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Orlando Police End Test of Amazon's Real-Time Facial 'Rekognition' System (npr.org)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from NPR: The city of Orlando, Fla., says it has ended a pilot program in which its police force used Amazon's real-time facial recognition -- a system called "Rekognition" that had triggered complaints from rights and privacy groups when its use was revealed earlier this year. Orlando's deal to open part of its camera systems to Amazon was reported by NPR's Martin Kaste in May, after the ACLU noticed that an Amazon Rekognition executive mentioned the city as a customer.

On Monday, the ACLU of Florida wrote a letter to Mayor Buddy Dyer and the Orlando City Council, demanding that the city "immediately" shut down "any face surveillance deployment or use by city agencies and departments." On the same day, Orlando city and police officials issued a joint statement saying that the test of how its officers might use the Rekognition technology ended last week. The city added, "Staff continues to discuss and evaluate whether to recommend continuation of the pilot at a further date," adding that "the contract with Amazon remains expired."
Orlando police say the test was limited to only a fraction of the city's cameras, and that the system was tested by tracking its own officers. The Rekognition deal with Orlando caused a stir after Ranju Das, the head of the Rekognition unit, said in early May: "City of Orlando is a launch partner of ours. It's a smart city; they have cameras all over the city. The authorized cameras are then streaming the data [...] we are a subscriber to the stream, we analyze the video in real time, search against the collection of faces that they have."

94 comments

  1. Should have just followed NY by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Informative

    Gone for a Domain Awareness System v2.0.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
    Get that "track people within seconds" and years of quality.

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    1. Re:Should have just followed NY by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      I did enjoy the TV show, but I'm not particularly happy that they've been trying to implement it in the real world.

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    2. Re:Should have just followed NY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cameras used for facial recognition are only part of the "awareness system" . The camera is the part of the system easily observed and assimilated by people. The most dangerous component of the system being put into place for tracking are the photon emitters. More and more you will see those lined up next to the cameras (actually, they're so small they can be IN the cameras).

      The photon emitters enable (less than) one foot resolution of your whereabouts for about 20-25 minutes after you pass thru the intersection. So, they'll know who you are (facial) - and where you go (emitters). Also being put in commercial establishments.

    3. Re:Should have just followed NY by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Do you even know what photons are?

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    4. Re:Should have just followed NY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Photons are quantum units of energy. Some people think that light=photons, but light is a narrow range of photon wavelengths. Photons are emitted by any body over the temperature of absolute zero. The photons I refer to are in the infrared band, where all of the quantum computing work is happening. If your internet is fiber optic powered, then the photons I refer to are in that vicinity. Unlike most of the photons powering your internet, the stop light photons have a characteristic known as "entanglement"

      Other than that I don't know much about photons.

    5. Re:Should have just followed NY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note that I don't have any information that say's Orlando is doing this, but they definitely are doing it other places.

  2. Oh great by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    So NOW who is going to catch the terrorists? Amazon is your friend, citizen.

    1. Re: Oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump will catch them. With his (little) bear hands.

    2. Re: Oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >small hands

      lololol it never gets old

    3. Re: Oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a non American, I thought everyone in the US has the right to bear arms?

    4. Re:Oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't care about terrorists. They only care which celebrity or public figure was seeing leaving from which apartment after a birthday buttsex session. We are still paying the Abrahamic price. The correction to this state of the society doesn't happen overnight, though.

    5. Re:Oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't care about terrorists OR buttsexing celebs. It's always been about identifying "dissidents" at popular protests. It's about building a list of activists for "enhanced monitoring".

    6. Re: Oh great by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Pretty sure it is "arm bears", not "bear arms".

    7. Re: Oh great by desdinova+216 · · Score: 2

      I thought it "bare arms" the founders were fans of sleeveless shirts

  3. Face database... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Be a shame if someone hacked it and put the faces of the Mayor, city selectmen, and some local cops in there as "persons of interest."

    1. Re:Face database... by chemish · · Score: 2

      Why would that be a shame? It says right there in the summary that is exactly what they did. "the system was tested by tracking its own officers"

    2. Re: Face database... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost like they did this responsibly. Of course the ACLU went apeshit with no wrongdoing.

    3. Re: Face database... by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Almost like they did this responsibly. Of course the ACLU went apeshit with no wrongdoing.

