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Microsoft Quietly Cuts Off Windows 7 Support For Older Intel Computers (computerworld.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: If your PC doesn't run Streaming Single Instructions Multiple Data (SIMD) Extensions 2, you apparently won't be getting any more Win7 patches. At least, that's what I infer from some clandestine Knowledge Base documentation changes made in the past few days. Even though Microsoft says it's supporting Win7 until January 14, 2020, if you have an older machine -- including any Pentium III -- you've been blocked, and there's nothing you can do about it.
We're talking about maybe 0.5% of computers out there, probably mostly running specialty hardware that's not connected to the Internet. Also, if you're not an idiot and don't go to random sites/click "run" on downloaded files, you're reasonably safe.
It will be okay, if they add support for Kaby Lake and Ryzen instead.
Microsoft should just brick all non win 10 pc's and be done with it..
Instead they like to torture the owners of previous operating systems, slowly breaking things and no longer patching.
This results in the older machines being ideal nodes in a botnet.
Windows 7 is the Best Windows. , better than all versions which came before it and after it. The only thing it lacks is out of the box USB 3.0 support. The drivers not on the install disk but you ca add it.. That's all. It's everything you need.
Windows 8 was a stupid movie. "Let's change the UI, because, fuck it, let's change the UI." Nothing else.
And Windows 10 with its intrusive spying and adverts truly sucks ass. It didn't add anything of value either.
Microsoft is pushing out new versions because no one has gone for their subscriptions so new versions is how they make money. That is all.
> b0s0z0ku : Also, if you're not an idiot and don't go to random sites/click "run" on downloaded files, you're reasonably safe.
Wow. You really are an idiot. Precisely the sort of idiot who needs to be protected with security patches.
I enjoy how that's fit in there as if this is 2008 and there are still a good number of P3s in use.
The last Pentium III chip ever created was released in 2001.
2001. That is 17 years ago. Last computer built with this ancient technology is probably from 2005, over ten years ago. Much of the hardware machinery, such as mechanical drives and fans, should've stopped working by now. If they miraculously still work, Linux is a prime candidate to run on this super-old system for that last mileage.
Face it, Windows 7 is on it's death bed, and if you do not like it, go Linux or go home. :)
systemd is not an init system. It's a GNU replacement.
The last PC I had that wasn't capable of SSE2 was an Athlon T-Bird, which had a quite beefy for its time 768MB of RAM. I wouldn't want to even try running Windows 7 on that.
Sure, most people do not run Win7 on computers that old. But there are embedded systems like displays, measurement equipment, medical equipment, etc. that will be affected by this and MS was fine doing this deceptively and without warning and without giving people time do make arrangements. They also did it _while_ these systems are officially compliant with the Win7 minimum requirements. That is just completely unacceptable, but so very much like MS. No honor, no care for the customer, just always after the biggest profit they can get for cheap.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Embedded systems like medical equipment, displays, measurement equipment, etc.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Why would anyone be running Windows 7 on a P3??? There are two use cases where anyone aside from a collector would still be actively using such old equipment. #1, you need it to control or interface with specific and valuable hardware from that time period. In this case, you would also want to be running the original OS from that time period too, to ensure maximum compatibility. On the other hand, if you're using it for retro gaming, you also want to be running at least a relatively time accurate OS, since you're using an old computer over an emulator precisely because it's more authentic. If you're using a P3 as a home computer, you can literally buy a machine with a Core 2 Duo or a Sandy bridge processor for $30 or less, and you should have done so a long time ago anyway, since a P3 hasn't been able to handle anything more complex then static html for like 10 years now, making it largely useless as a general purpose home computer. And even if for some reason you did, Linux would be the obvious choice as it's both free and more capable then Win 7. I simply can't see any situation for why you'd ever want to run Windows 7 on a computer like that...
"Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
I think Microsoft does not want to explain why it pulled the patch or why a compile option was too difficult for a few modules.
