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128TB SD Cards Are Coming (theverge.com)
A new card specification has been announced by the SD Association that should let you store your entire media collection on one SD card. Technically speaking, the new card specification should increase maximum storage on SD cards to 128 terabytes with faster transfer speeds of 985 megabytes per second. The Verge reports: Right now the maximum storage space on an SD card is 2TB, and that limit was promised as far back as 2009, but still hasn't been reached. In 2016, SanDisk unveiled a prototype 1 terabyte SD card that would make it the biggest in the world, but it's still not available to purchase. At the time, SanDisk said that the advancement was necessary to match ever-increasing data-heavy formats like 4K video and VR. However, creating SD cards with massive amounts of storage is cost-prohibitive. SanDisk's 512GB SD card used to cost $800, and though it's dropped in price, is still priced around $300.
If I read the summary correctly, we are far from having even a dozen terrabyte on a SD. Title is badly chosen.
Going to be a long while before we can get even close to the SD form factor holding 128 TB
I would just like to see prices fall on SSDs to the same level as regular hard drives. SSDs are still kind of expensive.
That's like saying with 64-bit computers we'd get 16 exabyte (that's 2^32 * 4GB) of RAM. Sure there's addressing space but it won't happen now and quite possibly never. It's probably good to keep the spec a bit in front of what's realistic though.
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Tell that to people who shoot in 4k, 4:2:2 16-bit RAW video. If we need that capacity, we can afford it.
"That's a Lot Of Pornography!"
Far out... how many photos are you taking?!
Spam is not welcome on Slashdot, regardless of the political views of the spammer. Begone.
But we might have to wait some billions of years before it does..
Except even they wouldn't need. 8K Red cameras can shoot 8 hours of footage at the 300MB/sec maximum bitrate and only need less than 10 TB of storage to store it all.
See, there's this whole industry dedicated to video production. If you're shooting anything close to professional productions, hell even with prosumer gear today, something like a 64gb sd card is not even worth mentioning. I got 1tb of SD storage over a 512gb and 2x 256gb, and I'm on the market for a recorder/SSD drives setup now. I do run and gun documentary stuff, for the most part, and if I'm out on a shoot in the woods or somewhere remote for a couple of days, 1TB is bare minimum for the whole shoot. Aunt Darlene is probably fine with a 8gb card for the xmas pictures, a professional shoot has other requirements. Release a 12 TB card and I won't care what it costs, it will be paid back the first or second time I use it.
I say this in reference to the 128 TB SD card of course.
Unless you're reading it from a device that doesn't support SD Express. UHS-II and UHS-III will do up to 312MB/s.
On top of that an SD Express card will only do 104MB/s in a UHS-III reader. Your device has to choose between UHS or SD Express, as there are different functions for the extra row of pins. UHS is a proprietary SD protocol, SD Express has a PCIe 3.0 x1 link.
Now you're looking at 380 hours to read/write your card.
The same thing has happened with hard drives too. The disk-to-head speeds in most drives are still around 150MB/s, yet capacity increases all the time.
Seagate's 12TB drive has a max speed of 250MB/s, or 16 hours. But that's only the speed on the outer edge of the platter. It slows down as you get to the inside.
I say this in reference to the 128 TB SD card of course.
And talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. 128 TB is a lot of data to lose at one time.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Got it three months ago and it's so big that my phone is like all getting confused and messing things up.
The interface will be up to 985MB/s
You'll never find that in real products though, as they'll be limited to a single flash chip, so no parallel access to increase speed like regular SSD's.
The cards are also limited to 1.8W of power too, to run a PCIe 3.0 interface, the NVMe controller and the flash chip. Good luck.
If you put multiple microSD cards in a SD card slot, you'd probably exceed the power capability of the device.
Older Dell laptops like the Latitudes can accept an SD card so that it doesn't stick out, but newer laptops, including Apples, they stick out about a 1/3 of the size of the card so they constantly get damaged and/or damage the slot. How about making damn cards that fit before changing standards to support cards that don't exist yet?
If I shoot one picture a minute 365/24, it will take me just under thirteen years to fill up one of these cards. Now that's what I would call a photo trip.
Unfortunately, I would then have to spend 39 years in Lightroom Classic editing this set of pictures. My wife will kill me, especially when she has to sit through the slideshow later.
