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Instagram Is Estimated To Be Worth More Than $100 Billion (bloomberg.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Bloomberg: Facebook's Instagram is estimated to be worth more than $100 billion, if it were a stand-alone company, marking a 100-fold return for the app purchased in 2012, according to data compiled by Bloomberg Intelligence. The photo-sharing platform, which reached 1 billion monthly active users earlier this month, will likely help nudge Instagram revenue past $10 billion over the next 12 months, Bloomberg Intelligence analyst Jitendra Waral wrote in a report Monday. Instagram is attracting new users faster than Facebook's main site and is on track to exceed 2 billion users within the next five years, Waral said. While the social network already has surpassed that milestone, Instagram's audience is younger than its parent, making it more attractive to advertisers. And unlike Facebook, Instagram is still growing in the U.S.

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  1. Bubblegram reaches 100 billion chucky tokens by xack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Been there seen that. We just had the cryptocrash and now we are looking for a new breed of tulip to plant.

    1. Re:Bubblegram reaches 100 billion chucky tokens by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      Been there seen that. We just had the cryptocrash and now we are looking for a new breed of tulip to plant.

      I wouldn't call crypto a tulip scenario; when the bubble burst on bitcoin it lost 2/3rds of it's value but was still many times more valuable than where it had been a year before that... it's a long slow decline with some ups for bitcoin now.

      I wouldn't call Instagram to be a tulip scenario either as their is no hype to invest in it,etc. "e products" are very volatile though, and Instagram could easily be worth half or less their value in a year... that's the way services like that go. Not that I expect them to nosedive. They'll probably be viable for a while longer.

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    2. Re: Bubblegram reaches 100 billion chucky tokens by reanjr · · Score: 2

      People think Bitcoin is like tulips. They are right.

      People think there was a bubble in Dutch tulips. They are mistaken. There was a bubble in tulip FUTURES.

      Futures are like the CDOs and other derivative instruments that brought about the 2008 financial collapse.

      Tulip futures bubbled for a season. Bitcoin has been rising for a decade.

      You are a low information voter, too, I bet...

    3. Re:Bubblegram reaches 100 billion chucky tokens by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      You might be a bit optimistic on Instagram profit. I couldn't find any actual numbers but social media companies don't seem to have quite the profit margins you'd think they should. They love to talk about revenue though.

      The bigger problem: P/E of 30 isn't so bad for a rapidly growing company with lots of potential. But what about a company who's users already comprise a large fraction of the population of the planet? How much can Instagram actually grow? And if it does manage to double it's profits, is 15-20 years for breakeven (of a social media company) reasonable?

    4. Re:Bubblegram reaches 100 billion chucky tokens by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      I don't see any point or purpose for Instagram. If I want to share photos, I have my web server or Smugmug. Photo editing? GIMP or other tools. Need an app? There are commercial ones for a few bucks which respect privacy.

      I understand it is doing well, but what can Instagram do that other things cannot, other than slurp your data for resale in bulk, which is not something I consider a "feature" for me.

    5. Re:Bubblegram reaches 100 billion chucky tokens by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

      I don't see any point or purpose for Instagram. If I want to share photos, I have my web server or Smugmug. Photo editing? GIMP or other tools. Need an app? There are commercial ones for a few bucks which respect privacy.

      I understand it is doing well, but what can Instagram do that other things cannot, other than slurp your data for resale in bulk, which is not something I consider a "feature" for me.

      Well I wouldn't create an account with Instagram for the pure reason that it is owned by Facebook and I refuse to touch anything Facebook.

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  2. A better way to look at valuation by Dzimas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Boeing went out of business tomorrow, there would be a global aircraft shortage. If Instagram unplugged its servers, the world would continue unaffected.

    1. Re:A better way to look at valuation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Airbus couldn't ramp up production fast enough to prevent manufacturing shortages in the short to medium term. Worse, there would be no competition to push innovation and force competitive pricing.

    2. Re:A better way to look at valuation by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Funny

      A billion food bloggers and selfie-takers just felt a disturbance in the force....

    3. Re:A better way to look at valuation by sinij · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The value of the company like Instagram is what they know about you, not what they do.

      Instagram knows about you a lot more than Boeing, and if Instagram went bankrupt A LOT of data would be sold to the highest bidder. Consequences of such data release would be unpredictable.

    4. Re:A better way to look at valuation by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The part of Instagram that is its value, is the number of young customers on its site, who are the future economic drivers.

      Lets say Exon Mobile went out of business tomorrow, Millions if not Billions of people will be affected as they have the immediate need for fuel, and Exon Mobile is a major producer the loss of the company would cause a short term set of problems until competitors can ramp up to meet demand.