Those with impacted systems should sue - a class action, Discovery actions should reveal if Intel issues are are the 'driver'. Intel should either cough up money, or give MS some money to make the problem go away. MS has been caught red-handed. New Zealand residents genuinely impacted should take their PC back to the store for a replacement, and take action under NZ's no-nonsense consumer laws.
Embedded systems like medical equipment, displays, measurement equipment, etc.
Why would you be running Windows 7 on embedded systems, its a desktop OS?
Microsoft says they'll support Windows 7 until 2020, that doesn't imply or guarantee they'll support it on any specific CPU. I'd say I'm sorry for the writer that your 486 will no longer get upgrades, but really I don't care.
The last PC I had that wasn't capable of SSE2 was an Athlon T-Bird, which had a quite beefy for its time 768MB of RAM. I wouldn't want to even try running Windows 7 on that.
I had a dual Athlon 1800MP for years with 2GB of RAM, it survived surprisingly long by being dual processor, and having the GPU upgraded 3 times. It mostly died 7 years ago because everything compiled with a microsoft compiler depended on SSE2, so practical support ended 7 years.
I keep saying - This is just the thin end of the wedge. Or in this case, now a slightly thicker part of the thin end of the wedge; It'll keep getting worse and worse until 'no support in 2020 but you can still use it on existing systems' slowly turns into 'deliberately crippled on all systems so you have to use windows 10'
Don't listen to all these astroturfers putting down old systems just because they're old.
If they could run Win7, there's no good reason why the goal posts should suddenly be moved.
Why do American nutjobs keep flooding the World Wide Web with their private political opinions? Nobody gives a shit about your baboon of a President or your fruitcake political opinions.
Based on the timeline of the CPU, these would have been supplied with Windows XP, and probably still run XP behind a firewall or offline.
I'm not a member of the ReactOS project, just shilling as an alpha user who's impressed with the progress so far.
Yes, the project has been around for two decades, but it's made remarkable strides in the last couple of years. Give it two more—coincidentally when all support for Win7 ceases—and I think people will be pleasantly surprised by its usability. My only concern is that the Kremlin has dumped a bunch of money into the project, and I'd feel better if someone did an independent security audit of the code to see that Vlad didn't have some backdoor put in.
'He who has to break a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom.' -- Gandalf to Saruman
I'll just leave this here.
See subject: Kubuntu ROCKS (yes, penguinized now, finally) - It's FINALLY gotten to where I prefer it over Windows (@ least 10, 7 I still like but I actually LIKE Linux more now) due to excellence in dev tools FreePascal + Lazarus IDE 1.82 = awesome which is REALLY all I need.
My Win7 64-bit install media finally "bit it" (right when I blew 2 disks in a row 5++ yrs. old SSD & WD Raptor too) so I said "Why not? I have work I can port to *NIX - 'go for it'" & here I am, happy I did. It was "FATE" perhaps...
Installs FAST (20 minutes or so iirc) by using NEW, MINIMAL installation choice (installing other things via DISCOVER later (really nice GUI front))!
I tried Linux in 94 (Slackware 1.02) - lousy hardware support/weak in software available (it was only a baby then though). Then Redhat 1999 (better on hardware but still weak (software too & quality of it)). Then 2010 on Kubuntu 10.10 (THEN, I was like "it's close now but no cigar").
HOWEVER Kubuntu 18.04 + patches = excellent!
I mean it: I really, Really, REALLY like it (over Windows of any kind now & BSD (both of which I have on other SSD/HDD here now & what am I running daily? Linux)).
APK
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Sunk cost fallacy.
"It does not do to leave a live dragon out of your calculations, if you live near him." - Tolkien
See subject: I was ALWAYS very, Very, VERY "intrigued" by the prospect of an OS that could run MS Win64 apps PERFECTLY as possible (better than WINE on Linux @ least, it's not so solid on API translations, forcing me to do what I post in the link below in my 'p.s.' @ this post's termination)
I.E. - A recompile porting of a Win32/64 app I did that did pretty well & it's just a HOBBY of mine in my "declining years" (53++ here now, LONG retired as a coder after 25++ yrs.) & ReactOS "piqued my curiousity" after reading about it.