But has anybody ever needed more than that in one's phone or tablet or camera? Also, even in Android 6 and beyond, even if one formats an SD card as internal memory, there are still certain apps - particularly system apps, that will insist on being on the physical internal storage, and won't touch the SD card. Storage companies are far better off selling Apple, Samsung, et al high density NOR flash ranging from 64GB to 512GB, thereby eliminating any storage issues for devices
Assuming I did my math correctly, 128 TB at 985 Mb/second is 1.5 days to read the entire card (and I'm guessing writing would be slower). That seems awfully slow (or at least should be by the time 128 TB becomes reality).
I have mixed feelings about this. I'd be happy for a lot of the AC spam to go away. We don't need hosts file crap, harassment of creimer, or anything like that. But there are legitimate reasons to post AC. There are also some people who feel more comfortable not logging in because of the degree to which we're tracked everywhere we go.
I work in meteorology and some of my work involves working with climate data. There are some controversial issues involved and these are small fields. If I say things that are critical and it can be traced back to me, it can have significant consequences on my career. I'll give you an example from my own experience. I'm posting this AC, but I wouldn't dare say this if I thought it could be traced back to me.
I work with climate data sets. I'm trying to get some closed source software from researchers housed at a particular university. The software is a collection of tools that we'll use for processing climate data sets. The specific tools I want to use documented in a paper that acknowledges federal funding sources like NSF in the completion of the work, though funding for other tools may have come from other sources. They've been very willing to let us use those tools in the past, but this time we're running into a bunch of red tape involving the licensing of the software that's largely been developed with public sector funds. I know I'm not the only person running into these issues.
It's important for scientific research to be verified and reproduced to the fullest extent that its possible. When dealing with climate data, any perceived lack of transparency is used to cast aspersions on the researchers and their findings. I absolutely don't believe the scientists at this university are engaging in research misconduct. However, global warming deniers will latch onto anything that has even a slight appearance that researchers are covering things up and not being transparent. It's potentially damaging to the reputation of the scientists in my field; just look how the East Anglia "Climategate" emails have been (ab)used to discredit researchers. I believe the red tape and licensing issues is for the purpose of impeding other researchers and giving them a competitive advantage in obtaining funding. This university does good research, but their licensing practices are very harmful to other researchers and to the field.
I believe that software developed with federal funds should be open source, if nothing else to ensure the reproducibility of the research. Organizations like NOAA already require that data sets collected with their funds be released to the public within two years of the collection of the data. I've thought about posting this many times in discussions about academia, software licensing, and climate discussions. I don't dare post this with an account because I don't want this hurting my career. I'm hesitant to even name the university involved, lest anyone there who is familiar with my situation can guess who I am and hold it against me in blind peer review of journal papers or funding proposals.
Stuff like this is why AC posting is still useful. I'm sure I'm not the only person encountering this type of red tape, and a comment like this would be on-topic in quite a few discussions on this site (although not this one). However, because there aren't that many researchers in my field, I don't dare say this where it can be traced back to me.
Why not just go for M.2 2230 instead of SD-cards? SD-card is 24x32mm, so it is actually bigger. And M.2 SSDs can be gotten in reasonably large sizes while being much more reliable (number of writes) compared to an SD-card. SD-cards reach up to 3W and the maximum for the NVMe spec is 7W (while actual SSDs like WD Black are rated at 135 mW), so power consumption is probably not a big factor either (especially considering the SSD will finish 20 times faster and go to idle).
I would prefer it to be 5TB card with lots of redundancy using remaining 123TB, so that data would persist hundreds of years on average. I don't think my family will create more then 5TB of data in our entire lifetime anyway.
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Wonderful. Now make a 1 TB SSD affordable and cut the price fixing crap.
Yeah, in 20 years. 128TB will be the maximum addressable memory in the spec. By then, the world will be run by a single raspberry PI running MultiVac.
There's an easy solution to this. Tell your wife that if she wants to see you some more then you need to upgrade to a Nikon D850. That way you will only have space for 1,280,000 still files, it will only take you 2.5 years to shoot, and you'll only be locked in the study with Lightroom for 7.5 years.
Consider it the golden anniversary present for her, ... since you'll actually have time your golden anniversary this way. :)
What an interesting misinterpretation of how moderation on Slashdot works.
If you have mod points, you ARE a moderator. Moderate moderately.
