who has more power in a business by a title, especially a c-level title. The CEO of a company has the power to terminate basically any employee regardless of their personal debt situation. Now it might be harder to fire another c-level but even then the CEO will usually win out. Only the board has more power as they can remove the CEO. Money plays no role at all here and it's weird you think personal wealth is what determines power at a company. The concern is not about who's more "powerful" in their personal relationship. If they want to have a consensual relationship now that he's resigned that should be completely fine too.

    23. Re: First rule of business ... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      I'm not weird at all -- an employer's power over an employee depends on how much the employee needs the job and/or the company. If the employee is well set-up in life, the employer has next to no power over them.

    24. Re: First rule of business ... by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      This guy is married to someone else. I doubt they care a whole lot about whether it made things better at work. Plus this is the CEO, which means lots of money is in play. No company wants to be on the hook during divorce proceedings for a lawsuit for contributing to alienation of affection. Plus if you have a policy, know it's being violated it also opens you up to lawsuits by other employees.

    25. Re: First rule of business ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hysterical stuff on MY /. about sensitivity and large genaralizations?

      Well I never

    26. Re: First rule of business ... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      If they have a consensual relationship there is still a problem. Let's say they were married and have kids, nothing to be prodish about, there are still minefields to manage at work. Will people play favorites with their spouse at work or will they do what's in the business's best interests instead?

      For example, will a person promote the spouse ahead of others in the team? Don't automatically say no, there are far too many cases where this actually happens, and is one of the primary reasons businesses won't let someone work within their spouse's command chain.

    27. Re:First rule of business ... by johanw · · Score: 1

      By Odin and Thor, that's not true. Now get out with this evil import-Jaweh from the middle east.

    28. Re: First rule of business ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it sounds like you work in an oppressive environment. If a woman was showing leg no one bats and eye, but when a guy does it its offensive?

    29. Re: First rule of business ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is Seattle. Males there are so lonely they can see all the way down to your extra X chromosome no matter what you wear.

    30. Re: First rule of business ... by mentil · · Score: 1

      "Juliet, I'd love to be with you, but the Market Movers would kill me!" - Romeo & Juliet 2018 Edition

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      Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
    31. Re: First rule of business ... by Kartu · · Score: 1

      Other women wanted tank top lady fired? Why didn't they all just dress comfortably and enjoy the loose discipline? Also, how can a US firm do business in Caracas without being sanctioned and/or expropriated? (!)

      Mean Girls: Provocative Clothing Leads to Intra-Sexual Competition between Females

    32. Re:First rule of business ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Atheist, noun, a spiritual blind man arguing there is no such thing as color.

      Let me fix that for you:
      Atheist, noun, a spiritually sighted person trying to explain color to the willfully blind.

    33. Re: First rule of business ... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I think you just assumed gender.

      A see-through blouse with a camisole underneath is considered professional attire at companies I've worked for. It may well be an attractive looking garment, particularly when worn by certain body shapes, but that doesn't make it unprofessional.

      Shit, women wear camisoles under a suit jacket with no blouse at all.

      Where the dress code permits t-shirts with holes worn in them too? Actually, you're right: It sounds like a company incapable of controlling its male staff and using a dress code to remove things they may find attractive.

      The answer still isn't the stupid dress code.

    34. Re: First rule of business ... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      There is a simple response to that situation: https://metro.co.uk/2018/06/13...

  6. Non fratzernization ? by stooo · · Score: 1

    >> non-fraternization policy
    Non fratzernization ? What's this kind of BS ?

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    1. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Funny

      C level execs can't chill with the employees. They might accidentally develop human feelings that might cause them to view their employees as people and not just cogs in the machine. Next thing you know, they might start treating them with compassion, and you know that's no good for the shareholders!

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    2. Re:Non fratzernization ? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It wasn't enough that capitalism allows (virtually requires) people to surrender their freedom for 1/3+ of the day in exchange for food, the corporations want to extend their control outside normal working hours into employees' private lives as well. In some places they're allowed to do so.

      If some overlord telling people they have to sit at a desk whether or not there's work to be done doesn't give you pause, the same overlord telling them who they may or may not see socially outside of working hours really should.

    3. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Its more about protecting the company from harassment lawsuits.

    4. Re:Non fratzernization ? by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Informative

      >> non-fraternization policy Non fratzernization ? What's this kind of BS ?

      Well known to any military.

      Officers can't socialize with enlisted. (And, possibly, senior enlisted can't socialize with junior enlisted.)

      It's detrimental to good order and discipline. Either you end up giving/getting special treatment - intentionally or not - or else others think you do, are suspicious that you are, etc.

    5. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Which can only have meaning if the company views its employees as cattle in the first place.

    6. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the other option is get rid of all the lawyers. That's got my vote.

    7. Re:Non fratzernization ? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      That doesn't make it right. If a company covers up harassment, they should absolutely be liable. If a company acts responsibly and discloses any harassment complaints to the police, then they shouldn't be.

      Corporations taking it upon themselves to investigate employees for things not related to the job, judge, convict, and punish them, is also wrong.

    8. Re:Non fratzernization ? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 2

      Fortunately, private life isn't the military -- employees shouldn't be treated like soldiers.

    9. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      capitalism allows (virtually requires) people to surrender their freedom for 1/3+ of the day in exchange for food

      As opposed to some system which doesn't?

    10. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corporations taking it upon themselves to investigate employees for things not related to the job, judge, convict, and punish them, is also wrong.

      Blame feminism in government. It's easier to punish wrongthink outside the formal judicial system, without that pesky "due process" (see also, Title IX "courts" at colleges). And so, we get laws requiring companies, colleges, etc. to take measures like these, or be sued into oblivion.

    11. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll vote for that.

    12. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah well, once we have our AI and labor-automation technologies stabilized, most of the need for human labor will be eliminated. At that point we will have a system that doesn't require most people to spend a third of their lives working.

      But for now, a system that only requires 1/3 is doing pretty well.

    13. Re:Non fratzernization ? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      This is modded funny but it is probably true to some extent. Like the elite punishing one of their own for straying from the gene pool. Not unheard of.

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    14. Re:Non fratzernization ? by datavirtue · · Score: 3, Interesting

      " 'code of conduct' gets developed at a large company in order to treat employees more or less equally,"

      Incorrect. It is a rule made by sociopaths to maintain control. Upper management rarely thinks in terms of culture, fairness, and compassion. Even more rare when dealing with the company.

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    15. Re:Non fratzernization ? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Except that previous to agriculture and the resultant city states (later culminating into nations with nuclear weapons) humans were free--working very little and always on an ideal schedule. Yay...a bunch of us can live at once! What could go wrong?

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    16. Re:Non fratzernization ? by larryjoe · · Score: 4, Informative

      Fortunately, private life isn't the military -- employees shouldn't be treated like soldiers.

      But the exact same underlying implied and always existing possibility of coercion exists. That's the problem. There is no way to eliminate the thought of possible retaliation from the mind of the underling, and therefore true consensuality is impossible.

    17. Re:Non fratzernization ? by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Businesses are not the military. I think a lot of people, especially those programmed to live within the hierarchy of command just take it for granted that the military forms and conduct somehow extend to civilian life and companies. They think in terms of this hierarchy as a form of nature. Perhaps it is. As soon as people started growing crops and the population increased in the bronze age we started fighting like crazy and haven't really stopped.