      You consider violating the 4th Amendment no wrongdoing?

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
  4. Oh, FUCK YES! Fashion is gonna be CYBERPUNK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Luckily there already exist Fashions that defeat recognition systems. Just change your look every day. Or put some InfraRed LEDs in your hat. Until all the cool kids are wearing CV-evasive cyberpunk fashion just change your style from time to time. It's as easy as putting on a baseball cap or turning on/off its LEDs.

  5. Why come you don't have a tattoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why not tattoo a number on everyone's forehead and be done with it? Something like 666-something something something... Even people 2000 years ago saw this coming.

    1. Re:Why come you don't have a tattoo? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Why Come You Don't Have A Tattoo?

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    2. Re: Why come you don't have a tattoo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How Tattoo Not Only For Me But Also Us?

    3. Re:Why come you don't have a tattoo? by GrokvL · · Score: 1

      Unscannable!

  6. news flash. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fucking dorks,
    wasn't this posted earlier??

    moving past that,
    new flash, the sun will set, the moon will rise. More at 11:00, when it's dark..

    what about WestField Shopping malls, like Valley Fair???

    will they stop as well?

  7. LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And Big Ugly Fat Fucker Trump Conspired With Pussy Putin To Steal An Election!

  8. This tech's going to happen sooner or later by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you're worried about oppression the solution is to start taking power away from people. And that means money. A ruling class uses oppression to keep a disproportionate amount of wealth for themselves. They use poverty and economic stress to keep the working class at each other's throats. How else can 1% of the population claim 50-90% of the wealth and get away with it? Money is power. Real freedom comes when we've guaranteed everyone's access to food, shelter, healthcare, education & transportation (the latter being needed to access the former). Until you do that you're one demagogue away from an angry mob, either joining it or being killed by it.

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    1. Re:This tech's going to happen sooner or later by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      Rousseau was right.

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    2. Re:This tech's going to happen sooner or later by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We are all being oppressed by this technology. Watching people naturally has a chilling effect on their interactions. It's one of the reasons so many people leave small towns for the anonymity of the big city.

      Sure, authoritarian governments already do ti. And so do factories. Both of those... seem bad and should be stopped. Not expanded.

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    3. Re:This tech's going to happen sooner or later by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Rousseau was right.

      French snowflake. Hobbs was right and science proves it

      Science shows Thomas Hobbes was right – which is why the Right-wing rule the Earth

    4. Re:This tech's going to happen sooner or later by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are seriously clueless. Oppression does not mean being whipped during forced labour. Thought/behaviour control is the real oppression. And it's tech like this that makes it easier than ever.

      Anonymity does not mean not being filmed by camera's. People left for the city to escape their family or small towns where social control forced them to behave in a certain way .

      In europe, the catholic church was the tool for oppression for centuries. through weekly confession. In the future, it's Amazon logging everything you buy, read, watch and move

    5. Re:This tech's going to happen sooner or later by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      guaranteed everyone's access to food, shelter, healthcare, education & transportation

      Which can only be achieved through slavery. No free lunch is a law of the universe

    6. Re:This tech's going to happen sooner or later by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      But people don't leave small towns to go to cities for anonymity (there's fucking CCTV camera's everywhere). they leave because rural economies are dried up.

      Rural economies are dried up because the people that tend to get hired don't deserve a job anywhere. I cannot conceive of how the people I see in retail get jobs when I know for a fact that more useful workers are out of work, except that their employers want people they can abuse and those people have demonstrated a willingness to sit still for it.

      You know what hiring criteria those people are using? Personal, not professional. And that kind of shit is why people move out of a small town.

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    7. Re:This tech's going to happen sooner or later by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who is being oppressed here? Criminals? Persons of interest? Missing children? Wandering and lost alzheimer's patients? Illegal immigrants? Violent protestors? Customers? Who exactly is being oppressed by technology that's already being used in other parts of the world, at airports, at factories, etc. Could it be abused? Sure, but what's new about that?

      Yes, all of those people, and everybody else too. I guess you don't mind someone constructing a guillotine over your head, as long as the blade doesn't come down.

    8. Re:This tech's going to happen sooner or later by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      guaranteed everyone's access to food, shelter, healthcare, education & transportation

      Which can only be achieved through slavery. No free lunch is a law of the universe

      You're soaking in it! Don't think you're a slave? Quit your job or close your business. That will show you who your master is.

