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How the EU Copyright Proposal Will Hurt the Web and Wikipedia (wikimedia.org)

Wikimedia, which operates Wikipedia, chimes in on the EU copyright debacle: Our movement is working to promote freedom online for the benefit of all. Our efforts in this public policy realm are all the more important in an era of increasing restrictions on free speech and free access to knowledge across the globe, which directly threaten the mission and vision of Wikimedia and its projects, such as Wikipedia. This is why we strongly oppose the proposed EU Copyright Directives and urge the Members of the European Parliament to reconsider proceeding with the version recently adopted by the Legal Affairs Committee. We are concerned because these flawed proposals hurt everyone's rights to freedom of expression and Europe's ability to improve the welfare of its citizens online. Next week, we expect the European Parliament to vote in plenary on whether to proceed with the version adopted by the Committee. If the Members of the European Parliament reject it, there will be another opportunity to fix much of the current proposal's broken requirements. Now may be the last opportunity to improve the directive.

The requirement for platforms to implement upload filters is a serious threat for freedom of expression and privacy. Our foundational vision depends on the free exchange of knowledge across the entirety of the web, and beyond the boundaries of the Wikimedia projects. A new exclusive right allowing press publishers to restrict the use of news snippets will make it more difficult to access and share information about current events in the world, making it harder for Wikipedia contributors to find citations for articles online. The proposal does not support user rights, is missing strong safeguards for the public domain, and does not create exceptions that would truly empower people to participate in research and culture. We believe that enactment of this copyright package will significantly decrease in the amount of content that will be freely accessible to all across the globe.

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  1. Give Europe what it wants. by Zorro · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Cut Europe off from the Internet.

    THIS is what they really want.
    $15 a Minute phone calls to Italy and only Government approved newspapers.
    Galileo for navigation and no GPS.

    1. Re:Give Europe what it wants. by penandpaper · · Score: 2

      One does not simply refuse the Donald.

    2. Re:Give Europe what it wants. by bobstreo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Cut Europe off from the Internet.

      THIS is what they really want.
      $15 a Minute phone calls to Italy and only Government approved newspapers.
      Galileo for navigation and no GPS.

      Upload filters will never work. Make the countries interested in filtering responsible for filtering, not non-eu websites.

      It's best to not cut them off, but to remove any .eu sites from web search results, then see what happens.

      The Internet generally knows how to route around problems.

    3. Re:Give Europe what it wants. by VeryFluffyBunny · · Score: 2

      We didn't win it alone.

      Absent the USA's help, the USSR may have won.

      The nation that lost the most people was the USSR. They lost ~14% of their population, because they fought the most brutal, relentless part of the war against the Nazi regime.

      All are true.

      There, I fixed that for you so you don't come out sounding like an ignorant asshole.

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    4. Re:Give Europe what it wants. by TimMD909 · · Score: 2

      ... The Internet generally knows how to route around problems.

      As long as Comcast isn't involved, I'm inclined to agree...

    5. Re:Give Europe what it wants. by Cederic · · Score: 3, Funny

      Feels to me he's spot on. Google, Wikipedia, Slashdot should all geoblock the EU if this law goes through. Lets see how long it lasts.

    6. Re:Give Europe what it wants. by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If this EU law passed you think you're safe in the US? The same actors will push for similar laws in other countries and cite the EU law as basis.

    7. Re:Give Europe what it wants. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 3, Informative

      Absent the USA's help, the USSR may have won.

      Might want to find out how much help we gave the USSR.
      Hint: we sent them 10000+ tanks, and more airplanes than tanks. For a start...

      The nation that lost the most people was the USSR. They lost ~14% of their population, because they fought the most brutal, relentless part of the war against the Nazi regime.

      All too true. Which doesn't invalidate the OP's statement that they were allied with the Germans at the beginning of the War. Always remember that when Poland was invaded by Germany from the west, it was also invaded by the Soviets from the East....

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    8. Re:Give Europe what it wants. by dinfinity · · Score: 2

      The real problem is that the EU policy makers just don't understand how technology works. It's not due to malice. It's ignorance.

      On some level, the large majority of the populations anywhere around the world support copyright and support enforcing it. That's why the policy makers can get behind initiatives to 'improve' enforcement. They are, again, simply unable to properly foresee the consequences of what on some level seems like reasonable policy. It obviously doesn't help that they have all kinds of lobbyists trying to influence them.

      A lot of these policy makers are old dudes who can barely use an iPad and think along the lines of 'These tech guys can make a worldwide video platform, so surely they can easily build some simple filtering thing.' If you've ever had to deal with explaining how things that seem simple on the surface are actually really complex or otherwise problematic to any C-level guy, you know how deep the ignorance and lack of realization of that ignorance can run.

  2. EU hurt free speech? by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 3

    Unpossible! We're told time and again it is only the dictatorship that is the USA that can restrict speech and promote hate, and that the anointed in Brussels are only pure and holy and love freedom for all...

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    1. Re:EU hurt free speech? by x0ra · · Score: 2

      from a former European point of view, now exiled in North America, Europe *is* totalitarian.