* NICE to hear it's COMING ALONG & not been "abandoned" (that'd be a SHAME like BeOS was or imo, WORSE + one I really, Really, REALLY liked early on, in IBM OS/2 2.1 - Warp 4.0) so glad to see she's ALIVE & KICKING!
APK
P.S.=> KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK to their crew I say as a fellow coder (especially for "sticking to their guns" & BELIEVING in themselves) & MAYBE, one day, like I did for Linux here (on/off 1994, 1999, 2010, & presently on it glad to be) https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12269404&cid=56840988/ I'll be on ReactOS like "white on rice" since I've ported my program to Win32/64, Linux 64 bit, BSD (TrueOS) 64-bit & soon MacOS X in 64-bit as well - "one never knows" (as I was the LAST GUY you'd think would "DO Linux" as I used to give the *NIX crew here a lot of HELL - BUT here I am, loving it)... apk
I really don't take an issue with this to be honest. They're supporting an old OS for a heck of a while, that hardware is incredibly incredibly old.
You can continue to use Windows 7, you just need slightly newer hardware. It's not that unreasonable.
I'm a pretty archaic nerd but hanging on to ridiculous old hardware has held us back. Look at 64bit support due to crappy Atom chips and netbooks. Windows Vista and 8, should never have had 64bit. But Windows 10, STILL shipping in 32bit? Cmon enough is enough.
This kind of thing always leaves me angry. A PC uses a lot of physical resources (metals, water, energy) to make, so planned obsolescence, via 'no patches' or 'version upgrade bloat' (a game that IBM used to play in the 70s and 80s with mainframe software to sell or rent more memory) is ecological vandalism.
Forget that little Billy is 'curing' malaria and thus helping his share portfolio etc., Microsoft is doing a lot of avoidable damage with this, basically to improve revenue and 'shareholder value'.
Happily, my computers are about ten years old and don't use Windows. Yes, I'm a Linux person, not particularly rabid, but also a green person, so I hold the same amount of hatred for Apple's repairable-with-extreme-difficulty hipster toys as well. Computers should last for a generation.
On y va, qui mal y pense!
Brick the Windows 10 machines too and be done with it.
Now if only they'd cut off Windows 10 support for newer computers...
Do a Google search for: Windows 7 EOL and you will get the following:
Microsoft ended mainstream support for Windows 7 on January 13, 2015, but extended support won't end until January 14, 2020. This applies as long as you have Service Pack 1 installed.
So, Windows 7 is already well beyond the end of the normal support cycle for consumers, and the extended support is going away in another 1.5 years. If people insist on holding on to what is soon to become a dead end, then you run into the problems you see with Windows XP, where getting it to run on a new computer is problematic and requires a virtual machine, because there are no drivers for the newer components. Want to put antivirus or other programs on there, nope, they won't run on anything older than Windows 7 currently.
The longer you hold on to an OLD product, the more difficult it will be to migrate your programs/data, and at some point, you just won't be able to get your old programs running on newer computers. Then, you end up needing to really hunt for parts to fix your old computer. If you are on a laptop, it becomes even more difficult to deal with a hardware failure due to a lack of standardization in the components in a laptop.
I understand that many people don't like some of the things in Windows 10, but the bulk of those things can be removed or turned off, and it is worth the effort to modernize NOW, before you end up stranded and without a way to move to a new computer when your old machine needs to be upgraded.
According to some Steam Hardware Survey stats, ~0.44% of Intel CPUs are under 1.4GHz of which I'm not sure if that's a lot of Pentium 3s, misconfigured CPUs/incorrect answers, or what.
The clock rate is likely to be accurate as its likely coming from the various CPUID strings that come from the CPU itself.
Clock is a poor proxy for chip generation. I have an Intel Core based Celeron running at 1.2 GHz and its not a mobile device. When you consider mobile devices you get even more "under 1.4 GHz". Intel still sells CPUs "under 1.4GHz" today, for example a Celeron N4000 at 1.1 Ghz base, a Pentium Silver N5000 at 1.1 Ghz base. If Steam happens to report a base clock rate rather than a burst clock rate you may be looking at such current dual and quad core CPUs.