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    18. Re:Non fratzernization ? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Theoretically, any relationship has the possibility of retaliation. Live with someone? One person often owns the house. There is no such thing as "true consent" if you nit-pick and dig deep enough.

    19. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In other words: capitalism doesn't care what you do on your off-time. Unless, that is, it's forced to care by a busybody legal system and government.

    20. Re:Non fratzernization ? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Why is that modded flaimbait?

      In the EU such a "code of conduct" would be in most cases illegal, not sure if there are exceptions like a CEO having a relationship with one directly under his command.

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    21. Re:Non fratzernization ? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Oh the poor executives. How will they ever get by without having employees as friends? All they have is their 7 or 8 figure compensation packages. Maybe they can buy a friend for a million or so.

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    22. Re:Non fratzernization ? by psycho12345 · · Score: 1

      The key difference is explicit vs implicit consent. When living with someone, people often are explicitly consenting, in the form of a lease (if renting from the owner), or title (whose name is on it, can be joint).

      With relationships between members in any hierarchy, the implied consent of the relationship betrays the explicit consent everyone else has with the superior.

      And yes, there is always the possibility of retaliation, the main evolution of man has been to make such retaliation expensive as to not pursue it.

    23. Re:Non fratzernization ? by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      People play favorites -- deal with it. The answer shouldn't be more "zero tolerance" nonsense.

    24. Re:Non fratzernization ? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Not just coercion but special treatment and danger to the company if the relationship falls apart. This type of interaction between managers and subordinates almost always leads to bad things happening to everyone involved including the company.

    25. Re:Non fratzernization ? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      In every job I have held, even when I was a TA in grad school, there has been a hard rule that you cannot have a relationship with someone you have authority over. The conflicts of interest are massive on both sides and there is no way there cannot be sexual harassment in that situation.

    26. Re:Non fratzernization ? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      You think it's somehow a restraint of the capitalist impulse to allow management to extort sex from their employees over threat of dismissal?

    27. Re:Non fratzernization ? by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      And so you have the reason marriage was invented. A contract by which ownership is divided between two people so that one does not (theoretically) have power over the other.

    28. Re:Non fratzernization ? by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      Humans are a social animal. Social animals are almost always hierarchical. Hierarchy works in most situations. Even highly democratic societies (such as the ancient Roman and Greek republics) typically elected leaders when threatened and imposed hierarchical structures on themselves.

      When you have hierarchy built in to the culture if you don't want it to become a dictatorship then you need checks and balances. Non-fraternization rules are a check against bosses and managers exploiting their positions to force workers to prostitute themselves to keep their jobs.

    29. Re:Non fratzernization ? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      Businesses are not the military.

      No, but they can be run like one. You don't have to work for that company.

      The rules are put in place for a reason, they are not just about control even if they do come off that way. This particular rule is about avoiding the HR nightmare and morale hit that is favoritism even if it is only just perceived favoritism. It could cost the company a lot of money if employee morale takes a dive due to toxic work conditions resulting from real or perceived favoritism.

      Oddly, nepotism isn't regarded as unfavorably even though it is flagrantly unfair in almost all incarnations.

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    30. Re:Non fratzernization ? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Well known to any military.

      Especially the US military where they simply sexually assault their way around. Hard to say you were in a relationship when it's non consensual, amirite?

      And before someone asks for sources just remember sexual assault in the US military has a full wikipedia page assigned to it.

    31. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it is not so much to 'maintain control' as it is to cover their assess for legal liability. When the lawyers ask "Did you have a policy?" then can say, "Yes, see, it says right there 'No fucking the employees'".

    32. Re:Non fratzernization ? by bingoUV · · Score: 1

      Yes, but companies don't say people play favorites in their companies. Companies say that higher management has favorites in lower management, or lowest level workers.

      So companies say there is a "zero tolerance" , wink wink, towards suspected / alleged favoritism. Clearly there was no real zero tolerance about it at Intel - because this relationship ran for a while. Occasionally, this falsehood surfaces and needs to be "managed". This was a case of the "management" of the falsehood resulting in a CEO resigning. A price one has to pay for saying things one doesn't mean.

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    33. Re: Non fratzernization ? by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      It's true. They all rode around on unicorns too. Ah, the good old days.

    34. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Luthair · · Score: 1

      Its not about covering up harassment, it allows them to fire people and circumvent the entire conversation.

    35. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's _very_ true. That is why there is an executive class and a working class. Don't get friendly because you may have to fire them; or even many of them in a down turn.

      Same in the army. You are not allowed to even be friendly with the anyone in the other class (sexually or otherwise). A captain may have to order a group of soldiers to their death.

    36. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Really? My understanding in the UK is that companies can have and enforce a policy that office relationships are not permitted.

      Very few companies would even try, but I would expect most to have a policy regarding relationships between managers and the reporting line underneath them.

      It's necessary to protect the company, and so it's good business sense. That it also protects both parties within a potential relationship is a bonus.

      Enforcing the policy unevenly could be actionable, as (e.g.) always sacking a man and never a woman (or vice versa) would be illegal on the grounds of sexual discrimination, but I don't think the policy itself would be illegal.

    37. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      That's a really fucked up view of marriage.

      In the US marriage gives the women all of the power.
      In Islamic states marriage gives the men all of the power.

      Almost nowhere does marriage give both partners a power balance.

    38. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      There are two million people in the US military or its reserve.

      Find me any general population of two million people that has no sexual assault, and stop being an acerbic cunt trying to imply the US military is some special case.

    39. Re:Non fratzernization ? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Find me any general population of two million people that has no sexual assault

      Oh your military is a general population? I thought they were specially trained to follow rules and be able to concentrate on the task at hand rather than let their mind wander to raping mode. I thought the military was full of American citizens rather than those rapey mooslims and dirty mexican prostitution trafficers who get blamed for all the sexual assault in the "general population".

      But I'll bite anyway, because the problem is not so much that sexual assault happens, it's that the victims of it are the ones who end up dishonourably discharged, stripped of their titles and pensions. Even the dirty general population doesn't stoop that low.

      The general population also doesn't sexually assault 1 in 4 women, and doesn't sexually harass the overwhelming majority of them.

      Also on behalf of everyone FUCK YOU for excusing the practice and turning a blind eye .

    40. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Most people don't associate rape with 'mooslims' or 'dirty mexican prostitution trafficers'. What sort of cunt are you to suggest that?

      Incidentally it's not 'my' military. It's the US military and trust me, I criticise them plenty anyway.

      I'm also aware that they're rather less rapey than a lot of soldiers. Ask the German women in Berlin whether they'd have preferred to be conquered by US or Russian forces (the answer obviously is British, but hey, we're not talking about the finest armed forces on the planet here, we're discussing America).

      Incidentally if you really want to get upset about a population suffering high volumes of sexual assaults try the US prison system. Almost five times the rate of sexual assaults of the US military.

    41. Re:Non fratzernization ? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      In Germany about 40% of all marriages happen to couples that met in the same company.

      Anyway, I never worked in a company that even tried to attempt such a policy. How the funk would they do that? Write it in the work contract? That definitely illegal.

