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Venezuela Is Blocking Access To the Tor Network (theverge.com)
An Access Now report finds that Venezuela has blocked all access to the Tor network. "The latest block includes both direct connections to the network and connections over bridge relays, which had escaped many previous Tor blocks," reports The Verge. From the report: According to network metrics, Tor access in Venezuela had recently spiked in response to recent web blocks placed on local news outlets. Unlike previous blocks, the latest restrictions could not be circumvented by using a censorship-resistant DNS server like those provided by Google and CloudFlare. For many Venezuelans, Tor seems to have been the only way left to access the restricted content. "This is the latest escalation in Venezuela's internet censorship efforts, as it blocks higher-profile sites with more sophisticated methods," said Andres Azpurua of Venezuela Inteligente, in a statement provided through Access. "This is one of their boldest internet censorship actions yet."
Isn't Tor supposed to be still uncrackable? And if not, can't the resistance use the Telegram app, which so far has held up against the Iranian religious police?
You're a moron for conflating the two either way though.
Now that the population has no guns to fight back, a socialist retaining power, and propaganda allowed to flourish and not subjected to ridicule...let the executions begin.
Another moron. Please stay off the interstate highways, moron, because that is socialism. And don't be drinking any clean water either. Yep, socialism. I guess you weren't educated, so we can't ask for that investment in you back. Pity.
China is providing all the network hardware to Venezuela for deep packet inspection (among other things) in exchange for no-bid infrastructure projects. That's how they're getting this done.
These "projects" are just the government handing them money for work that never gets done. It's an escape path for the elite once the shit really hits the fan but until then their primary focus is exfiltrating enough resources from Venezuela to maintain their lifestyle.
They shipped these devices to Venezuela about 10 years ago and it's taken the inept government this long to put them in.
It's rumored that they "funded" these infrastructure projects to the tune of $100m but exact numbers are impossible to get as the constituent assembly has ruled that all government contracts are state secrets.
....we thought the Internet (sic) interpreted censorship as damage, and routed around it? My, how times have changed.
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This is why I run a tor relay node. Everytime I hear about something like this, it reminds me that tor is used by people in countries like this to bypass censorship.
OK, I really run it because of the EFF's tor challenge where I got a free T-shirt, but that's the reason I've kept it running after the challenge was over.
people who say that are the same crowd how think bitcoin's going to take down the international banking system. You don't fix oppression by working around it. You treat the root cause, which is poverty that allows desperate people to be organized into violent mobs.
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"In the real human world, we want it better for ourselves, and we'll improve ourselves and our abilities if it helps us to get ahead."
Capitalism is just as problematic as communism and socialism.
Anyway, Venezuela is a democracy.
Yeah! It is well known that Communism is the declared enemy of Socialism. See National Socialism and how those people felt about commies.
Your comment is a non-sequitor.
Socialism...
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
Socialism is about how people and their governments choose to run society as a whole... NOT an interconnected collection of networks, computers, or devices.
Take this article itself for example... is Venezula blocking TOR really a product of "socialism" or is it a product of a dictator taking advantage of a nation full of socialists? There really is a difference!
for the most party society has zero say over how the internet works... just just have a say on where they go on it. You do not get to vote, or tell businesses how they must operate either. You can call up a senator and give them ideas, but that is not really socialism. The moment a small group of people decide the rules Socialism has failed... which means by that virtue a Government "always composed of by a small group of people" cannot be socialist ever. Socialism in actual practice is utopian and much closer to libertarian or anarchy, and I think we all know how well that works based on human history.
A small group of people always want to control the majority and they will do, say, or try to get you to believe in any "ism" they can dream up to get you to go along with it.
Only a true direct democracy has the possibility of being an actual socialist society, and given the number of people on the internet with some serious Dunning-Kruger psychosis going on... well we all know that would be a fast failure!
"Why? Because of people using the facade of a concept to advance their own interests?"
It's not because you fight capitalism's abuses that you become a socialist.
Socialism works just fine. Just ask Norway, Germany, France and Canada. But if you're entire country's basic systems fall apart and the rest of the world decides to punish you with sanctions for no particular reason (besides maybe not liking your system of economics) then no amount of socialism can save you.
LOL except all the countries you list aren't socialist, they just have more government services than the U.S. and less freedoms.