Point is, it's not very hard to imagine a bunch of old PCs doing some PoS or other job for which they get monthly or quarterly patch updates and for which there are millions that exist.
"old" in a general sense yes, "old" as in Pentium III, no, that is too old. Pentium III's are going to be an aberration far far below 0.5%. Pentium III's do not constitute 1 in 200 computers.
As a company, you don't pull out of supporting something you promised to support without a good reason. Even if there is only one user on a Pentium 3s (which is highly unlikely), they're still obligated to continue support. Why is that so hard to understand?
That's a topic change. The criticism was about removing windows from your environment. The truth is every supported OS drops support for CPUs at some point and businesses have to be ready to adapt whether they are windows, os/2 or linux.
I guess they got rid of their FPU code in their compiler.
Actually the indicator in the Steam hardware survey of a PIII would be lacking SSE2, currently Steam is showing 100% of computers surveyed as having both SSE2 and SSE3. Even then the vast majority are post Core2 even with support for SSE4.1 and SSE4.2. I honestly suspect this is a non-issue that affects primarily industrial applications, and honestly most of them are probably running XP without a care in the world. I was actually quite surprised by this story in the first place because I had been under the impression windows has required SSE2 since Vista.
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Sorry, I didn't see that further down the page. I din't think Steam was really a good representative sample, anyways; I'd imagine gamers do tend to update their hardware. It was really the only survey I could think of off-hand that'd give some idea of the CPUs in use today. I agree that probably most the systems are industrial (or PoS or similar), presuming they're not running XP/XP Embedded.
I would say it's still an issue, though. It's indicative of Microsoft no longer committed to its support timetables. And yes, this would have been entirely a non-issue if they had simply required SSE2 with Windows 7 (or Vista onward). Presumably they didn't add SSE2 at that time precisely because companies wanted to upgrade XP machines without upgrade the hardware (except maybe RAM). Most of those machines presumably have been re-purposed in the interval and weren't getting updates (except maybe incidentally).
Depending on what they're doing, like you say, this probably doesn't functionally change a thing.
Other then a small fraction of PC's running anything like a Pentium 3 vintage are probably running a vintage XP through Windows 7 era OS too. These type of users could care less about getting updates.
Not all of them, no. Development cycles can easily force use of a CPU already a few years old.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
ironically, that is the first thing I disable.
Nanny Microsoft tried hard to make us work the way they want us to but there is an growing army of refusniks out there that just say no to their nannying.
You responded far more politely than I would have to a person is a living, breathing example of the kind of fuckwit who for years helped to keep Linux from being widely accepted.
I have to assume you mean linux on the desktop because if you are talking anything besides desktop PCs it's hard to imagine how it could be more accepted since it provides the core of Android and quite a lot of other mobile, server, and IoT devices. And the reasons linux fails on the desktop are mostly due to network effects of installed bases than anything else. People generally need/want to use what the people they interact with need/use and on the desktop that became mostly Windows long before linux was a thing. I'm sure you know the history as well as I do.
The fact that there were a bunch of asshats who would should "RTFM" at newbies asking legitimate newbie questions was a real problem but pretty far down the list of reasons linux never conquered the desktop.
Why is it unreasonable to expect an OS to be supported until the date published by its developer a very long time ago?
It's not unreasonable but it might be ill advised.
VMs on endpoints were not as viable a solution when XP EOL'd as they are now so while I don't recommend this path, one could buy all the new gear they want, and use VMWare Workstation or another solution like it to virtualize the legacy workload while they hopefully search for a new solution.
You are forgetting about embedded systems. An MRI-machine, for example, has a lifetime of > 20 years.
The companies that make and operate such devices are more than capable of paying Microsoft for support so that isn't really the problem. The real hassle is that the FDA certification process makes supporting such devices problematic but that isn't a problem caused by Microsoft nor one that Microsoft can solve.
Stop spamming your ineffective security software.