    2. Re:EU hurt free speech? by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The EU does not want to implement censorship. They want to scare online platforms into doing it for them. Once upload filters are in place, their scope will be increased to include not only copyrighted material but also undesirable opinions (a.k.a. "fake news")

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    3. Re:EU hurt free speech? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      Well yes. The EU can't restrict something we don't have. There's no free speech laws here, that's an almost uniquely American thing.

    4. Re: EU hurt free speech? by reanjr · · Score: 2

      Article 10 of the European Convention on Human Rights guarantees freedom of speech. The guarantees aren't as strong (hate speech is only protected in the U.S. for example), but it's silly to claim freedom of speech laws are only an American thing.

      Other nations you may be surprised to possess free speech laws: Japan, Phillipines, Australia, Canada, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Mexico, ...

  3. Here's the singular issue ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    ... right here:

    ... content that will be FREELY accessible to all across the globe.

    Emphasis mine.

    The content was not generated "freely."

    Sources of information, particularly involving resources such as reporters, information systems, infrastructure, should be fairly compensated for expenses.

    News and other content aggregators are doing little to no work and making money off other's IP.

    We recently had discussions here on /. about copyright law that views this matter from a different perspective.

    Lawrence Lessig Criticizes Proposed 140-Year Copyright Protections

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  4. Re:Brexit, baby by x0ra · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Probably not "communism", the "People" is of no importance *at all*. It's more like a form of textbook fascism.

  5. Six years notice that sources are needed by raymorris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Wikipedia is it considers the cult games Osu! and Kid Pix as not notable and sent its deletionists

    I see that there are Wikipedia articles for both. The Kid Pix article has been up for at least 13 years.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...!

    I also see that for the past SIX YEARS it's been flagged as needing references. Each page has only a single reference, and the Osu page consists of a single sentence.

    If you think these topics are important, important enough that they've been written about, spend 10 minutes on Google to find a few articles and add them as references. It's really not hard.

    If you actually take the 20 minutes to READ the articles, you can then type some information from those sources into the Wikipedia article, so it'll be an article instead of a sentence.

    You've had six years notice, how long do you need in order to spend a few minutes adding a couple links?

  6. Not just control of IP; control of INFORMATION by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You know.. it just dawned on me when I read the name 'Wikipedia' in this headline: All this 'copyright' business isn't just about 'protecting IP' and monetizing everything in sight, it's mainly about controlling access to information, putting it behind access barriers that require money to bypass. This is essentially no different than what the Catholic Church would do in pre-renaissance times: if you were rich, you could learn to read, therefore you had access to education and information, and as we all well know, 'knowledge is power'. Now in the 21st century, which has the Internet, and where most everyone is literate, there is unprecedented access to information and self-education -- and knowledge is still power. While The Rich, Dominionists, and other so-called 'special interest groups' work in the non-digital world to limit access to higher education, all this 'copyright' action going on works to limit access to information and self-education in the digital/Internet world. Nicely played, Rich People, nicely played. That's the real reason why this needs to be fought against.

    1. Re:Not just control of IP; control of INFORMATION by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      The "dark ages" are called like that because we lack written information/history about them.
      There was nothing particular "dark" during the migration times.

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  7. Re:Brexit, baby by Cinnamon+Beige · · Score: 2

    Probably not "communism", the "People" is of no importance *at all*. It's more like a form of textbook fascism.

    Historically speaking, communism and fascism are forks of a GUI for a totalitarian operating system. Bringing this up tends to get both pissed off, which is part of why both are in (hilarious) agreement about glossing over the early history of fascism and its political roots, which is sad because a lot of historical irony is involved. (The main reason the fascists snagged support from the conservatives was more than anything else because the fascists rejected the idea that class warfare was necessary; it doesn't really look like anybody was particularly expecting capitalism to survive to the 21st century.)

  8. Re:Wikipedia needs to be hurt by ilsaloving · · Score: 2

    You're focusing on the trees and ignoring not just the forest, but the entire Amazon Basin.

    How Wikipedia handles things is completely irrelevant to the situation. This legislation affects literally everybody, possibly even outside the EU depending on how far they try to wave their reproductive pseudopod.

    It's a shockingly stupid piece of legislation that in one move can easily make it not worth the effort to run *any* service *at all*. ESPECIALLY if that might even vaguely involve interacting with the public, cause you'll risk liability for anything any user does.

    It is overwhelmingly cost prohibitive, puts too much burden on the service providers, and destroys free speech. With legislation like that, you may as well not even bother having the internet at all.

  9. Re:Brexit, baby by Immerman · · Score: 2

    I agree that fascism has often prospered under a banner of communism - but can you cite even one instance of a nation that was actually even remotely communist, rather than just using the name as a convenient mask?

    Remember, one of the key tenets of communism is that the workers own the means of production, and that is wholly incompatible with the government owning said means, unless you can make a strong case that the workers truly own the government.

    Personally, I can think of only a small handful of countries (Iceland comes to mind) that could make an even remotely plausible claim to having a government truly owned by the workers. Certainly China, Russia, the United States, etc. could not.

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  10. Re:Brexit, baby by x0ra · · Score: 2

    USSR, China, Cambodia, North Korea, Cuba, Chile. The "not true communist" argument is an utter lie. All these nations have been as "communist" as can be.

  11. Pathetic americans by lucasnate1 · · Score: 2

    Your copyright law and patents are still much worse than Europe's.