Venezuela isn't dying from sanctions, for heaven's sake they are sitting on the worlds largest verified oil reserves and they can't even provide gas for their own use. That's from the government seizing the means of production and the people who made it work going ok lets see how you operate a refinery.
Or perhaps it was when the government decided to imprison bakers to solve their bread shortage ?
Or maybe it was from the government trying to control the currency exchange rates, so no one could actually pay for any imports ?
no it was the bad old capitalists and their sanctions. / facepalm
I will admit that pure capitalism and socialism don't work. A blend of them seems to work the best, though.
I don't respond to AC's.
While I am not fond of Internet blocking, my understanding is that Venezuela must try to fend fierce psyops attacks from the CIA, that this is one of the tools available.
Remember when Obama declared Venezuela a national security threat? If the CIA does its job correctly, it must be trying to destroy Venezuela state since that time.
"they just have more government services than the U.S. and less freedoms."
Not sure we have "more" services, maybe better or more efficient ones is more accurate.
And on freedoms I'd maybe agree, because it's possible we have less of a freedom to abuse other citizens.
Venezuela's problem isn't socialism, it's government implementing things in the dumbest way possible.
It's funny how some policies are evil socialism when discussing implementing them int the U.S. but "aren't really socialism" when someone points to a successful country that implements them.
Which country ?
Not sure we have "more" services, maybe better or more efficient ones is more accurate.
Really can't formulate a specific response without knowing what you mean by "WE"
Freedoms are easy. All the named nations have certain shortfalls there. Freedom of speech is a nearly non existent right in all the named countries, freedom of association as bad as it has gotten here is still better, the right to defend yourself ? You have judges in Europe trying to force kitchen knives to be duller. Freedom to advance yourself economically ? well the U.S. is number one for economic freedom once again having just beaten Hong Kong.
We are kind of low on the freedom to leach off your fellow citizens though. It's not that we haven't tried it, the Jamestown colony did nearly starved to death, the shakers tried it, theyre gone, the Amana commune tried it, they are an appliance corporation these days. Just never seems to work at best people abandon it as a bad idea, at worst they won't admit the idea is wrong and you get tragedy.
I seriously doubt that access to the entire set of hidden bridge nodes has been blocked. These nodes are not advertised, and I am assuming that they do not appear in the public consensus documents.
The distribution points of the bridge node IP addresses were likely blocked. If and when Tor users find new bridge nodes by some means or other, they will be able to access the network again.
"Have you looked at Ontario finances? We're on the verge of going broke to the same extent as Greece."
Greece has a debt to GDP ration around 180%, and Ontario's is around 40% ?
Communism and socialism work. Just not on humans. Bees and ants do communism fine. Humans have that thing, "thought", that tends to mess with any dogma that it comes in contact with.
Socialism has been seen to work fine at the scale of "tribe" or "village". If you know everyone personally, and everyone can shame slackers, sharing can work OK. People still have an incentive to work hard, too, as everyone knows who's helping out. Probably not ideal, but it has worked for some.
It's the same reason charity works far better from a church or mutual aid society: people have a strong social incentive to stop needing that charity ASAP unless they're seriously disabled.
But all of that collapses as soon as it becomes impersonal. Then it becomes a system to be gamed, and the best at gaming it end up in charge and massively screwing everyone else.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Late-stage socialism strikes again. Venezuela has run out of other people's money.
Thanks for the propaganda. Nice to know Fox & Friends is on /.
Canada for me.
"Freedom of speech is a nearly non existent right in all the named countries, freedom of association as bad as it has gotten here is still better, the right to defend yourself ? "
In Canada I think a lot more people have more freedom to choose better educational opportunities and better medical services, and overall more freedom of choice and accessibility to the services and the means needed for advancement.
"We are kind of low on the freedom to leach off your fellow citizens though"
That depends on perspective, look at disparity levels, the US is way ahead when it comes to higher economic classes leaching on poorer economic classes.
The roads are free for all to use
There is no Magic Road Fairy making free roads, and in fact many governments have public roads maintained and built by government employees.
Communism and socialism fail with humans just the same as capitalism and pretty much any pure 'ism'.
Power accumulates. Checks and balances can slow this, but if there isn't an active effort to deconstruct the accumulation, then all you are doing is slowing the process and the process tends to result in rapid deconstruction of the accumulated power via revolution (whether bloody or not) and the replacement of the old with something that differs only in detail. A kind of boom and bust cycle that only looks like progress.