I think in this case its mostly a Sunken Phallacy, but maybe I'm mistaking the context of the top post.....
If so, the development cycle would also force the use of an old version of the OS, in this case XP.
You can't upgrade the os on those systems anyway. The software combination isn't certified and the device manufacturer won't support it.
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The (non-mobile) P3 hadn't been updated for seven years when Windows 7 came into being. And it's doubtful any devices were built in 2009 that ran Windows 7, which at the time was a new, untested, operating system.
I would assume you wouldn't see an MRI or other safety critical device running Windows that run Windows 7 for several years after 2009, probably 2012 or later. And it's hard for me to imagine that anyone would manufacture a device after 2012 that used a chip that most probably wasn't even in production at that point - using older hardware is one thing, but using discontinued hardware with no support from the manufacturer is quite another. Where are you going to get the chips? eBay?
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And if you include FDA testing and all the health/safety certifications, you are talking about doing last time buys when your product is hitting the market.
I'm predicting that support will be extended to at least five years past the deadline. There are two many big businesses with fleets of desktops that only upgraded to 7 after 8 was released.
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1) Win 10 is not a real OS, it goes way beyond the mandate of an OS. 2) There's no reason why Win 7 could not get driver updates and patches for newer types of devices and live forever other than MSFT wanting to make more $$$ from Win 10
Embedded systems like MRI-machines that still run such old software should either not be networked (and thus not be updated so they're not affected by this move) or they should have been designed in a way that would easily allow upgrading any Pentium 3 to something not entirely ancient.
It's not a design problem. The problem is that the FDA only certifies the device for a very specific set of hardware and software so in most cases you really cannot change anything and still use the device. It's not a technical problem in most cases, it's a legal one.
And you really HAVE to network the device to do a lot of useful things unless you plan to do some sneakernet which is idiotic and wasteful. There are ways to do it which involve segmenting off the device to its own little private network but all of them are a pain in the ass.
Many, many people agree with what you said. Microsoft is shockingly self-destructive. A few of the many, many negative articles:
Windows 10 is possibly the worst spyware ever made. "Buried in the service agreement is permission to poke through everything on your PC."
7 ways Windows 10 pushes ads at you.
Microsoft again forced upgrades on Win10 machines specifically set to block updates (March 12, 2018)
Linux came out between versions 3.0 and 3.1 of Windows.
Linux was nothing more than a hobby project for several years though a promising one. I was in college when it came out and for desktop use it wasn't even remotely competitive until after Windows 95 dropped. The only people to touch it were the most serious of unix geeks who loved it. (myself among them) The earliest distros were useful but weren't even close to ready for use by the general public.
Lots of PCs were coming with Windows at that point, but most software was still DOS (since Windows was an app rather than an OS) and very few file formats required non-DOS software.
Windows after version 3.0 was not an application. To call it one really misrepresents how it worked. It was really an OS layer that ran on top of DOS. Calling Windows 3.1 an application layer is as incorrect as calling the World Wide Web the Internet. And if you think there wasn't a lot of Windows specific software in 1991 (when linux 0.1 dropped) then you weren't there.
I understand your point, but you should make it without revisionism.
Not a problem since there isn't any. I used some of the earliest versions of linux that came out when I was an undergrad. Linux was in no way, shape, or form ready to supplant Windows on the desktop at that time. By the time it was ready, Windows 95 had already dropped and the game was effectively over for control of the PC desktop from then on.
With the level of shitlording from Microsoft recently, the window snapping is what you most object to? Really? Well, to each his own.
And how many of these actually get updated?
ironically, that is the first thing I disable.
But why?
I don't mean that in a "window snapping is superior and you are a moron to not use it" way. I mean that in a "what are you doing to accidentally trigger it" way.
It's amazing to me how often Windows is 10-20 years behind Linux in such basic features. Here's a screenshot from Gnome 1.0 in 1999. The 2x2 panel at the bottom left is for switching between virtual desktops (workspaces). It was included in 1.0 because it was considered a basic feature in Linux by 1999.
