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128TB SD Cards Are Coming (theverge.com)
A new card specification has been announced by the SD Association that should let you store your entire media collection on one SD card. Technically speaking, the new card specification should increase maximum storage on SD cards to 128 terabytes with faster transfer speeds of 985 megabytes per second. The Verge reports: Right now the maximum storage space on an SD card is 2TB, and that limit was promised as far back as 2009, but still hasn't been reached. In 2016, SanDisk unveiled a prototype 1 terabyte SD card that would make it the biggest in the world, but it's still not available to purchase. At the time, SanDisk said that the advancement was necessary to match ever-increasing data-heavy formats like 4K video and VR. However, creating SD cards with massive amounts of storage is cost-prohibitive. SanDisk's 512GB SD card used to cost $800, and though it's dropped in price, is still priced around $300.
If I read the summary correctly, we are far from having even a dozen terrabyte on a SD. Title is badly chosen.
Going to be a long while before we can get even close to the SD form factor holding 128 TB
I would just like to see prices fall on SSDs to the same level as regular hard drives. SSDs are still kind of expensive.
When you'll probably have to sell your house to afford one.
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That's like saying with 64-bit computers we'd get 16 exabyte (that's 2^32 * 4GB) of RAM. Sure there's addressing space but it won't happen now and quite possibly never. It's probably good to keep the spec a bit in front of what's realistic though.
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Go choke on a bucket of dicks like Trump will when he's finally sent to jail.
Hopefully you'll hang yourself in an adjacent cell.
128 x 1 TB upper limit is too small and can be reached soon this limit.
I recommend to increase the new upper limit to
65536 x 1 TB or 1024 x 1024 x 1 TB
And i've a new question, what kind of filesystem will use this new storage device? FAT32? NTFS? ext4?
brtfs?
Why? Then I won't be able to wank to Trump being raped in prison and your hilariously small microdick that barely gets hard which is why your wife gets fucked by Tyrone while he wears your MAGA hat.
is like a day and a half :(
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Spam is not welcome on Slashdot, regardless of the political views of the spammer. Begone.
But we might have to wait some billions of years before it does..
Since we are talking about stuff that isn't really close to being real yet...
Quantum SD cards will carry up to 10 copies of your entire virtual self and will siphon power from the heat of your pocket to run simulations of your future in the background without the card even being in your holograph drive.
You must be new here.
are there any adapters for stacking multiple micro sdcards together? i have seen some sata ssd versions where you plug in micro sd cards but nothing that would fit in digital cameras or the like
Depends on compression and bitrate.
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So 128 TB at 985 MB/sec. Round that up to 1 GB/sec and you're still talking 128,000 seconds to read (or write, if the speeds are the same) a full device. Almost 38 hours. I hope you're patient.
While his whities might be tight (overflowing really) his tush is certainly flacid, some are calling it pustulent. But there are guys who like that.
Cool story, bro.
Got it three months ago and it's so big that my phone is like all getting confused and messing things up.
...spec, it's because you are on a real, professional, serious project that has the budget to pay for it. In other words, no hobbyists.
Older Dell laptops like the Latitudes can accept an SD card so that it doesn't stick out, but newer laptops, including Apples, they stick out about a 1/3 of the size of the card so they constantly get damaged and/or damage the slot. How about making damn cards that fit before changing standards to support cards that don't exist yet?
If I shoot one picture a minute 365/24, it will take me just under thirteen years to fill up one of these cards. Now that's what I would call a photo trip.
Unfortunately, I would then have to spend 39 years in Lightroom Classic editing this set of pictures. My wife will kill me, especially when she has to sit through the slideshow later.
But has anybody ever needed more than that in one's phone or tablet or camera? Also, even in Android 6 and beyond, even if one formats an SD card as internal memory, there are still certain apps - particularly system apps, that will insist on being on the physical internal storage, and won't touch the SD card. Storage companies are far better off selling Apple, Samsung, et al high density NOR flash ranging from 64GB to 512GB, thereby eliminating any storage issues for devices
Assuming I did my math correctly, 128 TB at 985 Mb/second is 1.5 days to read the entire card (and I'm guessing writing would be slower). That seems awfully slow (or at least should be by the time 128 TB becomes reality).