    9. Re:This tech's going to happen sooner or later by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Which can only be achieved through the same taxes that pay for the services libertarians hypocritically enjoy

      FTFY

      No free lunch is a law of the universe

      A phrase commonly repeated by libertarians, who commonly ignore the fact that living in a first-world civilization isn't free.

    10. Re:This tech's going to happen sooner or later by Uberbah · · Score: 2

      Rural economies are dried up because the people that tend to get hired don't deserve a job anywhere. I cannot conceive of how the people I see in retail get jobs when I know for a fact that more useful workers are out of work, except that their employers want people they can abuse and those people have demonstrated a willingness to sit still for it.

      Maybe they have developed a spider-sense for elitist snobs, and you're getting the level of service you deserve? Then there's the fact you get what you pay for.

    11. Re:This tech's going to happen sooner or later by Grand+Facade · · Score: 1

      Neither is right, Hobbs is really off because "civilized" invokes some utopian principals that don't exist.
      It's a little white lie that we live in a civilized society.
      It's a lie each of us tells ourselves every day

      If there was true equality there would be no Cast like divisions.
      As power is amassed the ruling class herds the obedient into corrals that serve the ruling class "for the greater good".

      Civilization, as what we nave been trained to enjoy, works to ensure the right folks stay in power.
      It cares little for the guy at the bottom of the pyramid only that he carries his weight.

      As proof, in an upset, win an election defeating a candidate that was bought and paid for, and watch the shit storm that blows your way.
      Or express a different view and see how long it takes for the IRS to shove a microscope up your ass.
      That's how we do it "civilized".

      The native American Indians were civilized, look where that got them.

      "Sick of the lies."

      --
      Rick B.
  9. ACLU "demands" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ACLU: We DEMAND you immediately shut down your face recognition system!

    City of Orlando: Uh, yeah, we already did that last week when we finished up our pilot program.

    ACLU: Well...Ok, then.

  10. Re:Oh, FUCK YES! Fashion is gonna be CYBERPUNK! by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    AC the systems and networks of public and private CCTV will track all people by their movement patterns.
    From a dwelling to transport. Using transport to a place of education, work. To find food. Back to education, work.
    Return to the dwelling. Gait and the story of a persons life will fill in the details.
    A person thats not allowing their face to be measured by CCTV in real time will fill in the missing details when they go to study, work.
    The transport they have registered and use. The dwelling to live at.

    One by one the people who are not easy to get an ID from using CCTV and a face will be tracked back over their day.
    The state and gov has all the time it needs given that so few people will be active in avoiding CCTV detection.

    Say a person who is not easy to ID walks back to a dwelling. Who owns the dwelling? Rent? No rent? Got some city permits?
    What bank accounts are listed from that dwelling? Any city, state, mil, federal ID in the past?
    Federal or state support payments?
    A dwelling with one person "registered" 10 people not registered walk in and out over 24 hours? Every day for months? Shift work?
    Patterns will be all a city, state, federal gov will need to play back the movements anyone who wont give a clear face for CCTV ID.
    Back to their RV, tent city, shared rented "dwelling".

    As a society move away from cash and to online banking links to a dwelling, rent, spending patterns can get more direct.
    Illegal migrants will have move around in CCTV areas to spend "cash". Illegal migrants have to then set up normal working bank accounts to stay hidden.
    Such bank accounts spending patterns and no CCTV of the person who resisted the account using that account then stand out.
    A different person using the CC, bank account all the time? The few people who don't get a face ID every time using a service?

    City has some permits to remove a dwelling and build a new dwelling.
    City puts up CCTV along that road.
    Every person on that road used for that project will get a face ID along that road.

    Try and hide and that person is tracked back.
    Any new offer of working for a day for "cash" become bait :)
    Think the FBI is the only police who can network a pole camera the night before a city permit is ready for a front company?

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  11. BSD's final fatal voyage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BSD Crossing the Bar

    Sunset and evening star,
    And one clear call for me!
    And may there be no moaning of the bar,
    When BSD puts out to sea,

    But such a tide as moving seems asleep,
    Too full for sound and foam,
    When that which drew from out the boundless deep
    Turns again home.