In the 'real world' people and societies are motivated by a mix of selfishness and altruism; co-operation and competition. Some lean hard one way, some the other. A mix of both, with a dynamic equilibrium seems to produce the most stable forms of government/organisation that results in the best outcomes for the most people.
Socialism and communism can and do work with humans - when it's limited to areas where this is suitable and useful (like infrastructure and utilities or services) and where it's kept in check with regulation or even limited competition. Capitalism works with humans in much the same way - with regulation and oversight, limitations to protect society and by not allowing it in areas where monopolies are harmful or extracting a profit reduces the overall benefit to society. Some communism doesn't scale past the family/neighbourhood. Same with capitalism. Some is only useful at larger scales, but again, needs to be regulated, monitored and kept in check.
Observing that communism/socialism fails is trivial. _Everything_ fails.
No particular reason? What the fuck are you smoking?
This is literally the second google hit for "venezuela sanctions":
Those are very particular reasons.
In Canada I think a lot more people have more freedom to choose better educational opportunities and better medical services
Is that why Florida is a medical tourism destination for Canadians ? Well I guess you have the freedom to leave the country to get yourself healed.
Education ? Hmmm are you saying you have better universities than the U.S. ? because the logical implication if not, is that you have a better chance of picking from worse opportunities.
t depends on perspective, look at disparity levels, the US is way ahead when it comes to higher economic classes leaching on poorer economic classes.
Oh you mean the way your privileged class wrecked Ontario ?
http://business.financialpost....
No problem with that. Unfortunately, Capitalism does not work either. Or in actual fact, having one or a group of morons with big egos and small skill running a country does not work.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Hell Venezuela went from the RICHEST country in south America to the poorest.
Factually untrue.
http://money.cnn.com/2017/07/2...
Sorry if you can't get even the really simple things right, It's not my job to do the work educating you, your parents and teachers obviously wouldn't or couldn't do.
The security products that are now gov to gov, telco, police and mil supporting are much better and at a lower cost than they used to be.
Look at every packet in real time. Is it VPN? Tor? Look at the origin, destination in near real time. VPN, Tor use still stands out.
The trick is for gov to follow their nations users to the destination computer networks. A simple request to that same network in near real time tells a gov/mil what the computer is doing eg Tor, VPN. Drop that connection and block all new connections to the now discovered network.
Map out Tor in real time outside the nation and block it all.
Another trick is to have a front company set up in the EU, USA and any other larger Tor supporting nation.
Map out the network and sent the ip ranges to the mil/gov telco block in real time.
Between a nations own users trying to reach out to Tor and tracking Tor use globally, usage in that one nation can be locked.
The very need for a user to reach out to Tor and have Tor respond in a set way is the part to discover another attempt to use Tor.
The only cost it the real time deep packet inspection and thats a security product most nations with a working telco network can install.
Given the way telco peering works to international networks, its only a few domestic networks to watch over.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
"Have you looked at Ontario finances? We're on the verge of going broke to the same extent as Greece."
Greece has a debt to GDP ration around 180%, and Ontario's is around 40% ?
Ontario is a province and as such doesn't take most of the tax revenues while Greece is a country and as such its national government takes a much larger share of the taxes paid by its citizens. California at its worst point (which only lasted about a year) had about $50B in debt which is a debt to GDP ratio of around 5% which is bad for a US state. So its apples and oranges comparing Greece to Ontario. Certainly any province or state (or other sub-national government) shouldn't have more than about a 10% debt to GDP ratio and that's being very generous (it should probably be about half of that). So Ontario being 40% is certainly quite worrisome.
The real problem with a debt of that size is that you won't possibly be able to pay it back over the duration of the bonds so it will be rolled over. And since the debt to GDP ratio is sky high, those interest rates will be high which causes the debt to be harder to pay off. This causes a vicious cycle of larger debt and higher rates leading to default. This is a bad deal and the World Bank and WTO are often and rightly criticized for trapping poorer countries in this same cycle but in those cases it was the lenders suggesting the loans in the first place. In the case of Ontario (and Greece), they did it to themselves.
"Those that start by burning books, will end by burning men."
Don't let your knee knock you silly when it jerks.
The problem in Venezuela is a corrupt government with a child's understanding of how an economy works. They'd make a mess of things no matter what economic system they tried to implement.