Yeah, I shoot video at dance events for fun not profit, and even shoot just 1080p I'm getting between 50 and 80GB a day.
My cameras will do 4K, I just have nowhere to put it and people want the videos online some time this year.
My wife will kill me, especially when she has to sit through the slideshow later.
Nah. You'll still only have four you want to keep.
There's an efficient mod system on /. spam will rather quickly down voted to -1.
If you don't like the spam, browse at some higher level like 1 or 2 (and keep -1 and 0 hidden). /. , but wait a bit for the mod storm to settle down.
If you're afraid of your eyes getting hurt by some spam, don't jump straight into a new article on the second it's published on
I personally find it absolutely remarkable that /. close to never deletes post. (the Scientology post being the first ever deletion). /.ers, but never deletes content, every voice could be heard if you decide to browse at level -1 or click on "show hidden comments".
There's no actual censorship, only moderation. That bring some content more forward than other, depending on the current zeitgeist anong
It's remarkable and should it kept this way.
Just ignore the troll you don't like. And don't feed them.
Also APK doesn't exist anymore, he was replaced by a swarm of machine learning bots which was trained on his insane rambling and are currently imitating him, troll posting, calling each other ne'er-do-wells with fake names and complaining at each other for the impersonation.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
B-b-b-b-but host files!
APK doesn't exist anymore, he was replaced by a swarm of machine learning bots which were trained on his insane rambling (see title !) and are currently imitating => him, troll posting in bold, calling each other ne'er-do-wells with fake names and complaining at each other for the impersonation.
The real APK died some years ago while trying to install his h o s t f i l e e n g i n e on his brainstem pacemaker, because he was persuaded that it was a better defence against his disease than actual medicine.
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
The market is full of 512gb memory cards right now, how far away do you think 2TB is?
From whom ?
From asian noname companies on ebay and aliexpress, that sell you a card that will fail horrifically after a couple of weeks of use (or doesn't even actually contain the advertised amount of flash and will corrupt its own data).
From reputable brands that feature all type of wear levelling including passive, uses ECC to recover from corruption, etc ?
Some of the most reputable brands haven't even moved to the 512 GB bandwagon yet.
As density increase (and thus feature size miniaturizes) and as technology moves from SLC -> MLC -> TLC -> etc... data gets less stable and more care should be spent making sure against corruption.
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I've got a magic magnetick-repellant sticker that you can put on your phone, it will both keep the card confusion away and protect you from the evil mind-controlling microwaves. PM me and I'll send my new e-bay coordinates.
I can also get you incredible rebates on Monster Cables.
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Seriously, for people being actually victim of the scam about which the above poster jokes : use F3Tools to detect and file a complain and ask a refund with the online shop (ali express, ebay, etc.)
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I guess they are aimed at people shooting 8k video. Currently there are some proprietary formats for 8k cameras. Red make some that are SSD based but they only manage about 250MB/sec read speeds so take a while to transfer the footage to the editing machine.
Linus Tech Tips did a video about it recently. You might think 250MB/sec is pretty fast but when you are shooting 8k video every single day it becomes a bit of a bottleneck. And also, it's expensive because it's Red's proprietary format.
This is one of the reasons why 8k has taken so long to arrive. 4k wasn't too much of a demand on existing editing and storage hardware, but 8k60 and especially 8k120 with decent compression ratios need a lot of new tech. Faster storage and processing, new workflows (most editing is done in 1080p or 4k for performance reasons, then rendered from the original 8k files), and of course new cameras.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Whipslash, please start deleting this spam. It shows up in just about every article and is totally offtopic. This has nothing to do with my political views and everything to do with not liking spam posts. There's just too much offtopic nonsense (Trump/Hillary posts, APK spam, threads attacking creimer, etc...) polluting just about every story. Please consider removing the spam that's showing up in just about every story.
C'mon... This kind of bollocks is practically a /. tradition.
Off topic, inflammatory post meant to stir shit has been commonplace for years. It used to be things like Switcheuers and Lunix, NAMBLA, or what to do with you n****r sort of posts all modded down to -1. Now its Trump/Hillary (Trillary or perhaps Himp).
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
A quick check on amazon.co.uk shows that I can get from Amazon themselves 512GB SD cards from SanDisk, Kingston and PNY.
A more thorough check would have made you notice that none of these (nor Samsung) does feature ECC recovery on their *consumer* cards.