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    42. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      The work contract includes 'comply with corporate policies'. Corporate policy is "don't fuck your subordinates".

      Perfectly legal.

    43. Re:Non fratzernization ? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I'm also aware that they're rather less rapey than a lot of soldiers.

      Cool, from ignoring the problem to excusing it because worse people are around.

      I repeat: FUCK YOU for dismissing problems.

    44. Re:Non fratzernization ? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Nope, it is regulated what might be in a work contract.

      And fucking with a coworker is basic human right (e.g. article 12 UN charter, or Article 2 and 6 of the German constitution), it can only be restricted under rare circumstances. And a subordinate is not automatically such a case. It would/could be if it is a minor (16-17) which whom you legally could have sex, but not as a teacher or superior or any other supervisor (or e.g. in a Church).

      And if it would become public that a german or french or spanish company would try something like this they would be the laugh of the nation(s).

      I actually never have been at a company that had _any company policy_ except for their "spirit building" and "team building" mottos. OTOH I work mostly as contractor and would probably not see anything like that. I only have to sign security papers and "I don't spill secrets or personal data" papers or "don't let people into the building who have no code card, guide them to the clerk at the entrance", stuff like this.

      But the topic is interesting, I will ask around what other people, who are full time employees, know about the topic.

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    45. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      German law may well be different. It's not EU law though, or the UK wouldn't allow such policies.

      As for companies having policies, it's ubiquitous in the UK and the US. Many reasons for that, with benefits for staff, the company, its shareholders, its customers and the general public.

    46. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Man complaining about sexual assault demands twice non-consensual sex from another person.

      Forget the military, try fixing yourself first.

    47. Re:Non fratzernization ? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Man complaining about sexual assault demands twice non-consensual sex from another person.

      Wow you don't know what fuck you means. That's quite impressive.

      Fuck you.

    48. Re:Non fratzernization ? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      There is no benefit for anyone if you have a policy that does not allow a relationship between two employees of the same company, regardless if the policy is enforceable or not.

      If I would be employed in such a company, I would not care about the policy.

      If they fire me, or my spouse, I would go to court and demand reemployment (which I most certainly would win in any DE court and most EU courts). And after they have reemployed me and made a new contract about gracefully leaving the company, and a compensation, then: I would sue them again for libel, slander and insults to the dignity of myself and my spouse that they dare to imply that my personal love life/family life has any influence on my or her professionalism.

      How would it be possible under such "policies" that a spouse applies to a job position in a company were her/his significant other is working? That is another basic right in most of the EU: I can apply, and work where ever I want. If I applied for a job in a big company, which has such a policy, and they reject me AND are so stupid to write as cause of rejection: "sorry you are married to an employer we already have, that is against our policy" that would again be an open invitation for another court case.

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    49. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Welcome to how businesses work in countries with ethics.

      It might be your right to employ your spouse but it's unethical and in the UK it's legal to stop you.

    50. Re:Non fratzernization ? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      It is not unethical.
      Why the funk would it?

      and in the UK it's legal to stop you. I doubt that :D

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    51. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      It is not unethical.
      Why the funk would it?

      See all the other posts here talking about conflicts of interest, unfairness to other employees, post-relationship challenges and other ethical issues. I can't be arsed repeating them all here.

      I doubt that :D

      Doubt it all you like. Unless you can show me the UK law that disallows such a policy I'll continue to believe the multiple companies for which I've worked that have had such a policy.

    52. Re:Non fratzernization ? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      As I saif before: implying that either my spouse or I have not enough professionalism to have "no conflict of interest" is slander.

      It is unethical to promote your spouse because s/he is your spouse. It is not unethical to work in the same team/hierachy as peers, or as inferiour or superiour. And it is not unethical to promote her/him because s/he is the best for the job, either!

      Unless something unethical is happening, there is no reason to interfere, neither by action nor by imposing a policy. And if something unethical is happening: you fire both, for conspiring against the interests of the company/of their employer.

      Unless you can show me the UK law that disallows such a policy I'll continue to believe the multiple companies for which I've worked that have had such a policy. Would be easier for both of us if you could find some examples :D

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    53. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      As I saif before: implying that either my spouse or I have not enough professionalism to have "no conflict of interest" is slander.

      It is not professional to put yourself in a position in which you have a conflict of interest, whether you would act on that interest or not.

      I do believe that you have yourself just confirmed you lack professional integrity, no slander was required.

      It is unethical to promote your spouse because s/he is your spouse. It is not unethical to work in the same team/hierachy as peers, or as inferiour or superiour. And it is not unethical to promote her/him because s/he is the best for the job, either!

      Unless something unethical is happening, there is no reason to interfere

      You've also just proven you do not understand professional ethics, again with no slander required.

      Would be easier for both of us if you could find some examples :D

      My professional ethics prevent me from posting internal corporate policies on the internet and it's rather hard to prove that a law doesn't exist. Hence suggesting you prove that it does, by simply naming it.

    54. Re:Non fratzernization ? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I already posted the relevant articles of the charter of human rights and the relevant articles of the german constitution, which obviously does not apply in the UK.

      It is not professional to put yourself in a position in which you have a conflict of interest, whether you would act on that interest or not.
      There is no conflict of interest to work together with your significant other in the same team or project. Assuming that is ... well, I told you what I think about that :D

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    55. Re:Non fratzernization ? by Cederic · · Score: 1

      There is a conflict of interest. The conflict exists, even if you choose not to favour your partner. This may be an English to German translation issue, but the interests of your partner and of your employer do not align and are thus in conflict.

      There is also the appearance of impropriety, which continues to exist even when you and your partner behave in an otherwise professional manner. That appearance alone can be destructive to a team and to reputations.

    56. Re:Non fratzernization ? by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      Nearly all behavior in the military would be considered offensive to civilians because civilians are cocksuckers.
      The problem in the military is that by the time your sexual assault has happened you've already witnessed that the UCMJ operates on a sliding scale according to rank. Civilians are supposed to provide oversight to the military but they get distracted by all the dickslapping and foul language and come up with stupid "teach them not to rape seminars".

    57. Re:Non fratzernization ? by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      It would be better for good order and discipline if Officers were banned from existing. It would solve the fraternization problem quick.

    58. Re:Non fratzernization ? by i286NiNJA · · Score: 1

      But.... it needs to be better and it won't be for a long time, everyone calling their hands dickskinners, or classics like "suzy rottencrotch" which now has a male counterpart in these days of equality "peter pus prick". The sort of people who the government hires to try and correct military social issues aren't the kind of people who could ever look past things like that and get to real issues. Sexual assaults, assaults, corruption, etc. You'll never stop someone from getting analy fisted if you spend all your time and political capital worrying about microaggressions, fart rapes, and demeaning sexual slurs.

      It's the military every waking moment is a microaggression until you're e-6 at least. Having a fresh insult hurled your way might be the only joy some enlisted people get all day. You might as well ignore the problem because it's not changing until the political climate in washinton changes.
      It could change.. the military is fantastically disciplined and adaptable. Gays went from being controversial to fully accepted pretty much right after the repeal of DADT, you can throw rocks at us soldiers and they won't retaliate without permission. It's not the military's fault here it's the civilian cocksuckers and the respected officers glued to their cocks.