Is that why Florida is a medical tourism destination for Canadians ? Well I guess you have the freedom to leave the country to get yourself healed.
The US has countless people whose only medical treatment is the emergency room. Countless more with insurance programs that won't let them touch the kind of care medical tourists come for. Most the rest our burdened by substantially by our care costing so much compared to the rest of the world. I guess your income is high enough to take advantage of that great care tourists want, congrats. Not being so well off myself, I'd rather have Canada's system.
Oh you mean the way your privileged class wrecked Ontario ?
If you think that's even in the same universe as how the rich exploit people in the US, you really need to move out of that cave.
And universities... sounds like you want to compare top to top, where the picture outside of that is once again very different.
The US is only the best for the most privileged.
they were a third world hell hole until the price of oil spiked. Normally when that happens (a commodity becomes extremely valuable) nothing changes. A violent dictator takes it all for themselves. See the Congo and "Blood Diamonds" for a good example of what usually happens.
What made Venezuela so unique is Hugo Chavez. Instead of killing everyone in his way to claim the oil money for himself he used to it buy his way into the people's hearts, and in the process make the country a first world nation almost overnight.
They needed more time. Corruption was bound to happen. It's like a poor person winning the lottery. They don't know how to manage it. If they can hold onto enough of it for a few generations it becomes a dynasty. But right now it looks like Venezuela just didn't have enough time. Again, if the international community wasn't shitting all over them with sanctions (I suspect at the behest of the ultra rich, who don't like the idea of socialism spreading and biting into their status as God-Kings over mankind) then they might have pulled themselves up.
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So what was
The Soviet Unions problem, Red China's problem, Viet Nam's problem ? Cambodia's Problem ? Nicarauga's Problem ? Cuba's Problem ? East Germany's problem ? Poland's problem, Hungary's problem ? Romania's problem ? Yugoslavia's problem ?
Hell What's California's problem ? They are only slightly leaning that way and have manage to achieve the highest poverty rate in the country.
The same mixed bag as the many poor capitalist countries. Mostly some people being more equal than others (corruption).
It's worth noting that the countries you mention weren't exactly bursting with prosperity before their revolutions either.
California is closer to the middle of the pack in the U.S. Mississippi has the highest rate followed by New Mexico and Louisiana.
If you're not doing anything wrong you shouldn't have anything to hide. I wonder what the government is trying to hide?
Even at the village level it fails. For example, the hippy communes that started up in the 60s rarely made it to the 70s. They all eventually died out. The few people who did the work got tired of trying to get the slackers off their lazy asses and either left or became slackers themselves. Eventually no one was left to do any work.
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Yeah! It is well known that Communism is the declared enemy of Socialism. See National Socialism and how those people felt about commies.
Just as German Socialist politician Julius Leber how the Nazi's felt about Socialists.
Firstly the NSDAP was 'socialist' in the same way the that the Democratic Republic of Korea is 'democratic.' Don't be fooled by branding.
OK, it's not exactly that simple: there was the Strasserian tendency within the NSDAP which could be described as 'socialist', and certainly as 'anti-capitalist.' But remember Hitler personally objected to the inclusion of 'Sozialistische' in the name NSDAP, when the DAP re-branded. At that time, of course, Drexler not Hitler was the head of the party, so Hitler just had to work with the name he got. And it is also true the early DAP and NSDAP policy documents contained socialist-like and anti-capitalist points. However, all that changed once Hitler took over the party, and despite the 'S' being maintained, the party quickly became avowedly anti-Socialist, as Ernst Röhm, among others, was to discover to his peril.
Hitler also became a huge supporter of the giant German corporations, who of all the institutions of German society, were the only significant ones to escape Gleichschaltung (whereas 'Socialism' means, in the first instance, the socialisation of the "means of production"). Unlike the current Venezuelan regime, he knew better than to kill the proverbial goose. To call the Hitler-led NSDAP "Socialist" is simply wrong.
Secondly, far from Communism being the "declared enemy of Socialism," note that Communist Parties, where they have come to power, have generally set up "Socialist Republics." You may recall the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics centred around Russia, which was, throughout much of the C20th, a not insignificant state run by a nominally 'Communist' party. Why?
Because according to Marxist theory, Socialism was the transitional state required for the accomplishment of Communism. Thus a Capitalist revolution (from Feudalism) was necessary to establish modern productive forces and create both the wealth necessary to enable Socialism and the Communism to be born, and also to create the industrial working class, who would be humanity's saviour.