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And it makes for a real interesting conversation for what you will use for your next generation machinery controllers.
Yeah I'm kind of amazed how little consideration purchasers of this expensive equipment typically give to these sorts of important questions. I run a manufacturing company and I'm SUPER careful about investing in software or hardware that I think even has a chance of not being supported in future years. If something runs Windows that's potentially fine if I'm only expecting the equipment to have a service life of 3-5 years. Anything longer than that and there had better be a very specific service contract involved or it needs to run a system that doesn't depend on a third party for support. The presses and other heavy equipment we use in our company have software written by and for the company that sells the press and they can support it 100% for the expected life of the device. No third parties are involved and that's to our benefit.
Microsoft has decided they don't have to offer support for as long as they say they do.
Which is a risk you take whenever you depend on a third party who is not a signatory to the equipment purchase. You're basically making an assumption unless someone who actually works for Microsoft is in the room and signs a commitment obligating Microsoft for support.
No. It could, but these are not tied together.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Inventory. Some companies stock spare parts for decades.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
It's not all Americans. It's only the low IQ SJW ones with micro-penises that can't get laid. They have to ruin it for everyone.
The truth is every supported OS drops support for CPUs at some point and businesses have to be ready to adapt whether they are windows, os/2 or linux.
While true, it raises the question of why. In OS/2's case for example, the minimum currently is i686 (Pentium Pro) due to so much current software needing the atomic instructions that weren't available on older CPU's and in this day of multiple cores, SMP support is important.
Generally with SSE or other simd instructions, there are slower code paths that can be easily taken that don't depend on simd instructions.
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Somewhere Mozilla has a lot of info on which CPU's Firefox users are using. I watched development for quite a while and every time they considered having SSE2 as a minimum requirement, they were surprised at the number of machines still not supporting SSE2, mostly Athlon's I believe. The numbers finally got low enough that after 52ESR (soon), the minimum is now a Pentium M. It's also the end of XP support.
I have a T42 here which I still use now and again, nice piece of hardware for its time. It's a Pentium M at 1.4 GHz and runs stuff satisfactorily. Things like Firefox take a long time to start but run fine once started.
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Who the fuck runs Windows 7 on a goddamned P3?
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
When you buy a machine, it comes fully functional, and as long as the 100 million dollar device doesn't get hacked into the internet, and is instead run in a closed ecosystem, it can run forever.
Expecting a machine that runs a specific version of Windows to still be running 20 years later is extremely foolish. If the company that sold you the machine doesn't have access to the source code for everything on that machine then you are playing with fire. Maybe you'll get lucky but only a fool depends on luck with big capital purchases.
Where are you going to get the chips? eBay?
Craigslist.
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Thankfully some other distros have ignored that and the dreaded systemd disease.
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The truth is every supported OS drops support for CPUs at some point and businesses have to be ready to adapt whether they are windows, os/2 or linux.
While true, it raises the question of why. In OS/2's case for example, the minimum currently is i686 (Pentium Pro) due to so much current software needing the atomic instructions that weren't available on older CPU's and in this day of multiple cores, SMP support is important. Generally with SSE or other simd instructions, there are slower code paths that can be easily taken that don't depend on simd instructions.
OS/2 may be used in more "embedded" applications than Win7. PIII min would possibly be a larger issue in the OS/2 community than the Win7 community.
remember how they were able to toggle registry settings in XP to get support for another couple years for thin/embedded versions of XP on the desktop
same thing for Windows 7, 2020 -> 2021
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Derivatives
Install and uninstall all applications manually. The SP3 install disk, which harmonized the EULA with the bad parts of the Windows XP one also didn't allow you to remove as many applications as the original SP0 one did. This lead to a minimum install size of 500-800 megabytes instead of the few hundred megabytes of the original edition.
Even worse AMD dropped driver support for it early due to ABI changes between Win2k and XP graphics drivers, and while Nvidia supported them up to the 6000 or 7000 series, they did not provide better performance than AMD's R600 generation of hardware.
Whoever runs Win7 on a Pentium III or below.