    59. Re:Non fratzernization ? by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Of course the interest of my partner and me and our employer does align.
      You simply assume that there are conflicts were there are none.

      There is also the appearance of impropriety, which continues to exist even when you and your partner behave in an otherwise professional manner.
      Strange that most countries workers see that different.

      This "conflict of interest thing" seems to be an anglo saxon thing. As I said in other answers: it is pretty common that people meet at work and marry, about 30% of the German couples meet at work. It is pretty common that married couples work in the same organization and even close to each other. Prime example: schools where both are teachers, hospitals where one is a doctor and one a nurser.

      That appearance alone can be destructive to a team and to reputations. If it is abused. And if it is abused it is prosecuted anyway.

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  7. Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intel just keeps falling and falling deeper into the same gutter it shits into.
    The guy will not lose much since his CV of working at Intel will produce job offers from less retarded businesses on its own basis, while he can form his own enterprise too given built up experience, maybe even as a watchdog surveying Intel and creating articles that shed light on their strategies and actions via some publication sites.
    Intel however has lost more of its clout by putting itself on the opposite side of Humanism.

  8. Why is he not in jail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Abusing women like this happens constantly in business. She couldn't say no, or that man would have destroyed her life. Even Bill Clinton faced consequences for making an intern do something. In this case, the CEO made the poor woman do even more. The details are disturbing. He made her do something we don't want to do.

    1. Re:Why is he not in jail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      her position beneath him

      HIIIIYYYYOOOO!!!

    2. Re: Why is he not in jail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He just lost his job, doesn't exactly scream power. The code of conduct seems to be working just fine.. unless they knew about this for ages, and only decided to act now due to underperforming in his role as CEO

    3. Re:Why is he not in jail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're wrong about Bill Clinton's case. She seduced him. He was impeached for what an intern did.

    4. Re:Why is he not in jail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She couldn't say no.

      You can always say no. Why does everyone assume that women have no spine? Losing your job doesn't destroy your life, especially if it was lost under circumstances that allow for suing the hell of the company.

    5. Re:Why is he not in jail? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He made her do something we don't want to do.

      Speak for yourself bucko! :)

    6. Re:Why is he not in jail? by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      He was impeached because he lied under oath. I never understood why he did. By that time he was already in his second term. He could have told the truth and no one could have done anything to him, except wag their finger. Stooping an intern is neither a high crime nor misdemeanor. A president can't be impeached for such an action. He probably can't even be sued over it, at least not until he's out of office. Was he afraid of looking bad? He certainly couldn't have been worried about Hillary. She had covered before for him. He was probable just worried everyone would realize he's pond scum.

  9. Female or male employee? by Max_W · · Score: 4, Funny

    I did not get it. Was it female or male employee?

    I looked up in the WIkipedia: Fraternization (from Latin frater, brother) is "turning people into brothers".

    What "non-fraternization policy" may mean?

    1. Re:Female or male employee? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Technically it means you can't pal around with your underlings. The actual meaning in this circumstance is that you also can't stick your dick in them.

    2. Re:Female or male employee? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But cigars are still ok, right?

    3. Re:Female or male employee? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Informative

      Was it female or male employee?

      Latin uses the male version of the word when referring to groups of mixed or indeterminate gender. This was probably a woman, but I'm just playing the odds because I don't know his sexual orientation and the majority of men seem to be straight.

      A non-fraternization policy prohibits social activities, to some degree, between bosses and underlings. One of those areas of activities covered is usually sexual

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    4. Re:Female or male employee? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Depends. A cohiba or a philly blunt?

    5. Re:Female or male employee? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine being this obtuse...

  10. A little off topic... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But UBI never works.

    FYI!

  11. hope it was good by trybywrench · · Score: 1

    hope it was worth your job Brian. She's probably laughing her ass off right now

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    1. Re:hope it was good by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He probably left with a nice severance "package" and can walk out, start his own company, get a teaching gig, move to the beach in Thailand, etc. Who has the last laugh? He's hardly impoverished.

    2. Re:hope it was good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If by nice severance "package" you mean $37 million then you are right.

  12. Par for the course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my old company it was par for the course for managers to have sex with their subordinates. It was a way to get a nice raise and to get promoted. It was considered on eof the many perks of been a manager.

    1. Re:Par for the course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm an engineer...that would not be a perk for our engineering managers.

  13. It's either 10 mm or Spectre/Meltdown by MetricT · · Score: 1

    This is a face-saving (for Intel, not him) way of ushering him to the door without encouraging stockholders to pay more attention to how the company is performing.

    That he was replaced with a finance guy instead a techie doesn't bode well, and suggests Moore's law is about to slow down even further (due to economics as much as physics).

    1. Re: It's either 10 mm or Spectre/Meltdown by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's what I was going to say. Intel has been flailing, the CEO didn't seem to be able to handle it at all, and this is a perfect excuse for people who wanted to get rid of him anyway (and he probably wanted to leave)

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    2. Re:It's either 10 mm or Spectre/Meltdown by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "That he was replaced with a finance guy instead a techie doesn't bode well"

      That he was replaced by the finance guy means that the CFO was the number 2 officer of the company and was on the spot to take over immediately, giving the board time to select a permanent replacement.

  14. obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Intel Inside

    1. Re:obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      LOL. Wrong, but LOL

    2. Re:obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the guy came, did he make the Intel jingle sound..."Bum-bum-bum-BUM!"

  15. Wife by 110010001000 · · Score: 1, Troll

    I wonder what his wife and two daughters think about that. Another Republican with loose morals.

    1. Re:Wife by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 0

      Maybe he should be separated from his kids. I hear that is a popular remedy in Republican circles.

    2. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His only real political contributions went to Intel's PAC. https://www.campaignmoney.com/political/contributions/brian-krzanich.asp?cycle=16

      And the Intel PAC has been pretty evenly split for the last decade or so (well before Krzanich took a C-position at Intel and started pushing his diversity agenda)
      https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?cycle=2018&strID=C00125641

    3. Re:Wife by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      He also attempted to hold a fundraiser for Trump at his house until the backlash made him cancel it.

    4. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a strange Republican that contributes to Democratic candidates.

    5. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he should be allowed to break the rules and take the moral high ground. I hear that is a popular strategy in Democratic circles.

    6. Re:Wife by Major+Blud · · Score: 3, Informative

      I wonder what his wife and two daughters think about that. Another Republican with loose morals.

      Maybe he thought he could get away with it....seemed to work for this guy.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...–Lewinsky_scandal

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    7. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compared to the millions of democrats with no morals. Worried about a few thousand kids at the border when they aborted and euthanized millions in the past and will in the future.

      Fucking lefties are the worst aren't they?

    8. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy crap. Inviting Nazis into your house! This guy is dangerous and needs to be silenced. Hopefully he'll go to prison for this abuse of women.

    9. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      https://www.cnn.com/2014/06/17/politics/clinton-town-hall-what-to-watch/

      On this problem particularly, Clinton later said, "We have so to send a clear message, just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay. So, we don't want to send a message that is contrary to our laws or will encourage more children to make that dangerous journey."

      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-obama-administration-children-human-traffickers/

      Did the Obama Administration Place Immigrant Children With Human Traffickers?
      A congressional report and criminal indictment resulted from a 2014 incident in which multiple immigrant children were handed off to a human trafficking ring.