Socialism, for which Marx described the distribution of wealth as "to each according to their contribution," was supposed to be a state run by this working class (the 'universal' class, for owning nothing they did not have the interest in out competing any other concern, as capitalists were doomed to do), which was to pave the way for Communism, where humanity reached a social adulthood where the apparatus of the 'State' was no longer necessary, and the state simply faded away. The distribution in this stateless Communist society was instead to be "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs" (ie. FOSS extended to all goods and services in society). And note needs also includes that which allows people to express their ability, so, to stretch out the FOSS conceit: society would see to it that software developers are supplied with hardware concomitant to their requirements as well as an lmitless supply of Mountain Dew and Krispy Kreme Doughnuts (or Peoples Dew and Peoples Doughnuts as they would then be called ;).
In any case, I'm not entirely convinced Venezuela is on this ineluctable road to paradise.
Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
Venezuela was the richest country in south America.
All the eastern block countries were very prosperous before communism and managed to become rather well off after communism.
The LA Times disagrees with you
http://www.latimes.com/opinion...
Tell me when you say shit that's this wrong do the people you count your friends help you out ? or do they let you persist ?
Thank you for your reasoned reply. I particularly like the use of 'moron'. Very classy.
My first sentence makes it clear that I'm generalising about all systems. Making a distinction between communism and socialism may be useful in a different context, but here it's pure pedantry.
That 'socialism has never been implemented' is a form of the 'no true scotsman' fallacy. Meaningful observations can be made from attempts to implement socialism, from elements of other forms of government that have had strong socialist elements and from limited implementations of socialism either in terms of scale or scope.
Your 'argument' uses the 'true socialism has never been implemented' phrase which is usually used to dismiss a criticism of socialism. You apparently lack the ability to do more than ape the form and deliver an ad-hominem in passing. You've managed to pack name calling, an ad-hominem and a criticism of tone into one sentence. That's the bottom three in terms of Paul Grahams hierarchy of disagreement. An impressive performance.
How about you make a contribution to the discussion and criticise the idea I expressed, or offer one of your own?
North Korea is a Democracy is says so in the name and people vote every 4 to 5 years
You DO know that was an editorial, yes?
The actual document from the Census bureau says otherwise.
Time to put the cool aid down.
Freedoms are easy.
No they'e not. You're getting dangerously close to "freedoms are only what's explicitly listed in the constitution".
It's kind of amusing that the country with the highest incarceration rate in the world continually trumpets about "how free" it is.
You have judges in Europe trying to force kitchen knives to be duller.
No you don't.
Go dig out proof for that, I'll wait. ...
OK, well done! You found the Daily Fail article on a retiring judge who as a private citizen in his retirement speech said he thought it would be a good idea.
Freedom to advance yourself economically ? well the U.S. is number one for economic freedom once again having just beaten Hong Kong.
Economic freedom: if you start rich, you can get richer easily! For the other 99% social mobility is the rather better measure and the US is about on a par with the UK in that regard, much worse than the scandinavian countries. There if you're born poor you're much more able to do something about it.
The best freedom isn't much use if it's only afforded to those who can pay.
We are kind of low on the freedom to leach off your fellow citizens though.
Unles you're a company! Somehow you've arranged a system where your healthcare costs over twice as much as other developed nations and has worst outcomes in for mose cases. And the insurance companies are massively profitable.
Oh and then you have those massively profitable monopoly telcos with poor services which have managed to legally ban reasonable competition in many places.
And so on and so forth. There's plenty of leeching in the US, and a lot of it is done by companies.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
Re wanting Canada's system ? The closer we get to Canada's system the faster our costs go up.
That's some staggering incompetence then: adopting the healthcare of a country with much cheaper healthcare already and fining it's even more expensive than the current most expensive system in the world.
Sounds like you need to learn how to take responsibility for your problems.
Yeah if you're born poor you should take responsibility, vote with your wallet and buy better parents next time. You deserve to suffer for your short sighte stupidity! #MAGA
SJW n. One who posts facts.
The problem in Venezuela is a corrupt government with a child's understanding of how an economy works.
Right. That poor understanding of where growing prosperity comes from is called "socialism."
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Communism and socialism fail with humans just the same as capitalism and pretty much any pure 'ism'.