Just kidding, I pity whoever runs any version of Windows on any hardware.
It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.
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Someone has managed to install Windows 7 onto a 266 MHz Pentium II processor, 96 MB of SDRAM memory, and a 4 MB video card. But even a Pentium III system took 17 hours to install Windows 7, and it takes 17 minutes to boot the machine. Someone else claims to have... "installed Win 7 RC on a Pentium III 850 MHz notebook with 512 MB RAM and 100 MHz FSB in slightly less than 1 hour and it works exceptionally well." Monday, July 06, 2009 7:49 AM
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My 4 year old HP desktop is not certified for Windows 10 Spring release 1803. HP as well as most PC makers list compatible models with each Windows 10 release. It begs to question why then is Microsoft pushing a upgrade that isn't supported on hardware by the manufacture? The bigger question is Microsoft and PC makers beginning to create a planned obsolescence path for hardware so that more hardware get's replaced faster. We saw Atom chipped tablets and 2 in 1 notebooks get locked out as well with Fall Creator. So what hardware is next is the question?
I see in the near future... 1 - Group of hackers list the names of libraries / executables with SIMD extension 2 instructions 2 - Another group develop patches for disk or a daemon for memory patches 3 - Windows become supported in old hardware :-)
Well, as long as a PIII still runs Win98, my retro gaming rig is intact. I can't say I even THOUGHT of running Win7 on a PIII. I think it has an XP partition, but that's it.
keep the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ rollin in, /.!
See subject: Like I said in my initial post to you's 'p.s.' @ its termination, a "wee bit tied up" in a project of my own BUT that may 1 day be ported to ReactOS (if it does go like Linux did, which was "step #2" for me in terms of the film "The PRESTIGE" (the pledge, the turn & the film title in other words) & one I did NOT expect to pursue (well, actually I did, but it came about SOONER than I expected it all when 2 drives (HDD & SSD bit it & so did my Win7 64-bit install media) blew out @ once in 1 month, both ~ 4-5 yrs. old or so...)))
* So, it seemed to be FATE since I 1st tried Linux in 1994, then 1999, then 2010 & this round in 2018? KUbuntu "Got Ahold of Me" & so did Object Pascal on it (big Delphi & C++ fan here over time is why but dev tools on *NIX seemed CRUDE to me til I found FreePascal & Lazarus (almost PERFECT Delphi IDE code AND Object Pascal language - rest is OS/IP stack API specific))... ... &, "there ya are" + HERE I AM currently working that project noted onto the final part of ANY GOOD TRICK (takes sacrifice per Christian Bale's roles statement @ ending of it) will be BSD (TrueOS) porting which will lead to MacOS X build also (BSD foundation there too after all).
APK
P.S.=> 1 day though, IF it does go as you say? "I'm coming YOUR WAY TOO" man - that's my goal to be "Savoir Faire IS 'everywhere'" w/ the program I Noted... apk
I use a P90 on MSDOS 5.0 daily. Our project for the next 4 weeks is to get 3 1992 vintage Sun SPARCs online and usable. And only THREE years ago, we turned off our last PDP11. Now your response is gonna be "you're special, you work for some BS company" etc etc but you'll be wrong. This is the equipment being used to build, test, and debug the F35 by the US gov. We aren't the only base using shit hardware. They all are.
You simply aren't as smart as you think you are.
See subject & try defend youself against your criminal sicko rapsheet here https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=12266978&cid=56843354/ where you blew it on simple tech vs. me instead of stalking me weirdo.
* You destroyed your own life...
APK
P.S.=> You sick miserable wretch... apk
I wouldn't either, but I had to diagnose a PC with an XP1800+ or 2000+ and 768MB RAM running Windows 7. The fix was to install a Windows 2000/XP driver for the Radeon 9200SE and I also copied Unreal Tournament for the fun of seeing something good running at 100 fps.
"Let's gamble by making our device dependent on a part that might or might not be being stockpiled by a third party for a decade" said nobody responsible ever! (Mind you, if they were responsible, would they make a consumer desktop operating system the UI/controller?)
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.