    Twilight and evening bell,
    And after that the dark!
    And may there be no sadness of farewell,
    When BSDs embark;

    For tho' from out our bourne of Time and Place
    The flood may bear me far,
    I hope to see my Pilot face to face
    When BSD has crost the bar.

  12. Next step lip reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Florida? Well the obvious next step on that is they'd implement lip reading and detect language.

    Even the road stops in New England Interstate 95 to check immigration status... costly, require people, why not use Amazon's cost saving surveillance on those busses CCTV camera instead? Detect words ending "ayyyy" to flag Canadians.

    And of course Amazon will detect "Spanish" and words like "border", "family" and so on as potential illegal immigrant indicators in Florida.

    Before you think that would never happen, did you ever think they'd take kids away to concentration camps and claim they were doing 'God's work' and start quoting the bible to justify it?

    1. Re:Next step lip reading by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >Before you think that would never happen, did you ever think they'd take kids away to concentration camps and claim they were doing 'God's work' and start quoting the bible to justify it?

      Eh, not gonna worry about that unless "they" start throwing the kids into ovens. Meanwhile those kids can enjoy their air conditioned concentration camps.

    2. Re:Next step lip reading by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Eh, not gonna worry about that unless "they" start throwing the kids into ovens. Meanwhile those kids can enjoy their air conditioned concentration camps.

      Oh, come off it. You won't care then either.

      At least today the Nazis among us feel free enough to self-identify.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
  13. A way around this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Those pushing for these atrocities upon freedom, privacy and human rights will stop so long as they draw breath.
    You want to stop this, everyone working towards it must be prevented from continuing to breathe. They *will not stop* without force, which is why they make using force to stop them illegal.

    1. Re: A way around this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also you: Take away guns from citizens!

      Hypocrisy is a hilarious thing.

  14. So they say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I wonder if they really are stopping the "pilot". It's not like anyone will know one way or another.

  15. Air conditioned concentration camps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Eh, not gonna worry about that unless "they" start throwing the kids into ovens. Meanwhile those kids can enjoy their air conditioned concentration camps."

    Ahh, so its OK then. I thought they were taking children away from their mothers and keeping them in overcrowded makeshift prisons under armed guard, but now you mention there's airconditioning that makes it super OK.

    Why it almost does sound like God's work! I can see now why the religious right are strangely silent..

    I'll just turn on 'Fox and Friends' and not speak out. OOo look, poor Trump is a victim of something again, its good that Fox and Friends speaks out for that poor poor man. It's probably those damn socialists, trade unionists and Jews picking on him again....

    1. Re:Air conditioned concentration camps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >'ll just turn on 'Fox and Friends' and not speak out.
      that's a good idea. get that high blood pressure lowered. relax.

      > OOo look, poor Trump is a victim of something again, its good that Fox and
      Friends speaks out for that poor poor man.

      somebody in the media should try and be respectful of our President.

      > It's probably those damn socialists, trade unionists and Jews picking on him again....

      LOL. Trump's staffers get hounded from restaurants and you lefties still think he's Hitler incarnate. But who am i to dissuade you from your paranoid belief in your persecution at the tiny hands of the Great Orange One? Have fun storming the castle, kid.

    2. Re:Air conditioned concentration camps? by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      somebody in the media should try and be respectful of our President.

      Respect is earned, not given. And he's got a long way to go. Any residual respect the office of the President held he long ago squandered.

      LOL. Trump's staffers get hounded from restaurants and you lefties still think he's Hitler incarnate.

      Sanders gets kicked out of a restaurant and now she's getting Secret Service protection. Meanwhile, in his campaign rallies Trump told people he would pay for the defense for any supporter who beats up and throws out a protester (fun fact: he didn't). Trumpers (it's not even fair to call them Republicans) demand civility towards Trump but don't demand or expect civility from him or themselves in return.

      I kept my soul in 2016. How much did you sell yours for?

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    3. Re: Air conditioned concentration camps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I proudly voted for him. I will vote for him again.

      I support what he is doing.

    4. Re:Air conditioned concentration camps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I kept my soul in 2016.
      By voting for Hillary? hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha

    5. Re: Air conditioned concentration camps? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I proudly voted for him. I will vote for him again.
      I support what he is doing.