It should however, be noted that whilst Communism has been tried and failed, a pure capitalist state has never even gotten of the ground.
There was an effort to create a "Galts Gulch" in Chile around 2010 but none of the Libertarian business geniuses who invested in it could manage to get that it was a scam... Most of them are now trying to get their money back from a developing nation that doesn't have a functioning justice system.
But your point stands, any extremist government is ultimately doomed to fail. They require people to be too rational, to all have the same wants, the same needs, to produce the same output, to all believe in the same thing. Despite being very much diametrically opposed philosophies, Nazism and Stalinism shared one aspect in common because they had to, authoritarianism. The only way the state could maintain power was via brutal suppression of opposition because people believed in different things, had different wants and needs and lets face it, aren't rational.
Almost all successful countries are mixed economy democracies because for all their flaws, this is the only system we have that works. It works because its flexible enough to be robust in a world of irrational, different people.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
In Canada I think a lot more people have more freedom to choose better educational opportunities and better medical services
Is that why Florida is a medical tourism destination for Canadians ? Well I guess you have the freedom to leave the country to get yourself healed.
For elective surgery.... Canadians go to Florida to get cheap tit jobs. You tit.
Lots of Americans go to the Philippines or Thailand for dental work... I guess that's damning proof that two developing nations have better medical systems than the US, right?
OTOH, Canada has US citizens trying to claim Canadian citizenship to get basic medical care.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
Socialism has been seen to work fine at the scale of "tribe" or "village".
Though it never produced things like antibiotics, refrigeration, or steam engines. And at the tribal/village level, it only ever "works" when there is a strong authoritative figure who can brandish the threat of violence if someone isn't pulling their weight, and that person (and inevitably that person's sub-tribe) always end up living more equally than others. You know, for the good of everyone else. Same old story.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
In other words, it annoys you that he's correct, so all you've got is some lazy ad hominem and snark in an effort to distract from the reality you're trying to wish away.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Observing that communism/socialism fails is trivial. _Everything_ fails.
Yet, strangely, we have toilet paper and they don't.
Try again
http://www.dailycal.org/2017/1...
You have judges in Europe trying to force kitchen knives to be duller.
No you don't.
Go dig out proof for that, I'll wait. ...
OK, well done! You found the Daily Fail article on a retiring judge who as a private citizen in his retirement speech said he thought it would be a good idea..
:blink: Why that's even better than fake but accurate, you went for true but false and you'll act like the attitude wasn't there while he was a sitting judge.
Bravo
The rest are equally insane.
Re wanting Canada's system ? The closer we get to Canada's system the faster our costs go up.
That's some staggering incompetence then: adopting the healthcare of a country with much cheaper healthcare already and fining it's even more expensive than the current most expensive system in the world.
Nahh that's what happens when we actually do the research that develops new drug treatments instead of just denying them to the populace.
Try again. Need an MRI in Canada ? get ready to wait 6 months. Need the services of an Oncologist ? You are likely a little too expensive to save.
"Try again. Need an MRI in Canada ? get ready to wait 6 months."
Depends what its for. I've seen wait times from the same day to 6 months. But like in the US you can also have one without waiting for anything if they can pay for it.
"Need the services of an Oncologist ? You are likely a little too expensive to save."
What do you mean?
"Has been seen to work" is not the same as "always works". However, social pressure is much more effective than threat of violence for most people in most situations. The exceptions - people who are truly psychopathic or sociopath - are pretty rare. Even then, the threat historically seems to have been ejection from the tribe, not violence.
You can't really rule by threat of violence in small communal living situations anyhow - you have to sleep sometime. Other apes seem to have similar tribal situations - e.g. chimpanzees are quite violent in general, but leaders who try to rule by force get killed off pretty quick.
But of course, those kind of social enforcement mechanisms only work because they're actually social - people you spend time with every day. Impersonal socialism simply has no such mechanism to make it work, so there's only violence available.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Wow. You just blamed Venezuela's failures on Capitalism. BTW you left out the influence of the illuminati. Be sure to get that one in next time.
I agree.
I think I was reacting to another comment and posted here be mistake.
you went for true but false
I guess you're a rightwinger then. true but false, lol! A true fact but it's false because it disagrees with your ideaology. You must be a Trump supporter!
