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Bill To Save Net Neutrality Is 46 Votes Short In US House (arstechnica.com)
Congressional Democrats seeking to reinstate net neutrality rules are still 46 votes short of getting the measure through the House of Representatives. Ars Technica reports: The U.S. Senate voted last month to reverse the Federal Communications Commission's repeal of net neutrality rules, with all members of the Democratic caucus and three Republicans voting in favor of net neutrality. A discharge petition needs 218 signatures to force a House vote on the same net neutrality bill, and 218 votes would also be enough to pass the measure. So far, the petition has signatures from 172 representatives, all Democrats. That number hasn't changed in two weeks. The outlook looks grim as Republicans have a 235-193 majority in the House. If you're curious to see which representatives haven't signed the petition, you can view this page maintained by net neutrality group Fight for the Future.
Let the people decide. I doubt they'll believe Trump promises again.
... that not even all the Democrats want in on it...
Should have called it the "AI and Driverless Car Advancement Bill."
Defend it or loose it. That's the game.
When the vote for Net Neutrality comes get ready for the sock puppet silly flying monkey circus. The game will play out like this:
1. Create a compelling distraction a week or two before the NN vote
2. Ensure it is big news
3. make the news even bigger
4. sell the drama
5. make the disaster or kim kardashian's ass an imminent national security threat
6. whip the electorate into a frenzy, a snowstorm of outraged snowflakes looking to feel powerless, morally superior and useless
7. When everyone looks at the shiny ass, quietly defeat NN
8. Examine Kim's ass more closely
9. Politician on both sides high five each other at fucking over the electorate....again
Unless this issue is focused on until the vote your NN is fucked.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Why the rush to save the federal wireline monopoly telco networks?
The same federal rules that protected paper insulated wireline monopoly networks?
Think of the innovative new networks that could be used in cities and states with less federal NN rules.
What is this? I know slashdot has slipped, but this is crazy. You and others posting in this thread are ill-informed as to the purpose of net neutrality. I can only assume that you are paid to post this incorrect garbage.
Slashdot is dead. I'm out.
And are being used as a tool by Silicon Valley elites.
Election time, Republican strategists think voters punish a divided party, and they all fear Trump name calling, so they're all towing the Trump line.
Trump can do whatever the f*** he wants and they'll have to be his bitch.
Letting ATnT and Verizon screw over their customers while the regulator smirks, is a tiny tiny thing compared to what he's getting away with.
Trump has his summit planned with Putin, *just* before election time, so that will be the big test for their compliance.
When he's withdrawing 'provocative troops' from Europe and cancelling NATO and handing control of half the world to US enemies, Net Neutrality will seem like small potatoes.
Best believe a reckoning is coming. I'm old enough to remember when the Republicans thought they had a "permanent majority" They were swept out thanks to their own overreach.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...
A shift is due, and it's going to be a big one.
You are welcome on my lawn.
AC imagine a city with the ability to pay for their own networks without having to consider federal NN monopoly telco rules.
New gigabit services to the innovative and the nice parts of a city who can pay for such services?
Communities investing in good quality, new networks to make their part of the USA stand out.
No waiting for federal NN rules to approve a new network that has to offer equal speed to "everyone".
With less federal NN complexity, states and networks all over the USA can invest in their own new networks again.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
According to this, the average telecom bribe (or campaign contribution or lobby gift or whatever you want to call it) was about $145,000 for members of the House, slightly more on average for the Republicans who are the party opposing net neutrality. That means the conversion of votes to dollars is 46 votes = $6.8 million. That's how much we're short. I like when votes are listed both number and dollars.
Gerrymandering has just been legalized. The SCOTUS is about to shift even further to the right and for a longer time frame. The only way net neutrality will happen for anyone who currently lives in the US is if they either move to another country or if their state leaves the country. The bill might as well be shredded tonight.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Oh two anti phone company articles right in a row. Suck it!
Can someone tell me how many dollars 46 votes converts to? I can't work with these the American Imperial units.
If you count those as successes, you're profoundly retarded and there's nothing that can be done for you anymore. You're too detached from reality. Sorry!
Trump's overall approval rating has been consistently low compared to other recent presidents. But among Republicans, his approval rating is at 90%.
The Republican party is Trump's bitch.
Trump's approval rating is the same as Obama at the same point in his presidency.