      Did you get your brown shirt back from the cleaners, you Nazi coward? I notice you didn't log in, because you lack the courage of your convictions. Why don't you run along and burn crosses somewhere else?

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    6. Re:Air conditioned concentration camps? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      HIllary vs Putin made it pretty much a no-brainer.

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    7. Re:Air conditioned concentration camps? by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      >I kept my soul in 2016. By voting for Hillary? hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha

      Johnson. See my sig. There are always more than 2 options.

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      The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
    8. Re:Air conditioned concentration camps? by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      LOL. Trump's staffers get hounded from restaurants and you lefties still think he's Hitler incarnate.

      Well, why do you think they're being hounded out of restaurants? Turns out actions have consequences, even for God-fearing people like Sarah Sanders. Some of us can see what's right in front of our faces. I can't make you see what you don't want to see.

      --
      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
    9. Re: Air conditioned concentration camps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I proudly voted for him. I will vote for him again.

      I support what he is doing.

      Oh, yes, I have no doubt. After all, stupid is as stupid does. I am reminded of George Carlin who said, "Think of how stupid the average person is. Now realize that half of them are stupider than that!" We're speeding towards Idiocracy, and you're mashing the gas. I'll have a chuckle if you ever realize that Trump doesn't care about you, and you've been had. You may never realize it, but it will be fun if you do.

    10. Re: Air conditioned concentration camps? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Here I'm logged in. I didn't get a chance to vote because of shady registrars at dmv changing information. But if things keep up how they are I will go to city hall to re register with true information, and I will vote for him in 2020.

    11. Re: Air conditioned concentration camps? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      But if things keep up how they are I will go to city hall to re register with true information,

      Unlike the false information you used last time? Too cowardly then, too?

      and I will vote for him in 2020.

      Why do you support abuse of human rights? You think you're better than human, or you're just too stupid to recognize that abusing others' rights means your rights can be abused just as easily? There's no third way.

      You're a racist who supports rape.

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    12. Re: Air conditioned concentration camps? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Unlike the false information you used last time? Too cowardly then, too?

      So you're accusing me of being a fraud? The scumbags at the DMV CHANGED half of the information on my registration sheet, which caused errors(?!) in the registration system so it got rejected. from the lady's mouth at City Hall.

      You're a racist who supports rape.

      coming from the person who has basically told me in the past that minoritys are too stupid to get an ID. You're rich, also a piece of shit. Thanks for playing. People like you are why we have trump in office I would hope you have realized that by now and maybe tried to change things, not double down on the made up insults.

    13. Re: Air conditioned concentration camps? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      So you're accusing me of being a fraud?

      Correct.

      coming from the person who has basically told me in the past that minoritys are too stupid to get an ID.

      Cite the place where I did that, or GFY.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    14. Re: Air conditioned concentration camps? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      No time for your trolling antics. How about dig through your own shit stained comments to find it.

    15. Re: Air conditioned concentration camps? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      No time for your trolling antics. How about dig through your own shit stained comments to find it.

      I'll just mark you down as "poor loser" and move on with my life accordingly, thanks. Everyone around here trusts that if you don't provide a citation, it never happened. Sometimes that's an inconvenience, but when dealing with an amateur troll like you, it's a blessing.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  16. Has this been approved by trump by Pitt64 · · Score: 1

    something like the gold standard

    1. Re:Has this been approved by trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure it has. But it was approved by Obama first
      http://theweek.com/articles/678038/facial-recognition-governments-new-weapon

      "I take no pleasure in saying this, but we've been warning for the past 8 years that the Orwellian surveillance programs instituted under the Obama administration could fall into the hands of someone that people may trust less," said Kade Crockford, the director of the ACLU of Massachusetts' Technology For Liberty program. "We now find ourselves in exactly that situation."

    2. Re:Has this been approved by trump by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      Sure it has. But it was approved by Obama first http://theweek.com/articles/678038/facial-recognition-governments-new-weapon

      "I take no pleasure in saying this, but we've been warning for the past 8 years that the Orwellian surveillance programs instituted under the Obama administration could fall into the hands of someone that people may trust less," said Kade Crockford, the director of the ACLU of Massachusetts' Technology For Liberty program. "We now find ourselves in exactly that situation."

      It actually started under Bush, after 9/11. But that doesn't matter. Neither party cares enough about the rights of citizens.