      True.

      and so on...

    10. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow. Glad the public made him not do what he had no right to do. No one has the right to invite just whoever they want into their home.

    11. Re:Wife by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Hopefully, but my guess is he won't. He should go to jail for SEC violations on his stock sales, but he probably won't go for that either.

    12. Re:Wife by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      The difference is that Democrats don't drone on about Jeebus and morality.

    13. Re:Wife by Major+Blud · · Score: 1

      Maybe, but they do drone on about sexual harassment and male power structures.

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    14. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know where you're going with the euthanization thing, but it takes a special twisted kind of logic to turn "the government isn't allowed to interfere with a person's decision" into "The Democrats are actively aborting fetuses."

      Most (many?) liberals tend to see a fetus as a potential child, whereas in the case of the border stuff, these are *actual* children, with parents who are willing and able to care for them. Are you really trying to argue that *actual* children don't matter, because of some handway whataboutism about a different and disputed issue about fetuses? If you care that deeply for children, surely you care for ALL of them, right?

    15. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Versus Democrat two faced fuckhead? And of course YOU know the same and actually worse policy existed under Obama, right? And that when parents are arrested for a crime, all fucking children are separated? What to you want them to do with the fucking kids? You are not funny or smart, you are a lying asshole.

    16. Re:Wife by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      Nah. Any CEO or company owner worth their salt knows you contribute to both political parties. That way who ever wins you're guy is in charge. If you only contribute to one or the other when the other guy wins (and they always win eventually) they always get back at you.It's not about policy its about survival.

    17. Re:Wife by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      Well you know the government sure seems to actively interfere with the decision of most people who decide to kill another human being.

      The are no potential humans. You are either human or you're not. Making people not persons is how you get slavery. Its how you get people like Peter Singer who thinks it's alright to kill babies and toddlers because they're not real persons.

      As for people who bring their children along during the commission of a crime, I think I'd probably seriously consider revoking parental rights for someone who brought their children along with them while they committed breaking and entering or risked their lives by entering a country illegally or turning them over to human traffickers. Yes I think we should protect all the children. Lets pass real immigration reform and have a secure border so that people don't risk their children's lives.

    18. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You hate anyone who doesn't believe the exact same as you, we get it. You can stop bringing it up every chance you get. You're turning into PopeRatzo.

    19. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For what, selling his stock before it was about to go higher? Doesn't really make sense, does it?

    20. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The are no potential humans. You are either human or you're not.

      "Humanness" is mostly a red herring. Legal status often hinges on personhood. A person's rights can vary with age and status (e.g., being mentally incompetent or brain dead), among other things. Not being born yet is one of those statuses. A fetus at one month isn't a person, but has the potential to become one.

      Making people not persons is how you get slavery. Its how you get people like Peter Singer who thinks it's alright to kill babies and toddlers because they're not real persons.

      Slavery is definitely a case where failure to recognize personhood causes tragedy, but that's because most of us nowadays see that personhood should be recognized. I'll assume you're also arguing personhood should be applied to fetuses, but I'd like to see an explanation for why. For instance, nobody's ever enslaved a fetus. Why is that? Because they have no real ability or agency, are internal, are dependent upon the mother. Those might be reasons why they're also not a person. They can also mature and be born, and then become a person in the eyes of the law, but that's why the pro-choice stance tends to call them "potential" and not yet actual persons. The law recognizes other transitions like this, such as from child to adult.

      I know nothing about Singer, but don't think he's significant. Statistically, nobody in the modern US thinks once a baby has been born it's not a person. Historically, there's plenty of examples where personhood isn't bestowed for some time, sometimes years (waiting for the first feeding, or a name day, etc.) but none of that's pertinent to US law. It's basically just slippery slope thinking, to say one whackadoo outlier means we have to take the other extreme just to make sure we stay the hell away from his bad idea. In comparison, birth is a pretty clear-cut and simple milestone to use. I'd also accept the argument that some time around 5 months, or wherever the cutoff is where even a decent fraction of premature babies are likely to survive with medical care, is a more sensible line for when we start treating them like people.

    21. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me put it this way, then. It's a strange Republican that donates to former DNC Chairperson and Florida Congressman Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

    22. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that sexual harassment and male power structures exist.

    23. Re:Wife by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Someone is salty.

  16. Another explanation by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Or maybe just maybe it's because Intel has almost squandered its competitive edge?

    10nm is nowhere to be seen in decent quantities even though it was promised back in ... 2016. In a recent earnings call mass production was delayed until 2019.

    Ice Lake is nowhere to be seen and Intel is still rehashing its three (!) years old SkyLake uArch. Meanwhile AMD Zen uArch has a very strong IPC performance and is only lacking in top frequencies, however AMD CPUs also have a very competitive TDP.

    Add Meltdown, Spectre, Brian Krzanich selling all his shares (and leaving the bare minimum allowed by corporate laws) to the mix and the picture becomes quite grim. Perhaps shareholders were happy to use this excuse to let him go. In another (successful) corporation and under different circumstances this incident perhaps would have been brushed under the carpet.

    1. Re:Another explanation by datavirtue · · Score: 2

      Definitely. If things were going good and they were hitting on all cylinders this would not have seen the light of day.

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  17. He didn't do anything wrong. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 3, Informative

    Relationship was consensual. Policy is wrong -- employers should butt out of employees'/managers' private lives when they're off the clock. He was right to keep his private life private -- shame that someone snitched on him. Petty snitches make life worse for everyone.

    1. Re:He didn't do anything wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The policy may be bullshit but as CEO it's his bullshit. If it's applied to anyone it should be him.

    2. Re:He didn't do anything wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could also be the liability. If it later turned into a sexual harassment case and the company knew it was going on, it might cost big money.

    3. Re:He didn't do anything wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is an EEO violation to every other employee at the company. Doesn't matter if employee in relationship was ok with relationship. There is no way to prove that every other employee was treated the same. This is why what Clinton did was so reprehensible -- not for Monica, but for every other government employee not get the same favorable treatement as she did.

    4. Re:He didn't do anything wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >employers should butt out of employees'/managers' private lives
      >when they're off the clock

      As a former Intel chip design engineer and project leader, I don't EVER remember being give the opportunity to get "off the clock". So.... Why should he? Especially given that he makes a hell of lot more than I ever did.

    5. Re:He didn't do anything wrong. by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      It is impossible for a "relationship" between parties where one can fire the other to be "consensual". The conflicts of interest are vast.

    6. Re:He didn't do anything wrong. by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Really depends on the employee's attitude towards the job, how much they need the job, if it's a career, etc. e.g. A summer employee might care more about a relationship than keeping a temp job which is ending in a month anyway.

      Believe it or not, "job" doesn't define everyone's "life." There are no hard-and-fast answers to such things, which is why "zero tolerance" policies are garbage.

    7. Re:He didn't do anything wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is impossible for a "relationship" between parties where one can fire the other to be "consensual". The conflicts of interest are vast.

      If that is the case, it's impossible for a relationship where one is strong enough to kill the other to be consensual.

      And the coercion can go the other way too. The subordinate can just be stringing the sugar daddy along, looking for a job that they are not qualified for, or blackmail.