I didn't know Obama also had consistently low approval ratings compared to other recent presidents - thanks for the info!
If you count those as successes, you're profoundly retarded and there's nothing that can be done for you anymore. You're too detached from reality. Sorry!
Yes, I count Trump meeting with Kim Jong-un a success, as does most non-retarded people.
(The excellent economic results didn't hurt, either - something else non-retarded people can appreciate.)
Has there ever been a clearer sign that the general populace truly does not want what the government was pushing here? Even well intentioned controls over the internet will end in tears, and the *34 pages* of regulations we had from the FCC were in no way well-intentioned compared to the heartfelt and simple statements that people give when they say they want net neutrality.
What you were getting was never the Net Neutrality you all wanted, it was corporate internet control dressed in an Edgar style skin-suit pretending to be your dreams answered.
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AC imagine a city with the ability to pay for their own networks without having to consider federal NN monopoly telco rules.
Now imagine an already successful campaign by ALEC and other GOP types to create state-level laws that prevent cities from creating their own networks at all, for the benefit of monopoly telcos.
...as is most any news that helps keep the gov't the H out of yet another corner of our lives. That gov't is best that governs least...
is not relevant, they pass hundreds of bills. Most all die in the US Senate. In the US Senate it takes 60 votes to decide to talk about a bill from the house. Most all bills from the house are never brought to the floor. The 100 senators agree on almost nothing. Heck I can not even recall the last time America even had a budget.
;)
Gotta love it, no budget the government just goes and spends what ever they want. Bad karma for the young, the gravy train will come to an end some time.
Just my 2 cents
Dunno, just a comment about politicians in general and how they fuck the electorate over. insert any policy issue.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Keep in mind that 90% is 90% of a self selected grouping. It's people who self identify as Republican.
So when 60% are proud to be Republican, the sample reflects 60% of the population. 90% of 60% = 54% of all people.
When 10% are proud to be Republican and admit to that for the survey thats 90% approval only among die hard Trump fans. 90% of 10% = 9%.
It's common to see support rise in polls like this, as the sub selection gets narrower and narrower to just the die hard supporters.
If it's good for Google, do you really think you're not getting scroogled?
"Your source does not refute his."
It shows him as the least popular President, way below others.
Slide the slider to the end to see the full ranges, and Trump's *best* day is worse than Jimmy Carters *worst* day! Even worse than Jimmy Carter at his worst day.
Republican Senators up for election, are supposed to align themselves to the least popular President ever, as if its a 'winning' idea. Or they could push back against Trump and align themselves with the majority and have a better chance of winning.
And tell them to make it AN ACTUAL GOD DAMMED LAW!
Trying to force the fcc to do it is stupid. putting it in the hands of someone that changes with the administration is EXTRA STUPID.
But. that's why the democrats want it that way. they want to change those rules on demand when it's their turn again.
Tell them to cram it and make it an actual law!
or you're just a stupid piece of shit. just like them.
That's great; now imagine what will really happen ...
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Votes matter! If you were eligible to vote in 2016 and chose not to, I have even less respect for you than those who Voted for the greedy scumbags in Congress and the Whitehouse.
If you are in favor of net neutrality, please answer:
How is the FTC failing to maintain a competitive environment and user-protections in the market-place, exactly?
Why is the FCC better position to 'own' the Internet for all intents and purposes?
What exactly would be wrong with an Internet Rights amendment to the US Constitution? Or at least clarifying language on the 1st, 4th (and other) amendments, that says you don't become a non-citizen just because you go online.
It's never be easier to deploy and maintain a fast, high-uptime wireless network, for local use, and the kit is pretty good these days for backhaul and high-bandwidth and bandwidth-shaped isp deployment. Considering the market, at least in the US, is at a low barrier to entry and the barrier is getting lower, what are you complaining about exactly? Do you have any idea how expensive, and barrier-to-entry raising common-carrier regulations would be for ISPs across the board? Unless you're too big to fail, then no problem. That's where going doing the FCC path is leading.
The federal courts don't usually weigh in on federal regulations unless there is a direct constitutional question, and I mean *direct*
The idea being it's an area for experts to hash out minutiae, and judges aren't the people who should be deciding acceptable limits for trans fats, or what salmon fishing quotas should be, or how internet traffic should be managed.
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Can't find a link, but I admit I haven't looked that hard.