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      "What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
  17. Jeenyus Markitears by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Wreck a Nation

  18. Thought so by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "the system was tested by tracking its own officers"

    There's your mistake right there.
    The cops didn't like that the system saw that they spend half their day in the doughnut-shop. Small wonder.

  19. Re: Oh, FUCK YES! Fashion is gonna be CYBERPUNK! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CCTV around the Pentagon didn't work right on 9-11. Just one camera in the parking lot seems to have been on. The other 1000 cameras all popped a fuse that day I guess. That must be why the FBI confiscated and kept secret the Doubletree Hotel video, until someone did a FOIA request for it anyway.

    https://youtu.be/QNfkej6YyeY

    Yeah, all the cameras will keep us safe and secure, fake news says so. Sure, buddy, and heil Hitlary!

  20. Bet they kept the data... by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

    The authorized cameras are then streaming the data [...] we are a subscriber to the stream, we analyze the video in real time, search against the collection of faces that they have

    So to do that, they had to capture ALL the faces in ALL the streams...which presumably are now sitting in the database

    1. Re:Bet they kept the data... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what is concerning! The Government has captured data and turned it over to a PRIVATE corporation who essentially has no limits on retaining, reusing, or distributing the data which is unique to nearly every individual.

      To minimize data retention and misuse, the comparison needs to be done extremely close to the capture both physically and in time and any non-matches discarded without possibility of recovery. Hence, the system could only be used to try to find or track individuals that have already been identified...and that should be with a court order.

  21. meanwhile... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Amazon made off like bandits with the data they did get to collect....

  22. 98% False Positive by Oxygen99 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if it was as successful as this.

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    I had a dream, bright and carefree, but now there's doubt and gravity
    1. Re:98% False Positive by keithdowsett · · Score: 1

      I'm more worried about this:

      https://www.thetimes.co.uk/art...

  23. ACLU gives SPLC a run for their money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both organizations need a dose of STFU and need to start acting like responsible legal firms.

    1. Re:ACLU gives SPLC a run for their money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Both organizations need a dose of STFU and need to start acting like responsible legal firms.

      What's the matter? The SPLC designate your "alt-right" group a hate group?

    2. Re: ACLU gives SPLC a run for their money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      SPLC designates anyone who isn't leftist a hate group. They are actively campaigning for genocide against southern cultures.

    3. Re: ACLU gives SPLC a run for their money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a Southerner, who has even worked in a Civil War museum, hate is not a culture. To quote the horribly racist KKK gubernatorial candidate from O Brother Where Art Thou? (and in an incredibly fitting completely opposite meaning of his): "That's not my culture and heritage".

    4. Re: ACLU gives SPLC a run for their money by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Southerner born and bred here.

      Remembering the "White Only" and "Colored Only" signs everywhere when he was a kid...

      Not at all wishing to return to those days...

      Suspecting that's what you mean by "southern cultures"...

      Inviting you to KGFY.

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    5. Re: ACLU gives SPLC a run for their money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Southerner born and bred here.

      Remembering the "White Only" and "Colored Only" signs everywhere when he was a kid...

      Not at all wishing to return to those days...

      Suspecting that's what you mean by "southern cultures"...

      Inviting you to KGFY.

      Northerner born and bred here. For background I have lived in the South a few decades of my life, sister married a nice guy from Alabama, and I try to give anybody a chance. It's up to them to prove their worthiness of friendship or not, and if there's one thing I've learned in life it's that you get all types in all stripes.

      Depending on the definition of "southern culture" I can see preserving it or extinguishing it both as good things. The plantation aristocracy and slavery? Bye bye. The warm hospitality and lazy pace of life? Yes please. It's a shame that the good parts of "southern culture" left over after stripping out the bad end up feeling fake and saccharine, like a Disney parody of itself. But, I suppose, if you try and clean up any regional culture you end up needing to hide the bad parts they had. It's pretty universal how bad humanity treats one another almost everywhere.

  24. "Rekognition" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rekognition - has a nice sounding Soviet ring to it.

    1. Re:"Rekognition" by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      In Soviet America, TV watches--oh forget it, not even funny anymore.

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  25. What about the police? by gillbates · · Score: 1

    What happens when criminals build their own facial recognition software to identify the police?

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    1. Re:What about the police? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Their houses get SWATted?