      If it were me on top and I were not married, I would tell the company to hire an outside firm to act as the underling's superior and to take the cost of this out of my salary package. After a month or so I would tell her about this and carefully watch her reaction. A bit of bad reaction would tell me her motives are not good. You just have to be that way past a certain amount of money / power. Come to think of it, I would probably hire a PI too; for a simple go / no-go with no details.

  18. Refreshing by h8sg8s · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Refreshing to see upper management held to the same company standards as the rest in the management chain. Too often, C-level and board members are given a pass after taking a pass at a subordinate while those further down the chain are crucified for the same behavior.

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    1. Re:Refreshing by GregMmm · · Score: 1

      Knowing the culture, this is not how the rest of the management chain would be treated. They would disappear and later you would find out the truth. In my IT position, we would get requests to remove all access for a certain user. (unfriendly termination) So I would get some heads up.

      If BK was really treated like all the other employees, he would have been disappeared and everyone would have been wondering where he went. No resignation. Just the Mr Spacely treatment. You're fired!!

      So no, BK is not treated the same. (yes he went by BK at Intel)

    2. Re:Refreshing by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      On the flip side, every other manager at Intel has the option of moving someone out of his/her direct management chain, making a violation of the policy avoidable while still having the relationship. The CEO doesn't really have that option. Arguably, the nature of that position necessitates a different policy.

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  19. Really? by osee · · Score: 1

    I they get caught.
    If he respected said policies, he would not be in trouble now.

  20. Just an excuse by PingSpike · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A lot of people deluding themselves here IMO. Literally no ones cares BK slept with his secretary. That stuff just goes away at this level. This is just cover for tossing him after blowing the manufacturing lead and other leadership failures. They don't want to spook the shareholders.

    1. Re:Just an excuse by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Yeah, something tells me that Intel would have been more than willing to sweep this issue under the rug if it wasn't for Meltdown and Spectre already tarnishing Intel's reputation.

      Losing the desktop performance crown to AMD this year is just icing on the cake.

    2. Re:Just an excuse by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I second this.

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    3. Re:Just an excuse by brad3378 · · Score: 1

      Burger King?

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  21. Does this mean ...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does this mean that a husband and wife couple can not both work for Intel? It is, after all, a consensual relationship.

    What if the couple were engaged prior to employment and subsequently got married?
    What if the couple had been dating prior to employment and subsequently got engaged?
    What if the couple knew each other prior to employment and subsequently started dating?
    What if the couple knew of each other prior to employment and subsequently developed a friendship?

    Or does it mean you have to declare all known relationships prior to employment?
    What if you know someone who's working for Intel, "accidentally" forget them at declaration and subsequently start dating?

    Honestly, I really hope the policy is just being used by Krzanich to exit, and not exposing the moral and legal tar pit it appears to be.

    1. Re:Does this mean ...? by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      If this is an honest question: Yes it means that a husband and wife cannot work in the same managerial chain irregardless of their past relationship.

      This is the policy at the company I work for. Spouses cannot work in the same department. One cannot be the boss of the other. They shouldn't even be dating.

      Spouses can work in different departments, even if one is a boss and the other not.

      During interviews we ask if you know anyone at the company or are related to them. If the answer is yes and hiring you would cause a policy conflict we don't hire you. If you lie and we find out later you're terminated.

      I remember one case where two married workers from associated departments ran into a problem when one was up for promotion. The position managed both departments. The spouse was moved to a third department so that they wouldn't be in violation of the policy.

  22. Company Ink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  23. wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intel is headquartered in Santa Clara California and in that state it is illegal to have policies against legal actions after work hours

    1. Re:wait by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      California law allows the Labor Commissioner to file claims for lost wages for someone unreasonably fired for doing legal things outside of work. However, there is an exception for situations where those actions would potentially harm the business, and in particular, it is generally believed that the exception does not prevent anti-fraternization rules involving dating subordinates. As a rule, it is acceptable to have those rules, and typically, people transfer to other positions to avoid those sorts of conflicts of interest.

      What makes this problematic in this particular case is that there are no employees who aren't the CEO's subordinates. This potentially leads to questions about whether such a rule is reasonable under the circumstances, but that would likely involve a long, drawn-out court case. This is probably why he was allowed to resign, rather than being fired, which makes it much harder for him to sue.

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  24. Saul Alinsky loves you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Everything is political, always, 24/7. Who needs Russian trolls when we have Americans that will do it for free.

  25. Alternative valid reason by FeelGood314 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It might be that this other person sat in meetings with him and it could be seen as an colluding to force an agenda. Or the other person might report to a manager that reports to Krzanich and this manager would then feel as if they are being watched or undermined by the relationship. There are other reasons than sexual misconduct to ban some relationships in a company.

    1. Re:Alternative valid reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but you can do that with a friend just as well (and probably better), and friendships aren't (yet) disallowed by these policies.

    2. Re:Alternative valid reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But as every married male still having sexual relations with his wife knows, he have a far greater influence on his sexual partner than his friends.... WAIT... or vice versa.

  26. Why become a CEO ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... if you can't hire a young hot secretary and then bend her over your desk a few times a week. Thats the whole point of working so hard to get that position?!

    1. Re:Why become a CEO ... by x0ra · · Score: 1

      pretty much...

  27. Money saving, not face saving by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

    Firing him for cause like this probably prevents intel from having to pay a golden parachute.

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    1. Re:Money saving, not face saving by sexconker · · Score: 2

      Not a chance. Every CXO has an untouchable golden parachute. He could murder the rest of the board and shit in the water cooler and he'd still get his contractually guaranteed compensation.

    2. Re:Money saving, not face saving by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Not a chance. Every CXO has an untouchable golden parachute.

      Nice assertion, but not what I've seen. I mean, sure, they tend to be included if the CXO is fired because they're not good at their job, but not if the CXO violated company policies.

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    3. Re:Money saving, not face saving by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Tell me, which CEOs had the strings cut on their golden parachute for violating company policy?

      Anyone at VW? Anyone at Theranos?

    4. Re:Money saving, not face saving by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Well, Enron's CFO (before the government started beating down the doors.) Theranos and VW have people facing criminal charges (no idea about the golden parachute).

      But yeah, being fired for cause breaks the golden parachute. See this article. That article also states that most CXOs are trying to redefine "fired for cause" to basically be impossible.

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  28. Intel hiding the reason for firing the CEO? by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's my opinion, also.

    My guess is that the Intel Board of Directors is trying to hide why they are firing the CEO. Krzanich was only slightly better than the previous CEO, Paul Otellini, in my opinion.

    The Meltdown and Spectre bugs and the amazingly poor way Intel handled the issues could be one of the reasons for firing Krzanich.

    See my comment on another story: Updated: Intel's YEARS of insufficient management.

    Intel is extremely important to the entire world. How can the Board of Directors find a better CEO, when the Board has made mistakes in the past?

    Intel is shockingly bad at communicating, in my opinion. Two people decided to have sex with each other? That's Intel's news?

    1. Re:Intel hiding the reason for firing the CEO? by alvinrod · · Score: 1

      Spectre and Meltdown predate Krzanich and it just happened to be that the grenade exploded in his lap. The stock sales just ahead of the announcement of those issues are rather suspicious though. The bigger fault is the loss of Intel's lead in fabrication processes (the delays and issues with their 10 nm node) which was solely on his watch. That alone should be reason enough to can him.