Why not just go for M.2 2230 instead of SD-cards? SD-card is 24x32mm, so it is actually bigger. And M.2 SSDs can be gotten in reasonably large sizes while being much more reliable (number of writes) compared to an SD-card. SD-cards reach up to 3W and the maximum for the NVMe spec is 7W (while actual SSDs like WD Black are rated at 135 mW), so power consumption is probably not a big factor either (especially considering the SSD will finish 20 times faster and go to idle).
I would prefer it to be 5TB card with lots of redundancy using remaining 123TB, so that data would persist hundreds of years on average. I don't think my family will create more then 5TB of data in our entire lifetime anyway.
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Wonderful. Now make a 1 TB SSD affordable and cut the price fixing crap.
With cards that size, I think I'd prefer to get a card half that size but with built in mirroring to provide extra protections for the data, 'cos that's a lot of data to lose to a corrupt data path or corrupted piece of the memory.
Maybe even built in RAID-5 or something.
Yeah, in 20 years. 128TB will be the maximum addressable memory in the spec. By then, the world will be run by a single raspberry PI running MultiVac.
There's an easy solution to this. Tell your wife that if she wants to see you some more then you need to upgrade to a Nikon D850. That way you will only have space for 1,280,000 still files, it will only take you 2.5 years to shoot, and you'll only be locked in the study with Lightroom for 7.5 years.
Consider it the golden anniversary present for her, ... since you'll actually have time your golden anniversary this way. :)
What an interesting misinterpretation of how moderation on Slashdot works.
If you have mod points, you ARE a moderator. Moderate moderately.
My wife will kill me, especially when she has to sit through the slideshow later.
Nah. You'll still only have four you want to keep.
The original SD cards maxed out at 2 GB. Next, SDHC at 32 GB and later SDXC at 2 TB. The article talks about the next iteration called SDUC. Ah, the joys of mechanically compatible but ever so slightly different standards.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
There's an efficient mod system on /. spam will rather quickly down voted to -1.
If you don't like the spam, browse at some higher level like 1 or 2 (and keep -1 and 0 hidden). /. , but wait a bit for the mod storm to settle down.
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I personally find it absolutely remarkable that /. close to never deletes post. (the Scientology post being the first ever deletion). /.ers, but never deletes content, every voice could be heard if you decide to browse at level -1 or click on "show hidden comments".
There's no actual censorship, only moderation. That bring some content more forward than other, depending on the current zeitgeist anong
It's remarkable and should it kept this way.
Just ignore the troll you don't like. And don't feed them.
Also APK doesn't exist anymore, he was replaced by a swarm of machine learning bots which was trained on his insane rambling and are currently imitating him, troll posting, calling each other ne'er-do-wells with fake names and complaining at each other for the impersonation.
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APK doesn't exist anymore, he was replaced by a swarm of machine learning bots which were trained on his insane rambling (see title !) and are currently imitating => him, troll posting in bold, calling each other ne'er-do-wells with fake names and complaining at each other for the impersonation.
The real APK died some years ago while trying to install his h o s t f i l e e n g i n e on his brainstem pacemaker, because he was persuaded that it was a better defence against his disease than actual medicine.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
The market is full of 512gb memory cards right now, how far away do you think 2TB is?
From whom ?
From asian noname companies on ebay and aliexpress, that sell you a card that will fail horrifically after a couple of weeks of use (or doesn't even actually contain the advertised amount of flash and will corrupt its own data).
From reputable brands that feature all type of wear levelling including passive, uses ECC to recover from corruption, etc ?
Some of the most reputable brands haven't even moved to the 512 GB bandwagon yet.
As density increase (and thus feature size miniaturizes) and as technology moves from SLC -> MLC -> TLC -> etc... data gets less stable and more care should be spent making sure against corruption.
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I've got a magic magnetick-repellant sticker that you can put on your phone, it will both keep the card confusion away and protect you from the evil mind-controlling microwaves. PM me and I'll send my new e-bay coordinates.