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  26. Because they're useful to others by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > If you're worried about oppression the solution is to start taking power away from people. And that means money. A ruling class uses oppression to keep a disproportionate amount of wealth for themselves.

    The problem is that to take away this power, you'll need to invest power into the government. This power will then be abused, as it has been every other time someone has blindly followed this suggestion. Why else do so many experiments promising "Socialism" end up as dictatorships?

    > Real freedom comes when we've guaranteed everyone's access to food, shelter, healthcare, education & transportation (the latter being needed to access the former).

    Who works to provide those things in your view? You do realize that these things don't materialize out of thin air, right? Yes, yes, I know, everyone will altruistically work for free because they want to. I know I'd love to slave away in that factor I worked at if not for money.

    I'm sorry but we have lots of real world data showing your idealism fails. It has failed repeatedly and some of us aren't gullible enough to keep trying it. You'll just bait and switch us again. Let's try Socialism! Oh, look it failed. It wasn't REAL Socialism, let's try Socialism again!

    1. Re:Because they're useful to others by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

      The problem is that to take away this power, you'll need to invest power into the government. This power will then be abused, as it has been every other time someone has blindly followed this suggestion. Why else do so many experiments promising "Socialism" end up as dictatorships?

      Isn't the company you work for, or run, a dictatorship? It sure ain't a democracy. The power you don't invest in government will be picked up by someone else. That someone else will likely be answerable only to those with more power. That's not you.

      The whole reason we have a democratic government is because if we didn't we would have warlords or strongmen. It's really either-or, in a complex society. Government is at least answerable to the people, if the people get organized. Corporations and gangs are not. You either have everyone participating in government, or you have might-makes-right. Is government perfect? Hell no! You need people who want it to work. But that's the case with every system.

      You will either be ruled by a government, or you will be ruled by the guy with the most money or the most guns. With government, at least you can vote and lobby to make change. They guys with money or guns don't care what you think and don't have to.

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    2. Re:Because they're useful to others by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      The problem is that to take away this power, you'll need to invest power into the government. This power will then be abused, as it has been every other time someone has blindly followed this suggestion. Why else do so many experiments promising "Socialism" end up as dictatorships?

      Isn't the company you work for, or run, a dictatorship? It sure ain't a democracy.

      Most companies that aren't sole proprietorship are operated by a board of officials, who vote on the future actions of the company. So actually, most corporations are technically democracies, albeit limited ones.

      The whole reason we have a democratic government

      If you're talking about the USA, we don't actually have that; what we have is a constitutional republic, in which representatives are elected through a (mostly) democratic process. Fortunately, our Founders saw the problems that Greece and Rome endured due to the potential ills of pure democracy, and thus avoided the tyranny of the majority by very specifically not making the US a democracy.

      Government is at least answerable to the people, if the people get organized. Corporations and gangs are not.

      In theory. Practice seems to be a bit off.

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  27. Re:Says the anonymous coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The cameras are only secondary now. They've put into place a fiber optic based network of photon emitters in commercial establishments and at intersections. Pass thru the intersection, and they're able to track you within about one foot for about 20 minutes.

    So, with facial they get your identity, and with photons (quantum entangled type) - they get to see where you're going afterwards.

    Only communities with fiber optics at last mile are subject to this now, but it's coming "uber alles" soon.

  28. Because that's libertarian whackjobbery by Uberbah · · Score: 1

    The problem is that to take away this power, you'll need to invest power into the government. This power will then be abused, as it has been every other time someone has blindly followed this suggestion.

    As much as you'll start raping your secretary and ordering mob hits on your rivals the second you start your own business, sure. One is as inevitable as the other.

    Why else do so many experiments promising "Socialism" end having their democracies overthrown by the CIA?

    FTFY

  29. the system was tested by tracking its own by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but no indication of how many crimes it detected or prevented.

  30. cayenne8 is off on a dirty weekend with roman_mir by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    How else can 1% of the population claim 50-90% of the wealth and get away with it?

    1) They deserve it, because they're better than you. I mean if they weren't better than you then they wouldn't be richer, would they?
    2) It's ${Deity}'s will.
    3) Any attempt to change that will inevitably turn the country into Venezuela with socialized medicine, death panels, and compulsory gay marriage. In a matter of hours.
    4) Various combinations of the above.

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