    2. Re:Intel hiding the reason for firing the CEO? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      It's not the bugs in the processors, it's the bugs in the process tech. 10nm is dead on arrival, Intel just added another round of 14nm processors. This lapse has now put Intel BEHIND every other manufacturer in process technology for the first time in the companies history. That's why Krzanich and covering it up with this silly violation of ethics to try to avoid freaking out wallstreet.

      AMD (Global Foundaries) is on track to have 7nm processors by year end and Intel can't even get 10nm out the door. Make no mistake, this is a firing for cause for the atrocious delay in foundry advancement, before this delay Intel had a 2 node advantage on everyone else and now they've caught up and are set to pass them.

    3. Re:Intel hiding the reason for firing the CEO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Intel is extremely important to the entire world

      You can't be serious.They have more than capable competitors in every single field that they are involved in.

      If they disappeared tomorrow, it wouldn't really matter at all.

  29. Don't shit where you eat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Don't shit where you eat.
    Thanks means don't screw anyone (sexually) where you get paid.
    Bosses, employees, contractors, clients, customers ... none of those.

    On 1 exception that I know ... Hooters chics and strippers. They can screw (sexually) their customers, if they like, but never their employees or bosses. Especially Chrissy at the Cumberland hooters, please.

  30. YES! by bussdriver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For the younger readers, keep this in mind. Company policies are only there to give HR excuses! If you piss off the wrong people (especially a vindictive HR person) you'll have policies thrown at you by makeshift prosecutors (or actual staff lawyers) including ones they themselves have broken in the past.

    Also be wary of staff who seem to know the company policies too well; because it often indicates a nasty person (or somebody who managed to escape an attack.) Normal people don't memorize the whole policy handbook; most people don't even read the whole thing and certainly decisions are often made without consulting it or following it (the larger it is the more likely it's BS only used as a fallback when fears of court cases arise.)

  31. I don't understand what the fuss is by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Executives fuck their secretaries all the time. You don't really think all those beauty queen secretaries are hired for their ability to perform the tasks outlined in their job description, do you? In my past lives, the general manager had company paid for one of his secretary's breast implant operation. (Yes, he was fucking them both.)

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    1. Re:I don't understand what the fuss is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but I don't support this behavior. I am against it. Just because it happens all the time, you think that OK's it, I think it needs to be persecuted more often and with harsher penalties.

    2. Re:I don't understand what the fuss is by The+Rizz · · Score: 1

      Executives fuck their secretaries all the time. You don't really think all those beauty queen secretaries are hired for their ability to perform the tasks outlined in their job description, do you?

      Most of the time, yes they are. The secretaries/assistants for someone at the CEO level of a large company are paid very well, and people who are paid very well have the money to dress and groom themselves very well. There's a reason most CEOs also look amazing - it's because money brings confidence and the ability to dress well, and those are two of the biggest factors in other people's assessments of attractiveness.

      Yes, there are scumbags who hire their secretaries based on their looks and/or to fuck them, but they are the exception and not the rule.

    3. Re: I don't understand what the fuss is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So tiring to see that because a woman is attractive or dresses well she must surely be doing her boss. Give it a rest already.

  32. About darn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intel users and fans alike should rejoice, B.K. aka Blunder King is no more at Intel. Praise Gaben and Felicia Day.

  33. Puritan madness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First rule of business? Not mixing business with pleasure?

    What a pile of idiotic and hypocritical bull**** imposed by the sick madness of puritan fanatics!

    The best things a life in this world has to offer come when ratio and emotions come together. Only weak minds can forbid emotions limiting everything and everyone to rationality.

  34. When a company can ... by Martin+S. · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It is staggering that any company thinks it has any right to interfere in personal private relationships. When they can exercise control over your sex life ..., Used to be a criticism leveled at religion. This would be laughed at in Europe

    1. Re:When a company can ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This would be laughed at in Europe

      It is not. Male power structures keep women down. Leveraging the desire for hypergamy to enact male power is immoral and illegal in civilized countries. This case is one step in the right direction for USA.

    2. Re:When a company can ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These policies are usually to avoid quid pro quo situations.

      At lower levels, typically, it is not a problem for employees to have a relationship if they are not in a direct management chain. For example, a low level employee and a manager in a different department. If they are in the same department, usually one will try to be transferred to eliminate any conflicts.

      The problem at CEO level is that there are no parallel departments - everyone reports to the CEO. The issue here is how do you ensure that the lower level employee wasn't bullied into the relationship, or conversely, how do you ensure the co-workers that the relationship is resulting in favoritism towards the love interest.

      In general, you want to have a relationship with CEO, it would be a good idea to switch companies when the relationship starts.

    3. Re:When a company can ... by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      You're missing the point I think.

      The reasoning behind such rules is to ensure that the subordinate employee isn't shown any preferential treatment.
      It's already obvious when hormones get involved, logical decisions go right out the window.

      This also prevents a subordinate employee from gaining any leverage against the individual in question ( in this case, the CEO ).
      Once a relationship begins, the subordinate can now demand quite a bit via the threat of blackmail.

      Finally, it doesn't matter if he / she was an employee or not. If you're having an affair, it puts you at risk for blackmail. Which is
      significant when you're the CEO. Imagine if the one he decided to have an affair with actually worked for or had interests with AMD or
      another competitor.

      You see the problem this can create ?

      As CEO, I would think he would have more snap than that.

    4. Re:When a company can ... by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      If there were no policy against the relationship and it could be discussed openly, there would be no potential for blackmail! I do think it's a generally good policy although lots of other commentators have pointed out that it's far from perfect.

    5. Re:When a company can ... by x0ra · · Score: 1

      Male power structure has been bringing women up ~forever. What do you think the "casting couch" is all about ?

    6. Re:When a company can ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is just that such rules would be unenforceable in Europe, and it could not be a valid reason for termination.
      Your employer cannot decide which person you are allowed to date, whatever is the respective position in the company.
      An employee could attack the company for unfair treatment.

    7. Re:When a company can ... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      And the European/EU rules are right. Employers should stay the fuck out of employees' private lives.

    8. Re:When a company can ... by terrycarlino · · Score: 1

      I think his spouse not knowing might still open an avenue for blackmail.

    9. Re:When a company can ... by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      This is in no way about interfering with private life. It's about prohibiting conflicts of interest and sexual harassment. Reporting structures can be moved to eliminate the conflict of interest so that peoples private lives are not impacted by the workplace.

      I am continually amazed by people that think a sexual relationship with someone that could fire you is a meeting of equals.

    10. Re:When a company can ... by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      Blackmail by the subordinate is not the only, or even the greatest, problem here.
      Allowing the reporting structure to remain between people in a relationship still leaves the manager in a position to condition employment on the continuance of the relationship.

    11. Re:When a company can ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an american who lives in europe (Belgique) for many years now, this idea of 'fairness' is so hypocritical for the most part. I hear 'that's not fair' about open offices, about being asked to work a little longer to meet a slipping deadline (with comp time or bonus offered!), 'its not fair' that employees can't take a 2 hour lunch every day of the week.. I hear it at home 'its not fair that they are reducing funding for X program' but no one says a fucking word when the king gets a €1million security upgrade so he can get blowjobs in peace. No one says 'its not fair' that it costs €10,000 to start a new business, no one says 'its not fair' that the taxation system allows super rich to get more super rich and yet I pay 48% in taxes!