I bet you think your story was "false but true" as in you were rampantly making shit up but it sounds right so it must be true.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
I said "In Canada I think a lot more people have more freedom to choose better educational opportunities and medical services"
You said "Is that why Florida is a medical tourism destination for Canadians ?"
No, I'm referring to the clearly higher percentage of individuals living in Canada who can access most medical services.
You said "Education ? Hmmm are you saying you have better universities than the U.S. ? because the logical implication if not, is that you have a better chance of picking from worse opportunities.
No, I'm saying that more people in Canada have access to good educational opportunities after high school.
I said "It depends on perspective, look at disparity levels, the US is way ahead when it comes to higher economic classes leaching on poorer economic classes.
You said "Oh you mean the way your privileged class wrecked Ontario ?
Yes. I also think in the US the 'privileged' 'leach off their fellow citizens' to a high degree, and considering the higher disparity in the US I'm suggesting the leaching (from higher levels) is more intense too.
It's amazing what happens to any country that decides the challenge the financial hegemony. If Venezuela was standing at the edge of the precipice, our betters would be sure to give them the extra push that's needed.
At the very least, now they can point to the mangled corpse and righteously proclaim "See? This is why our way is best!"
What the fuck are you talking about? The ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation ranks the US 18th in economic freedom in their 2018 rankings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
And the libertarian Fraser Institute ranks the US at 16th, in it's last published ranking.
Are you reading the Breitbart Ranking of MAGA Economic Freedom? Because if you don't bring a serious source in a minute, I'm gonna start saying that you're completely full of shit.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Are you reading the Breitbart Ranking of MAGA Economic Freedom? Because if you don't bring a serious source in a minute, I'm gonna start saying that you're completely full of shit.
No worries everybody says you're full of shit Ratzo.
You might try searching with words that are synonymous with freedom in an economic context and from sources whose focus is business not politics. Like maybe try Bloomberg news instead of the Heritage Foundation. Just a thought as most people go to the Heritage foundation to find political opinion.
Oh what the hell the strain of thinking might cause you to explode
https://www.bloomberg.com/news...
Sorry just not an idiot who thinks socialism is going to magically make things right for people that fail at life.
You libs are really something else. You prefer something called the "Switzerland-based IMD World Competitiveness Center" over the all-American Heritage Foundation, made up of actual conservatives.
Maybe you should move to Switzerland with all the rest of the globalists, snowflake.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I actually wouldn't mind Switzerland. Very nice clean country. They don't tolerate people shitting on the sidewalks or harassing tourists with needles. Seeing as I speak the language it wouldn't be too difficult to move there.
And by "clean", you mean, "white". I've got you *winks*.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Well you got something. I'd say syphilis but lets face it, you would have to get out of the basement and appeal to a woman to contract it. Or in your case some sort of prepubescent otherkin.
Huh, I hadn't heard that one before.
It emerges pretty clearly even just from the narrative in Chapter 1 of the Manifesto,:
The bourgeoisie, historically, has played a most revolutionary part. ... The bourgeoisie, during its rule of scarce one hundred years, has created more massive and more colossal productive forces than have all preceding generations together. Subjection of Nature's forces to man, machinery, application of chemistry to industry and agriculture, steam-navigation, railways, electric telegraphs, clearing of whole continents for cultivation, canalisation of rivers, whole populations conjured out of the ground ... But with the development of industry the proletariat not only increases in number; it becomes concentrated in greater masses, its strength grows, and it feels that strength more. The various interests and conditions of life within the ranks of the proletariat are more and more equalised, in proportion as machinery obliterates all distinctions of labour, and nearly everywhere reduces wages to the same low level. ... What the bourgeoisie, therefore, produces, above all, is its own grave-diggers.
So if you assume that late-stage capitalism degrades from frontier entrepreneurship to what is essentially market feudalism where a small handful of companies control sectors of the economy and have walled themselves in with sufficient barriers to entry and regulatory capture, then is it fair to assume that Marx would argue we need a revolution to simply go BACK to captialism? Or would he argue that the wealth is there, so captialism has done it's job, so choo-choo it's socialism time?
Nice question. I'm not. by any means, a scholar of Marx, but I've read a little, so I'll attempt to field it.