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Given that HDDs don't have to resort to pathetic cheats to even be usable. Like wear leveling for lifetime and multi-level cells for value.
Both techniques that HDDs could use too, mind you. If they had a need for it.
But as it stands, achival will always go on proper HDDs that won't die on me after a mere 10,000 writes (or even a 1,000 writes MTBF for the average tri-level SSD).
Thanks for letting us know that some people told us they wrote down how much they wish we had 128TB SD cards
I guess they are aimed at people shooting 8k video. Currently there are some proprietary formats for 8k cameras. Red make some that are SSD based but they only manage about 250MB/sec read speeds so take a while to transfer the footage to the editing machine.
Linus Tech Tips did a video about it recently. You might think 250MB/sec is pretty fast but when you are shooting 8k video every single day it becomes a bit of a bottleneck. And also, it's expensive because it's Red's proprietary format.
This is one of the reasons why 8k has taken so long to arrive. 4k wasn't too much of a demand on existing editing and storage hardware, but 8k60 and especially 8k120 with decent compression ratios need a lot of new tech. Faster storage and processing, new workflows (most editing is done in 1080p or 4k for performance reasons, then rendered from the original 8k files), and of course new cameras.
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A quick check on amazon.co.uk shows that I can get from Amazon themselves 512GB SD cards from SanDisk, Kingston and PNY.
A more thorough check would have made you notice that none of these (nor Samsung) does feature ECC recovery on their *consumer* cards.
If you read the fine print, it's even worse. Even the "endurance" and "action cam" range of consumer product aren't actually recommended for continuous writing (you voided your warranty by putting into a continuously writing device a card that was exactly marketed for that ?!?)
You would need to go to the (much more expensive) *industrial* range of card to actually find ECC and cards that are recommended for continuous writing.
Transcend is currently the only brand I know of that actually provides ECC (and static wear-leveling) even on their *consumer* product range.
These spec have an important impact if you want to use these cards for hosting an OS on a single-board computer (Raspberry Pi), using more intensively the card on your smartphone (not only for "cold" media like old photos), use it on continuously writing devices like dashcam/actioncams/dronecams, as extra storage on a ultra-notebook, etc.
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With the advent of 64bit addressing we are at the dawn of a new age - computers with 16,777,216TB or RAM are coming!
By the way, it's a stretch to call an 11" machine a laptop. Notebook at best.
Except that an 11.6" laptop running Windows or X11/Linux is designed to work well offline, as opposed to a Chromebook that is intended to be tethered to Wi-Fi or used with a subscription to a cellular ISP. I'm waiting for general availability of Crostini, a forthcoming feature of Chrome OS to let it run GNU without first being put in self-destruct mode, before buying my own Chromebook.
It's pretty much perfect for a video library with 99% sequential access, putting it on an SSD doesn't really add any value at all.
Except for convenience to carry around. Many smaller laptops don't have enough internal space for both an NVMe SSD and a SATA HDD. So you'd need a SATA SSD and some sort of external enclosure for your HDD.
They're a convenience slot - you use it to take the card from your camera and copying the photos off it, then putting the card back on it.
I don't see the "convenience" in the operating system holding some file open and thereby not letting the user unmount the card.
You remove said 128TB card from your computer. Being the butter-fingers that you are, you drop it on the floor. While trying to find it, you roll over it with your office chair thus breaking it in half.
Zontar The Mindless you're a crackpot loon w/ proof making sockpuppets to stalk & troll me with https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?
Sending me postcards w/ threats too https://slashdot.org/comments.... ??
Take your meds mentalcase https://slashdot.org/comments.... & You're a druggie too https://slashdot.org/comments....
* You're a butthurt loon freak, plain & simple - you did it to yourself, loser... see below for proof.
APK
P.S.=> Still trying to live down how I shot you to pieces in the art & science of computing Mr. Butthurt https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?