      Fuck the european idea of 'it all must be fair'. I think the word that most euro english mistake for 'fair' is actually balanced.

      Balance is key. Fair is going to cause more of 5 star party to rise. Its just the way it is. Human DNA is not designed for 'fair' and we never will be except in small communal/family situations.

    12. Re:When a company can ... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Employers have a duty of care towards their employees, they have legal obligations regarding employment and how they treat employees and they have regulatory and other obligations to address corporate risks that include amongst other things any potential conflicts of interest.

      In other words, if you don't want your employer getting involved in your private life make fucking sure that what you're doing in private has fuck all to do with your employer.

      Fucking a subordinate creates an immediate conflict of interest, exposes the company to multiple vectors of litigation risk, risks employee tensions due to perceived or actual favouritism and makes it fucking hard to objectively ascertain that the junior partner in the relationship is acting entirely of their own informed volition.

      "Don't fuck the staff" is a far easier (and legal in the UK) policy to state and implement.

    13. Re:When a company can ... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      "Don't ask, don't tell, don't bring it into the office" would be a far better policy. If an employer isn't allowed to monitor employees' activities outside of work, they'd have no way of knowing about a consensual relationship. Which is as it should be -- off the clock, employees' time is their own and usual freedoms of association between consenting adults should apply.

    14. Re:When a company can ... by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      Belgium sounds awesome compared to the US -- it's great that employees push back about having TIME taken away from them, losing the ability to eat/digest in peace, etc. It's as it should be.

  35. Hmm, do you think he could have changed it? by gosand · · Score: 1

    The CEO could have changed that policy if he wanted to, in order to make it more lenient. e.g. any relationships must be disclosed to HR, and can't be between two people where one has power over the other, etc. That is what a lot of places do. I have worked with people that met at work and ended up getting married. It happens, and companies should deal with that. I don't think the policy is right either, but the CEO agreed to it just like everyone else.

    Of course, changing it wouldn't have really helps HIS situation as CEO since he would have a position of power over everyone.

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    1. Re:Hmm, do you think he could have changed it? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      "can't be between two people where one has power over the other"

      This is what is being reported about the relationship, which is why he was forced out.

  36. down the tubes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Me2 phenomenon is well on its way to successfully decimating US business and technical hegemony.

  37. MANY areas of Intel poor management by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    "The stock sales just ahead of the announcement of those issues [Spectre and Meltdown] are rather suspicious though."

    I linked to a story about that in a previous comment: Intel was aware of the chip vulnerability when its CEO sold off $24 million in company stock. (Jan. 3, 2018)

    There are so many areas of insufficient management at Intel that commenting on them always focuses on one or a few areas. A fully examined list would be a book, not a comment.

  38. What's the world today coming to? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember the good ol' days, when Intel only screwed their customers!

  39. Intel sells 3.5 times as many CPUs as AMD. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Distribution of AMD and Intel x86 computer processors worldwide, from 2012 to 2017, by quarter

    Intel: 77.7%. AMD: 22.3%. Intel sells 3.5 times as many CPUs as AMD.

  40. Thoughts from an Intel Employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have worked at Intel for several years. The Code of Conduct is pushed very hard (by the CEO in fact) as being critical to our business. Yes, it does specifically prohibit many relationships between managers and their reports, whether direct or indirect. The primary reasons are around conflicts of interest. It isn't that Intel doesn't want employees to have relationships with each other (there are a significant number of families at Intel). It's about ensuring that there is no opportunity (or at least as little as possible) for a conflict of interest to occur. It's also about ensuring that there is no appearance of conflict of interest.

    Also, the policy isn't a zero-tolerance policy. I just re-read it today to confirm. There is tolerance under a limited set of conditions. Specifically, it must be reported to your manager and approved by multiple internal entities BEFORE it happens. This can either be in terms of a potential relationship with an existing subordinate or in terms of potentially hiring someone with whom you have an existing close personal relationship.

    It covers more than hiring, it's also for supplier/customer relationships. If your spouse happens to work at a company that could be a supplier for something Intel purchases, and you have influence over that purchasing decision, you are required to disclose this to your manager and get all necessary approvals. There will be additional oversight on it.

    All of that being said, people aren't perfect. We make mistakes. BK should have owned up to this one much sooner. He didn't, I don't know the reasons, and probably never will know the reasons. I'm not going to speculate on them either, waste of everyone's time. There was enough information revealed to make it clear exactly what part of the Code of Conduct was violated. Anything else is getting into private, personal details and should be between him and his family/friends.

    1. Re:Thoughts from an Intel Employee by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      No one should have to beg and scrape to their boss for permission to date someone.

    2. Re:Thoughts from an Intel Employee by Cederic · · Score: 1

      They don't. They can quit their job instead.

      What, you want to be able to create a conflict of interest, damage staff morale through the perception of unfairness, maybe even exploit your position to take advantage of junior members of staff?

      Fuck it, quit your job anyway, your company will be better off without you.

    3. Re:Thoughts from an Intel Employee by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      What if you ARE the junior member of staff who wants to date someone above you? BTW - the requirement to report to a boss and beg/scrape for permission also applies to relationships between equal employees. No one should be forced to choose between pursuing love and having an income.

  41. This is why women should stay in the kitchen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Men are pigs, and incapable of not raping every girl and women they see. So we must separate the sexes to keep them as far apart as possible. This limits the possibility of the male performing the disgusting and creepy act of procreation.

    In the future, all the jobs at Intel will be undertaken by robots. Without foul smelling humans having sex all over the place, we can finally cure workplace sexual assault. Also when the machines take over we can finally fix global climate change.

    Death to human. Bow down to your future not fornicating robot overlords

  42. Tech relationships.. by JeremyWH · · Score: 1

    I think they are Spectre-lating. But I did hear they was some Heartbleed. I’m sure there was a Meltdown at some point..

  43. Intel suffered major blows by Kartu · · Score: 1

    Intel suffered major blows, just check on youtube reviewers reaction to their "counter to ThreadRipper 2".
    This is merely an excuse,not the reason.

  44. Subordinate [Re: FTFT] by XXongo · · Score: 1

    If you want to have a relationship with a subordinate the right thing to do is to remove yourself from a position of power over them.

    Easy enough to say, but given he was CEO, everybody in the company was subordinate.

    Which are you recommending, that he quit his job, or that he fire his innamorata?

    1. Re:Subordinate [Re: FTFT] by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That's why he gets the big bucks. If he wants to persue such a relationship he needs to resign.

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    2. Re:Subordinate [Re: FTFT] by b0s0z0ku · · Score: 1

      He's not forbidden from meeting employees outside of work. If they both keep their mouths shut and don't bring drama to work, it's not a romantic relationship unless they say it is. D.A.D.T. is the correct approach here.

  45. So, not about the CPU flaw and the stock sale? by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

    Was this the same guy who unloaded a bunch of Intel stock right before the announcement of the CPU problems?

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  46. Please buy our CPUs by kzwork · · Score: 1

    Please buy our CPUs, the company is now under new management.