The truth is, Obama's, "Net Neutrality" included lots of other SJW bullshit. If this bill is simple a reprisal of that, then it deserves to die.
Any bill should only one component...a provision that anyone paying for X bandwidth is entitled to access that bandwidth 24/7, no caps and no restrictions. If a supplier can't accommodate it, then they have to either build out or relabel their offering to reflect the real life bandwidth.
No community outreach bullshit.
No digital divide bullshit.
No anything else.
Nextdoor is a great tool for informing your neighbors that the local US House Rep (in my case, Johnson) is taking $200k+ in 'donations' from the providers to keep their shitty internet connections on. My area has had frequent disconnects and outages...so now Johnson is going to get all the blame for it because he supports a shitty internet.
Just add {In Space!} to anything.
bills are brought up for review every day, some have enough support and some don't. When the measures have enough support a vote can be called. This happens all the time, it's the representative, democratic process we observe. Thousands of bills that are not supported come and go... why doesn't this one go?
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Tennessee is one example.
Michigan Republicans are trying something similar.
It's part of a push by the Koch brothers.
And their effort has been quite successful.
One of the things I feel it is CRITICALLY IMPORTANT for us to remember is that most people who are voicing political points of view that are from yours are not comic book style villains intent on destroying your life. I think this is what the term loyal opposition refers to and it seems to get lost on most of the news broadcasts and forum posts I see lately. I got sucked in and acted like a jerk, for which I am very sorry.
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Seems all people have to do is remember: 1) always vote against Republicans. Anyone else will be better. 2) Vote against Democrats, or at least the ones who support NN.
Result: ISP free market starts to happen.
Conservative policy can actually be a great thing, but it cannot happen when Republicans are in power. So vote them out!
and thankfully that rhetoric has started to cool off.
You haven't read Trump's latest denunciations of his enemies lately, have you?
Apparently he's trying to silence whistleblowers who reveal that his claims are false about ICE, Red Hen, North Korea and even attacking the NFL players again.
It's really telling that you consider children being sold into sex trafficking (over 20,000 little girls) by federal employees at Trump's hand a "success". What kind of a monster are you?
It's not at all unique to Slashdot. In case you've not noticed, over the last year or two, there's been a concerted effort by the telcos and their lackeys to poison the well by claiming that Net Neutrality is something that it's not, pure and simple.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
If you were really in favour of freedom, you'd be in favour of Net Neutrality. All your talk of "federal NN monopoly telco rules" makes it plain that you're nothing more than a sycophant, and anyone with a speck of intelligence ought to be able to see right through you.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
By your reasoning, the Senate is also irrelevant. Or did you forget that *both* houses must pass a bill in order for it to become law?
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
in the hopes that the people in those Gerrymandered districts come to their senses and vote the bums out.
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with a challenger. Figure $1-$2 million each, or around $80 million total. If you were't competing with AT&T & Comcast in a bidding war it's cheap as heck. You can buy off a a House rep for $50k and a Senator for under $200k. It's actually one of the best investments in America, as far as return on investment goes.
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when they controlled the House and Senate, and even then it was a tenuous grasp. During that 2 years they passed Obamacare. They needed every ounce of political capital they had to get pre-existing coverage through.
The problem we have is that Rural voters are disproportionately powerful thanks to our Senate. 1 voter in Montana has 42 times as much representation as a voter in California. This is by design. The people who wrote our constitution were wealthy landowners living in rural areas. They wanted more power for themselves. Later as voting rights expanded those same people leveraged the differences between rural and city voters to maintain their grip on power.
This is how American politics works. Nobody talks about it because everytime you do somebody says "Why should rural voters get told what to do by city folk". Hillary took a lot of flak for saying out loud that the majority of economic activity originates from cities and also suggesting that we should have a proper democracy with even representation. Folks like to point out the rural voters grow our food and ignore the fact that it's the chemists in the cities that make it so that we can actually grow all that food and the business folks who maintain the logistical infrastructure that gets it to market.
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But they look to be able to undo more of what Obama and Democrats did in their 2 years
Obamacare was gutted
NN may very well be too
Trump's even stirring up NAFTA and trade with China
Trump's even done (ok, claim credit if you want to be harsh) stuff relating to North Korea, backing out climate change agreements, backing out the Iran deal, and building a space force!