How about proving hosts & my program that builds them are useless too https://slashdot.org/comments.... ? ... apk
I more than just SUSPECT OF ALL OF YOU WHO ARE TRYING TO "censor" my posts on hosts are ADVERTISERS & WEBMASTERS who fear adblocking done by my program (faster/more efficient) & INFERIOR slower usermode bugridden overly complex competitors using "Bolt-on-'MoAr'" ILLOGIC LOGIC leading to their exploitation!
(See Tavis Ormandy on Antivirus security issues proves it & so does DNS redirect poisoning/requestlog tracking/slower resolution vs. hosts locally in RAM cached + AdBlock crippled by DEFAULT 'souled-out' to ADVERTISERS to be so to NOT DO THE 1 JOB IT HAD (doing FAR less vs. HOSTS doing MORE for less resource use))
* Who ELSE would bitch about my FREE more efficient faster solution vs. competitors giving users what they WANT & NEED? See above!
P.S.=> See subject & your alleged work: I've asked of you before - Prove it! Anyone can "talk" a good game so PROVE it & stand behind your words too. FACTS, not BLOWHARD windbag hotair notware!... apk
See subject & you've ALL seen it (you note it in your post no less) for YEARS many times here on /. prove they WISH they were me!
* It's all that is, lol...
(With as VALID a proof of it as it gets!)
APK
P.S.=> It's NOT easy being "World-Class" (like me, lol)... apk
See subject: You constantly harass/stalk/goad me as you did here & you make sockpuppets to do it https://slashdot.org/comments.... & w/ threats of "watch your mailbox" & GOING "POSTAL" like the whacko you are SENDING ME A POSTCARD I told you NOT to do w/ more threats in it!
Take your meds mentalcase https://slashdot.org/comments.... & You're a druggie too https://slashdot.org/comments....
APK
P.S.=> Now you're CRYING "Help me MOMMY" (lol) to Whipslash/Logan Abbott to CENSOR me (as you're powerless vs. me & you KNOW it - guess what?? So is he) - No, I more than just SUSPECT you're INFERIOR competitors OR webmasters & ADVERTISERS in reality https://slashdot.org/comments.... ... apk
Their motive for censoring me via fake name multiple sockpuppets - Zontar The Mindless did stalking me w/ sockpuppets https://slashdot.org/comments....
* They FEAR adblocking hosts do!
+ speedup online my work gives via FASTER local DNS resolution vs. remote dns + security vs. DNS redirects/being down/requestlog tracking!
+ my program does MORE 4 less vs. AV (security issues - Tavis Ormandy) + less moving parts leading to exploit & doing it natively vs "Bolt-on-'MoAr'" ILLOGIC-LOGIC inferior bloat!
+ NOT 'souled-out' to ADVERTISERS crippled by default slow addons!
+ faster & does more no 1 addon itself can 4 less in fast kernelmode cpu time precedence & less messagepass inefficiency in slow usermode layers on browsers SLOWING 'EM MORE!
APK
P.S.=> Why CENSOR me if I give folks more speed/security/reliability & anonymity from 1 single efficient proven 45++ yrs. spot in hosts natively (why would THEY bitch? Users get what they want 4 FREE from me)
Going to make more sockpuppets to stalk & troll me with you loon https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?
Sending me postcards with threats too https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?? Your "watch your mailbox" THREAT & you "going postal" (pun intended) that way w/ MORE 'warnings' from you (wow).
Take your meds mentalcase https://slashdot.org/comments.... & You're a druggie too https://slashdot.org/comments....
* You're a butthurt loon freak, plain & simple - you did it to yourself, loser... see below for proof.
APK
P.S.=> Still trying to live down how I shot you to pieces in the art & science of computing Mr. Butthurt https://slashdot.org/comments.... ?
How about proving hosts & my program that builds them are useless too https://slashdot.org/comments.... ? ... apk
On an SD Card, I don't actually think there's enough physical space to store 128TB of measurable data. I'd like an experimental physicist to check on how many electrons could potentially be indexed and measured inside the plastic housing of an SD Card's space. I mean if we've already hit the limit of Moore's Law because we can't make circuits smaller than electrons, well, we can't really cram more addressable memory into the same space than that...