Firstly, if you will allow me this platitude, Marx was a man of his time, responding to the world as he found it, so we cannot really know what \ he would have argued had he seen contemporary conditions. He clearly did advocate revolution towards capitalism where it didn't exist! So for example, and this would/does upset our contemporary 'post-colonialist,' he wrote in support of French colonialism in Nth Africa as being an advance over what he saw as the theocratic tribalism of the Barbary coast. (Sorry, I can't recall the reference, I believe it was in a letter he wrote someone). He also, in communication with Russian radicals, dismissed the idea the Russia could stage a Socialist revolution (which led Lenin to revise Marx with his theory of 'Imperialism,' thus Marxism-Leninism), arguing that it was really mainly the US and England who were near enough advanced to accomplish this.
But more directly to your question. I think though we need to be careful of the use of "market feudalism" here. By 'feudalism' we (historians, lawyers and probably Marx) would usually understand, as a kind of idealised model, the social arrangement where land is parcelled out by a superior Lord to his vassal Lords (eg. King -> Baron -> Lords), but otherwise that land is inalienable (cannot be bought or sold) and where the resident population (serfs) are bound to that land, unable simply to leave it (though escape routes like becoming a soldier existed in practice). Similarly in the towns (burghs), the burghers are constrained almost by birth to follow certain vocations, which are tightly restricted in size etc by the guild system (the spillage ending up in monasteries). For (non-aristocratic) women, of course, social position would be even more restricted.
Marx' insight was that each stage of economic development (which then created a particular kind of society and person), at first represented an advance of productive capacity over the previous, but that eventually the very aspects which originally recommended a system because "fetters on production" and thus change would ensue. If you like check out the
Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
Sorry just not an idiot
No you really are because you think "true but false" is a thing.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
No you really are because you think "true but false" is a thing.
No but you are proving yourself ignorant
You need to talk to Dan Rather, Rolling Stone, and Time Magazine about their editorial choices.
Or maybe you are happy with reporters faking documents, making up crimes wholesale, and inventing stuff up wholesale. Come to think of it, that offers a great explanation of why you defend communism and somehow think it will actually benefit you.
You're just thrashing around avoiding the point.
Your claim about knives and judges was flat out wrong. Own your mistake.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
You're just thrashing around avoiding the point.
Your claim about knives and judges was flat out wrong. Own your mistake.
Own your ignorance he wasn't the first or the only
As of today (June 28, 2018 1630 gmt-4) TOR is working for me in TAILS 3.6 on a Vbox VM
Yes, not the most secure configuration, but I am busy with a few things rigth now, no BW to Torrent 3.8, and not rich to have multiple machines.
Every Time I torrent the latest version of TAILS, I take the time to fire up the VM, and connect to TOR, just to practice.
TOR and TAILS, not being the most user-friendly things to set up, give me grief each time I change version. Maybe that'spart of the problem that the other guys reported...
The other part is that the guys at CANTV (the government main ISP) have been conducting "internet censorship" experiments for weeks now (DNS blocks, HTTP filtering, DoS,). Highly uncoordinated, and semi-random... but Still....
Also, and this is anecdotic: Ping times to 8.8.8.8 have gone (at least for me) from a reasonable 90ms to a woping 150ms. Wonder what is being done with my packets those extra 60ms. Will ask some contacts (I was technical trainer for cloud computing to some of those guys, and have my fair share of contacts in Vz Telecoms Companies)
Having said that, for the time being, a change of DNS and a VPN is a the moment enough to evade most blocks (Unless you are a high value target).
Anyway, just to say that TOR is back to normal (if it ever was out).
PS: Not anon coward, because my position is widely known, here and elsewhere (and in meatspace too), no point in hiding it now.
*** Suerte a todos y Feliz dia!
Own your ignorance he wasn't the first or the only
If in doubt, make shit up. #MAGA
SJW n. One who posts facts.
If in doubt, make shit up.
The left's motto for a hundred plus years.
Still not as good as yours what is it again ?
"what you don't know is whatever you want it to be ?"
Still not as good as yours what is it again ?
I've no idea what you think my motto is, but I have a feeling you're about to channel yours and just make something up...
"what you don't know is whatever you want it to be ?"
Well what do you know? My prediction was 100% correct!
Now just admit you were wrong about the whole knife thing!
SJW n. One who posts facts.
This is the most intelligent and succinct comment on Slashdot I’ve ever read. If I had mod points, I’d give em to you, but instead you’ll have to settle for this compliment, and that I’m copying this into my “slashdot wisdom” note in Google Keep. :)