      Now if Solar City went out of business that would probably drive down Solar Power Adoption, but will not cause any major problems. Those with Solar Panels will still work, those without can continue on with their lives. However its loss would slowly affect the future. Without Adoption of Affordable Clean Energy solutions we will be increasing pollution, which will cause other economic factors.

      Instagram is how young people communicate, Facebook is how us older people communicate. Killing Instagram today, could mean today's kids when they get into the market and want to communicate with business contacts will probably be split up across many competing services.

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    5. Re:A better way to look at valuation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I work in IT, and it feels like there is a dot com bubble happening with valuations becoming ludicrously high, like amazons' 266+PE, NFLX PE 239. google fb, msft 27-30 PE.

      And whle sectors of highly technical manufacturing, MAGIC level manufacturing, is rolling in sub 8 PE land.

    6. Re:A better way to look at valuation by hjf · · Score: 2

      Sooooo Boeing doesn't bleed tax money?

    7. Re:A better way to look at valuation by eepok · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Instagram is how young people communicate, Facebook is how us older people communicate. Killing Instagram today, could mean today's kids when they get into the market and want to communicate with business contacts will probably be split up across many competing services.

      Let's not over-inflate Instagram or Facebook as general "communication". It's how people chat about less-important things. Yes, some conversations have significant value, but neither platform is built to facilitate thoughtful conversation and thus it doesn't happen to the extent people like to think it does.

      If Facebook and Instagram were to die, people would find another place to chat. Communication would continue on, unabated, via email, phone, forums, in-person conversation, and the like.

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  4. Re: Instagram is estimated to be worth something? by reanjr · · Score: 2

    They are susceptible to advertisers who convinced them ads are valuable.

    Between marketeers, investors, and corporate customers, there's a whole lot of mass delusion going on in the ad space. Frankly, I think it's a sign that corporations are making too much profit, and their leadership is too incompetent to know where to re-invest, so they just dump it into marketing.

  5. No it's not by nagora · · Score: 2

    No one would ever make $100Bn back on Instagram because it would be obsolete before you could ever make enough cash from selling the users' data.

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  6. Re:Is that is true by afidel · · Score: 2

    The valuation is in line with the 29x current earnings of Facebook. Take the same 27% net profit margin and multiply by the revenue and multiply by 29 and you get $78.3B, a 13% premium for a company with a faster growth rate and better underlying fundamentals (younger audience in this case) is pretty small.

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  7. Sigh. by ledow · · Score: 2

    "will likely help nudge Instagram revenue past $10 billion over the next 12 months... and is on track to exceed 2 billion users within the next five years"

    So you're telling me that you make $5 a user a year? How? Where? Doing what? Who's paying that? Why are they paying that? What are they getting back for that $5?

    Advertisers really are a special kind of insane.

  8. Estimated by who? by aglider · · Score: 2

    Estimated accordingly to which values?

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  9. Re:Instagram is estimated to be worth something? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 2

    Or, each user is worth $4/month over a 2 year period. That's not a bad price, when you consider advertising rates...

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  10. How is this possible? by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 2

    I haven't used the iOS app in some time, but the Android app is a total and utter piece of crap. The people responsible for programming it are about as credible as this estimated valuation.

    Yesterday I tried creating a post, and the text wouldn't populate. The image would appear, but no text. Couldn't reply to people either. Yes, it was the latest version. Is this how a $100 billion app is supposed to function?

    It's plagued with problems like this, plus so much more is wrong with it - from unreliable and seemingly random notifications to the non-chronological timeline, to inane interaction 'rules' (like how for the longest time to reply to someone you pretty much had to type out their handle - this is finally better at least). The people programming and designing this are being rewarded for just about the worst-functioning app out there. What a world.

  11. Re: Instagram is estimated to be worth something? by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2

    The true brilliance of marketing. All that psychological manipulation isn't actually to convince consumers to buy stuff, it's to convince business that you can convince consumers to buy stuff.

  12. Headline written by financial incompetents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Instagram is not "worth" $100B. Here's how non-public valuations work (i.e., private companies or business units of public companies that aren't subjected to a stand-alone market trading test): analysts arbitrarily make them up based on what they THINK could POTENTIALLY happen. Especially in tech, rampant lying and fairy tale projections drastically impact the valuations.

    Some generally accepted classic valuation methods would be 2-3x revenues or 3-5x EBITDA. Is Instagram producing $33B in annual revenues? Is it netting $20B in profit?

    Even stand-alone public securities can be wildly over-inflated by the market's trade valuation (market capitalization) because of phony financial wizardry by the Fed.

    This is all Wall Street / Silicon Valley BS

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