If you read the fine print, it's even worse. Even the "endurance" and "action cam" range of consumer product aren't actually recommended for continuous writing (you voided your warranty by putting into a continuously writing device a card that was exactly marketed for that ?!?)
You would need to go to the (much more expensive) *industrial* range of card to actually find ECC and cards that are recommended for continuous writing.
Transcend is currently the only brand I know of that actually provides ECC (and static wear-leveling) even on their *consumer* product range.
These spec have an important impact if you want to use these cards for hosting an OS on a single-board computer (Raspberry Pi), using more intensively the card on your smartphone (not only for "cold" media like old photos), use it on continuously writing devices like dashcam/actioncams/dronecams, as extra storage on a ultra-notebook, etc.
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With the advent of 64bit addressing we are at the dawn of a new age - computers with 16,777,216TB or RAM are coming!
And this has what to do with 128TB SD cards?
By the way, it's a stretch to call an 11" machine a laptop. Notebook at best.
Except that an 11.6" laptop running Windows or X11/Linux is designed to work well offline, as opposed to a Chromebook that is intended to be tethered to Wi-Fi or used with a subscription to a cellular ISP. I'm waiting for general availability of Crostini, a forthcoming feature of Chrome OS to let it run GNU without first being put in self-destruct mode, before buying my own Chromebook.
It's pretty much perfect for a video library with 99% sequential access, putting it on an SSD doesn't really add any value at all.
Except for convenience to carry around. Many smaller laptops don't have enough internal space for both an NVMe SSD and a SATA HDD. So you'd need a SATA SSD and some sort of external enclosure for your HDD.
They're a convenience slot - you use it to take the card from your camera and copying the photos off it, then putting the card back on it.
I don't see the "convenience" in the operating system holding some file open and thereby not letting the user unmount the card.
You remove said 128TB card from your computer. Being the butter-fingers that you are, you drop it on the floor. While trying to find it, you roll over it with your office chair thus breaking it in half.
I don't have any other accounts on Slashdot than this one. It's come to my attention recently that a couple of people are consistently modding my posts Overrated in the mistaken belief that I am using a sockpuppet to mod myself up. They apparently do not understand that accounts with high Karma post with an automatic bonus. I have had this account for 20 years and have excellent Karma, so I post at 2 by default. (You get more Karma by consistently making posts that other Slashdotters mod up.) So no need for me to have any sockpuppets, even if I were inclined to play those sorts of games, which I'm not. So you dumbasses can stop wasting those Overrated mods now.
APK, nobody is stalking you. The truth of the matter is that you scan stories looking for mentions of "host files", "APK", and other words/phrases which you seem to think are related, then starting spamming them with ads for your POS programme and/or attacks on Slashdotters to whom you've taken a dislike.
I summoned you by posting the magical phrase "host files". And of course you showed up. Everyone can see this is the case. I can't stop you from posting, but I sure as hell can make you show up whenever I feel like it, can't I?
I was not the one who suggested getting rid of ACs; in fact, I just went on record above as being against the idea. Even though this means we'll have to continue to put up with trolls such as yourself.
The only drugs I'm addicted to are caffeine and nicotine. I seldom drink alcohol, and I gave up cannabis or any other sort of chemical intoxicant a long time ago. Most people are capable of changing their behaviour, and so am I.
I have never threatened you with any sort of harm--you and I both know this--and I never will. Rather than attacking me, you should be grateful that I am an ethical being who tried to teach you a lesson that, for your own good, you really need to learn. One of these days, you are going to cross someone who isn't ethical. I will be sorry when this happens, because--unlike you--I do not enjoy the suffering of others. You should modify your behaviour before the consequences catch up with you. And, no, that is not a threat--just an observation.
Many people, including me, have tried to help you see the error of your ways. And in every case, you "thank" them by attacking them. The result is that is you turn people who are trying to be your friends into your enemies, and you deny yourself the chance for any positive change.
You've been doing this for at least the past 20 years or so that I've known you. Don't you think it's about time you tried to do things differently?
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
That is why you buy TWO! The second one being a mirror of the first one.
I say this in reference to the 128 TB SD card of course.
And talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. 128 TB is a lot of data to lose at one time.
That is why you buy TWO! The second one being a mirror of the first one.
Mirroring a 128 TB SD crd, eh? Sounds like fun
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.